QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 6 2010, 10:47 AM)
for those who blame 'net hoggers' for the state of the internet service, i just want to tell you all that stop is the be smart. When TMNut. Celcom.Digi.Umobile.P1 etc sale market a a 4MB download broadband product, 100% customers who pay for the services should get maximum 4MB download for everything, 24x7 p0rn download included. the problem is not the 'net hoggers' when some users dont get 4MB as they pay for, its the service providers and the policy makers that they pay in the parliament to turn a blind eye on this. So dont be stupid by blaming other internet users. Your money do not go to them. you money go to the bank account of the service providers. Get them and again dont be stupid by blaming other users.
I think you are also living in your own dream world. You're not referring to a pipe dream, you're referring to an utopia dream world where resources are infinite. Yes, telco advertisements have a lot of lies. I agree with you on that. But to draw a parallel, they are just restaurants that offer 'all-you-can-eat' at a fixed price, and the customer expects the kitchen to have unlimited stock of every ingredient. Who is the fool in that scenario?
QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 5 2010, 10:49 PM)
So you are saying that the issues that TM users are facing are PURELY because of bandwidth hoggers? Nothing to do with the fact that the contention ratio on Streamyx is something like 1:100?
Except what you are asking for isn't the same or equal? If I pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection and you pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection... why is it that I can't fully utilize it 24 hours a day just because you choose not to? So in other words, everyone is equal... but some people are more equal than others right?
I read your blog, I read your Twitter, and read your posts in this forum. You're right about over-subscription, and you're right about a lot of technical things, you're right about telco advertisement lies, but I think you got a typical hypocritical Malaysian mentality. "I pay for buffet so I should be able to eat how much I want". I buy land freehold, so I build your house however tall and however ugly I want? I pay good money to buy an expensive speaker set, so I blast it however loud I want? I can pasang lights outside my house, so I fix glaring stadium lights to shine 24-hours? I'm not in any way condoning the unscrupulous tactics of telcos, but your thinking is similar to the guy I quoted above, which is to be honest, isn't very reasonable.
QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 6 2010, 01:54 PM)
If we buy both condos and the condo has a limited capacity water tank for everyone to share. We pay the same monthly fee for the water bills only difference is that you open the tap 24/7 and let it flow. Everyday I come back from work hoping to take a relaxing shower only to find that water drips out only from my tap.Don't you think I deserve a good shower session? This is when the building management steps in to place a meter for everyone.
You mirror what I think, and I agree with your idea on traffic management during daylight/night hours. That's the principle of how a 'smart grid' works anyway, Wikipedia the term if you're interested. Hope YTL does this, but since they say they don't control or throttle their pipes, I don't think they'll have this.
QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Nov 6 2010, 05:56 PM)
People need to understand 2 things. Scarcity of resources and economies of scale.
Bandwidth is a scarce resource while demand for bandwidth is infinite. Therefore putting bandwidth caps is responsible network management because you cannot sell what you don't have.
Building gateways, etc is not cheap.
All ISPs implement contention ratios, where they oversell their bandwidth by a certain ratio so that more people can share the cost. E.g. Selling 10Mbps package to 50 people when your network can only cope with 10Mbps. That would give a contention ratio of 5 : 1. The idea being not everyone needs that bandwidth every time. I could be wrong about this calculation, but the idea is there.

This is how ISPs around the world can sell broadband at a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I think we can all see how the contention ratio principle falls apart when people start downloading 24/7.
I think that buffet example is an apt one. Not perfect, but close.
Streamyx is like an open buffet right now. 1 person walks in and takes the
whole buffet spread for himself, leaving
nothing for everyone else.
Even then, in a buffet, your stomach is limited and the restaurant can charge you for wastage if you don't finish what you take, so people
cannot hog.
Unfortunately, regarding bandwidth, people can keep deleting, download, delete, download, buy new hard drive, download so there is no limit to how much they can download. There's no way to check for wastage as well, as I'm sure many people don't even use everything that they download. So in this Streamyx "buffet", this 1 person
can keep hogging the
whole buffet spread for himself and leaves
nothing for everyone else.
Therefore, bandwidth caps are the way to go. If you want to exceed that bandwidth and are willing to pay for it, I think the idea of purchasing additional bandwidth is a good idea.
You also have the right idea I feel. It's comforting to know not all Malaysians have a gutter mentality. Go work around South East Asia, the people in those countries always say: "Malaysia never fight for anything, no wars. That's why they expect everything to come easily without effort." I feel so hurt when the Vietnamese (French, USA), Indonesians (Dutch), Cambodia (Pol Pot), Myanmar (civil war), Philippines (Dutch, USA) etc say this, because it is true. We Malaysians always so damn greedy with our utopia thinking and complain we don't have enough, when we actually have so much more than others.
QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 6 2010, 07:26 PM)
Hey guys, I'm selling a Ferrari here... but you can only drive it 200 km a month, otherwise it turns into a Kancil. You still pay for a Ferrari though!!!
You got the analogy wrong here. You didn't buy a Ferrari (enterprise gigabit fibre channel DWDM), you bought a Honda Kap (consumer broadband). You're expecting a Honda Kap to go at the speed and performance of a Ferrari. The result is obvious.
Oh and by the way, the 'Enterprise SDSL' you mentioned isn't enterprise grade at all, it's a crappy consumer-grade best effort line, that's why it's so cheap. For an equivalent vehicle maybe I'd say SDSL is like a Proton Wira?
QUOTE(Sophiera @ Nov 9 2010, 02:19 PM)
Yes is marketing on the fact that they charge you according to use, like electricity. A little throwback into the past, I feel.
I think this YTL fellows have been in the electricity business for long enough. Simple economics dictates that you pay for what you use, and Internet has become a commodity service like water/electricity. Want to use more water, pay for it. Same with electricity, same for Internet. I don't see why anyone has any case to complain, and YTL will make more money of the heavy users so these guys (or girls) pay for the infrastructure they use. I think it's fair when they say they got no cap or throttling, why would they want to do that? You use more, you pay more, they make more, it'd be stupid to throttle your own revenue stream isn't it?
The throttling method doesn't make sense either. Why would I want to degrade a customer's experience? Why not let the customer self-moderate themselves with pay-per-use? I just have to guarantee that the extra you pay me goes into scaling up the experience to what you're paying for (in terms of infrastructure cost). Sounds reasonable to me.
QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 10 2010, 07:33 AM)
No, you cannot use your iPhone to surf without the mifi.
But it doesn't make sense if you are existing iPhone user with data plan.
1. If you subscribe to iPhone, you can subscribe to the data plan as well, why want to subscribe to another data plan with YES?
2. You will need to bring another device in your pocket (mifi), also doesn't make sense.
Check out Verizon's iPad+mifi advertisement. Having a bandwidth intensive device means you would want to have a pipe to a high bandwidth network, right? Just because your iPhone comes with a data plan from Maxis/Digi means you treat Yes as 'another plan'? Why not buy a iPhone+mifi and use YTL's network to make call via wifi? Plus now I can use Facetime, which I can't with Maxis/Digi crappy 3G? Sounds good in theory...
A lot of testosterone-filled posts, boys.

No intention to start a flame war, but some comments base their principles on childish thinking. I'm more worried about coverage and the per MB price, if those 2 are ok it makes sense to go for their pay-per-use, high-speed mobile internet.
This post has been edited by Forum-Modding Newb: Nov 11 2010, 11:32 PM