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TSmonkeyking
post Jul 28 2010, 01:27 AM, updated 15y ago

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icon_rolleyes.gif Brothers & sisters, a very good Wednesday morning to all....... Just to continue from where I left off at.....


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1348455



rclxm9.gif Yes, it's here.......very very soon indeed. Yes, brothers & sisters, I am talking about YTL 4G WIMAX.



icon_rolleyes.gif Just received some latest news personally from CEO’s Office , YTL Corporate Communications.



thumbup.gif Our network engineering team members are currently very engrossed building the network to reach 65% of populated areas nationwide. Our device team are collaborating with a globally-known device manufacturer on a number of 4G mobile devices for more options to customers based on their needs and budget while our product team members are innovating the latest applications to run on the network. The Marketing team, meanwhile, is working on exciting, affordable service packages and the customer service team is building an interactive-based, world-class customer care infrastructure and all to be ready by our service commercial launch in Q4 this year for a wholly-new customer experience which will improve the way Malaysian learn, work, and play.

As an integral part of our 4G ecosystem, we are working with best-in-class partners such as Clearwire, Cisco, GCT, Samsung, and soon with the other world-class IT players to bring the best 4G device and customer experience to all Malaysians. In fact, today we signed a collaboration agreement with the world market leader in computer chipset which will include its extensive interoperability tests on our 4G network to profile their services as compatible with the wireless chipset. With this partnership, the power of our 4G network opens up to a whole new range of consumer devices, such as WiMAX-embedded netbooks and laptops.

We are actually in the ‘soft launch’ mode already with the robust 4 network is actually up and running with internal friendly user trials (FUT) is currently on-going to fine-tune the network and to test the mobile devices. A few demonstrations have been made to the highest authorities and selected high stake-holders to a resounding success. As soon as we reach the desired footprints, we shall switch on the network and offer it to the consumers to experience the full mobility of high-speed Internet Connectivity.

On the consumer front, we recently signed with UTM (IPTA) and UTAR (IPTS) to offer campus-wide 4G network and free 300 MB per month for all students. By end-2010, we shall sign up with all public and selected main private universities to offer 4G experience to 400,000 students nationwide and help to achieve the country’s National Broadband Initiative (NBI) to reach the 50% penetration rate by year-end and become a ‘broadband nation’ as envisioned by our Prime Minister.




wub.gif Thank you again for your keen interest and your patience. Will update you more as will soon as YTL WIMAX unveil it's brand name and flagship store. thumbup.gif



icon_rolleyes.gif You will be wondering about this ..."IT'S COMING, IT'S HERE SOON"........yes, my friends, watch out for THE ANNOUNCEMENTS IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPERS THIS WEEKEND.......hopefully too. rclxm9.gif


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post Jul 28 2010, 01:29 AM

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Good news for peeps who want an alternative to Pee1 or the other WWAN providers lol. Hope it'll be great, need to see more competition.

Just hope it won't be oversubscribed too fast else it'll end up just LIKE the others; a good initial 4-5 months, and after that... more hair pulling from people who revert back to STIMIX....

This post has been edited by solarmystic: Jul 28 2010, 01:31 AM
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post Jul 28 2010, 05:23 AM

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As long as it has a Fair Usage Policy with a stupid quota i advise everyone to forget it.
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post Jul 28 2010, 11:36 AM

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the reason why I won't get from Maxis/DG/Wimax is because of fair usage policy.

unless if this is changed, I will keep my 1mbps streamyx.
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post Jul 28 2010, 11:49 AM

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it will be on fair usage policy.. even in US or Australia...dont hope for no such policy here
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post Jul 28 2010, 12:25 PM

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for nowadays usage and demand, peoples want a better bandwidth and high speed to fulfilled the increasing data contents. implementing this policy is like giving you a ferrari and ask you to drive below 100/kmh. I believe if more ppls is not subscribing to that service and they will begin to realise and adjusting their policy to suits our demand.

It's the power of consumer anyway.
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post Jul 30 2010, 02:52 AM

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icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif More new in all today's newspapers!! whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Jul 30 2010, 08:46 AM

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TS go die!! with your fair usage broadband.. get real lah come on..

300MB for those IPT students? stingy lorrhhh...
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post Jul 30 2010, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(Minority116 @ Jul 30 2010, 08:46 AM)
TS go die!! with your fair usage broadband.. get real lah come on..

300MB for those IPT students? stingy lorrhhh...
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come on , its free... normal surfing 300mb is enuf for like 30mins ..and they dont expect u to sit there whole day for DDL ....

if u think not enuf , use Uni wifi ...thats no limit ....

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post Jul 30 2010, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Jul 30 2010, 09:00 AM)
come on , its free... normal surfing 300mb is enuf for like 30mins ..and they dont expect u to sit there whole day for DDL ....

if u think not enuf , use Uni wifi ...thats no limit ....

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so ur saying that fair usage is good and u are supporting it?
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post Jul 30 2010, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Minority116 @ Jul 30 2010, 09:13 AM)
so ur saying that fair usage is good and u are supporting it?
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i juz said that ppl let u surf for free at 300mb quota and nw u complain about it ?
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fair usage is good, as it will not to stress on the server or wad... see Tmnut, no fair usage and every1 pps/torrent and see what happen??
then again, unlimited is the best~ I'm a heavy user too~ LOL

300mb for free consider good already~ free neh~
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QUOTE(jepertine90 @ Jul 30 2010, 09:31 AM)
fair usage is good, as it will not to stress on the server or wad... see Tmnut, no fair usage and every1 pps/torrent and see what happen??
then again, unlimited is the best~ I'm a heavy user too~ LOL

300mb for free consider good already~ free neh~
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post Jul 31 2010, 01:25 AM

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i can see Wimax technology die next 1-2yrs..

LTE is future


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post Jul 31 2010, 06:00 AM

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thumbup.gif Just received more latest news personally from CEO’s Office , YTL Corporate Communications.



icon_rolleyes.gif We have to delay the announcement by a few more days due to unforeseen circumstances.
icon_idea.gif As mention, we are indeed on ‘soft launch’ mode already with devices and network are being tested rigorously leading to our Q4 nationwide commercial launch. rclxm9.gif

rclxms.gif Appreciate your patience ya? I promise you that it will be a worthwhile waiting. You know that YTL is a great builder and we’re building something great here for all Malaysians.



Cheers to all. wub.gif

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QUOTE(jepertine90 @ Jul 30 2010, 09:31 AM)
fair usage is good, as it will not to stress on the server or wad... see Tmnut, no fair usage and every1 pps/torrent and see what happen??
then again, unlimited is the best~ I'm a heavy user too~ LOL

300mb for free consider good already~ free neh~
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I agree fair use policy is good. But I do not agree about saying no fair use policy and everyone pps/torrent will cause server congestion or stuff. If TMNET does not have enough bandwidth or processing power on their routers/switches/server end; they should upgrade instead of blaming users for doing P2P.

So if TM blocks P2P totally and then there's slow down still, you guys gonna say people email or surf too much?

Nonsense... If you do not have a big head, do not wear a big HAT.
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Don't you dare call it broadband when you are only offering 1-2mbps kind of speed.

P1Wimax and the rest of the other wireless broadband providers today are dying because their misnamed their services as broadband but offer speeds which are lame.
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melaka ada ? with screamyx happy hour slowdown.. it suck big time
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post Jul 31 2010, 05:06 PM

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Can YTL actually live up to the hype it has been creating similar to P1 over a few years ago? Honestly, if YTL is offering the same speed package with the same bandwidth quota, I'm not going to switch from P1 because there's nothing to motivate us from switching to YTL. However, unless there is a modest upgrade in the bandwidth quota or their products are priced competitively, then there would be some degree of competition going on.

The Fair Usage Policy is a useful policy to ensure quality of service being delivered to all customers. I don't like the idea of one guy hogging the entire bandwidth and the rest have to suffer because of it. I really do hope YTL will imposed a reasonable usage quota and reasonable pricing on their services. I do understand why internet business companies need to implement this policy, but make sure it's reasonable.
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post Jul 31 2010, 05:07 PM

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better hv fair usage policy laa..if not..people will abuse the bandwitdh..later u all complaint slow...watever reason laa..
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like my cc..when i workin at cc...one thing i really dun like is customer install xunlei dl movie or pps watch movie..disturb customer jus surf net...last nite i hv big headache..some customer ask me why internet slow...i go check pc one by one..one bloody china student use xunlei dl..wtf.......
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QUOTE(vapeace @ Jul 31 2010, 12:16 PM)
melaka ada ? with screamyx happy hour slowdown.. it suck big time
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icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif It will be in almost all major towns throughout Malaysia.....all at one go & not just like P1 which does it town after another town or city. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Jul 31 2010, 05:31 PM)
icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif It will be in almost all major towns throughout Malaysia.....all at one go & not just like P1 which does it town after another town or city. thumbup.gif
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Launching slow packages at 1-2mbps in major towns and cities in Malaysia and calling it broadband will just end your business sooner.

We've already Unifi, Jaring Wired and Time offering higher speeds and much stable connections over wired connections at lower prices at major urban areas.

It wouldn't work in the Klang Valley as TM is already building an extensive fiber network there.

So care to explain how would your wireless service stand out?
In today's broadband business we talk about speed, pricing and availability.

Unless you're going to concentrate on kampung rural areas like what P1Wimax is intending to do.

There's no reason people would subscribe to wireless if FTTH is available in their areas.No brainer decision.
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I wnat to know wat will be the price and speed

If is 1mb or 2mb.. it no point.. streamyx have it all over
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im more interested to see what package they offer rather than who is offering it...if its no difference as wimax...no point subscript also

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QUOTE(vapeace @ Jul 31 2010, 07:47 PM)
I wnat to know wat will be the price and speed

If is 1mb or 2mb.. it no point.. streamyx have it all over
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Wireless will always be at the disadvantage compared to wired broadband when you intend to play in the same turf.
The pricing disadvantage alone will get you slaughtered overnight.

I can't see how YTL would be able compete in the Klang Valley where they are in direct coalition with Unifi FTTH.

Unless you can bring something out in excess of 10mbps for the home. You won't even stand a chance against wired ADSL.
Even how stable you can claim your broadband service is like a leased line at speeds of 1-2mbps, people would still get Streamyx or wired ADSL for much cheaper rates.
Look at P1Wimax for example.A 2mbps Home connection with download caps already cost RM199!

I know WIMAX is capable of speeds in access of 20mbps.Japan UQ could launch at 20mbps using MIMO 2X so why not something at 12mbps for Malaysians?


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as far as money is concern.. malaysian ISP as low speed as possible, earn as much profit as possible
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post Aug 1 2010, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(vapeace @ Jul 31 2010, 08:47 PM)
I wnat to know wat will be the price and speed

If is 1mb or 2mb.. it no point.. streamyx have it all over
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icon_rolleyes.gif Please wait for the announcements in the local newspapers in a few days time....cannot tell you more or release more information because of marketing strategy....please be patient will you brother. notworthy.gif


icon_rolleyes.gif No need to wait much longer.....this will be good I presume. icon_idea.gif ...when it's announce in the paper, you will know the full details. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(wongth7 @ Jul 31 2010, 08:52 PM)
im more interested to see what package they offer rather than who is offering it...if its no difference as wimax...no point subscript also
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notworthy.gif Please wait for the announcements in the local newspapers in a few days time to know if it's within your expectation......just be patient please brother. notworthy.gif


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post Aug 1 2010, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 31 2010, 06:06 PM)
Can YTL actually live up to the hype it has been creating similar to P1 over a few years ago? Honestly, if YTL is offering the same speed package with the same bandwidth quota, I'm not going to switch from P1 because there's nothing to motivate us from switching to YTL. However, unless there is a modest upgrade in the bandwidth quota or their products are priced competitively, then there would be some degree of competition going on.

The Fair Usage Policy is a useful policy to ensure quality of service being delivered to all customers. I don't like the idea of one guy hogging the entire bandwidth and the rest have to suffer because of it. I really do hope YTL will imposed a reasonable usage quota and reasonable pricing on their services. I do understand why internet business companies need to implement this policy, but make sure it's reasonable.
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icon_rolleyes.gif Not much can be revealed now due to marketing strategy.....just wait for the announcements in your local papers to get an insight of it's offering......the waiting is definately worthwhile as the CEO office had just said.

icon_idea.gif I am sure they won't disappoint you after they had seen what's happening to all the complaining of our Malaysian ISPs. icon_rolleyes.gif


whistling.gif Personally I don't don't the full details as everything is so secretive until the announcements. icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(vapeace @ Aug 1 2010, 03:03 AM)
as far as money is concern.. malaysian ISP as low speed as possible, earn as much profit as possible
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laugh.gif laugh.gif Hopefully YTL WIMAX wont' disappoint you brother....remember they are giving FREE 300MB to the University students....so maybe they are doing something good for all Malaysians as a social service as well......

.......afterall YTL GROUP had make tons of money already. laugh.gif



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QUOTE(wongth7 @ Jul 31 2010, 08:52 PM)
im more interested to see what package they offer rather than who is offering it...if its no difference as wimax...no point subscript also
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icon_rolleyes.gif Price wise, I am sure you don't have to worry much...please wait for the full details announcements in the local papers in a few days time to get a clearer picture. I personally don't know much about the pricing too. icon_rolleyes.gif



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Is it for Lembah Klang only or nationwide? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yangxi @ Jul 31 2010, 01:25 AM)
i can see Wimax technology die next 1-2yrs..

LTE is future
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WiMAX is what you can get now, LTE is what you will get years later.
You can't compare something that you don't have with something you already have.


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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Aug 1 2010, 03:35 AM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif Hopefully YTL WIMAX wont' disappoint you brother....remember they are giving FREE 300MB to the University students....so maybe they are doing something good for all Malaysians as a social service as well......

.......afterall YTL GROUP had make tons of money already. laugh.gif
Cheers. wub.gif
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Don't be silly.
Businessmen won't do charity unless it's for marketing and to lobby for more business opportunities. whistling.gif

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i hope is not over priced and reasonable monthly cap
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The 300MB is just for free tasting.
Like free sample food, you can't get full on it.
But I wonder if Uni students have to pay for the Wimax modem to use the FREE 300MB.
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[quote=monkeyking,Aug 1 2010, 03:35 AM]laugh.gif  laugh.gif Hopefully YTL WIMAX wont' disappoint you brother....remember they are giving FREE 300MB to the University students....so maybe they are doing something good for all Malaysians as a social service as well......

.......afterall YTL GROUP had make tons of money already. laugh.gif
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I can't believe you said such things.

Like they say all rich tycoons make donations hoping to cleanse them of their sins and earn a good name for themselves.

A humble person donates anonymously FYI.

YTL is buying wholesale bandwidth from TM and from history we knew what happened to AMAX which went the same route down the road.
Here's a refresher for those who have forgotten:
http://www.soyacincau.com/2010/05/27/amax-...gh-tms-charges/

We also know that without utilizing a wired solution such as TM's MetroEthernet fiber for your backhaul, you can materialize real high speed internet in excess of 10mbps.


Added on August 1, 2010, 10:00 pm[quote=p4n6,Aug 1 2010, 12:08 PM]WiMAX is what you can get now, LTE is what you will get years later.
You can't compare something that you don't have with something you already have.

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LTE won't materialize until our country has an extensive FTTH network for sure.

It's impossible for current base stations to provide everyone with speeds in excess of 100mbps that LTE is giving. Just like the Maxis trials which took place.

LTE will only be made possible when people have FTTH connections at home and they install micro base stations at home just like your wireless router which are called FEMTOCELLs.

So everyone FORGET about LTE.
It's a dream until you get your FTTH installed at home!


Added on August 1, 2010, 10:06 pm[quote=iipohbee,Aug 1 2010, 09:56 PM]
I can't believe you said such things.

Like they say all rich tycoons make donations hoping to cleanse them of their sins and earn a good name for themselves.

A humble person donates anonymously FYI.

YTL is buying wholesale bandwidth from TM and from history we knew what happened to AMAX which went the same route down the road.
Here's a refresher for those who have forgotten:
http://www.soyacincau.com/2010/05/27/amax-...gh-tms-charges/

We also know that without utilizing a wired solution such as TM's MetroEthernet fiber for your backhaul, you can materialize real high speed internet in excess of 10mbps.


Added on August 1, 2010, 10:00 pm

LTE won't materialize until our country has an extensive FTTH network for sure.

It's impossible for current base stations to provide everyone with speeds in excess of 100mbps that LTE is giving. Just like the Maxis trials which took place.

LTE will only be made possible when people have FTTH connections at home and they install micro base stations at home just like your wireless router which are called FEMTOCELLs.

So everyone FORGET about LTE.
It's a dream until you get your FTTH installed at home!
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This is how a femtocell looks like:
[img]http://cdn.phonemag.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ubiquisys_femtocell_1.jpg[/quote]

It doesn't make sense right? How can LTE provide speeds of close to 100mbps to your cellphone when you don't have a larger pipe feeding the femtocell? The only possibility is through a FTTH connection. That's when quadruple play comes into play.


Added on August 1, 2010, 10:12 pmI can't believe you said such things.

Like they say all rich tycoons make donations hoping to cleanse them of their sins and earn a good name for themselves.

A humble person donates anonymously FYI.

YTL is buying wholesale bandwidth from TM and from history we knew what happened to AMAX which went the same route down the road.
Here's a refresher for those who have forgotten:
http://www.soyacincau.com/2010/05/27/amax-...gh-tms-charges/

We also know that without utilizing a wired solution such as TM's MetroEthernet fiber for your backhaul, you can materialize real high speed internet in excess of 10mbps.

LTE won't materialize until our country has an extensive FTTH network for sure.

It's impossible for current base stations to provide everyone with speeds in excess of 100mbps that LTE is giving. Just like the Maxis trials which took place.

LTE will only be made possible when people have FTTH connections at home and they install micro base stations at home just like your wireless router which are called FEMTOCELLs.

So everyone FORGET about LTE.
It's a dream until you get your FTTH installed at home!

This is how a femtocell looks like:
[img]http://cdn.phonemag.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ubiquisys_femtocell_1.jpg[/quote]

It doesn't make sense right? How can LTE provide speeds of close to 100mbps to your cellphone when you don't have a larger pipe feeding the femtocell? The only possibility is through a FTTH connection. That's when quadruple play comes into play.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Aug 1 2010, 10:12 PM
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I can't believe you said such things.

Like they say all rich tycoons make donations hoping to cleanse them of their sins and earn a good name for themselves.

A humble person donates anonymously FYI.

YTL is buying wholesale bandwidth from TM and from history we knew what happened to AMAX which went the same route down the road.
Here's a refresher for those who have forgotten:
http://www.soyacincau.com/2010/05/27/amax-...gh-tms-charges/

We also know that without utilizing a wired solution such as TM's MetroEthernet fiber for your backhaul, you can materialize real high speed internet in excess of 10mbps.


Added on August 1, 2010, 10:00 pm

LTE won't materialize until our country has an extensive FTTH network for sure.

It's impossible for current base stations to provide everyone with speeds in excess of 100mbps that LTE is giving. Just like the Maxis trials which took place.

LTE will only be made possible when people have FTTH connections at home and they install micro base stations at home just like your wireless router which are called FEMTOCELLs.

So everyone FORGET about LTE.
It's a dream until you get your FTTH installed at home!


Added on August 1, 2010, 10:06 pm

This is how a femtocell looks like:
[img]http://cdn.phonemag.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ubiquisys_femtocell_1.jpg[/quote]

It doesn't make sense right? How can LTE provide speeds of close to 100mbps to your cellphone when you don't have a larger pipe feeding the femtocell? The only possibility is through a FTTH connection. That's when quadruple play comes into play.


Added on August 1, 2010, 10:12 pmI can't believe you said such things.

Like they say all rich tycoons make donations hoping to cleanse them of their sins and earn a good name for themselves.

A humble person donates anonymously FYI.

YTL is buying wholesale bandwidth from TM and from history we knew what happened to AMAX which went the same route down the road.
Here's a refresher for those who have forgotten:
http://www.soyacincau.com/2010/05/27/amax-...gh-tms-charges/

We also know that without utilizing a wired solution such as TM's MetroEthernet fiber for your backhaul, you can materialize real high speed internet in excess of 10mbps.

LTE won't materialize until our country has an extensive FTTH network for sure.

It's impossible for current base stations to provide everyone with speeds in excess of 100mbps that LTE is giving. Just like the Maxis trials which took place.

LTE will only be made possible when people have FTTH connections at home and they install micro base stations at home just like your wireless router which are called FEMTOCELLs.

So everyone FORGET about LTE.
It's a dream until you get your FTTH installed at home!

This is how a femtocell looks like:
[img]http://cdn.phonemag.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ubiquisys_femtocell_1.jpg[/quote]

It doesn't make sense right? How can LTE provide speeds of close to 100mbps to your cellphone when you don't have a larger pipe feeding the femtocell? The only possibility is through a FTTH connection. That's when quadruple play comes into play.
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wub.gif icon_rolleyes.gif Brother iipohbee, a very good Monday morning to you......brother, here I am trying to inform all Malaysian members here of the soon to be launch YTL Wimax & nothing else......not to make extra cash or whatsoever. I am just another poor Malaysian Rayaat who had had suffer long enough through more than 5 years of TM Streamyx bad service and connections, etc, etc. Being extremely disappointed with TM Streamyx, I do hope that some new ISP will come a deliver something better. Then came P1 & I too waited for a long time for it to come to my hometown. Later when it's available, I tried it but P1 performs miserably.....so, I again hope for another ISP to come along and deliver again.

icon_rolleyes.gif Then I heard of new developments from YTL Communications & I, as a disappointed broadband user just like you perhaps, hope for something good from them. I keep in touch with CEO’s Office , YTL Corporate Communications & had been getting update personally from them. Now that they inform me of the good news, I try to bring some cheers to ALL DISAPPOINTED MALAYSIA BROADBAND USERS........maybe it's good or maybe not I don't know but at least we can have another ALTERNATIVE TO TRY OUT.


Brother iipohbee, what I said here is all mostly from YTL Communications. Remember I say this ......so maybe they are doing something good for all Malaysians as a social service as well.............yes, brother iipohbee, you seem not too happy when I say this & you seem to keep repeating again & again, as quote above your reply, I quote I can't believe you said such things. Like they say all rich tycoons make donations hoping to cleanse them of their sins and earn a good name for themselves.

A humble person donates anonymously FYI.
.......yes, brother iipohbee, I use the words "maybe they are doing something good for all Malaysians", Yes, using the word MY OWN WORD "MAYBE'... I know most people do some charity work for this world but you seem not too happy by repeating again & again these words "all rich tycoons make donations hoping to cleanse them of their sins and earn a good name for themselves."

Yes, we all in our life time on this world, will always try to do something good for others whenever possible, Yes, rich tycoons, I do envy them with their money and the luxury life there are living but them some of them are really doing something good for this world. Yes, brother iipohbee, there are lots of rich Malaysian tycoons doing good for all Malaysians but please do not say that "all rich tycoons make donations hoping to cleanse them of their sins and earn a good name for themselves." Yes, brother iipohbee, there are rich and poor people in this world, some maybe be born lucky rich & some maybe not just like you & most of us...so let it be and just don't condemn all rich people just because most of us cannot live a luxurious life like theirs. Remember, GOD IS ALL MIGHTY & I am sure HE will rewards us in so many other ways. So, let us live a life as we are created & you will find a happier & richer you.....yes, richer in other ways other than money.


notworthy.gif Brother iipohbee, peace be with you & lets us all pray that YTL Communications will DELIVER.......let us all wait a few days more for their announcements in our local papers. It may turn out to be good or maybe not, I don't know myself. May I quote again from the CEO’s Office , YTL Corporate Communications.......I promise you that it will be a worthwhile waiting. You know that YTL is a great builder and we’re building something great here for all Malaysians.



wub.gif Cheers brother iipohbee, peace be with you. Be happy always & take care too wherever you may be. wub.gif

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icon_rolleyes.gif Brother vapeace, I do hope for this too...reasonable pricing & no monthly cap. rclxm9.gif I presume the marketing people at YTL Communications must have heard us loud and clear. wink.gif


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Is it for Lembah Klang only or nationwide? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Aug 1 2010, 01:08 PM)
WiMAX is what you can get now, LTE is what you will get years later.
You can't compare something that you don't have with something you already have.


Added on August 1, 2010, 12:11 pm

Don't be silly.
Businessmen won't do charity unless it's for marketing and to lobby for more business opportunities. whistling.gif
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icon_rolleyes.gif I believe so too brother p4n6...yes, marketing & more business opportunities. whistling.gif Yes, nothing comes free with this world. laugh.gif


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wub.gif Cheers brother iipohbee, peace be with you. Be happy always & take care too wherever you may be. wub.gif
God Bless and In God We Trust.

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Just my opinion on Malaysian broadband industry today.

We want fast fiber optic broadband and the next generation LTE or 4X4 Wimax won't materialize without a fast fiber line pumping huge bandwidth into wireless APs.
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icon_rolleyes.gif An update for all....



thumbup.gif YTL Communications Sdn Bhd (YTL Comms) and Intel Malaysia have signed a collaboration agreement to deliver superior fourth generation (4G) experience on its network.'' ''

In a statement here on Monday, Aug 2, YTL Comms said working with Intel to offer WiMAX-ready devices was an integral part of the strategy to unveil the company's 4G network, which was expected to be launched in the fourth quarter of this year.

Its chief executive officer Wing Lee said the collaboration would include interoperability test on its 4G network by Intel to enable compatibility with its WiMAX/WiFi wireless chipset.

"Intel will also provide WiMAX-embedded laptops which will be certified and ready for use on our 4G network," he said.

He said the company would continue to expand its ecosystem of 4G devices and services to make it easier for the customers to enjoy the benefits of its network and play a role in propelling the country into an innovation-led economy.

Meanwhile, Intel Malaysia's country manager Ryaz Perez said the collaboration would boost WiMAX subscription and help Malaysia's National Broadband Plan achieve 50% penetration rate by the end-2010.



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When are you rolling out your services?
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so when launching ? can pakai one or.. don wan later become another p1 which over promote and cannot deliver shit
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I hope the speeds offered will be quite attractive.

Uncapped speeds like what Digi is offering with monthly volume limit.

Speed is everything for broadband.
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so when launching ? can pakai one or.. don wan later become another p1 which over promote and cannot deliver shit
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Broadband service is a capital intensive biz. monkeyking, if you want to make a difference in MY broadband industry, suggest to your big boss to form a consortium with Digi, izzi and P1 to run a shared broadband backend infrastructure
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Yeah form an alternative infrastructure and break away from TM's monopoly.

That way you'll encourage competition and efficiency!

Like my place here we have a dedicated Digi transmission tower.DiGi runs fiber across the road at my house and they are very active here.Must say they provide the best service which I can't ask for more.

Look at DiGi's broadband speed at my area:

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Beats the crap out of Streamyx which claims to be "if it's not Streamyx, it's not enough!"
Shame on you so called fixed line provider. Fiber optics is like still years away.
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wub.gif wub.gif Like any other celebration, Hari Raya is best celebrated when people of all communities come together as one. Now that we are closer than ever to our vision of connecting communities through our 4G network, we would like to wish all of you 'Selamat Hari Raya Aidilfitri' and thank you for your support throughout this journey of creating positive change in Malaysia. And as you make your own journey back to your hometown, remember that the next time you 'balik kampung' for Hari Raya, we will be by your side all the way, thanks to our 4G network.

Selamat Hari Raya Aidilfitri

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wub.gif  wub.gif Like any other celebration, Hari Raya is best celebrated when people of all communities come together as one. Now that we are closer than ever to our vision of connecting communities through our 4G network, we would like to wish all of you 'Selamat Hari Raya Aidilfitri' and thank you for your support throughout this journey of creating positive change in Malaysia. And as you make your own journey back to your hometown, remember that the next time you 'balik kampung' for Hari Raya, we will be by your side all the way, thanks to our 4G network.

Selamat Hari Raya Aidilfitri

Warm regards,

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Any hints of what is the entry level speed for YTL Comms Wimax packages, Monkey King?

We don't want to hear anything which is below 3mbps.
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Any hints of what is the entry level speed for YTL Comms Wimax packages, Monkey King?

We don't want to hear anything which is below 3mbps.
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icon_rolleyes.gif Hi brother iipohbee, don't know much about the full details of their speed but it will be worthwhile to wait a little longer for the full nationwide launch. rclxm9.gif I guess YTL Communication can't reveal much now because of marketing strategy.....so please be patient and I am sure YTL Communications will not disappoint us Malaysians. thumbup.gif


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icon_rolleyes.gif Brother Icehart, my humble apologise to you as most of the finer details are in kept in secrecy because of their marketing plans but, as far as I know, it will be launch in mid-November......so stay tune & let's hope for a better & faster 4G WIMAX [price wise too] from YTL Communications. icon_idea.gif


notworthy.gif Thank you brother Icehart for your keen interest. notworthy.gif



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I hope the speeds offered will be quite attractive.

Uncapped speeds like what Digi is offering with monthly volume limit.

Speed is everything for broadband.
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icon_rolleyes.gif Brother iipohbee, I am sure some of the marketing department executives are reading this topic too & I amm sure they will take note of it too. wink.gif Surely YTL Communications will definately NOT offer a lousy service & then go into oblivion......mind you they are investing billions in this new service. tongue.gif



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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Sep 10 2010, 02:39 PM)
icon_rolleyes.gif  Brother Icehart, my humble apologise to you as most of the finer details are in kept in secrecy because of their marketing plans but, as far as I know, it will be launch in mid-November......so stay tune & let's hope for a better & faster 4G WIMAX [price wise too] from YTL Communications.  icon_idea.gif
notworthy.gif Thank you brother Icehart for your keen interest. notworthy.gif
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I just want a stable and consistent connection that will outshine all competitors out there. There's no way Wimax can compete with wired broadband but if YTL can maintain good, consistent, affordable and reasonable FUP, then I'll personally terminate my P1 and jump to YTL.


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mind you they are investing billions in this new service. tongue.gif
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Hi monkeyking, I'm curious... P1 planned their CAPEX based on 800m radius per site. What's YTL's planning parameter?

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World Bank | YTL Communications | YTL Corporation BhdWritten by Karamjit
Singh
Monday, 11 October 2010 14:36

KUALA LUMPUR: Saying that YTL is known for building world-class
infrastructure at third world prices, Tan Sri Francis Yeoh, managing
director, YTL CORPORATION BHD [] and executive chairman of YTL
Communications has thrown the gauntlet to the existing telco players with
his upcoming 4G launch of mobile voice and data services on Nov 18.

The service will immediate cover 65% of populated areas from 1,000 base
stations with close to RM1 billion invested thus far, he said. A triple play
service, it will morph into the world's first nationwide quad play service
by the end of next year with a mobile TV offering that will work across
devices and not be locked into any one proprietary platform.

"We will become the world's most advanced nation for communications services
by then," says Yeoh on Monday, Oct 11.


Yeoh: We have to give the power [of the Internet] to the people.
Firing a broadside at the established telcos, he says the telco model is not
sustainable. "Even their 3G is voice centric and they are hanging on with a
lot of profit and not innovating. That I think is to a certain extent,
irresponsible to the public."

He believes the Internet should be made available to all Malaysians. "That
is our vision. We have to give the power [of the Internet] to the people."

Not revealing pricing yet for next month's 4G launch, Yeoh gives a hint of
the prices to come when he says, "people forget that we were among the
pioneers in bringing the cost of voice calls [international] down by 93% in
the late 1990s with our Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) company Extiva.
Our pricing will be very competitive."

Yeoh believes the launch of the 4G service can quickly help Malaysia move
out of the middle income trap it is in. "Look at World Bank research which
points to every 10% increase in broadband subscription giving GDP a 1.35%
boost. Imagine when we boost broadband penetration to 70% in Malaysia."
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I prefer to see the actual performance after 6 months the service launched.
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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Oct 12 2010, 08:41 AM)
The service will immediate cover 65% of populated areas from 1,000 base
stations with close to RM1 billion invested thus far, he said. A triple play
service, it will morph into the world's first nationwide quad play service
by the end of next year with a mobile TV offering that will work across
devices and not be locked into any one proprietary platform.

"We will become the world's most advanced nation for communications services
by then," says Yeoh on Monday, Oct 11.
Yeoh: We have to give the power [of the Internet] to the people.
Firing a broadside at the established telcos, he says the telco model is not
sustainable. "Even their 3G is voice centric and they are hanging on with a
lot of profit and not innovating. That I think is to a certain extent,
irresponsible to the public."
powerful statement, typical Malaysian company.
I wonder will they be able to deliver it though...

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all i hear is talk talk talk talk talk..

no see anything also .. useless
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Well, don't judge them yet as per now. I will be more than happily waiting for them to launch the service in this coming Nov and see what they can offer. Nevertheless, this will provide a stiff competition to other Wimax and 3g services provider as well as the Mr monopolise ™ in terms of quality of services and pricing. Myself been frustrated with the current bad services fm Streamyx and even the Unifi services is being launched at a slow pace although my house is located in the areas where the infrastructure is ready to be deploy the ftth services.

Good luck to YTL and hope you will not disappoint us as I'm one of the possible client that is eager to try it out.
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Oct 12 2010, 08:54 AM)
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powerful statement, typical Malaysian company.
I wonder will they be able to deliver it though...
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all i hear is talk talk talk talk talk..

no see anything also .. useless
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Agree with all of you... anly can hear... talk talk talk about promises promises promises...
But i prefer to check the service after a year... usually the flow like this:
1-4 months - people just know about it only, coverage not so wide.
5-9 months - more coverage, more people join, slow down starts at 7 month onward for majority areas
10-12 months - try to "IMPROVE" the shitty service....

Best time to do benches... 5-9 months and after a year....

But I think this company talk talk talk until even the general non techie people know about YTL...
I rmb few months ago, heard about this weird company some1 was saying... she make it sound like as if its the next best thing after toasted bread....
Well, I for 1 will not go wireless, will want FTTH because I am a gamer and a downloader....

And from july till now, we don't even know what packages.... sigh...
P1 actually told us about their shitty packages long before they launched....

IF it does lauch like erm, on November, its about time to tell customers your coverage areas and your packages, contract, modem price, etc... etc....

I smell a big failure from this.....
And I hope it will have reasonable caps.... Higher than P1, and definitely NOT LIKE CELCOM and MAXIS....
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HAHAHA, PEE1 is useless la bro, if ur line have any problem and u called them they will say "We are expanding our network converage please be patient" their favourite line. Besides that for the first 1-2 months ur network is super fast after that u will see ur network speed start to decrease already, i dunno some how they programme it to be like that. Still prefer StreamX. Cheers
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"We will become the world's most advanced nation for communications services
by then," says Yeoh on Monday, Oct 11.

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA...

(Drops dead from laughing too much)

Hey, Mr Yeoh... All of the current 4G implementations in this sad country has gone to CRAP... what makes you think your company can do better?

That's right... butter us up with your words..... Another FAIL enterprise after everyone potong en masse and joins the fail network...
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continued: and get stuck with 24+ months contract...

Now i begin to understand my Australia and some other contries didn't accept WiMax... LTE seems better in paper, but who knows how is it actually?
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well...its normal that many corporate MD will talk good about their own company. Consumers nowadays are smarter as they don't take the empty words easily without seeing the facts. Anyway I believe YTL should done better in terms of the new 4G offering and this all of us hope to see in the coming future. Between YTL and TM, which brand you have a better image? biggrin.gif
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if not mistaken they've already so called pre-lunch their Wimax in some of the local public universities ( UTM and UPM if not mistaken).. i really hope to hear some comments from students about their network.

i really hope that YTL don't become like P1 or others.. pls don't shit on us!

http://www.ytlcomms.my/EN/educations-partner-program.aspx

here's the link of EPP programs.. hopefully someone there enlighted us with some info (speedtest, pingtest etc)

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well already subcribe to unifi..hmm but i believe YTL could make a diferent as they are quite a well known company in the world and quite a number of project in uk and few other internationally..

and seriously they are keeping high hope on their power generation division to make lots of profit apart from their cement/and few other branch..

hope their price could change the whole scenario and standard pricing of other service, since they are very bold with the statement as above they have to keep up their word, hope can see some real competition on pricing scheme.
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QUOTE(seme @ Oct 12 2010, 04:33 PM)
if not mistaken they've already so called pre-lunch their Wimax in some of the local public universities ( UTM and UPM if not mistaken).. i really hope to hear some comments from students about their network.

i really hope that YTL don't become like P1 or others.. pls don't shit on us!

http://www.ytlcomms.my/EN/educations-partner-program.aspx

here's the link of EPP programs.. hopefully someone there enlighted us with some info (speedtest, pingtest etc)
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well, lets wait and see. just keep our fingers crossed.
this company is very rich and world reknown, i wud say.
i hope they can deliver their promises. i'll be thankful even if its slightly better than our current providers....
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well already subcribe to unifi..hmm but i believe YTL could make a diferent as they are quite a well known company in the world and quite a number of project in uk and few other internationally..

and seriously they are keeping high hope on their power generation division to make lots of profit apart from their cement/and few other branch..

hope their price could change the whole scenario and standard pricing of other service, since they are very bold with the statement as above they have to  keep up their word, hope can see some real competition on pricing scheme.
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of course loh this giant biz group got a giant 'water hose' to support them... unlike P1 keep seeking new fund injection ...

P1 can no longer enjoy its soley wimax provider any more, sure got another price war going on... wait for 18 October, then we all know the price, hopefully don't let us disappointed again...
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The service will immediate cover 65% of populated areas from 1,000 base
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Access internet everywhere with a mobile internet wireless modem!
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Aiyo people...

Let history remind you.... Asiaspace took down their WiMAX network in "favor" of a future LTE deployment. Redtone... as quiet as church mouse and their target market is SME not consumer, and P1.... big staff exodus. So YTL only has the big boys to contend with now. But with every other WiMAX providers experiencing epic fail, who da heck would wanna lock down a 1 or 2 year contract with yet another WiMAX service provider? Foolhardy.
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YTL start late maybe they don't want copy P1 model which the later works on a 'gradually coverage expansion model' that subject to many complaints in the service area ....

they rather finish with network station built-up first than only launch their product to consumer... maybe this is what a giant co. can afford go against a growing IT co.
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif Malaysia To Launch World's 1st Wireless Hybrid TV Service

Kuala Lumpur, 11th October 2010 – YTL Communications Sdn Bhd today signed a Licence and Services Agreement with next-generation TV innovator, Sezmi Corporation. The agreement gives YTL Communications the rights to deploy hybrid TV service in Malaysia and throughout Asia Pacific thus transforming Malaysia into a leading operational hub for digital media and television broadcasting, capable of serving the region. Through this, Malaysia will effectively become first in the world to launch an all wireless hybrid TV service by the end of 2011.


Hybrid TV brings together the best of broadcast content and Internet in the same device over a wireless network to deliver a superior customer experience and Sezmi is leading in this area. The Sezmi system is currently commercially available in the United States, one of the world’s most demanding markets for such technologies and services. It is in this very market that Sezmi has proven itself as a front running innovator in redefining the television viewing experience.

"YTL is passionate about bringing concrete benefits and positive change to Malaysians from all walks of life. We commend our Prime Minister’s vision to develop Malaysia into a high income country," said Tan Sri (Dr) Francis Yeoh, Managing Director, YTL Corporation Berhad & Executive Chairman of YTL Communications. "Acting on this call made by the government, we bring Silicon Valley to Malaysia today with this next-generation wireless hybrid TV service. We believe Sezmi is the best partner to make this possible. With Sezmi Corporation, we will give Asia a next-generation entertainment experience by bringing together the best television and Internet experience all in one box. Malaysia is screaming for more choices and with Sezmi, we will deliver. This will inspire Malaysians to adopt the Internet at a faster rate in line with the government's National Broadband Initiative."

Through this partnership, YTL Communications plans to transform Malaysia into the world's first, fully converged wireless quadruple-play country, effectively positioning the nation as the world’s most advanced wireless country. The service that YTL will bring together with Sezmi will require new devices, equipment, content and applications which will be developed and manufactured in Malaysia, at the same time driving FDI from world-class partners while creating export opportunities of know-how and manufactured goods to service providers throughout the region. Indirect output will also see the creation of a large pool of jobs for creative, professional and technical services, all of which are imperatives in achieving an innovation-led, high-income economy.

"When we launch our 4G mobile Internet service next month, it will be amazing. We will deliver to Malaysia a wireless dual-play service – broadband and voice on our 4G network. But this is only the beginning. Thanks to our cutting edge architecture, we will be able to deliver the world's first wireless quadruple-play service (mobile broadband, mobile voice, mobile TV and fixed TV) by the end of next year. But our desire for innovation will not stop there, we will continue to deliver amazing experiences to our customers using our 4G platform and bring positive change to Malaysia." said Wing K. Lee, CEO, YTL Communications.

"We're truly excited to be a part of this project. I commend the Malaysian government and YTL Communications for their foresight in initiating a project that is as impressive as this. It is indisputable that convergence between broadcast and Internet is fast becoming a dominant trend," said Buno Pati, CEO, Sezmi Corporation. "In developing countries, televisions are significantly more prevalent than computers. Hence, the best way to deliver broadband to every person is through a TV screen connected to a wireless network that can bring together high quality HD content and Internet all in one. We see this partnership as an amazing opportunity to realise this vision. YTL Communications' solid financial foundation, expertise and passion make them the perfect partner to realize this vision.”


icon_rolleyes.gif JUST ANOTHER 3 WEEKS OR SO & WE CAN ALL TRY THE NEW YTL WIRELESS BROADBAND icon_idea.gif ......SO, STAY PUT PLEASE. rclxm9.gif


thumbup.gif STREAMYX HAD TRIPLE PLAY BROADBAND WHILE YTL WIMAX WILL HAVE QUADRUPLE PLAY BROADBAND. rclxm9.gif thumbup.gif






wub.gif CHEERS TO ALL. wub.gif

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so guys the this shud be a gud news or a bad news(mean it will really improve the bad internet connection provide by P1 b4?)
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i'll give u a prediction.
first 6 months you'll get fast service, and after that it will be dead slow and the ISP don't give a shit cause ur on a contract.

u tak suka, u keluar malaysia. thats the attitude of all the ISPs in malaysia from what i can see.
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why don't all these wireless ISP providers just combine their resources to build a consortium?

Just imagine YTL - Redtone - P1 - Ezzinet all come together to share their resources and build their own infrastructure?


I don't see how these newcomers can compete with well established players in the market like Digi/maxis/celcom which have large cash inflows. P1 relies solely on the broadband service to generate income, where as these 3 big telcos have other lifeline such as voice service.

But then again, YTL is a big company with resources. I will give it a benefit of doubt.

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Anyone has an idea on what the YTL offer going to be ? Is it going to be voice and data ? What is the price of the service ? What fone? Do you think its worth waiting for or its just hype
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you posted in the wrong section, this should be under network & broadband forum. more info on YTL please refer http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1505114
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tomorrow it will be launched according to my source.
will have voice and data
price is pay as you use

depending on what type of a user you are, hardcore downloader or light user, you may or may not like the offering smile.gif
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what's their website ?
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Launching at 19th Nov @ 5pm.
Venue Lot10, Bukit Bintang

They used 018 no for voice i think......
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Based on the softlaunch yesterday... I would say... don't get your hopes up. It isn't the "game-changer" that YTL makes their solution out to be (and it sure as hell isn't 4G since the ITU has finalized their requirements).

A more or less wrap-up of yesterdays softlaunch: http://bit.ly/cJ7xzO
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sure limit usage
giv u 42M
the fastest internet in malaysia
but 1month 5GB only
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i wonder hw do they calculate.. high bandwidth = low cap ?

high bandwidth should be high cap.. since you got more bandwidth you will utilize it better.. eg streaming video/radio stations/video conferencing and etc

somehow all their logic is crap.. they only wanna squeeze money from you
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I know what you mean. I really hate marketing speak.

All these P1 and YTL Wimax players keep selling their services as 4G. It's NOT 4G.

4G isn't even fully implemented in Japan yet. Let alone the rest of the world.

They're Wimax. They should just stick to the term Wimax. 3G and 4G run on cellular networks, such as Digi and Maxis. Wimax is essentially a Wifi on steroids. They do not run off cellular networks but run instead on a special type of wifi that extends a few kilometers.
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I know what you mean. I really hate marketing speak.

All these P1 and YTL Wimax players keep selling their services as 4G. It's NOT 4G.
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I Don't trust wireless
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Wireless have too much drawbacks, plus one base station only can support up to certain of users at the same time "FOR THE WHOLE AREA". Lol, Wireless broadband definitely won't be replace wired broadband or for Home used. Wireless tend to support outdoor used, light surf. But not for heavy downloaders.

I don't trust either, especially those claims or testimonials.

ClearWire the most popular WiMax provider in US, also having too much complains and frustrated customers on their its slow connection and inconsistent speed. So, WiMax just another failure wireless technology, it still unable to cope with real time performance.

Campaign and launch, speed will be the most fake one. biggrin.gif The computer which used to test the speed, of course will be easily hit the maximum speed, because that computer was the only 1 user for whole Wimax network.

Some people do believed it, they are easily conned by it. Naive tongue.gif
Comes to real time performance, it could be a ugly page.

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I know what you mean. I really hate marketing speak.

All these P1 and YTL Wimax players keep selling their services as 4G. It's NOT 4G.

4G isn't even fully implemented in Japan yet. Let alone the rest of the world.

They're Wimax. They should just stick to the term Wimax. 3G and 4G run on cellular networks, such as Digi and Maxis. Wimax is essentially a Wifi on steroids. They do not run off cellular networks but run instead on a special type of wifi that extends a few kilometers.
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if they plan to have around 2000++ base to cover the peninsular malaysia do you think it's sufficient.. or not? and they base on north-south highway. meaning you can access internet during travel. currently they have 65% base up. even in korea who implement wimax 4g earlier than us doesn't reach the speed as stated in ITU. there's pros and cons for wireless.. wireless is to enable mobility...
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matilah company ini
sure limit kaokao
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check it out here!

http://www.yes.my/en/index.aspx
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according to their website, no limit, no cap. check it our here!
http://www.yes.my/en/index.aspx
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according to their website, no limit, no cap. check it our here!
http://www.yes.my/en/index.aspx
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where exactly in the site does it say that ?? show me a screenshot plz.. maybe i missed it..

all i know is they say "pay for what you use"....
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QUOTE(dannychen @ Nov 4 2010, 06:57 PM)
The site did not say a crap. just stupid marketing words. (well... at least until 19th nov 2010)
if they expect ppl to surf normal web = FAIL
people will use their device to exploit whatever resources is available = TRUE

so unless their 24/7 usage's value beats many of it's competitors it is not really attractive.
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where exactly in the site does it say that ?? show me a screenshot plz.. maybe i missed it..

all i know is they say "pay for what you use"....
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http://www.yes.my/en/why-yes/more-reasons-...et-for-all.aspx
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I got a feeling its gonna be another P1 Wimax fakup..... 4G tech sux big time...after subscribing with p1 for 16 months..and actually paying only for 3 months.... i had enuf of 4g crap...PHAIL!...
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you guys are comparing the existing lousy P1 with the new players from YTLE. If you know this company well, they will not roll out something which they do not have the confidence in. YTL is already proven to be the brand that you can trust as all the projects they bring out will be a quality one, unlike some company that give empty promises without caring their company goodwill. They will get my subscription for sure due to it's own branding, unlike TM or Unifi which is doomed to fail in the future as you're getting half of what you're paying.
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you guys are comparing the existing lousy P1 with the new players from YTLE. If you know this company well, they will not roll out something which they do not have the confidence in. YTL is already proven to be the brand that you can trust as all the projects they bring out will be a quality one, unlike some company that give empty promises without caring their company goodwill. They will get my subscription for sure due to it's own branding, unlike TM or Unifi which is doomed to fail in the future as you're getting half of what you're paying.
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Mr. Lee, please train your forumers. This is too obvious !
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QUOTE(dannychen @ Nov 5 2010, 12:06 AM)
well the important part is still this
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"Apart from giving you the lowest rates, we also charge only for what you use. After all, paying for what you don't use just doesn't make sense. While conventional mobile plans tend to come with too little of what you need, and too much of what you don't need, Yes helps you save by charging only for what you use – just like electricity."


so 10gb 50 bux ?, no rate at all if its absurd then the service can close down even before its launch...

so since they are following pay as you use formula.. I"M VERY SURE THERE WILL BE NO THROTTLING OR TRANSPARENT PROXY ? implemented since we are paying for what we use....

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Mr. Lee, please train your forumers.  This is too obvious !
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Average real time speed by Yes is around 11mbps as shown at their Twitter site.

Still betten than nothing. Crap TMnut can't even deliver 512kbps on a 4mbps ADSL line during at night.
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That wasn't their average speed, in order to get an average you must perform more than 1 test. They did ONE test to a LOCAL server.

And even if 11Mbps was their average speed... that is with ZERO subscribers on the network.

Think before you speak.
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 5 2010, 10:35 AM)
so since they are following pay as you use formula.. I"M VERY SURE THERE WILL BE NO THROTTLING OR TRANSPARENT PROXY ? implemented since we are paying for what we use....
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From what I've heard, no throttling... but then again, the rates I have heard are in no way cheap or even competitive to other pay-as-you-go solutions (think along the lines of buying a HotLink SIM just to surf data with no promotions). All hearsay, but from reliable sources.
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another internet service in MY ?
wow i expect it =D
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So tell me, what 4G phones are there in the market today?
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maybe u dont go to yes website..
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lol lol - Uni in da list when you want to sign in to update details it requests u to put in ID and password as per email ... u know what there is no password in the email sent by Yes. Replied to ID email and receive laugh.gif auto response - will be replied within 2 business hours. see how true that is wink.gif n the password that u put in when signing up for ID will not work laugh.gif this is not a good sign whistling.gif

self edited: received a reply - saying that password will be mailed after the service launch on Nov 19 wasted my time trying rclxub.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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My Question is "Will YTL offers reasonable broadband speed with REASONABLE price?"
After all, I knew that I shouldn't expect too much on Malaysia Broadband services... shakehead.gif

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To be fair to all, full uncap speeds with volume limits to keep the bandwidth hoggers away.

If you download fast more data will be moved faster and thus more you have to pay.

We can't be allowing the bandwidth hoggers to cause the whole network to cripple just because of their selfish attitudes.

The average user would want to surf smoothly, view their streaming
videos without delay and do some casual downloading off and on.
Maybe there could be "free late hours" during early hours in the morning for people to download as much as they want but stay clear away during business and peak hours at night.These are the times when you need to manage the network resources carefully for decent/fast latencies.It is these times when complaints are brought.

So meaning, peak hours during the day from 11am to 11pm should be volume cap and hours in between the network should be fully released.
Those who surf at such hours have no right to complain because they are not the average user/working class. Don't you find that very seldom you hear people complain that their internet speed/experience suck at 3am?You can easily question them back what sort of activity you're doing at that time and they will keep their lips tight.
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I applaud the move on paying how much you used in a month but the amount charged per GB must be reasonable. smile.gif
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you guys are comparing the existing lousy P1 with the new players from YTLE. If you know this company well, they will not roll out something which they do not have the confidence in. YTL is already proven to be the brand that you can trust as all the projects they bring out will be a quality one, unlike some company that give empty promises without caring their company goodwill. They will get my subscription for sure due to it's own branding, unlike TM or Unifi which is doomed to fail in the future as you're getting half of what you're paying.
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We can't be allowing the bandwidth hoggers to cause the whole network to cripple just because of their selfish attitudes.
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In case you didn't know, if it wasn't for the "bandwidth hoggers":

- Internet worldwide would still be 56kbps; therefore
- the WWW would still be filled with white pages and black text only; therefore
- flickr would not exist; AND
- youtube would not exist

It has always been the "bandwidth hoggers" that push bandwidth requirements forward. Everyone is selfish to some extent, learn to consider other points of view.
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QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 5 2010, 06:14 PM)
In case you didn't know, if it wasn't for the "bandwidth hoggers":

- Internet worldwide would still be 56kbps; therefore
- the WWW would still be filled with white pages and black text only; therefore
- flickr would not exist; AND
- youtube would not exist

It has always been the "bandwidth hoggers" that push bandwidth requirements forward. Everyone is selfish to some extent, learn to consider other points of view.
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I applaud the move on paying how much you used in a month but the amount charged per GB must be reasonable. smile.gif
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Yes, please implement that at least during peak or business hours where bandwidth/latency priority is crucial for daily routines.

During peak times of the day from 10am till 11pm, the volume cap must be in place.These are the times when SMEs/offices needs to make voip calls, make online transactions, surf the internet with ease and communicate. From then on, only weirdos or the unemployed stay up late for their unhealthy habits. It's ok to let go after 12am because from observation, most complainants do not report slow internet speeds in the early hours of the morning.

There are exception with some who have to work in early morning shifts or rush for last minute assignments, but with the reduced number of people going online after 12am things should ease up.


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QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 5 2010, 06:14 PM)
In case you didn't know, if it wasn't for the "bandwidth hoggers":

- Internet worldwide would still be 56kbps; therefore
- the WWW would still be filled with white pages and black text only; therefore
- flickr would not exist; AND
- youtube would not exist

It has always been the "bandwidth hoggers" that push bandwidth requirements forward. Everyone is selfish to some extent, learn to consider other points of view.
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Well the bandwidth hoggers which you're referring to are not those who just view bandwidth rich contents, stream videos/radio stations or those who only read pages in black and white.

They download heaps of unhealthy porn contents and contents which they don't even have the time to use in their hard drives.

You can stick with your Streamyx for all your unlimited download needs. So what's your point of view?
Have you considered those who need to do occasional downloading, make important voip calls, stream radio channels and follow up with the latest news happening?

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This is about YTL's offering is it not? There are'nt any 4G/Wimax capable mobile phones in our market (like the HTC Evo) so I asked the question daaah. I have my doubts it will take off so soon. 3G is barely here.

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This is about YTL's offering is it not? There are'nt any 4G/Wimax capable mobile phones in our market (like the HTC Evo) so I asked the question daaah. I have my doubts it will take off so soon. 3G is barely here.
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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 5 2010, 06:58 PM)
Well the bandwidth hoggers which you're referring to are not those who just view bandwidth rich contents, stream videos/radio stations or those who only read pages in black and white.
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I've read this sentence about 5 times and still am unable to understand the point you are trying to put forth.

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 5 2010, 06:58 PM)
They download heaps of unhealthy porn contents and contents which they don't even have the time to use in their hard drives.
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So it's okay if I download lots of healthy porn which I have time to use? Content is content, regardless of whether or not it's "healthy" or no, as you put it.

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 5 2010, 06:58 PM)
You can stick with your Streamyx for all your unlimited download needs. So what's your point of view?
Have you considered those who need to do occasional downloading, make important voip calls, stream radio channels and follow up with the latest news happening?
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I'm not a Streamyx user. My point of view is as a person who wants our local Internet infrastructure to improve. The issue IMHO is that giving our local ISPs an excuse to throttle heavy users is a very very slippery slope. As it is, our local ISPs already have contention ratios and backbones that are below average at best. Saying that we give them the thumbs up for throttling will only cause them to increase contention ratios and as a result, continue to use existing backhauls for much longer - therefore slowing down improvement of local Internet speeds.

Your idea of throttling is a bad thing in a country like ours where there is no "real" competition to the incumbent Telekom Malaysia when it comes to true wired connectivity - and take into consideration that TM has been doing this for years with no repercussions (pretty much). Apply this idea of throttling in a country with open competition - doesn't matter which - and you will see that ISP go under VERY VERY quickly... Nobody wants to buy a car knowing that it only goes a total of 200km a month - think of it that way.
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QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 5 2010, 08:20 PM)
I've read this sentence about 5 times and still am unable to understand the point you are trying to put forth.

So it's okay if I download lots of healthy porn which I have time to use? Content is content, regardless of whether or not it's "healthy" or no, as you put it.

I'm not a Streamyx user. My point of view is as a person who wants our local Internet infrastructure to improve. The issue IMHO is that giving our local ISPs an excuse to throttle heavy users is a very very slippery slope. As it is, our local ISPs already have contention ratios and backbones that are below average at best. Saying that we give them the thumbs up for throttling will only cause them to increase contention ratios and as a result, continue to use existing backhauls for much longer - therefore slowing down improvement of local Internet speeds.

Your idea of throttling is a bad thing in a country like ours where there is no "real" competition to the incumbent Telekom Malaysia when it comes to true wired connectivity - and take into consideration that TM has been doing this for years with no repercussions (pretty much). Apply this idea of throttling in a country with open competition - doesn't matter which - and you will see that ISP go under VERY VERY quickly... Nobody wants to buy a car knowing that it only goes a total of 200km a month - think of it that way.
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Just because TM can't do it doesn't mean other can't. They can't do volume caps at certain hours in a day is because they have people aren't capable of managing their network properly but this doesn't mean other networks can't.

Remember that TM wasn't reluctant to do volume caps for years until mobile operators started doing so?

I'm telling this through my observation about complaints. People complain when they can't browse their favourite sites smoothly when they come back from work, and during the day. Most don't when they go to bed. The thing which is happening to TM's lousy network management is the opposite of what was mentioned. They make you frustrated when you are sitting in front of your computer at the right time but things eases up when you go to bed.
What for you want to subscribe a net connection which you won't get to use it most of the time?

Why not only release the volume cap and allow unlimited downloads during free hours instead when most normal users go to bed instead. Bandwidth hoggers can do whatever they want during that time when people go to sleep.

It's fair right? Everyone pays the same and deserve to get what they pay for equally.


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Agree! Yes is about convergence so any question regarding phones on Yes network is OK by me.
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They are going to implement the same unified phone number approach which is how Google Voice works.
One single number which rings on whichever phone/pc/netbook is logon when people call you up. So people will be able to get you wherever you are.
It sounds similar. Could it be that Google Voice will be teaming up with them? Sounds interesting.

Demo:


Throw away your old TM Homeline. Everything now works over IP.All we need now is a dedicated high speed connection.
Say buh bye to sms. People will use email, IM and even free value added services by telcos such as the next generation push to talk. Everything will route through the internet.All you need to pay is your internet bill.
Modern 4G networks is meant to be be data only.
Here's one nice Push To Talk App which works over 4G/3.5G+ networks.
TouchToTalk(TiKL). Why do we need to pay Maxis when such service should be free?


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Yeah, U-Mobile has been terrific. Right.
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umobile whats that ? can eat one ah ? lol..

umobile still alive ? thought they bungkus long time ago first with mitv then umobile with their funky number then ..

what is umobile doing now ah ?
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Throw away your old TM Homeline. Everything now works over IP.All we need now is a dedicated high speed connection.
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i lol at yr comments.. and i kinda doubt they can deliver what they preach..

if they can why hell yeah they just earn another customer who will glady part his hard earn money..

rather than giving to tmnuts
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 5 2010, 09:05 PM)
i lol at yr comments.. and i kinda doubt they can deliver what they preach..

if they can why hell yeah they just earn another customer who will glady part his hard earn money..

rather than giving to tmnuts
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We preach with liberty of speech.People have the right to discern whether it's pleasant to their ears or not.

Not force em onto your ears whether you want to hear or not.Those who can't make decisions for themselves can always stay with Streamyx!

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umobile whats that ? can eat one ah ? lol..

umobile still alive ? thought they bungkus long time ago first with mitv then umobile with their funky number then ..

what is umobile doing now ah ?
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Didn't you read the news? Singapore Government has indirect shares in it via STT.

The same company which also owns Starhub.

Now they're smart to focus on cities such as JB, Seremban, Klang Valley, Ipoh and Penang.You should have figured it out by now.
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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 5 2010, 08:55 PM)
Just because TM can't do it doesn't mean other can't. They can't do volume caps at certain hours in a day is because they have people aren't capable of managing their network properly but this doesn't mean other networks can't.

Remember that TM wasn't reluctant  to do volume caps for years until mobile operators started doing so?

I'm telling this through my observation about complaints. People complain when they can't browse their favourite sites smoothly when they come back from work, and during the day. Most don't when they go to bed. The thing which is happening to TM's lousy network management is the opposite of what was mentioned. They make you frustrated when you are sitting in front of your computer at the right time but things eases up when you go to bed.
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So you are saying that the issues that TM users are facing are PURELY because of bandwidth hoggers? Nothing to do with the fact that the contention ratio on Streamyx is something like 1:100?

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 5 2010, 08:55 PM)
What for you want to subscribe a net connection which you won't get to use it most of the time?

Why not only release the volume cap and allow unlimited downloads during free hours instead when most normal users go to bed instead. Bandwidth hoggers can do whatever they want during that time when people go to sleep.

It's fair right? Everyone pays the same and deserve to get what they pay for equally.
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Except what you are asking for isn't the same or equal? If I pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection and you pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection... why is it that I can't fully utilize it 24 hours a day just because you choose not to? So in other words, everyone is equal... but some people are more equal than others right?

In the same logic, if we both buy condos... but I choose not to live in my condo... that means you can't live in your condo either?
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for those who blame 'net hoggers' for the state of the internet service, i just want to tell you all that stop is the be smart. When TMNut. Celcom.Digi.Umobile.P1 etc sale market a a 4MB download broadband product, 100% customers who pay for the services should get maximum 4MB download for everything, 24x7 p0rn download included. the problem is not the 'net hoggers' when some users dont get 4MB as they pay for, its the service providers and the policy makers that they pay in the parliament to turn a blind eye on this. So dont be stupid by blaming other internet users. Your money do not go to them. you money go to the bank account of the service providers. Get them and again dont be stupid by blaming other users. get the policy maker that you vote into office to push for 90% average consistent market speed policy (which mean, if a service policy market and sale a 2MB broadband, 100% of the subcribers should get consistent average of minimum 90% (1.8MB) every milisecond for the entire duration of service for all type of usage - p2p sharing included. Its a pipe dream? If its a pipe dream and the service providers should be jailed for "fraud".
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yes will become p1. 4G is just marketing only. it the same wimax technology like amax and p1
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 6 2010, 10:47 AM)
for those who blame 'net hoggers' for the state of the internet service, i just want to tell you all that stop is the be smart. When TMNut. Celcom.Digi.Umobile.P1 etc sale market a a 4MB download broadband product, 100% customers who pay for the services should get maximum 4MB download for everything, 24x7 p0rn download included. the problem is not the 'net hoggers' when some users dont get 4MB as they pay for, its the service providers and the policy makers that they pay in the parliament to turn a blind eye on this. So dont be stupid by blaming other internet users. Your money do not go to them. you money go to the bank account of the service providers. Get them and again dont be stupid by blaming other users. get the policy maker that you vote into office to push for 90% average consistent market speed policy (which mean, if a service policy market and sale a 2MB broadband, 100% of the subcribers should get consistent average of minimum 90% (1.8MB) every milisecond for the entire duration of service for all type of usage - p2p sharing included. Its a pipe dream? If its a pipe dream and the service providers should be jailed for "fraud".
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TIME broadband is asking subscribers to pay more.

Price of TIME 1.5Mbps plan is RM128 per month. TIME is good in providing consistent retail broadband service based on my experience.

Price of Streamyx 1Mbps plan is RM88-RM99 per month

Basically subscribers (as a group) have to pay what they get. The question is who pay more relative to usage?
Streamyx model - everyone shares the cost. Price is relatively lower. This works as long as heavy users are kept in certain percentage.
TIME model - everyone pays premium price. Price is relatively higher but you use whatever you subscribe



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Mr. Lee, please train your forumers.   This is too obvious !
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g5sim I don't agree that P2P should not be controlled.

After all, this is used to download illegal stuff more often than web browsers.

It is also controlled in other countries (but that's irrelevant).

6GB Cap is ridiculous.
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This kind of blows. Pay-per-unit is the same as capped internet, same expense or more.

Any company offering high cap use?
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6gb cap is actually very generous..especially if you download at 0.1kb/s.
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So you are saying that the issues that TM users are facing are PURELY because of bandwidth hoggers? Nothing to do with the fact that the contention ratio on Streamyx is something like 1:100?
Put it simple for others to understand. You're saying that they're overselling their services.Which might be true too.
For a fixed line provider using DSL technology it's much easier to manage compared to wireless. Physical ports are fixed and you can easily justify how much bandwidth you need to feed for each DSLAM.

QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 5 2010, 10:49 PM)
Except what you are asking for isn't the same or equal? If I pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection and you pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection... why is it that I can't fully utilize it 24 hours a day just because you choose not to? So in other words, everyone is equal... but some people are more equal than others right?

In the same logic, if we both buy condos... but I choose not to live in my condo... that means you can't live in your condo either?
What're you're saying there is not practical and selfish. You pay for a buffet meal and you tell others you deserve to grab everything plate on the table set aside and everyone should do the same?Early bird gets the worm, finders keepers?Rat race competition?Strong lives weak die?

In such situation, there is a need of a proper intervention to avoid abuse.This is where the isps comes in before they end up losing even more subscribers than they could gain and close shop?

If we buy both condos and the condo has a limited capacity water tank for everyone to share. We pay the same monthly fee for the water bills only difference is that you open the tap 24/7 and let it flow. Everyday I come back from work hoping to take a relaxing shower only to find that water drips out only from my tap.Don't you think I deserve a good shower session? This is when the building management steps in to place a meter for everyone.

Now, this is from my observation. Most complaints made by users about slow internet usually happens during peak hours of the day from 10am to about 11pm every day. If an isp can manage their resources well enough by giving smooth access for everyone during these period, you would be able to see a mass reduction of complaints. This is why the volume cap must be implemented during peak hours so that everyone deserves something equal.
The other free hours during the morning from 12am till 9am you can take away the caps and have all you want.Only weirdos stay up that late on weekdays anyway.

All these but then again, you might be right about bandwidth overselling which is very true as well for the likes of TMnut. Where is MCMC role here to ensure such things doesn't happen?


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Only if they let me port my landline number to another service like they do with mobile numbers.
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I thought your customers usually get you on your mobile number more often then depending on fixed lines when you are on the move.
Why not turn your mobile number and make it your fixed line number instead?It only requires a change of phone equipment.
You definitely can't do that with your fixed line number.

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umobile whats that ? can eat one ah ? lol..

umobile still alive ? thought they bungkus long time ago first with mitv then umobile with their funky number then ..

what is umobile doing now ah ?
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I doubt this will be cheap. If you go with pay per use model, what's the rate like?

Current pay per use from other telco is already wayy expensive. even at 1 sen per 1Mb can get expensive after a while.

And wireless... how realiable is that? I preferred wired, thank you very much.
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That better not be internet rate (if mobile phone, understandable).

That's like RM10.25 for 1GB, ridiculously high.
10GB = RM103
50GB = RM513

*shudder*
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Excuse me, 0.1kbps? That's 0.00125kBps, 160x slower than my throttled (unusable) speed of 2kBps.

What kind of speed is that?


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I thought your customers usually get you on your mobile number more often then depending on fixed lines when you are on the move.
Why not turn your mobile number and make it your fixed line number instead?It only requires a change of phone equipment.
You definitely can't do that with your fixed line number.
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Too many friends and family still call on landline.
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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Nov 6 2010, 04:17 PM)
That better not be internet rate (if mobile phone, understandable).

That's like RM10.25 for 1GB, ridiculously high.
10GB = RM103
50GB = RM513

*shudder*
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Isn't this comparable to other wireless service providers like Digi, Celcom or Maxis?
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Same case with me.... notworthy.gif

Most of my family still using landline...
so, no choice.....
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6gb cap is actually very generous..especially if you download at 0.1kb/s.
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People need to understand 2 things. Scarcity of resources and economies of scale.

Bandwidth is a scarce resource while demand for bandwidth is infinite. Therefore putting bandwidth caps is responsible network management because you cannot sell what you don't have.

Building gateways, etc is not cheap. All ISPs implement contention ratios, where they oversell their bandwidth by a certain ratio so that more people can share the cost. E.g. Selling 10Mbps package to 50 people when your network can only cope with 10Mbps. That would give a contention ratio of 5 : 1. The idea being not everyone needs that bandwidth every time. I could be wrong about this calculation, but the idea is there. sweat.gif

This is how ISPs around the world can sell broadband at a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I think we can all see how the contention ratio principle falls apart when people start downloading 24/7.

I think that buffet example is an apt one. Not perfect, but close.

Streamyx is like an open buffet right now. 1 person walks in and takes the whole buffet spread for himself, leaving nothing for everyone else.

Even then, in a buffet, your stomach is limited and the restaurant can charge you for wastage if you don't finish what you take, so people cannot hog.

Unfortunately, regarding bandwidth, people can keep deleting, download, delete, download, buy new hard drive, download so there is no limit to how much they can download. There's no way to check for wastage as well, as I'm sure many people don't even use everything that they download. So in this Streamyx "buffet", this 1 person can keep hogging the whole buffet spread for himself and leaves nothing for everyone else.

Therefore, bandwidth caps are the way to go. If you want to exceed that bandwidth and are willing to pay for it, I think the idea of purchasing additional bandwidth is a good idea.

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People need to understand 2 things. Scarcity of resources and economies of scale.

Bandwidth is a scarce resource while demand for bandwidth is infinite. Therefore putting bandwidth caps is responsible network management because you cannot sell what you don't have.

Building gateways, etc is not cheap. All ISPs implement contention ratios, where they oversell their bandwidth by a certain ratio so that more people can share the cost. E.g. Selling 10Mbps package to 50 people when your network can only cope with 10Mbps. That would give a contention ratio of 5 : 1. The idea being not everyone needs that bandwidth every time. I could be wrong about this calculation, but the idea is there. sweat.gif

This is how ISPs around the world can sell broadband at a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I think we can all see how the contention ratio principle falls apart when people start downloading 24/7.

I think that buffet example is an apt one. Not perfect, but close.

Streamyx is like an open buffet right now. 1 person walks in and takes the whole buffet spread for himself, leaving nothing for everyone else.

Even then, in a buffet, your stomach is limited and the restaurant can charge you for wastage if you don't finish what you take, so people cannot hog.

Unfortunately, regarding bandwidth, people can keep deleting, download, delete, download, buy new hard drive, download so there is no limit to how much they can download. There's no way to check for wastage as well, as I'm sure many people don't even use everything that they download. So in this Streamyx "buffet", this 1 person can keep hogging the whole buffet spread for himself and leaves nothing for everyone else.

Therefore, bandwidth caps are the way to go. If you want to exceed that bandwidth and are willing to pay for it, I think the idea of purchasing additional bandwidth is a good idea.
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That's very true ++Newbie++. thumbup.gif

Nothing get your customer most irate than not being able to:

1) Load sites smoothly and properly
2) Stream videos without pauses every few seconds
3) Update your antivirus/apps/windows
4) Play online games with high latencies
5) Hear your favourite radio station/podcast
6) Read your favourite news updates/feeds
7) Post a reply in forums
8) Make an important voip call when you desperately need it the most
9) Reply your friend on something important and eagerly hear from her/him on IM

Most internet users who complains usually falls in those categories. Downloading large files such as movies, pornographic materials in HD should fall in the less priority category.If you can satisfy the general majority of them by making the net experience pleasant for those points above you should be able to keep most happy.

I am not saying that people should not download but not till the extent that they download heaps of large files continuously 24/7 when they don't even get to watch them. Some do it for their own profit of selling them. They should consider dedicated corporate lines then.
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confuse..how to use YES if no sim card? special phone or device? because in their web dont mention anything about device that will able to use YES network

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 6 2010, 01:54 PM)
Put it simple for others to understand. You're saying that they're overselling their services.Which might be true too.
For a fixed line provider using DSL technology it's much easier to manage compared to wireless. Physical ports are fixed and you can easily justify how much bandwidth you need to feed for each DSLAM.
What're you're saying there is not practical and selfish. You pay for a buffet meal and you tell others you deserve to grab everything plate on the table set aside and everyone should do the same?Early bird gets the worm, finders keepers?Rat race competition?Strong lives weak die?

In such situation, there is a need of a proper intervention to avoid abuse.This is where the isps comes in before they end up losing even more subscribers than they could gain and close shop?
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ISPs by default WILL oversell their bandwidth. That's just part of life. The only bandwidth that isn't oversold or has no contention ratio is leased circuits.

What I'm saying is, (some) ISPs take advantage of the contention ratio - too much advantage. An acceptable contention ratio is 1:20 which is what TIMEdotCom is going with the last time I checked. If they have 1Mbps of bandwidth, they a 1Mbps connection to 20 people. As a result, you have 20 happy customers - DESPITE the fact that TIMEdotCom up till today has a maximum of 6Mbps Internet widely available.

To clarify, all Internet connections ALREADY HAVE BANDWIDTH CAPS. It's just simple math; a 1.5Mbps connection will max out at approximately 400GB+ month. No matter how a 1.5Mbps connection user chooses to abuse this connection, his cap is there. My main peeve is with ISPs throwing out big numbers when it comes to bandwidth 10Mbps, 8Mbps, 11Mbps, and then applying a data cap that could easily be hit by a connection that is 10% of their advertised speed. If you are unable to support those speeds, don't market them.

Hey guys, I'm selling a Ferrari here... but you can only drive it 200 km a month, otherwise it turns into a Kancil. You still pay for a Ferrari though!!!

That is my opinion of a secondary data cap.

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If we buy both condos and the condo has a limited capacity water tank for everyone to share. We pay the same monthly fee for the water bills only difference is that you open the tap 24/7 and let it flow. Everyday I come back from work hoping to take a relaxing shower only to find that water drips out only from my tap.Don't you think I deserve a good shower session? This is when the building management steps in to place a meter for everyone.
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I'm not exactly sure which condo has a fixed equal monthly fee for water... or no supply from the mains... but that's beside the point.

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 6 2010, 01:54 PM)
Now, this is from my observation. Most complaints made by users about slow internet usually happens during peak hours of the day from 10am to about 11pm every day. If an isp can manage their resources well enough by giving smooth access for everyone during these period, you would be able to see a mass reduction of complaints. This is why the volume cap must be implemented during peak hours so that everyone deserves something equal.
The other free hours during the morning from 12am till 9am you can take away the caps and have all you want.Only weirdos stay up that late on weekdays anyway.

All these but then again, you might be right about bandwidth overselling which is very true as well for the likes of TMnut. Where is MCMC role here to ensure such things doesn't happen?

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If an ISP can really manage their resources well enough, everyone would get smooth access REGARDLESS of whether or not there are bandwidth hogs. The volume cap is something that at the end of the day benefits an ISP a lot more than it would benefit the actual consumers. Believe me when I say that there are bandwidth hogs on TIMEdotCom infrastructure, but oddly, there are very rarely people complaining?

Unfortunately for us, MCMC has no power over what contention ratio an ISP chooses. The best that MCMC (in theory) has the power to open the last-mile to allow open competition - but it has taken us about 15 years of fighting to get them to "semi-open" the last-mile to Jaring. Open competition would (most likely) result in people hopping from TM to whatever other ISP isn't run by a bunch of retards (that all drive Merc S classes for some strange reason). Unfortunately, true open competition will likely never happen here - certain people who receive $$$ from TM sit in certain very important chairs.

So, we're all left bickering about our Internet speed while South Korea continues to leave us behind - when in actuality, Malaysia adopted the Internet before South Korea smile.gif
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Isn't this comparable to other wireless service providers like Digi, Celcom or Maxis?
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I meant comparable from a pricing point of view.

In a Pay-As-You-Go model, there should not be any slowdown because there would be no cap.
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In a PAY AS YOU GO MODEL, you pay what you use hence I don't believe there will be any fair usage policy involved since there is no quota. You will get the maximum throughput available you can get at best effort.

However, I believe bandwidth throttling for P2P and torrent might still be applicable when congestion occurs.

I don't think anyone will use a PAY AS YOU GO MODEL to perform torrent ... unless you are extremely rich.

Currently Maxis 3G rate is "1 cent per 1kB" for pay per use, we will see how much YES will be charging.

I saw my bill monthly for my regular usage exceed RM1k if not with a package.
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for those who blame 'net hoggers' for the state of the internet service, i just want to tell you all that stop is the be smart. When TMNut. Celcom.Digi.Umobile.P1 etc sale market a a 4MB download broadband product, 100% customers who pay for the services should get maximum 4MB download for everything, 24x7 p0rn download included. the problem is not the 'net hoggers' when some users dont get 4MB as they pay for, its the service providers and the policy makers that they pay in the parliament to turn a blind eye on this. So dont be stupid by blaming other internet users. Your money do not go to them. you money go to the bank account of the service providers. Get them and again dont be stupid by blaming other users. get the policy maker that you vote into office to push for 90% average consistent market speed policy (which mean, if a service policy market and sale a 2MB broadband, 100% of the subcribers should get consistent average of minimum 90% (1.8MB) every milisecond for the entire duration of service for all type of usage - p2p sharing included. Its a pipe dream? If its a pipe dream and the service providers should be jailed for "fraud".
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It's not the first ISP that has that bandwidth problem in Malaysia.

If you have the chance, maybe try to setup an ISP company and provide the service you said our ISP should. I will sure subscribe (assuming the price is still ~RM100).

I believe the ISP in Malaysia is buying leased line for their backhaul at about RM 2-3k per Mbps (subject to negotiation) from the leased line provider.

If you can provide 4 Mbps to every subscriber at RM200 with maximum 4Mbps download for everything 24x7 p0rn download included ... I'm your customer.

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Move into a TIMEdotCom serviced condo then smile.gif

Been enjoying good service for 10 years now.
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Currently Maxis 3G rate is "1 cent per 1kB" for pay per use, we will see how much YES will be charging.

I saw my bill monthly for my regular usage exceed RM1k if not with a package.
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Yikes!!!

At 1 sen per 1KB that's RM10K+ for 1GB!!!

I don't think YES would be charging that much.
They'll price themselves out of the market at that price.
Besides, they'll be using wimax which is a data centric network.

Probably in future, YES will also launch an All-You-Can-Eat model for a flat discounted rate.
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 7 2010, 12:12 PM)
Yikes!!!

At 1 sen per 1KB that's RM10K+ for 1GB!!!

I don't think YES would be charging that much.
They'll price themselves out of the market at that price.
Besides, they'll be using wimax which is a data centric network.

Probably in future, YES will also launch an All-You-Can-Eat model for a flat discounted rate.
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Yup... all-you-can-eat... even buffet have their own rules, no leftover food...

But for BB, i think they sure will throttle or at least Fair Usage Policy...


Every BB in the world is overselling bandwidth, which is logic...
But with the high ratio of Heavy User against Light User, overselling bandwidth would sure makes the line congested...



I think thats y they only rule out the "Pay For What You Use", so there wont be heavy user and their line wont get congested...


Just accept the fact and be grateful for what you have...
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So u can download 24/7 with maximum speed with the timedotcom ?

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That better not be internet rate (if mobile phone, understandable).

That's like RM10.25 for 1GB, ridiculously high.
10GB = RM103
50GB = RM513

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how power is this...

u can use 1 ID (018-xxxxxxx) into ur pc, mobile... etc at the same time..

i d pikc a GOOD NO. rclxm9.gif

MOST IMPORTANT can use as FON as well as SMS, MMS..

wow!! not bad hv a try but still wan c the RATE 1st...

wait the the 19th NOV coming



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umobile whats that ? can eat one ah ? lol..

umobile still alive ? thought they bungkus long time ago first with mitv then umobile with their funky number then ..

what is umobile doing now ah ?
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oh, yes.my got a ytl own speedtest program?

http://www.yes.my/en/why-yes/speed-test.aspx
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been using umobile broadband since it first came out, so good not many ppl know about it coz at first there wasnt any FUP hehe
speed also good. now they just launched 42mbps hspa  thumbup.gif
but coverage  doh.gif
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they will partnership with SAMSUNG later launch more SIMLESS fons..
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This YES is YTL's new service? Looking to get new BB as my TMNet still slow ... and I can't get unifi and 4mbps is not available in my neighborhood. Any idea how fast their service is tech wise? So far as long as it is as fast as my work line I am happy and thats running at 5mbps. smile.gif
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yeah, now ppl now more concern on PRICE, STABILITY, SPEED & COVERAGE area...

they will partnership with SAMSUNG later launch more SIMLESS fons..
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you see they just can't say no to mr lee. so all yes man la, just like the product.
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It's always been that rate roughly if you do take pay per use.

But I do recall most telco will cap that per use at RM250? I know maxis do that, but not sure if others do so. But yes, pay per use is very very expensive. THat's why most telco offer internet plan with capping. You don't want capping? You pay for it.
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just hope ytl branding won't bring down by this new product - BB services. laugh.gif
and also hope don't like P1 wimax, promote until so gao, end up can't handle the user growth
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Yikes!!!

At 1 sen per 1KB that's RM10K+ for 1GB!!!

I don't think YES would be charging that much.
They'll price themselves out of the market at that price.
Besides, they'll be using wimax which is a data centric network.

Probably in future, YES will also launch an All-You-Can-Eat model for a flat discounted rate.
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I just checked Maxis 3G website, they revise to become RM0.10 per 10kB. They claim it's the industry standard.

Note that "RM0.01 per 1kB" and "RM0.10 per 10kB" are not the same because per block is 10kB, even if you use 8kB, it's counted as 10kB minimal.

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Really hope YES can do better than this.

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Nov 6 2010, 04:17 PM)
That better not be internet rate (if mobile phone, understandable).

That's like RM10.25 for 1GB, ridiculously high.
10GB = RM103
50GB = RM513

*shudder*
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RM10/1GB is cheap enough. i would sign up right away since my usage monthly circa 3GB++ only. smile.gif

digi internet = RM68/3GB
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Only for the past 10 years...
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Is not just those illegal download stuffs or pxrn. Just think of HD movies, is takes about 2gb or more, how bout HD video calls? This kind of things does use up a lot of capacity. We want more capacity, 6GB is just too less for us. I think problem is the charges still high on here, if low usage, maybe a simple RM30 for 5gb for normal user, while some heavy comes to 10gb above charge like RM88.
We can always pay for heavy usage, but if ISP still keeping like 6BG at over RM100 permonth, then no point. While those normal surf charge at below RM50, but wait those are so call very normal user, like 56K user.
I don't fussy on 4G or 3G, as long they can provide a good price and speed will do. A good 2mb will do good for me.
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hi all,

do we need a modem to use YES like P1? if a modem is needed then how do we use YES in our mobile phone? so can IPHONE 4 use YES?

according to their website www.yes.my , we can even use IPAD, IPOD TOUCH to surf net by using YES. if like that, no modem is needed, as IPOD doesnt have usb port. if both YES and P1 using same technology, WIMAX, why P1 need a modem whereas YES doesn't ?

http://www.yes.my/en/why-yes/more-reasons-...to-say-yes.aspx

"Now, you can stream high-quality videos on your phone, or send and receive SMS on your laptop – or make calls from either one. You can even use Yes 4G on other Wi-Fi-enabled devices, like the iPad, PlayStation Portable and iPod Touch! " -- this sentence was copied from the above link

so does it means YES is just like WIFI but the coverage is lot bigger? (lets say WIFI only covers radius 50m but YES can cover radius up to few km). as long as we switch on WIFI mode on our handphone, laptop, ipad or ipod touch and detect YES, then just log on with YES id and password, and it's done ! am i right?

pls comment

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Only for the past 10 years...
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I reek of jealousy. But I have Unifi now. tongue.gif

Before Unifi, Time is well known for having the biggest fiber optic network in the country and the most underutilised network as well.

How much are you paying for it?
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I reek of jealousy. But I have Unifi now. tongue.gif

Before Unifi, Time is well known for having the biggest fiber optic network in the country and the most underutilised network as well.

How much are you paying for it?
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Unfortunately, TIME over the past couple of years has deteriorated and become one of those companies that takes 5 years to roll out new things. Hopefully now with the merger with AIMS/GlobalTransit things will change and they'll roll out their fibre solution a little faster.
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Yes is marketing on the fact that they charge you according to use, like electricity. A little throwback into the past, I feel.

My family pretty much uses the internet 24/7. If the total amount is still cheaper than TM's true value then it's not as bad as it sounds.

But if it's like Dailup jaring again.... /tehhorror
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time biggest fiber optic?

sorry that honour have always gone to tm, telekom malaysia before it and jabatan telekom malaysia at the beginning.

time has never had the density nor the coverage as wide as tm.

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I just checked Maxis 3G website, they revise to become RM0.10 per 10kB. They claim it's the industry standard.

Note that "RM0.01 per 1kB" and "RM0.10 per 10kB" are not the same because per block is 10kB, even if you use 8kB, it's counted as 10kB minimal.

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Really hope YES can do better than this.
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The rest of the pricing options.
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QUOTE(nikonfan @ Nov 9 2010, 01:52 AM)
hi all,

do we need a modem to use YES like P1? if a modem is needed then how do we use YES in our mobile phone? so can IPHONE 4 use YES?

according to their website www.yes.my , we can even use IPAD, IPOD TOUCH to surf net by using YES. if like that, no modem is needed, as IPOD doesnt have usb port. if both YES and P1 using same technology, WIMAX, why P1 need a modem whereas YES doesn't ?

http://www.yes.my/en/why-yes/more-reasons-...to-say-yes.aspx

"Now, you can stream high-quality videos on your phone, or send and receive SMS on your laptop – or make calls from either one. You can even use Yes 4G on other Wi-Fi-enabled devices, like the iPad, PlayStation Portable and iPod Touch! " --  this sentence was copied from the above link

so does it means YES is just like WIFI but the coverage is lot bigger? (lets say WIFI only covers radius 50m but YES can cover radius up to few km). as long as we switch on WIFI mode  on our handphone, laptop, ipad or ipod touch and detect YES, then just log on with YES id and password, and it's done ! am i right?

pls comment
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Where is it stated?
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But I'm guessing they are referring to when you use their Huddle mifi device to connect your iPad, iPod etc
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QUOTE(nikonfan @ Nov 9 2010, 01:52 AM)
hi all,

do we need a modem to use YES like P1? if a modem is needed then how do we use YES in our mobile phone? so can IPHONE 4 use YES?

according to their website www.yes.my , we can even use IPAD, IPOD TOUCH to surf net by using YES. if like that, no modem is needed, as IPOD doesnt have usb port. if both YES and P1 using same technology, WIMAX, why P1 need a modem whereas YES doesn't ?

http://www.yes.my/en/why-yes/more-reasons-...to-say-yes.aspx

"Now, you can stream high-quality videos on your phone, or send and receive SMS on your laptop – or make calls from either one. You can even use Yes 4G on other Wi-Fi-enabled devices, like the iPad, PlayStation Portable and iPod Touch! " --  this sentence was copied from the above link

so does it means YES is just like WIFI but the coverage is lot bigger? (lets say WIFI only covers radius 50m but YES can cover radius up to few km). as long as we switch on WIFI mode  on our handphone, laptop, ipad or ipod touch and detect YES, then just log on with YES id and password, and it's done ! am i right?

pls comment
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it use something called mifi.... which technically means it is a mobile wifi hotspot...
in simple laymen term it changes wimax to wifi then ur iphone ipad psp or laptop can connect to it
now digi also offering something like that but instead of wimax it use 3g then rebroadcast it in to wifi

if i am not mistaken.. the product name is YES Huddle, which the normal home modem is called YES Zoom plus wimax dongle YES GO and 4G phone YES Buzz

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QUOTE(joevo2 @ Nov 9 2010, 06:03 PM)
it use something called mifi.... which technically means it is a mobile wifi hotspot...
in simple laymen term it changes wimax to wifi then ur iphone ipad psp or laptop can connect to it
now digi also offering something like that but instead of wimax it use 3g then rebroadcast it in to wifi

if i am not mistaken.. the product name is YES Huddle, which the normal home modem is called YES Zoom  plus wimax dongle YES GO and 4G phone YES Buzz
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thanks for the info !

so that means we have to carry a device along wherever we go in order for our iphone to use, right?

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i just receive free YES ID from YES with free 300MB/month usage =D
looking foward to it
the ID is given by my university

wondering how do i use it on my phone O_O to make call ? sms? if my phone does not support 4G

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thanks for the info !

so that means we have to carry a device along wherever we go in order for our iphone to use, right?
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QUOTE(gstoh @ Nov 10 2010, 02:24 AM)
i just receive free YES ID from YES with free 300MB/month usage =D
looking foward to it
the ID is given by my university

wondering how do i use it on my phone O_O to make call ? sms? if my phone does not support 4G
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You need to get the WiMAX Phone in order to make call & sms.
You need to get the WiMAX modem, dongle or the mifi to surf the internet.

No, you cannot use your iPhone to surf without the mifi.

But it doesn't make sense if you are existing iPhone user with data plan.

1. If you subscribe to iPhone, you can subscribe to the data plan as well, why want to subscribe to another data plan with YES?
2. You will need to bring another device in your pocket (mifi), also doesn't make sense.

The idea is like a solar power torch light in Stephen Chow's movie tongue.gif
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From 2000-2002: RM1399 for 2Mbps Enterprise SDSL
From 2003-2005: RM418 for 512Kbps Enterprise SDSL
From 2006-2008: RM138 for 512Kbps Consumer SDSL
From 2009-2010: RM99 for 2Mbps/512Kbps Consumer xDSL
From 2010-current: RM138 for 1.5Mbps/1.5Mbps Consumer xDSL

Unfortunately, TIME over the past couple of years has deteriorated and become one of those companies that takes 5 years to roll out new things. Hopefully now with the merger with AIMS/GlobalTransit things will change and they'll roll out their fibre solution a little faster.
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I see. Seems the 2010 prices is a bit of a rip off. You're paying more for less, compared to 2009?

QUOTE(ihsan @ Nov 9 2010, 04:43 PM)
time biggest fiber optic?

sorry that honour have always gone to tm, telekom malaysia before it and jabatan telekom malaysia at the beginning.

time has never had the density nor the coverage as wide as tm.
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Is it? Then I guess I may have misread that article. Perhaps it was "largest most underutilised fiber optic network" as opposed to "largest and most underutilised fiber optic network". Lol.
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i wouldn't say underutilized. it depends on where the fiber is being utilized. if we're talking cities, then time probably is running at capacity. fiber laid for long-haul transport i.e. (inter-cities) is probably underutilized by your definition but as transport mechanism i.e. dwdm, otn, mpls-tp etc grow in maturity, you can expect bandwidth to become cheaper and fibers being snapped up.

that is definitely true in time's case as metro ethernet bandwidth prices are way way cheaper than what tm is offering.

typical ROI of fiber is between 20-30 years depending on operators. so in time, those unlit fiber will eventually be utilized either leased to another party or for internal use.

fiber are laid in quantity so that we don't have to korek jalan and laid them all again whenever capacity is reached. so this sort of forward planning is one might misconstrue as underutilization but is definitely not the case.

you can never have too many fiber. average civil works to lay a fiber is rm 200k per km (only 10-20% are perhaps the fiber cost) and that is only on non-trunk road like the one in your housing estate or shophouses. for highways and federal roads, costs are way way higher. so it makes sense to lump in fiber in quantity the first time you're doing it.

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 10 2010, 07:33 AM)
You need to get the WiMAX Phone in order to make call & sms.
You need to get the WiMAX modem, dongle or the mifi to surf the internet.

No, you cannot use your iPhone to surf without the mifi.

But it doesn't make sense if you are existing iPhone user with data plan.

1. If you subscribe to iPhone, you can subscribe to the data plan as well, why want to subscribe to another data plan with YES?
2. You will need to bring another device in your pocket (mifi), also doesn't make sense.

The idea is like a solar power torch light in Stephen Chow's movie tongue.gif
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you can use ur iphone to surf even though u dun have the mifi, but u are not getting their yes speed. u can use their yes life to make calls,sms and so on but u are only using ur 3g operators speed.

Benifits is their call rate might be cheaper..

1. Speed
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very confuse..no need their device and yet can call or sms and without simcard some more?? em...
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very confuse..no need their device and yet can call or sms and without simcard some more??  em...
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Maybe not the normal call and sms but messaging and calls through the internet perhaps? hmm.gif
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Maybe not the normal call and sms but messaging and calls through the internet perhaps?  hmm.gif
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they use internet to call.. jus like skype
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I see. Seems the 2010 prices is a bit of a rip off. You're paying more for less, compared to 2009?
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2010 is a retail package. In a way it wasn't technically a huge loss... I really like the 1.5Mbps upstream, worth the 512kbps sacrifice on the downstream IMO.
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they use internet to call.. jus like skype
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 6 2010, 10:47 AM)
for those who blame 'net hoggers' for the state of the internet service, i just want to tell you all that stop is the be smart. When TMNut. Celcom.Digi.Umobile.P1 etc sale market a a 4MB download broadband product, 100% customers who pay for the services should get maximum 4MB download for everything, 24x7 p0rn download included. the problem is not the 'net hoggers' when some users dont get 4MB as they pay for, its the service providers and the policy makers that they pay in the parliament to turn a blind eye on this. So dont be stupid by blaming other internet users. Your money do not go to them. you money go to the bank account of the service providers. Get them and again dont be stupid by blaming other users.

I think you are also living in your own dream world. You're not referring to a pipe dream, you're referring to an utopia dream world where resources are infinite. Yes, telco advertisements have a lot of lies. I agree with you on that. But to draw a parallel, they are just restaurants that offer 'all-you-can-eat' at a fixed price, and the customer expects the kitchen to have unlimited stock of every ingredient. Who is the fool in that scenario?

QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 5 2010, 10:49 PM)
So you are saying that the issues that TM users are facing are PURELY because of bandwidth hoggers? Nothing to do with the fact that the contention ratio on Streamyx is something like 1:100?

Except what you are asking for isn't the same or equal? If I pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection and you pay RM100 for a 2Mbps connection... why is it that I can't fully utilize it 24 hours a day just because you choose not to? So in other words, everyone is equal... but some people are more equal than others right?

I read your blog, I read your Twitter, and read your posts in this forum. You're right about over-subscription, and you're right about a lot of technical things, you're right about telco advertisement lies, but I think you got a typical hypocritical Malaysian mentality. "I pay for buffet so I should be able to eat how much I want". I buy land freehold, so I build your house however tall and however ugly I want? I pay good money to buy an expensive speaker set, so I blast it however loud I want? I can pasang lights outside my house, so I fix glaring stadium lights to shine 24-hours? I'm not in any way condoning the unscrupulous tactics of telcos, but your thinking is similar to the guy I quoted above, which is to be honest, isn't very reasonable.

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 6 2010, 01:54 PM)
If we buy both condos and the condo has a limited capacity water tank for everyone to share. We pay the same monthly fee for the water bills only difference is that you open the tap 24/7 and let it flow. Everyday I come back from work hoping to take a relaxing shower only to find that water drips out only from my tap.Don't you think I deserve a good shower session? This is when the building management steps in to place a meter for everyone.

You mirror what I think, and I agree with your idea on traffic management during daylight/night hours. That's the principle of how a 'smart grid' works anyway, Wikipedia the term if you're interested. Hope YTL does this, but since they say they don't control or throttle their pipes, I don't think they'll have this.

QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Nov 6 2010, 05:56 PM)
People need to understand 2 things. Scarcity of resources and economies of scale.

Bandwidth is a scarce resource while demand for bandwidth is infinite. Therefore putting bandwidth caps is responsible network management because you cannot sell what you don't have.

Building gateways, etc is not cheap. All ISPs implement contention ratios, where they oversell their bandwidth by a certain ratio so that more people can share the cost. E.g. Selling 10Mbps package to 50 people when your network can only cope with 10Mbps. That would give a contention ratio of 5 : 1. The idea being not everyone needs that bandwidth every time. I could be wrong about this calculation, but the idea is there. sweat.gif

This is how ISPs around the world can sell broadband at a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I think we can all see how the contention ratio principle falls apart when people start downloading 24/7.

I think that buffet example is an apt one. Not perfect, but close.

Streamyx is like an open buffet right now. 1 person walks in and takes the whole buffet spread for himself, leaving nothing for everyone else.

Even then, in a buffet, your stomach is limited and the restaurant can charge you for wastage if you don't finish what you take, so people cannot hog.

Unfortunately, regarding bandwidth, people can keep deleting, download, delete, download, buy new hard drive, download so there is no limit to how much they can download. There's no way to check for wastage as well, as I'm sure many people don't even use everything that they download. So in this Streamyx "buffet", this 1 person can keep hogging the whole buffet spread for himself and leaves nothing for everyone else.

Therefore, bandwidth caps are the way to go. If you want to exceed that bandwidth and are willing to pay for it, I think the idea of purchasing additional bandwidth is a good idea.
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You also have the right idea I feel. It's comforting to know not all Malaysians have a gutter mentality. Go work around South East Asia, the people in those countries always say: "Malaysia never fight for anything, no wars. That's why they expect everything to come easily without effort." I feel so hurt when the Vietnamese (French, USA), Indonesians (Dutch), Cambodia (Pol Pot), Myanmar (civil war), Philippines (Dutch, USA) etc say this, because it is true. We Malaysians always so damn greedy with our utopia thinking and complain we don't have enough, when we actually have so much more than others.

QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 6 2010, 07:26 PM)
Hey guys, I'm selling a Ferrari here... but you can only drive it 200 km a month, otherwise it turns into a Kancil. You still pay for a Ferrari though!!!

You got the analogy wrong here. You didn't buy a Ferrari (enterprise gigabit fibre channel DWDM), you bought a Honda Kap (consumer broadband). You're expecting a Honda Kap to go at the speed and performance of a Ferrari. The result is obvious.

Oh and by the way, the 'Enterprise SDSL' you mentioned isn't enterprise grade at all, it's a crappy consumer-grade best effort line, that's why it's so cheap. For an equivalent vehicle maybe I'd say SDSL is like a Proton Wira? tongue.gif

QUOTE(Sophiera @ Nov 9 2010, 02:19 PM)
Yes is marketing on the fact that they charge you according to use, like electricity. A little throwback into the past, I feel.

I think this YTL fellows have been in the electricity business for long enough. Simple economics dictates that you pay for what you use, and Internet has become a commodity service like water/electricity. Want to use more water, pay for it. Same with electricity, same for Internet. I don't see why anyone has any case to complain, and YTL will make more money of the heavy users so these guys (or girls) pay for the infrastructure they use. I think it's fair when they say they got no cap or throttling, why would they want to do that? You use more, you pay more, they make more, it'd be stupid to throttle your own revenue stream isn't it?

The throttling method doesn't make sense either. Why would I want to degrade a customer's experience? Why not let the customer self-moderate themselves with pay-per-use? I just have to guarantee that the extra you pay me goes into scaling up the experience to what you're paying for (in terms of infrastructure cost). Sounds reasonable to me.
QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 10 2010, 07:33 AM)
No, you cannot use your iPhone to surf without the mifi.

But it doesn't make sense if you are existing iPhone user with data plan.

1. If you subscribe to iPhone, you can subscribe to the data plan as well, why want to subscribe to another data plan with YES?
2. You will need to bring another device in your pocket (mifi), also doesn't make sense.
Check out Verizon's iPad+mifi advertisement. Having a bandwidth intensive device means you would want to have a pipe to a high bandwidth network, right? Just because your iPhone comes with a data plan from Maxis/Digi means you treat Yes as 'another plan'? Why not buy a iPhone+mifi and use YTL's network to make call via wifi? Plus now I can use Facetime, which I can't with Maxis/Digi crappy 3G? Sounds good in theory... tongue.gif

A lot of testosterone-filled posts, boys. wub.gif No intention to start a flame war, but some comments base their principles on childish thinking. I'm more worried about coverage and the per MB price, if those 2 are ok it makes sense to go for their pay-per-use, high-speed mobile internet.

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I read your blog, I read your Twitter, and read your posts in this forum. You're right about over-subscription, and you're right about a lot of technical things, you're right about telco advertisement lies, but I think you got a typical hypocritical Malaysian mentality. "I pay for buffet so I should be able to eat how much I want". I buy land freehold, so I build your house however tall and however ugly I want? I pay good money to buy an expensive speaker set, so I blast it however loud I want? I can pasang lights outside my house, so I fix glaring stadium lights to shine 24-hours? I'm not in any way condoning the unscrupulous tactics of telcos, but your thinking is similar to the guy I quoted above, which is to be honest, isn't very reasonable.
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I'm try to think I'm not a typical hypocritical Malaysian unfortunately, I like to think of myself as a someone who expects Company A to deliver B when they say they are going to deliver B. I'm fairly certain if you read my posts closely, the majority of them (or quite possibly all) are based on "quotes" of others, whether or not those quotes will hold up or no is another question.

And at the end of the day, would you pay for a buffet if it isn't all you can eat? (I would then write another post about how you can't call it a buffet if it isn't all you can eat).

(a) Freehold land + tall and ugly: It is your land, you did pay for it, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder... I'd say go for it.
(b) If you have the money to buy an expensive speaker set, you would also invest in soundproofing... beyond which, there are laws about disturbing your neighbours. This is possibly your weakest example.
© Stadium lights: As long as your lights aren't shining into my bathroom, you are good to go!


QUOTE(Forum-Modding Newb @ Nov 11 2010, 11:22 PM)
You got the analogy wrong here. You didn't buy a Ferrari (enterprise gigabit fibre channel DWDM), you bought a Honda Kap (consumer broadband). You're expecting a Honda Kap to go at the speed and performance of a Ferrari. The result is obvious.reasonable.
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My analogy was directed at multiple usage caps for a single connection... not at actual performance. I'm not very sure how you managed to extract the performance/speed comparison from it. The analogy would still make sense if you replaced the Ferrari in my example with a Honda Cup. I sell you a Honda Cup for RM5000, but if you go further than 200KM, it turns into a bicycle. Again, no mention of performance or speed at which you go. I see your point, and agree with it... but at no point did I attempt to disagree with that logic.

QUOTE(Forum-Modding Newb @ Nov 11 2010, 11:22 PM)
A lot of testosterone-filled posts, boys. wub.gif No intention to start a flame war, but some comments base their principles on childish thinking. I'm more worried about coverage and the per MB price, if those 2 are ok it makes sense to go for their pay-per-use, high-speed mobile internet.
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I think you confuse testosterone filled with actual good discussion, which is what the forum is really for (instead of posts containing "HE HE HE YA LE..." and similar). I don't sense any gnashing of teeth here...
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Slight hiccup with interconnect on certain blocks of numbers.
I received the following email this morning.

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Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for pre-registering your Yes ID. On 19th November 2010 we will be launching the fastest 4G mobile internet with voice which is 3 to 5 times faster than the current 3G providers.

At the point of registration at our website, www.yes.my, you have successfully selected a 018 number of your choice which allows you to make and receive calls within our Yes network as well as to other network operators.

It is interconnect that allows us to make and receive calls to other network operators. Temporarily we are experiencing interconnect issue with these two blocks of numbers. Those number blocks are from the 018-331xxxx and 018-332xxxx series.

However we are pleased to inform you, this issue will be resolved by the first week of December 2010. Rest assured this interconnect issue would not affect the making or receiving of voice calls within the Yes network. These affected 018 numbers will be unable to make or receive calls from other network operators.

As such there are two options available;

Option 1:
We will be able to assist in either obtaining a different number whereby you will be able to make and receive calls from other network operators. If you prefer to change the number, the range of number that is available will be from 018-306xxxx whilst the last four digits will remain the same as the last four digits of your previously selected number.

Option 2:
You may retain the current number and enjoy making calls to other network operators once the interconnect issue has been resolved.

Kindly revert to us by Monday, 15th November 2010; by emailing us at yescare@yes.my If we have not heard from you, we would assume that you wish to retain your previously selected number.

We apologize for any inconvenience caused and thank you once again for supporting Yes.


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This is a good start.
At least they keep you posted of issues and changes rather than let you find out yourselves later.

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Check out Verizon's iPad+mifi advertisement. Having a bandwidth intensive device means you would want to have a pipe to a high bandwidth network, right? Just because your iPhone comes with a data plan from Maxis/Digi means you treat Yes as 'another plan'? Why not buy a iPhone+mifi and use YTL's network to make call via wifi? Plus now I can use Facetime, which I can't with Maxis/Digi crappy 3G? Sounds good in theory...  tongue.gif

A lot of testosterone-filled posts, boys. wub.gif No intention to start a flame war, but some comments base their principles on childish thinking. I'm more worried about coverage and the per MB price, if those 2 are ok it makes sense to go for their pay-per-use, high-speed mobile internet.
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I agree that it's subject to the price per kB (standard way of charging for data is per kB not MB - kB is better for consumer if it's per block count).

For you suggestion of utilizing iPhone to make voice call on MiFi, i will say an iPod is a better choice (cheaper, slimmer and lighter).

However, I strongly believe it's cheaper to make a voice call using conventional voice plan than using a pay per use data plan considering the different of on-net and off-net call.
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 13 2010, 05:34 PM)
I agree that it's subject to the price per kB (standard way of charging for data is per kB not MB - kB is better for consumer if it's per block count).

For you suggestion of utilizing iPhone to make voice call on MiFi, i will say an iPod is a better choice (cheaper, slimmer and lighter).

However, I strongly believe it's cheaper to make a voice call using conventional voice plan than using a pay per use data plan considering the different of on-net and off-net call.
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I don't think they will bill you by the KB.
KB measurement is fine if you are on dialup or a very very expensive data plan on your cellphone where you'll be very careful with its use but not on broadband

For example, take Digi's smallest(and most expensive) prepaid, the Discover package @ RM68 for 3GB.
That works out to 68/3072MB = 2.2 sen per MB.
At KB measures that will be 2.2/1024 = 0.000021 sen.

Would you sweat over two thousand of a sen?

As for voice calls, I'm guessing they won't count towards your data usage.
Instead they will bill you by time.
For comparison, check out Unifi where they use separate channels for Data, VOIP and IPTV.
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 13 2010, 11:31 AM)
Slight hiccup with interconnect on certain blocks of numbers.
I received the following email this morning.
This is a good start.
At least they keep you posted of issues and changes rather than let you find out yourselves later.
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My number is within the 332 block and I never receive such email noticing there's a problem with the said block. I guess not everyone was notified. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Nov 14 2010, 12:04 PM)
My number is within the 332 block and I never receive such email noticing there's a problem with the said block. I guess not everyone was notified.  unsure.gif
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i did not received the email as well!
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Maybe they've resolved the interconnect issue with your 332 block?
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QUOTE(biatch0 @ Nov 12 2010, 03:28 PM)
I think you confuse testosterone filled with actual good discussion, which is what the forum is really for (instead of posts containing "HE HE HE YA LE..." and similar). I don't sense any gnashing of teeth here...
Fair play to you sir, a level headed discussion it is. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 13 2010, 11:31 AM)
Slight hiccup with interconnect on certain blocks of numbers.
I received the following email this morning.
This is a good start.
At least they keep you posted of issues and changes rather than let you find out yourselves later.
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I don't think it is a good start... I read the owner's interviews and he sounds like he's promising the world. Big picture guys are great, but from my experience some of these big picture guys don't put enough weight into the little details. Like they say, if you can't do the little things well, how can I trust you with the big things?

QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 13 2010, 05:34 PM)
For you suggestion of utilizing iPhone to make voice call on MiFi, i will say an iPod is a better choice (cheaper, slimmer and lighter).

Hmm didn't think of that. thumbup.gif If this Yes Life thing is what they say it is, I should be able to use my iPod as a full-fledged phone isn't it? Yes Life = calls via PC ala Skype = Skype has an iOS app = Yes Life also has an iOS app? Wow. iPod + Huddle = 4G phone. Heck, iPad + Huddle = 4G phone!

QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 14 2010, 10:53 AM)
As for voice calls, I'm guessing they won't count towards your data usage.
Instead they will bill you by time.
For comparison, check out Unifi where they use separate channels for Data, VOIP and IPTV.
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That would be sad. Skype calls, which are VoIP, are 60 min = 25.98MB which by your definition of 2.2sen/MB means a 1 minute VoIP call should = 0.9526 sen/minute!!! If they can pull this off the telcos are dead meat. Ok maybe they have to pay for interconnect fees to the Digis/Maxis/Celcoms of the world, add a few sen to that, you could get a price of less than 3-4 sen/minute theoretically, right?

How about SMS? An SMS is 140 bytes, again by your definition of 2.2 sen/MB the price of one SMS in an all-IP environment is..... 0.0003 sen!!! blink.gif So best case scenario YTL Yes gives us 3-4 sen/minute off-net 1sen/min on-net calls and 3 sen/1000 SMS if they stick to 2.2 sen/MB data....

Nah, it probably won't happen. sweat.gif They'd probably get sued if they offer that kind of ultra-undercut price, but Francis Yeoh did say that "voice-centric business models of the established telcos are not sustainable" (quote from here).

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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Jul 28 2010, 12:25 PM)
for nowadays usage and demand, peoples want a better bandwidth and high speed to fulfilled the increasing data contents. implementing this policy is like giving you a ferrari and ask you to drive below 100/kmh. I believe if more ppls is not subscribing to that service and they will begin to realise and adjusting their policy to suits our demand.

It's the power of consumer anyway.
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Speed are good.... tested today and play around...
using speedtest i can get around DL +- 7Mb/s, UL +- 5Mb/s (Cyberjaya server).
speedtest i can get around DL +- 4Mb/s, UL +- 3Mb/s (London server)

They use IP range starting from 124, ping around 6ms
Well i can't judge anything right now... let see till it launch...no package been leak at the moment...hehe

PS** i didnt get the speedtest.net screen because is today testing at LOT10....
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Nov 16 2010, 07:14 PM)
Speed are good.... tested today and play around...
using speedtest i can get around DL +- 7Mb/s, UL +- 5Mb/s (Cyberjaya server).
speedtest i can get around DL +- 4Mb/s, UL +- 3Mb/s (London server)

They use IP range starting from 124, ping around 6ms
Well i can't judge anything right now... let see till it launch...no package been leak at the moment...hehe

PS** i didnt get the speedtest.net screen because is today testing at LOT10....
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wait till they launched and more subscribers then do the speed test again.. whistling.gif


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What devices are they using to connect? Anyone knows the type of phone, modem etc?
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What devices are they using to connect? Anyone knows the type of phone, modem etc?
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There is 2 device... 1 call 4G hubble not mistaken is modem... and 4G dongle which attach to ur PC/PS3 or other....
I'm not so sure what phone they use cuz no mobile yet at testing area....
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Spotted what I think is the YES Wimax Pico Station unit.
It was on mounted on the ceiling in the Lot 10 basement food court between Ho Weng Kee and Bistro Bavaria.

It's a all white square box about 10" a side with the the Samsung name in the middle.
It has a thin black stripe around the sides.
It has two white antennas and a blue LAN cable attached.
There is also thick black coax cable (LMR-400?)attached to it.
There is no power cord attached (POE maybe?).
A flashing red light is seen below the Samsung name.

Sorry no pictures because no camera with me.


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That would be sad. Skype calls, which are VoIP, are 60 min = 25.98MB which by your definition of 2.2sen/MB means a 1 minute VoIP call should = 0.9526 sen/minute!!! If they can pull this off the telcos are dead meat. Ok maybe they have to pay for interconnect fees to the Digis/Maxis/Celcoms of the world, add a few sen to that, you could get a price of less than 3-4 sen/minute theoretically, right?

How about SMS? An SMS is 140 bytes, again by your definition of 2.2 sen/MB the price of one SMS in an all-IP environment is..... 0.0003 sen!!!  blink.gif So best case scenario YTL Yes gives us 3-4 sen/minute off-net 1sen/min on-net calls and 3 sen/1000 SMS if they stick to 2.2 sen/MB data....

Nah, it probably won't happen. sweat.gif They'd probably get sued if they offer that kind of ultra-undercut price, but Francis Yeoh did say that "voice-centric business models of the established telcos are not sustainable" (quote from here).
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You misread my post.
I said that VOIP and SMS won't count towards your data usage.
It'll probably be charged the same way as other telcos - by minute and by message.

Of course if you want to use Skype then it will be counted as data just like when you pay monthly Streamyx to use it.
Not totally free is it?
Furthermore, Skype isn't free when calling off-net as you were implying in your post above.

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Just saw the speedtest on Facebook. 10mb download, 2mb upload.

that's really fast.
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Nov 16 2010, 07:14 PM)
Speed are good.... tested today and play around...
using speedtest i can get around DL +- 7Mb/s, UL +- 5Mb/s (Cyberjaya server).
speedtest i can get around DL +- 4Mb/s, UL +- 3Mb/s (London server)

They use IP range starting from 124, ping around 6ms
Well i can't judge anything right now... let see till it launch...no package been leak at the moment...hehe

PS** i didnt get the speedtest.net screen because is today testing at LOT10....
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Same like P1 when they first started their services...
everything was fine until more user subscribing to their broadband...
Line become congested... and....
on that time... wallah! everything become horrible...

I'm really hoping that this YTL "4G" will not become like that.... notworthy.gif



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Just saw the speedtest on Facebook. 10mb download, 2mb upload.

that's really fast.
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With zero paying customers what do you expect? And i seem to recall in this forum a statement along the same line when p1 was launched.

Give them some time, maybe they are on to something.

Or maybe become like many of us have thought. An afterthought.
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To clarify, all Internet connections ALREADY HAVE BANDWIDTH CAPS. It's just simple math; a 1.5Mbps connection will max out at approximately 400GB+ month. No matter how a 1.5Mbps connection user chooses to abuse this connection, his cap is there. My main peeve is with ISPs throwing out big numbers when it comes to bandwidth 10Mbps, 8Mbps, 11Mbps, and then applying a data cap that could easily be hit by a connection that is 10% of their advertised speed. If you are unable to support those speeds, don't market them.

Hey guys, I'm selling a Ferrari here... but you can only drive it 200 km a month, otherwise it turns into a Kancil. You still pay for a Ferrari though!!!

That is my opinion of a secondary data cap.
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or rather you pay for a ferrari, as part of the package, the manufacturer throws in enough petrol to go 200km. you want to go further, buy more petrol?
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or rather you pay for a ferrari, as part of the package, the manufacturer throws in enough petrol to go 200km. you want to go further, buy more petrol?
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 16 2010, 09:43 PM)

Added on November 16, 2010, 9:50 pm
You misread my post.
I said that VOIP and SMS won't count towards your data usage.
It'll probably be charged the same way as other telcos - by minute and by message.

Of course if you want to use Skype then it will be counted as data just like when you pay monthly Streamyx to use it.
Not totally free is it?
Furthermore, Skype isn't free when calling off-net as you were implying in your post above.
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I understood your post, that voice and SMS will have a different rate and not be considered data. My post was just imagining if voice/SMS was treated as data instead of something separate. tongue.gif

So guys, what would be a reasonable data price (per MB) you would pay for? If like skint's previous post that the current going rate is an expensive 2.2 sen/MB, I hope Yes can be in the region of 0.1 sen/MB (cheap like electricity pricing), if I can get 1-3Mbps no throttling no caps. 1Mbps true bandwidth would max out at 329GB per month, and be equivalent to a RM336.90 monthly bill! I'd pay for that for sure!!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif 0.1sen/MB = around RM1/GB.
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From what I've heard, it will be "slightly" below the current Maxis pricing for data... so you are most probably looking at about 3-4 sen. The premium is basically because the data charges are pay as you go (think along the lines of the call charges of Hotlink vs Postpaid) rather than a package deal.
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So guys, what would be a reasonable data price (per MB) you would pay for? If like skint's previous post that the current going rate is an expensive 2.2 sen/MB, I hope Yes can be in the region of 0.1 sen/MB (cheap like electricity pricing), if I can get 1-3Mbps no throttling no caps. 1Mbps true bandwidth would max out at 329GB per month, and be equivalent to a RM336.90 monthly bill! I'd pay for that for sure!!! thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif 0.1sen/MB = around RM1/GB.
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Same like P1 when they first started their services...
everything was fine until more user subscribing to their broadband...
Line become congested... and....
on that time... wallah! everything become horrible...

I'm really hoping that this YTL "4G" will not become like that....  notworthy.gif
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The desktop modem is very cool, better than the P1 Tower.

But the phone, lol ... it's 5 years behind other smartphone.

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very confuse..no need their device and yet can call or sms and without simcard some more??  em...
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i hope this will settle up my lousy internet speed and connection problem by celcom bb....
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 17 2010, 07:56 AM)
The technology is the same, I won't expect much difference.
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The desktop modem is very cool, better than the P1 Tower.

But the phone, lol ... it's 5 years behind other smartphone.
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I don't think that's a smartphone so it's comparable to other regular phones.


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From what I've heard, it will be "slightly" below the current Maxis pricing for data... so you are most probably looking at about 3-4 sen. The premium is basically because the data charges are pay as you go (think along the lines of the call charges of Hotlink vs Postpaid) rather than a package deal.
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What is Maxis' current pricing?

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Black always stylish wat!  smile.gif

I don't think that's a smartphone so it's comparable to other regular phones.


Added on November 17, 2010, 10:57 am
What is Maxis' current pricing?
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Maxis currently charge 10cents per 10kb.
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Most who want to give a try would probably take up the Yes Go modem.

But the 2 top takers would be Yes Huddle and Yes Zoom.

The Yes Huddle is best for those who wants both mobility as well as an AP on the go.

Yes Zoom will be most appropriate for those who wants a fixed line replacement to ditch TM's HomeLine.
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YTL sees good demand for WiMAX service

KUALA LUMPUR: YTL Communications Sdn Bhd is seeing “dramatic” demand for its WiMAX service in Malaysia, with pre-registrations for the product exceeding expectations three times, said executive chairman Tan Sri Francis Yeoh.

Yeoh declined to give a specific target for the “Yes” wireless Internet and voice service, which allows users to pick an identification and number. The company is the telecommunications unit of YTL Power International Bhd.

“I would expect that the uptake of this service, when people get the hang of it, will be tremendous,” Yeoh said in Kuala Lumpur yesterday. “When people have tasted mobile Internet, they’ll never go back to mobile phone; same as when people have tasted colour television, they’ll never go back to black-and-white.”

YTL’s broadband service is as much as five times faster than the already available third generation, or 3G, network, according to Yeoh. This would enable businesses to be more effective and productive, in line with the government’s plans to turn Malaysia into a high income nation, he said.

The company plans to spend RM2.5bil to roll out the service to reach more than 65% of the country’s population when it starts Nov 19, the company said in a statement. It will reach more than 80% by the second quarter of 2011.

YTL Power has advanced 8.2% in the past month, making it Malaysia’s best performing stock, ahead of thebenchmark FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI Index’s 0.9% gain.

The utility’s “shares have recently surged on news that the pre-launch response to its WiMAX service has been above management’s internal targets,” Alex Goh, an analyst at AmResearch, said in a report yesterday. “But note that this is not confirmed registration or fee-paying subscribers as the current Internet bookings allow potential customers to choose their own numbers.”

The company is working with partners including Clearwater Corp, Intel Corp, Cisco Systems Inc and International Business Machines Corp to roll out the service, which will be “competitively” priced against present broadband access providers, according to Yeoh.

The “Yes” service charges the consumer what they use, much like electricity, the company said on its website. The rates will be revealed on Nov 19.

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I'm very interested in the Yes Huddle.

I have several wifi devices on me all the time. That would be awesome.
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Does the YES USB modem work with Linux ?
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very bad lesson learn from P1 ...

sked sked bout this...
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Maxis currently charge 10cents per 10kb.
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pay as you use 9sen=3mb/1min/1sms
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pay as you use 9sen=3mb/1min/1sms
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Assuming the speed will eventually turn awry for all wireless broadband, let's look at the price per MB, I did a little comparison

Sorry, I only do for Maxis and P1 because I'm using them hahahaha ...

It seems that YES is a good choice IF AND ONLY IF you are a low data user but not when you go above 3GB.

MB /Maxis Android Data /YES Pay Per Use Data /WINNER
500 /RM58 /RM15 / YES
1536 /RM78 / RM46.08 / YES
3072 / RM88 / RM92.16 / MAXIS
* Maxis subsequent RM0.10 per 10kb

MB /Maxis Broadband Data /YES Pay Per Use Data /WINNER
1536 /RM 48 /RM46.08 /YES
3072 /RM68 / RM92.16 /MAXIS
6144 / RM98 /RM184.32 /MAXIS
12288 /RM198 / RM368.64 /MAXIS
*Maxis Subsequent free but throttled speed

MB P1 Broadband YES Pay Per Use Data WINNER
5120 /RM49 /RM153.6 /P1
20480 /RM99 /RM 614.4 /P1
30720 /RM139 /RM921.6 / P1
*P1 Subsequent free but throttled speed
**P1 Based on 400Kbps, 1.2Mbps and 2.4Mbps

MB P1 Broadband YES Pay Per Use Data WINNER
6144 /RM59 / RM184.32 / P1
10240 /RM89 /RM307.2 / P1
15360 /RM129 /RM460.8 /P1
*P1 Subsequent free but throttled speed
**P1 Based on 600Kbps, 1.5Mbps and No Limit(stupid)

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Maxis 3GB - RM68; Celcom 3GB - RM68; DiGi 3GB - RM68; YTL Yes 3GB - RM92.16
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pay as you use 9sen=3mb/1min/1sms
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9cents per minute/sms is for local call and sms right?

I wonder what's the rate for cross operators like to Maxis, Digi and Celcom. Judging the number of users for majority of people (I will say ALL now), the cross operators rate is my major concern.
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Umobile "unlimited" (5GB FUP) = RM 68
Yes 5 GB = RM 153.60

Umobile SMS = RM 0.08
Yes = RM 0.09

I was waiting for their launch with great anticipation but this is a great letdown. Cheapest? doh.gif The only thing keeping me from writing them off completely is that they haven't launched yet, there could be more in store.
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I'm currently on a "wait and see" mode.

There could be a revise on the rate or introduction of new packages very soon.

Let's let those who already pre-register to taste the water first hehehe ...
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The next issue, coverage. Is your place covered? ^.^
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pay as you use 9sen=3mb/1min/1sms
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what a major let down if its true.. how to watch mobile tv if the price like that.. all credit gone in a second doh.gif
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And if your location is covered, how strong will the signal be?

I notice that they are promoting themselves as mobile internet but I see they are catering to the home user too since they have that Zoom device.

Lets say you download 50GB a month on Streamyx 4MB, and pay about RM 140 a month.

Yes 50GB = RM 1536.00 ????


This doesn't make sense at all, they appear to be very serious about providing this internet service and have invested billions in it, coupled with all their claims on their website, so I'm still having some hope that on Friday all our questions will be answered and hopefully there will be logical rates. There should be...... right? sad.gif


BTW what's the source of that banner/ad with prices?

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pay as you use 9sen=3mb/1min/1sms
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shakehead.gif If the information is correct, then it might be expensive than other services

Broadband Price comparison?
Maxis ->RM68 |3GB about 3.6mbps (after throttling then it is like a snail)
DIGI ->RM68 |3GB about 700kbps (in between, some users said very stable connection)
Celcom ->RM68 |3GB about 512kbps (Awesome coverage but the speed zzzz)
Umobile ->RM68 |5GB about 3.6mbps (speed and data attractive but coverage are mainly in Selangor)
P1 ?????? (coverage problem)
Yes ->RM68 |2.21GB about 11mbps? (????)

P.S: Maxis existing customers will just have to pay rm48 for 3GB

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so user that use more than 3GB better stay away from Yes. Cheap my arrrrrssssss!!! doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(mdduan @ Nov 17 2010, 07:07 PM)
so user that use more than 3GB better stay away from Yes. Cheap my arrrrrssssss!!! doh.gif  doh.gif
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if YES price like that.....and pricing sky rockets....better stick currently i use...
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this is a 'CIS!!' waiting... waste my time read bla bla yes yes in their website. the result is 'CIS!', not YES!
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The rates for calls and SMS are fine but the internet charges is wayyy to insane. Higher than any other internet provider. Not a good move by YTL.
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r the details for it comin out by midnite on its website???
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Walau that insane....
Maybe they will need to re-adjust the price or make it few more plan... eg. Weekly plan, Daily plan or other...
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this is a 'CIS!!' waiting... waste my time read bla bla yes yes in their website. the result is 'CIS!', not YES!
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this is a 'CIS!!' waiting... waste my time read bla bla yes yes in their website. the result is 'CIS!', not YES!
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one of /k/tarder say right...indah khabar dari rupa............with the rate....my intention to change ISP kensel....if YES make biggest corrective action...i will consider back

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That's about RM30 per GB.

Way too expensive but hope they come with internet monthly bundles.

In comparison,

Maxis charges RM25 Weekly Broadband for 2GB & RM48 for existing Maxis subscribers with 3GB monthly quota.

DiGi Daylight Plan charges RM38 for 3GB

Umobile charges RM68 for Unlimited monthly cap with 5GB FUP.

XOX charges RM68 for Monthly Unlimited with 3GB monthly quota

Using Maxis plan as reference, RM25 for 2GB would mean an average of RM12.50 per GB.
Anything between RM12-15 for 1GB is fair enough but at 3mb for RM0.09, that's close to RM30 per GB.That's more than 2X more expensive than competing plans.
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The most dangerous aspect is the password. If it gets stolen unknowingly, you'll going to be so sorry when your next bill arrives.

They better put a monthly maximum cap of RM250 to their bills or else if your password gets stolen, you're going to pay thousands for it.
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WTF.. just wasting my time of this yes!! if is true.. i better go to umobile..

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Gosh... Damned expensive!
I only paid about RM68 per month for my 3GB Maxis Broadband...
For the time being, better I stick with my Maxis Broadband as my mobile internet..... Hopefully they will revise it.... totally expensive for data @ internet... But for SMS and call rate seems reasonable...
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The most dangerous aspect is the password. If it gets stolen unknowingly, you'll going to be so sorry when your next bill arrives.

They better put a monthly maximum cap of RM250 to their bills or else if your password gets stolen, you're going to pay thousands for it.
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Agree it's dangerous if you lose your password.
So, don't use the YES email account.
That's half your login info already.
Maybe YES should use different login name instead.
Especially dangerous are key-loggers on your PC if you use the YES Life program.

As for monthly caps, well, it is a prepaid service so all you stand to lose is your prepaid credit.

I wonder how much the Buzz phone costs?
Anyone?
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it looks like they talking shit in facebook,,, huhuhuhu...

http://www.facebook.com/Yes4G?v=wall&filte...3;/Yes4G?v=wall
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hmmm, keeping my fingers crossed.

my mobile data is less than 500mb a month... if it's 9 sen/mb it's still very cheap (as long as less than 3gb a month).

oh btw... did the brochure talk about rebates? i went through the Yes website and they did somewhat talk about this:

"The more data you use, the more rebates you get. These rebates can be used to redeem data, calls or SMS, giving you instant value while keeping your statement low month after month."
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hmm 9 sen for 3 mb . i wonder if 3 gb will cost how much hmmz
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"The more data you use, the more rebates you get. These rebates can be used to redeem data, calls or SMS, giving you instant value while keeping your statement low month after month."

ha ha ha ha...what a sick joke!!
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1st nail already in the coffin. Francis Yeoh's talk of changing the industry proved to be castles in the sky. 9 sen = 3 mb, RM 90 = 3 gig give or take. Hard to see anyone taking this up.
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Maybe he looking that's everyone offering 10sen/10KB and mis calculate that RM38/48/68 for 3GB it's way cheaper than 9sen=3MB.


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Haish.... another company trying to SUCK all our money.... cehh

Pay per use i think same like prepaid system... you dump some of money first, then use the "freedom" internet like "takut-takut" , how NOT to "takut-takut" when you see your prepaid amount turun like water...

Its like you topup your prepaid number say RM10, then you call here call there, sms here , sms there, then check back you balance, then you scared to call ... and then you start do a "missed-call" ... hahahahaha
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Well, I already did say earlier that it will be slightly cheaper than Pay-As-You-Go maxis/digi data much earlier. Why are people acting so surprised? smile.gif
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 17 2010, 10:01 PM)
Agree it's dangerous if you lose your password.
So, don't use the YES email account.
That's half your login info already.
Maybe YES should use different login name instead.
Especially dangerous are key-loggers on your PC if you use the YES Life program.

As for monthly caps, well, it is a prepaid service so all you stand to lose is your prepaid credit.

I wonder how much the Buzz phone costs?
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The password should able to be changed if you lost it.

How often you see people steal password to use the internet? it is not worth the money. Unlike stealing handbags, you can sell and get cash.

And also depends on the speed, the data you can download is also limited per second/minute/hour/day, if you can change the password on time, I think you can cut your losses.

I do hope there is a log history to check your usage on the web, in case the password being used by other people without your knowledge.

My opinion is the username/password method of authenticating users are very convenient and it encourages multiple devices single account.

I'm just curious whether it allows multiple login at the same time.


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Well, I already did say earlier that it will be slightly cheaper than Pay-As-You-Go maxis/digi data much earlier. Why are people acting so surprised? smile.gif
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Err .. because most people here are heavy users and by calculating the price, YES is more pricey than other operators.

By calculation, if you use more than 3G per month, the Pay-Per-Use price for YES will increase exponentially as compared to package offered by Maxis, Digi, Celcom, U and P1

I'm confident YES will launch bundle package very soon to counter their shortcoming. 3G service has gone thru this pay-per-use concept around the world at their early stage but failed miserably.

And when bundle package kicks in, so will FUP, throttling, congestion ...

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The password should able to be changed if you lost it.

How often you see people steal password to use the internet? it is not worth the money. Unlike stealing handbags, you can sell and get cash.

And also depends on the speed, the data you can download is also limited per second/minute/hour/day, if you can change the password on time, I think you can cut your losses.

I do hope there is a log history to check your usage on the web, in case the password being used by other people without your knowledge.

My opinion is the username/password method of authenticating users are very convenient and it encourages multiple devices single account.

I'm just curious whether it allows multiple login at the same time.

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You can't lose your password. You FORGET your password.
However it's when it's stolen without your knowledge that's scary.
That's why I say YES should have a different login and password for email and devices.

Sad about the price though.
We'll see tomorrow how they can sweeten the deal.
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a celcom berukband user here. was considering this.
i wish theres an unlimited package...

pay per usage is definitely none of my interest
i'll rather to keep the traditional phone, tq
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Hahaha.. and here peeps thought YTL was gonna bend over backwards for the heavy users? They just told all of you to shove it up where the sun don't shine... Light browsers and e-mail checkers? Sure, come aboard!

It'll be a cold, cold day in hell before Wireless supersedes Fixed line Internet as the superior offering.... in all aspects (Line caps, speed, stability, pings)
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well..guess my high hopes for this 4G has finally comes to the end. We are made to wait again for another true high speed at "real" affordable price.

Sorry "Yes", you're officially out fm my list.
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QUOTE(solarmystic @ Nov 18 2010, 10:16 AM)
Hahaha.. and here peeps thought YTL was gonna bend over backwards for the heavy users? They just told all of you to shove it up where the sun don't shine... Light browsers and e-mail checkers? Sure, come aboard!

It'll be a cold, cold day in hell before Wireless supersedes Fixed line Internet as the superior offering.... in all aspects (Line caps, speed, stability, pings)
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thats my tought too rclxms.gif


they aim on low and mid usage ppl!
for heavy 1 it will be dis advantage cause heavy user also congest thier
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so with out the heavy user the low and mid user will get rocket fast network..
heavy user got cash then can go rocket fast

seems logic rclxms.gif

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well, some users like myself have reasons to use wireless.
im still willing to pay RM99.75 for that (so yeah it says 5GB cap, but in actual its unlimited).

most of the time i got HSDPA on the celcom berukband.
except 7pm to late night. if they do something about this im happy already

occasionally on steam games and hell yeah the lag is horrid lulz

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I can see a clear line cut between surfers/users and downloaders. YES is for internet surfers/users. Price is reasonably cheap if YTL can provide a good quality of service (fast n reliable line). Why malaysia internet line sucks? U know I know, there are too many GBs downloaders x24 hours out there.

Let alone YES for internet surfers/users smile.gif Go away irresponsible GBs downloaders thumbup.gif

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oh so many negative feedback already...

sure some guy from YTL is monitoring feedbacks from lowyat.net.... they better revise or come with a unlimited but throttled speed plan...otherwise all other 3g and P1 would keep smiling away...

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yeah their plan like no different.. so why choose yes.. might as well just say no to yes cause they are just like us...


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c'mon guys, u only see half the story and already start complaining? Let wait til 2moro la, i'm sure YTL is not stupid and they sure have something up their sleeve!
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YTL mentioned that price will be cheaper than other 3G providers but according to comparison it appears that Maxis is even cheaper than YTL? So where is the logic? As to the current understanding, they only targeted at a low bandwidth hoggers which is more on niche market rather than mass market? And how they gonna get the ROI fm nearly RM2B they invested into this projects?

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Since there is no commitment, no contract and no expiry, it would be good to keep one handy in your drawer for when your Streamyx/Celcom/P1 craps out on you.

You can keep it in red box on your wall with sign that says "In Case Of Emergency, Break Glass". cool2.gif

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But you still have to invest in their device.... isn't it cheaper to use present 3G services in case of emergency? Just get a weekly plan etc and you're set.
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I think we should vent out the frustration of the price as well as the services after it is launched and tested.

Not sure where did that pricing source come from, but don't think it's ever been released yet. According to analyst covering the company, they were brought to the company to test the service capabilities etc and, its quite promising. And, 1 thing for sure is, pricing is yet to be announced to the general public.

Anyway, let's hope that the service would bring in competition and advancement to the nation instead of the usual monopolized service. Fingers crossed....
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Still living in the last hour? Pricing has already been revealed by Yes themselves....
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you have to compare apples to apples doh.gif

In terms of pay-as-go structure, 9sen/MB is pretty much the cheapest you can get without any commitment. Hopefully this will spur the other providers to cut their stupid 1sen/KB model that has been applied since the stone age. With such a business model, Yes 4G is for the occasional users, not heavy users or smart phone (Android/Apple/Win7 etc) user, you can have Maxis/Digi/Celcom for that.

Come to think of it, what type of subscribers are more, data plan users, or occasional users. As such, it is highly unlikely that YES will crash and burn like P1 did. Same technology with P1, but probably 10 times less data usage, based on the monthly P1 data cap. With P1, subscribers want to 'maximize' their line by finishing their quota no matter what. Based on my half past six guesstimate, they are probably targeting the ocassional internet on phone users, or the ones that use their internet for web surfing and email only.

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Can you explain what the Yes Zoom device is for then?
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Still living in the last hour? Pricing has already been revealed by Yes themselves....
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The so called pricing at this moment is just the very beginning of the package...let's wait till tomorrow, then.


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Can you explain what the Yes Zoom device is for then?
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Yes Zoom is an all in one home modem with voice and WiFi

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Thank you Maxsimax. Please tell that to post #251 who's edited his post a few times from "not aiming for PC users" to whatever it is now wink.gif
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Thank you Maxsimax. Please tell that to post #251 who's edited his post a few times from "not aiming for PC users" to whatever it is now wink.gif
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I did not think much of what i typed before clicking on the 'add reply' previously tongue.gif . It has been properly edited now

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Nov 18 2010, 01:38 PM)
you have to compare apples to apples  doh.gif

In terms of pay-as-go structure, 9sen/MB is pretty much the cheapest you can get without any commitment. Hopefully this will spur the other providers to cut their stupid 1sen/KB model that has been applied since the stone age. With such a business model, Yes 4G is for the occasional users, not heavy users or smart phone (Android/Apple/Win7 etc) user, you can have Maxis/Digi/Celcom for that.

Come to think of it, what type of subscribers are more, data plan users, or occasional users. As such, it is highly unlikely that YES will crash and burn like P1 did. Same technology with P1, but probably 10 times less data usage, based on the monthly P1 data cap. With P1, subscribers want to 'maximize' their line by finishing their quota no matter what. Based on my half past six guesstimate, they are probably targeting the ocassional internet on phone users, or the ones that use their internet for web surfing and email only.
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Too bad Iphone does not support Wimax at the moment.

I wonder what sort of device YTL will be offering.
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But you still have to invest in their device.... isn't it cheaper to use present 3G services in case of emergency? Just get a weekly plan etc and you're set.
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Yes (damn, now I can't use the word "yes" without worrying people think I'm referring to YES.) it's cheaper till you can't access it for whatever reason, then you want something to fall back on and since there's no commitment and no expiry, it makes a good back-up. Right?
Just don't forget where you left the dongle.


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Too bad Iphone does not support Wimax at the moment.

I wonder what sort of device  YTL will be offering.
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Does the Buzz phone look like the Samsung Gravity to you?

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QUOTE(tlts @ Nov 18 2010, 10:24 AM)
thats my tought too rclxms.gif
they aim on low and mid usage ppl!
for heavy 1 it will be dis advantage cause heavy user also congest thier
network...
so with out the heavy user the low and mid user will get rocket fast network..
heavy user got cash then can go rocket fast

seems logic rclxms.gif
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let wait and see when this light and mid user say:

oh my line is fast.. lets watch some utube and stream some video

and when their bill come or when their prepaid gone in seconds they come to this forum and shout like stupid b**** whistling.gif sweat.gif
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HEY GUYS, did you receive RM10 food voucher from the STARWAR guy?
How much if i go lot 10 there eat can deduct?
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hey guys by the way its 9sen/3MB not 1MB so its 3sen/MB even cheaper than the current cheapest Tune Talk of 5sen/MB
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Guys and Ladies. Dun worry. Visit Lot 10 Tmr and u will know the actual price. and the price is affordable because of the Rebate.

Trust Me smile.gif

Fingers Crossed and wait for tmr.


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rebate? what rebate?
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hey guys by the way its 9sen/3MB not 1MB so its 3sen/MB even cheaper than the current cheapest Tune Talk of 5sen/MB
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Rebate.....
Data usage 2.5GB rebate RM9.00 = 2.64 sen/MB
Data usage 3.0GB rebate RM23.00 = 2.25 sen/MB
Data usage 4GB above rebate 30% for every GB used = 2.10 sen/MB

The lowest entry at only RM30/mths

Go 4G dongle
RM99
Free GO device + RM100 yes credit + Free Yes Life + Free Yes mail

huddle 4G mobile hotspot
RM399 device only

RM1199
Free huddle device (save RM400) + RM1200 Yes credit + Free Yes life + Free Yes mail
Installment plan (0% interest) .

Buzz and Zoom will only revice in december....
Buzz 4G cloud phone is using samsung......

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Today i went there at Lot10 sweat.gif, cannot see their package yet
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Dongle can use linux?
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Too bad Iphone does not support Wimax at the moment.

I wonder what sort of device  YTL will be offering.
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Yes have a device like portable modem, it support iphone.
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you have to compare apples to apples  doh.gif

In terms of pay-as-go structure, 9sen/MB is pretty much the cheapest you can get without any commitment. Hopefully this will spur the other providers to cut their stupid 1sen/KB model that has been applied since the stone age. With such a business model, Yes 4G is for the occasional users, not heavy users or smart phone (Android/Apple/Win7 etc) user, you can have Maxis/Digi/Celcom for that.

Come to think of it, what type of subscribers are more, data plan users, or occasional users. As such, it is highly unlikely that YES will crash and burn like P1 did. Same technology with P1, but probably 10 times less data usage, based on the monthly P1 data cap. With P1, subscribers want to 'maximize' their line by finishing their quota no matter what. Based on my half past six guesstimate, they are probably targeting the ocassional internet on phone users, or the ones that use their internet for web surfing and email only.
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I'm an android user and use my phone as modem and sync my device all the time.
my average usage per month circa 3gb only. So yes service is good enough.
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Why I need to buy the devices?
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maybe u laptop and handphone doesnt support WIMAX or 4G.
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I mean why not I rent the device instead of buy it?
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i see ,maybe the YTL need cover initial cost , if give u free then the YTL will charge higher fee /mb .
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What happened to "No Commitment"?

Note that it says at the bottom of the middle column of the following page that you have to maintain a monthly usage of RM30.

YES Plan details
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Why Wangsa Maju no coverage? yawn.gif

BTW, TM UniFi select Wangsa Maju as premier KL sub-urban area to launch their service after Taman Tun Dr Ismail.


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What happened to "No Commitment"?

Note that it says at the bottom of the middle column of the following page that you have to maintain a monthly usage of RM30.

YES Plan details
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another Chinaman style company implement cheating businesses to M'sian public... rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 18 2010, 12:17 PM)
yeah their plan like no different.. so why choose yes.. might as well just say no to yes cause they are just like us...
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the reason why yes should be given careful thought is the way they plan the network.

Usually a telco company would only install base stations on area with populated user density areas. Then those least populated area would be covered with less base stations. For yes, they dont consider that. They just installed one base station like how street lights were install on a road. Every specific interval there would be a base station. So what do u get? Better coverage and higher capacity that could be sustained. In fact, usually a base station would be highly dependent on a fiber line to transmit signals/cater for bandwidth needs. Some areas, where TM does not have the fiber line, YTL took the initiative to install their own fiber lines just to get those base stations wired with fiber.

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Anyone managed to login to your pre-registered YES ID? It says my YES ID doesn't exist, but I type exactly the same as in the email sent to me... tried the 018 number as YES ID also can't. add "@yes.my" behind also cannot.
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how do i get to the coverage page?
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i clicks on covareage page.. but cant thru..
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QUOTE(ulart_mie @ Nov 18 2010, 10:08 PM)
i clicks on covareage page.. but cant thru..
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http://coverage.yes.my/


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Anyone managed to login to your pre-registered YES ID? It says my YES ID doesn't exist, but I type exactly the same as in the email sent to me... tried the 018 number as YES ID also can't. add "@yes.my" behind also cannot.
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can only login after 6pm tomorrow.

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Another number game advertisement scheme.

As long as data is metered, it's expensive.

I guess there's no way to break through TMnut's monopoly. The Broadband market is just too stagnant and dead.
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We really need to merge the two main YES threads.

The other one
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This is simply hilarious, even after the rebate the rates are still hilarious.

For the past 2 weeks I thought it would be a 'better internet for all' and i would be 'truly free'. I thought I could use it at home, work and on the road, but it has turned out to be a 'better internet for a few'. biggrin.gif

Thank you Yes for keeping me anxious and entertained for the past couple of weeks, but I've realised I'll be a lot happier and freer with my current services and despite having plans with contracts and commitments. Am not even going to bother attending the launch tomorrow.
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guess what.. my area at gombak, jalan gombak is fully coverage.lol
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 18 2010, 01:21 PM)
Since there is no commitment, no contract and no expiry, it would be good to keep one handy in your drawer for when your Streamyx/Celcom/P1 craps out on you.

You can keep it in red box on your wall with sign that says "In Case Of Emergency, Break Glass". cool2.gif
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also i hope yes has a cooling off period or return policy.
last time p1 stated my home was covered so i got it and when i got home and tried to use it...the connection/signal was really bad so i had to return it...

@ totally_skint i was thinking the same thing too BUT all is not as it seems...min monthly spend of rm30 required...

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i think u guys still not that sure for their package :/
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Looks like I was wrong previously.

YES wants to join the big boys, offer Voice/SMS/Data (minus the internet stuff. Who is going to use it anyways, that Zoom thingy)
Offering 3rd Generation services, using their so called 4th Generation network that is meant to be use for Data.


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@ totally_skint i was thinking the same thing too BUT all is not as it seems...min monthly spend of rm30 required...

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RM30 minimun usage seems contradict with everything else, such as reload that never expired, pay as you use as water and electricity.

What happen if no reach RM30? need to buy again? what happen to reload which never expired?
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Based on what I've seen while poking around their domains, I wouldn't trust YTL with any credit card information. Their website is so ridiculously unsecure. Full of holes everywhere, I won't reveal what I found but any decent hacker will crack this site like a telur separuh masak.
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Buying credit online? How do I go online to buy credit when I have zero credit left?
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whenever u hit below a limit, they will send u a reminder to ask u to top up
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So if there are 4 people using the Mifi or Zoom, everyone's PC gets a pop-up? What if I disable pop-ups? If I am connected via Wifi, how does the device know how to push a pop-up to my browser? Or will all browsing stop and everyone's browser go to a reminder page? What if I don't have any browser but using a non-browser program to use the internet (like internet radio via winamp)? Or is it an SMS to a phone number? What if I don't have a mobile phone? Doesn't sound right.

Ugh. I can imagine, top up RM10, watch HD Youtube for half an hour, receive reminder to top up. Put another RM10, watch another 30 min HD Youtube, pop-up another reminder to top-up. shakehead.gif

I wonder how they going to sell their Sezmi IP TV, when a 2 hour 30 min HD movie costs more than RM70-RM90+ in bandwidth cost. And that's not yet including the price you pay for the movie itself. Ouch.
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So if there are 4 people using the Mifi or Zoom, everyone's PC gets a pop-up? What if I disable pop-ups? If I am connected via Wifi, how does the device know how to push a pop-up to my browser? Or will all browsing stop and everyone's browser go to a reminder page? What if I don't have any browser but using a non-browser program to use the internet (like internet radio via winamp)? Or is it an SMS to a phone number? What if I don't have a mobile phone? Doesn't sound right.

Ugh. I can imagine, top up RM10, watch HD Youtube for half an hour, receive reminder to top up. Put another RM10, watch another 30 min HD Youtube, pop-up another reminder to top-up.  shakehead.gif

I wonder how they going to sell their Sezmi IP TV, when a 2 hour 30 min HD movie costs more than RM70-RM90+ in bandwidth cost. And that's not yet including the price you pay for the movie itself. Ouch.
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this is really a noob plan.. how could u charge 9 cent for 3MB??

lets say u use 1GB data that month (which is considerably little), = 1000mb = 1000 /3 = 333.33333 x 9 cents = 3000 cents or RM30.00 just for 1GB wtf?? u will see the bill fluctuate every mth.. over use means a gone case. Very risky here.

Better to have a monthly plan for data instead.. shakehead.gif
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maybe YES is good for backup broadband, so when your main internet goes down, u use this
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maybe YES is good for backup broadband, so when your main internet goes down, u use this
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YES IF there have no minimun amount per month.

Still not sure what happen if you not reach RM30.. Still deduct RM 30? Disable your device?
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YES IF there have no minimun amount per month.

Still not sure what happen if you not reach RM30.. Still deduct RM 30? Disable your device?
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they "say" pay as you use.. if i dont use.. then dont need pay la..

dont think they will have like a min usage per month must be 15 bux or so..
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 19 2010, 02:22 AM)
they "say" pay as you use.. if i dont use.. then dont need pay la..

dont think they will have like a min usage per month must be 15 bux or so..
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I think their claim to be zero-commitment is a failure.. Prepaid concept for broadband is not cheap, and people will get heart attack looking at the bill and how fast their credit drains (unless the rate is really cheap). They should have planned and come out with plans for both prepaid and postpaid user (especially for broadband).

number of ppl for pre-book exceeded their expectation by 3 times.. But true subscribers will be lesser than their expectation... my guess..

I shake head when looking at their rate... 3GB usage = RM90 - RM23 rebate = RM67? That's cheaper by RM1 if compared with my current RM68 Digi BB... lol.. Except that it's flexible and cheaper if you don't use up to 3GB. How do they expect people to jump ship?

If use 2GB = RM60, 3GB = RM67... makes not much difference for the data volume usage.. Unless you use 1GB only (RM30 per month, i think other telcos will try to come out with a Lite user plan to fight this), then can go for it.. Seriously for light user..

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Ok fine, my area still not served by them....
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My area is covered but I think this plan is not meant to replace the current broadband subscribers, nor for youtube surfers or websites with tons of graphics and flashes. So for regular users, just stick with what you current;y using, rather than having heart attack looking at your bills later.
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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Nov 19 2010, 08:02 AM)
My area is covered but I think this plan is not meant to replace the current broadband subscribers, nor for youtube surfers or websites with tons of graphics and flashes. So for regular users, just stick with what you current;y using, rather than having heart attack looking at your bills later.
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bah, area not covered..
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Personally, i feel disappointed with all these rate, especially the minimum RM30 per month usage. I know there's a minimum charge for our electricity bill but TNB charges way much cheaper (RM3/month)...

All the while keep on saying Pay Per Use... out of sudden, come out a RM30 minimum monthly commitment. !@#$!!!!

Looks like we're back to square one after so many years of fighting for commonly affordable and cheap mobile internet...

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http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...79&sec=business
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5 voice-data players in the country to date. Maxis, Celcom, Digi, U mobile and now YTL.

Not easy for YTL to break into the already saturated market.
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Yeah. They've realised they cannot afford to break into TM's dominance in the data market and decided to go into the overly saturated mobile market instead. The thing is, they're doing this on Wimax. I really wonder if it will be good enough.
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5 voice-data players in the country to date. Maxis, Celcom, Digi, U mobile and now YTL.

Not easy for YTL to break into the already saturated market.
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3G was made to carry voice, when it tries to carry data, it struggles. 4G was made to carry data.

In that case, your “4G network” should be wiping the floor with the 3G network right? Here’s an interesting one… the folks at YTL choose to demo their “4G network” against the Celcom 3G solution… and managed 11Mbps vs 0.89Mbps (CELCOM). Yes, ELEVEN MEGABITS, you read it right. Umm… check this other quote out:

The ITU requires 100 Mbps (mobile) and 1 Gbps (fixed) speeds, among other criteria, to qualify as true “4G”.

Unless I fail horribly at reading and require LASIK, I’m pretty certain that 11Mbps < 100Mbps. Don’t know about you guys, but in comparison to what the ITU requires, it sure looks like the YTL “4G network” is struggling like a Somalian kid trying to benchpress the Michelin Man.

Other useful links relating to the ITU 4G standard: The official ITU 4G Press Release, and the IMT-Advanced (4G) page on the ITU website.
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3G was made to carry voice, when it tries to carry data, it struggles. 4G was made to carry data.

In that case, your “4G network” should be wiping the floor with the 3G network right? Here’s an interesting one… the folks at YTL choose to demo their “4G network” against the Celcom 3G solution… and managed 11Mbps vs 0.89Mbps (CELCOM). Yes, ELEVEN MEGABITS, you read it right. Umm… check this other quote out:

The ITU requires 100 Mbps (mobile) and 1 Gbps (fixed) speeds, among other criteria, to qualify as true “4G”.

Unless I fail horribly at reading and require LASIK, I’m pretty certain that 11Mbps < 100Mbps. Don’t know about you guys, but in comparison to what the ITU requires, it sure looks like the YTL “4G network” is struggling like a Somalian kid trying to benchpress the Michelin Man.

Other useful links relating to the ITU 4G standard: The official ITU 4G Press Release, and the IMT-Advanced (4G) page on the ITU website.
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QUOTE(ulart_mie @ Nov 19 2010, 09:48 AM)
3G was made to carry voice, when it tries to carry data, it struggles. 4G was made to carry data.

In that case, your “4G network” should be wiping the floor with the 3G network right? Here’s an interesting one… the folks at YTL choose to demo their “4G network” against the Celcom 3G solution… and managed 11Mbps vs 0.89Mbps (CELCOM). Yes, ELEVEN MEGABITS, you read it right. Umm… check this other quote out:

The ITU requires 100 Mbps (mobile) and 1 Gbps (fixed) speeds, among other criteria, to qualify as true “4G”.

Unless I fail horribly at reading and require LASIK, I’m pretty certain that 11Mbps < 100Mbps. Don’t know about you guys, but in comparison to what the ITU requires, it sure looks like the YTL “4G network” is struggling like a Somalian kid trying to benchpress the Michelin Man.

Other useful links relating to the ITU 4G standard: The official ITU 4G Press Release, and the IMT-Advanced (4G) page on the ITU website.
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must maintain RM30 spending per month.........????

then even the credit never expire also meaningless....

so many tricks....all these telco just bla bla bla...
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When wimax standard announce I also very amaze. something like 50Mbps for the range for city wide (forget already but I believe more than 70km). 1 Tower can cover the whole city. That's the promise of WIMAX.

See what happen now.. 1-2Mbps only and coverage? 10 tower also not enough to cover KL.


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must maintain RM30 spending per month.........????

then even the credit never expire also meaningless....

so many tricks....all these telco just bla bla bla...
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QUOTE(ulart_mie @ Nov 19 2010, 09:48 AM)
3G was made to carry voice, when it tries to carry data, it struggles. 4G was made to carry data.

In that case, your “4G network” should be wiping the floor with the 3G network right? Here’s an interesting one… the folks at YTL choose to demo their “4G network” against the Celcom 3G solution… and managed 11Mbps vs 0.89Mbps (CELCOM). Yes, ELEVEN MEGABITS, you read it right. Umm… check this other quote out:

The ITU requires 100 Mbps (mobile) and 1 Gbps (fixed) speeds, among other criteria, to qualify as true “4G”.

Unless I fail horribly at reading and require LASIK, I’m pretty certain that 11Mbps < 100Mbps. Don’t know about you guys, but in comparison to what the ITU requires, it sure looks like the YTL “4G network” is struggling like a Somalian kid trying to benchpress the Michelin Man.

Other useful links relating to the ITU 4G standard: The official ITU 4G Press Release, and the IMT-Advanced (4G) page on the ITU website.
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11Mbps 1 device.. 10 people using then 1Mbps per device..
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yes, what a joke..zero commitment, credit never expired.. PAYU..cheap among provider,
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yes, what a joke..zero commitment, credit never expired.. PAYU..cheap among provider,
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because malaysia is a boleh joke land..better stick with current bb..
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yeahhh... i hope that i can switch to a better ISP but now.. huhhh... damn sick joke for malaysia boleh land.. lannnn boleh!

better try umobile la after this.. huhh..
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Come back to same....No this la..no tat la....but RM30 must pay every month...hahaha....Joker...
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Is their server down? Can't get into their website.... already a let down.
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ahhh...do u guys ever thing.. before launched we were hope this yes can settle our problem.. but after twe know they price and plan ...hmmmm so much of disappointed
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YTL stick to construction la
What do they know about broadband
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why do ppl put so much hope on other Malaysian's ISP

TM is still the best shit out there or simpler word the best out of the worst
YTL.. 9Sen ? aiyo why make life so susah, put 10sen lah

like i go buy ice cream at rm1.99, what the 1sen diff ? round off to RM2.00 also come to the same thing
there no need for disappointment

UNIFAIL fail use with usage CAP

Maxis FTTH - fail even worse with 20GB cap plus bullshit speed.

P1 - potong jangan tak potong at last own self kena potong

Celcom, Digi, Maxis- 3G broadband, unless u like slow speed and ridicules data cap of 3gb per month. i have no say laugh.gif

Metrofon - unless u like LAN at whole of KL (where you can play DOTA with other malaysian no lag, it a good choice) International, 1000ms ping even before game start you will still have the ? on left side of your name

Streamyx - i dunno but this is still the best shit out there plus i sometime get to hear sexy voice before i rage on hold waiting 15min to talk to lvl 2 support vmad.gif

screw with those mobile broadband user, who need those 3g broadband, everywhere got wifi, plus idiots who secure it with WEP which can be easily crack it in less than 10min if condition is right sweat.gif
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QUOTE(aneip @ Nov 18 2010, 11:41 PM)
RM30 minimun usage seems contradict with everything else, such as reload that never expired, pay as you use as water and electricity.

What happen if no reach RM30? need to buy again? what happen to reload which never expired?
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Buying credit online? How do I go online to buy credit when I have zero credit left?
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Use your bank or credit card of course.
Where got buy reload credit with reload credit.
If you can figure out such method, then no need to work anymore. tongue.gif

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So if there are 4 people using the Mifi or Zoom, everyone's PC gets a pop-up? What if I disable pop-ups? If I am connected via Wifi, how does the device know how to push a pop-up to my browser? Or will all browsing stop and everyone's browser go to a reminder page? What if I don't have any browser but using a non-browser program to use the internet (like internet radio via winamp)? Or is it an SMS to a phone number? What if I don't have a mobile phone? Doesn't sound right.

Ugh. I can imagine, top up RM10, watch HD Youtube for half an hour, receive reminder to top up. Put another RM10, watch another 30 min HD Youtube, pop-up another reminder to top-up.  shakehead.gif

I wonder how they going to sell their Sezmi IP TV, when a 2 hour 30 min HD movie costs more than RM70-RM90+ in bandwidth cost. And that's not yet including the price you pay for the movie itself. Ouch.
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Not pop-up on your browser but simply email notification.
Or SMS on your Buzz phone.

Logical that Sezmi IPTV will be charged by package and not count as data usage.
However your own PPS "iptv" will be charged data rates just like watching Youtube.

QUOTE(Boy96 @ Nov 19 2010, 02:08 AM)
maybe YES is good for backup broadband, so when your main internet goes down, u use this
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Not at RM30 monthly commitment.

BTW, Buzz phone won't be of much use in Singapore or anywhere outside Malaysia.
So you still need to maintain another phone (and another celco service) if you travel overseas.
After all you can't be expected to lug a booted up laptop/netbook around to receive calls on the go can you?

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BTW, Buzz phone won't be of much use in Singapore or anywhere outside Malaysia.
So you still need to maintain another phone (and another celco service) if you travel overseas.
After all you can't be expected to lug a booted up laptop/netbook around to receive calls on the go can you?
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I kinda doubt you can receive 018 call on your laptop/netbook. The call on computer should be using YESID not the number. I guess only.
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You can still make calls from overseas if your device allows an internet connection to be routed back to Yes Life servers.

Similar to a Skype app or Google Voice.

When people call you you must stay connected to the internet and turn on your device to receive the calls from anywhere.

The conditions here is you must have an ACTIVE net connection for standby.

Not call phones can but most smartphones nowadays allow apps to be installed. You need to install the correct app and settings in your smartphone for this to happen. Everything is IP based in a pure data network.

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for me Ill get the Zoom or the huddle, backup broadband tongue.gif

but need to maintain RM30/month? aiyoyo..
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I kinda doubt you can receive 018 call on your laptop/netbook. The call on computer should be using YESID not the number. I guess only.
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That's how Google Voice works. When people call you they can reach you anywhere be it on your desktop, netbook, smartphone or even your mobile.
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QUOTE(vapeace @ Nov 19 2010, 01:31 PM)
why do ppl put so much hope on other Malaysian's ISP

like i go buy ice cream at rm1.99, what the 1sen diff ? round off to RM2.00 also come to the same thing
there no need for disappointment
eh hello...

3 sen (0.03) per MB ; if use 3GB (3,000 MB) = $90.00
4 sen (0.04) per MB ; if use 3GB (3,000 MB) = $120.00


3 sen (0.03) per MB ; if use 50GB (50,000 MB) = $1500.00
4 sen (0.04) per MB ; if use 50GB (50,000 MB) = $2000.00
difference = $500.00

dun play play with 1 sen wink.gif

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You can still make calls from overseas if your device allows an internet connection to be routed back to Yes Life servers.

Similar to a Skype app or Google Voice.

When people call you you must stay connected to the internet and turn on your device to receive the calls from anywhere.

The conditions here is you must have an ACTIVE net connection for standby.

Not call phones can but most smartphones nowadays allow apps to be installed. You need to install the correct app and settings in your smartphone for this to happen. Everything is IP based in a pure data network.
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I'm not familiar with running an active app on your smartphone but wouldn't using something Skype-like on your phone round the clock to receive incoming calls eat up your batteries?
Furthermore, using an app on your regular smartphone means two subscribing to two mobile BB service?
One from your regular celco and the other one is YES. - $$$
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I'm not familiar with running an active app on your smartphone but wouldn't using something Skype-like on your phone round the clock to receive incoming calls eat up your batteries?
Furthermore, using an app on your regular smartphone means two subscribing to two mobile BB service?
One from your regular celco and the other one is YES. - $$$
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The smartphone was invented for this very reason.Net surfing on the move such as your iPhone. The battery was designed to withstand long hours of internet connectivity or always-on/connect when required.

You do not need both ends to be on the same server or device type to make calls. You might be on a smartphone running the app and one person on a desktop connected to the internet with the app while the 3rd person on a mobile phone.
Calls between the two person on the internet will have no service charges but they still pay for internet charges. However the 3rd person on conventional mobile highly depends on his network provider arrangement deal. The call can be treated as a special voip call for that particular service or as a local voice call.

You might want to ask how come he's on another network but still managed to receive calls?
Well the SIP server does the translation when the call is made from the user and when the request is made to the server via the internet, it calls the other user on old networks via PSTN.

NGN and old PSTN networks are interconnected.
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The smartphone was invented for this very reason.Net surfing on the move such as your iPhone. The battery was designed to withstand long hours of internet connectivity or always-on/connect when required.
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Thanks for the info.

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 19 2010, 03:07 PM)
You can still make calls from overseas if your device allows an internet connection to be routed back to Yes Life servers.

Similar to a Skype app or Google Voice.

When people call you you must stay connected to the internet and turn on your device to receive the calls from anywhere.

The conditions here is you must have an ACTIVE net connection for standby.

Not call phones can but most smartphones nowadays allow apps to be installed. You need to install the correct app and settings in your smartphone for this to happen. Everything is IP based in a pure data network.
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I get how VOIP works but I was referring to the situation you stated above about receiving calls on your smartphone app.
Unless that smartphone is from YES you would have to subscribe to another BB service to allow your YES app to receive calls.
And YES devices won't work outside Malaysia.
Hence two subscriptions.

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eh hello...

3 sen (0.03) per MB ; if use 3GB (3,000 MB) = $90.00
4 sen (0.04) per MB ; if use 3GB (3,000 MB) = $120.00
3 sen (0.03) per MB ; if use 50GB (50,000 MB) = $1500.00
4 sen (0.04) per MB ; if use 50GB (50,000 MB) = $2000.00
difference = $500.00

dun play play with 1 sen wink.gif
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if willing u playing to pay RM2000 for your internet bill i dont mind

other than that it make no sense


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QUOTE(vapeace @ Nov 19 2010, 04:43 PM)
macha

if willing u playing to pay RM2000 for your internet bill i dont mind

other than that it make no sense
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of course i dont want a $2,000 bill for data charges...

that example was a response to your statement ie 1 sen makes no difference...thats all wink.gif

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like i go buy ice cream at rm1.99, what the 1sen diff ? round off to RM2.00 also come to the same thing

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macha

if willing u playing to pay RM2000 for your internet bill i dont mind

other than that it make no sense
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing
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QUOTE(AhBoy~~ @ Nov 19 2010, 06:11 PM)
this is why i telling.. it make no sense

last week i go tesco, aunty all rush go buy milo price dunno what but 97sen behind... if round off system is still rm 1
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this is why i telling.. it make no sense

last week i go tesco, aunty all rush go buy milo price dunno what but 97sen behind... if round off system is still rm 1
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lol...it;s 6pm..i see nothing yet..countdown shows 0.. lol
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it's launched..

directed to http://www.yes.my/portal/public/ytlc/
but i stil see nothing

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chicken or beef..
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seems nak kluar dah.. but still white page...
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA...........YES YTL a bigges F on their lounching!!!! ahahaha

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YTL Comms to launch 'Yes 4G Network'

YTL Communications Sdn Bhd, a unit of YTL Power International Bhd, has launched what it claims to be the "most affordable" 4G Mobile Internet service with voice via the "Yes 4G network".

Users just have to "pay-as-you-go(use)" of nine sen for 3mb of data, one minute of calls or one short message service.

"Yes" also offers a rebate of up to 30 per cent to power users who consume high amounts of data, it said in a statement released in conjunction with the launch here on Friday.


This will effectively reduce the already attractive rates to as low as two sen per MB or RM20 per GB while offering users the power to self-manage by setting temporary data caps.



At the launching, YTL Communications and Samsung also introduced the world's first all 4G mobile phone called the "Yes Buzz." - Bernama[cool.gif

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Disappointing dudes. Say No.

http://www.soyacincau.com/2010/11/19/yes-4...or-higher-usage
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4g cant even handle traffic to their website..lol
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503 Service Temporary Unavailable.

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

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For Data usage 2.5GB, RM9 rebate
For data usage 3GB, RM23 rebate (why so huge different?!?)
For data usage 4GB and above, 30% rebate for every GB used.
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503 Service Temporary Unavailable.

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

(too many traffic)
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COME go jalan alor eat chicken wing 1st !!
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COME go jalan alor eat chicken wing 1st !!
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QUOTE(9M-MAS @ Nov 19 2010, 06:22 PM)
nice info dudes..
waffak like this.. better i stick to my Umobile..
and i use 2.4mbps peewant
desa pandan reception i goog.. always above 2mbps
kns.. gimix only
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b4 launch YES... after launched become NO
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rclxms.gif LOL. Seriously, all potential YES customers should stay off YES for like awhile until they are stabled down.

30mins after 6pm and its still Time out. Its a laughing stock.

Imagine when you are with them, you see that in EVERY PAGE. LOOOL!!! rclxms.gif
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they just switch their site to
http://www.no.my/

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Just curious, let say if we pay for 6GB. After that, does we need to top up again in order to get online. It not similar like other ISP when we reach the limit, we can still surf but with low speed after throttle. rclxub.gif
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what's their helpdesk no?
i wanna kol em now.. report page perobelem.. kenit sign up..
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hey guys... come see http://www.facebook.com/#!/Yes4G

hahahahhaa.... many ppl who say YES... Now say Ohhhhh NOOOOO!!! wakakakakakakaka!!!
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YES or NO
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really zzz...

why got uk launch oso? why need go until uk?

I tot lot10 lauching?
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really zzz...

why got uk launch oso? why need go until uk?

I tot lot10 lauching?
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to prove they can make joke until uk is laughing to us..nevermind..my place not covered
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QUOTE(rock_world @ Nov 19 2010, 06:55 PM)
to prove they can make joke until uk is laughing to us..nevermind..my place not covered
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lol...and the yes phone like china phone..

y cant they make it more 'yeng' and nice...less function nvm..

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it not china..but samsung china kot..
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1 hour already, but still cannot access the pages.. what a shame
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Thanks for the info.
I get how VOIP works but I was referring to the situation you stated above about receiving calls on your smartphone app.
Unless that smartphone is from YES you would have to subscribe to another BB service to allow your YES app to receive calls.
And YES devices won't work outside Malaysia.
Hence two subscriptions.
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The app can be installed with any phone running on various type of OSes such as Android, Apple iOS or Symbian if they have competent software team.

It is true you can't use their devices outside Malaysia but remember that their services is using userid/password to login. You'll just need to login on your app just like any other IM apps and then leave it on the background.It can be just like your Skype, Google and MSN account.

All you need is just a internet connection. Launch the app on your laptop/smartphone, connect to the internet, logon, leave it on at the background and wait for your call.
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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 19 2010, 07:09 PM)
The app can be installed with any phone running on various type of OSes such as Android, Apple iOS or Symbian if they have competent software team.

It is true you can't use their devices outside Malaysia but remember that their services is using userid/password to login. You'll just need to login on your app just like any other IM apps and then leave it on the background.It can be just like your Skype, Google and MSN account.

All you need is just a internet connection. Launch the app on your laptop/smartphone, connect to the internet, logon, leave it on at the background and wait for your call.
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My point being if you use it on your non-YES smartphone like the iphone that means two service subscription.
One for YES and the other to (eg.) iPhone on Maxis or Digi.
Not practical-lah.
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 19 2010, 07:15 PM)
My point being if you use it on your non-YES smartphone like the iphone that means two service subscription.
One for YES and the other to (eg.) iPhone on Maxis or Digi.
Not practical-lah.
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1 single account will do. There are lots of hotspots and free net access overseas at public places such as airport, malls as such.
If that is the case you just pay for calls using Yes and probably some data charges which exceed 1GB if moderately used. If it's a free hotspot u pay nothing.

Its' still WAY cheaper than mobile roaming.I take that you have not used mobile roaming before. The calls can cost you RM10-20 per minute.
Those who live at country borders will know these situation when they accidentally make calls when connected to partnering countries mobile networks.
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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 19 2010, 07:19 PM)
1 single account will do. There are lots of hotspots and free net access overseas at public places such as airport, malls as such.
If that is the case you just pay for calls using Yes and probably some data charges which exceed 1GB if moderately used. If it's a free hotspot u pay nothing.

Its' still WAY cheaper than mobile roaming.I take that you have not used mobile roaming before. The calls can cost you RM10-20 per minute.
Those who live at country borders will know these situation when they accidentally make calls when connected to partnering countries mobile networks.
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Then your non-YES smartphone won't ring unless you connect to the hotspot first. sad.gif
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Their website still down even after 2 hours of launching... seh!!!
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Does this Yes thing requires a new 4G phone? Since it uses user ID, is it possible to login with a Nokia N95 just like that while running on 3G network?
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QUOTE(faizalmzain @ Nov 8 2010, 10:57 PM)
RM10/1GB is cheap enough. i would sign up right away since my usage monthly circa 3GB++ only. smile.gif

digi internet = RM68/3GB
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NO. P1 home Plus (1.2Mbps) is RM99 for 20GB. And I normally finish 20GB per month.
By the way, the pricing for Yes 4G is :
first 2.5GB - 3 sen per MB
2.5GB to 3GB - 2.64 sen per MB
3GB to 4GB - 2.25 sen per MB
4GB or more will be charged 2.10 sen per MB

So 20GB is 75 + 13.2 + 22.5 +336 = 446.7, about 4.5 times of the price of P1 home plus.

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Does this Yes thing requires a new 4G phone? Since it uses user ID, is it possible to login with a Nokia N95 just like that while running on 3G network?
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No, you can't... at this moment, you need to use their own device coz there's no sim card for YES...
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my digi ,never use more than 100mb.

just FB only
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No, you can't... at this moment, you need to use their own device coz there's no sim card for YES...
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It's not a matter of a sim card, the technology is completely different.
It's like trying to listen to FM on your shortwave radio.
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my digi ,never use more than 100mb.

just FB only
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Then Yes is good for you, only use RM3 per month.. smile.gif
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very disappointing lo. my usage usually very low and once i saw the "minimum rm30 per month", i close the window immediately.
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QUOTE(tytung @ Nov 19 2010, 08:19 PM)
NO. P1 home Plus (1.2Mbps) is RM99 for 20GB. And I normally finish 20GB per month.
By the way, the pricing for Yes 4G is :
first 2.5GB  - 3 sen per MB
2.5GB to 3GB - 2.64 sen per MB
3GB to 4GB  -  2.25 sen per MB
4GB or more will be charged 2.10 sen per MB

So 20GB is 75 + 13.2 + 22.5 +336 = 446.7, about 4.5 times of the price of P1 home plus.
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If you use 20GB in one month, it's 2.10 sen for the whole 20GB.
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Perfect timing or what?

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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 19 2010, 09:02 PM)
If you use 20GB in one month, it's 2.10 sen for the whole 20GB.
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OK then it's still 4.2 times as much as my current P1 package.
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http://www.facebook.com/Yes4G#!/album....937676&comments

c yes 4g fb reply.. = =

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Hi everyone, we are experiencing heavy traffic to our website now. Sorry for the inconvenience but thank you all for all that enthusiasm!


Heavy traffic at site? More like 1000000000000000%% down, nothing to accessed at all biggrin.gif
What enthusiasm? Ppl are more disappointed and pissed doh.gif
M'sian way, acting as if nothing happened...it is stil very successful.


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i just got back from lot10.. woww to many ppl out there.. and i see some device can`t log into internet...LOLLL!!! what the f*** is YTL yes doing!! partying huhh??
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i just got back from lot10.. woww to many ppl out there.. and i see some device can`t log into internet...LOLLL!!! what the f*** is YTL yes doing!! partying huhh??
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bro explain some details to us le..

what's the plan? how does it work? simless? monthly commitment?
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heavy user need use TMNUT. no choice.

all other telco .. lppl.. suckxx

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i don't mind switching to yes for internet if their speed on average 4mbps and above since my usage per month is moderate only.
currently i paid RM48/month for digi internet signed up during promo period but their service is very unstable and slow at night since the past few months in my area.


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Yes. I would give them a trust on that before comment anything. Usage and rate not really mean to me, as long as is reasonable and affordable.

For me, I need a connection which is fast and reliable. Also, good customer service, if got leng lui serve me then would be better thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(faizalmzain @ Nov 19 2010, 09:40 PM)
i don't mind switching to yes for internet if their speed on average 4mbps and above since my usage per month is moderate only.
currently i paid RM48/month for digi internet signed up during promo period but their service is very unstable and slow at night since the past few months in my area.
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probably, YES still can get some customer like us... I'm also a light user. Just that really disappointed with all the chaos with YES website and the RM30 minimum monthly commitment... at first, they said PAYU, out of sudden come out this RM30 monthly commitment. seh!!!
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rm30/month commitment ? i cant log in to the website, anyone can paste here? tq
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QUOTE(yangxi @ Nov 19 2010, 09:55 PM)
say no to yes
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i have already said NO to Streamyx, Maxis, Celcom & P1... only left Digi & YES... now, also says NO to Digi... therefore, just left YES only... (To be frank, i haven't tried P1 yet but ppl doesn't recommend it due to poor service)

Note: These are the 6 telcos available at my area... how pity I am. I just want a stable and reliable internet only.

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If Yes doesn't turn out as it should be, YTL might just go the Vincent Tan route.
Sell the company away, profit and take leave.

Their package plan suits people who use it on smartphones with voice plan.Unfortunately, there are not many smartphones out there which supports WIMAX 4G yet and even the iPhone. It'll never compete directly with Streamyx and UniFi because those users are doing like >20GB of downloads per DAY. You can match them in speed but you'll never beat them in volume.




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the rm30/m commitment is like tying you to "postpaid" plans already sweat.gif
and then it's still P.A.Y.U..but luckily it's prepaid...else you will suicide seeing the bill in the end of the month brows.gif


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TMNUT execs are laffing their rear ends off at YES and YTL.... They still stand for best RM per GB.... They know their customer base is safe.. no one can compete on their terms lol..

So much for all that YTL billions.. all comes to naught lol....

I stand with them laughing at YES for their lameness.... and poor launch, poor terms, poor volume.... lol..... enjoying my 1 TB per month...

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YES 3.75G is ISP or TELCO??
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QUOTE(solarmystic @ Nov 19 2010, 10:18 PM)
g at YES for their lameness.... and poor launch, poor terms, poor volume.... lol..... enjoying my 1 TB per month...
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So you're part of TM afterall?

No one dares trying 1TB with Yes.


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YES 3.75G  is ISP or TELCO??
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Judging from their pay as you use plan they aim to be a mobile telco more offering voice calls on a pure data network more than being an isp.

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 19 2010, 10:22 PM)
So you're part of TM afterall?

No one dares trying 1TB with Yes.


Added on November 19, 2010, 10:24 pm

Judging from their pay as you use plan they aim to be a mobile telco more offering voice calls on a pure data network more than being an isp.
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even millionaire wont dare to try that with YES

YTL trying to be telco but failed miserably cause no Wimax signal can reach 13th floor and above.. so cant recieve call doh.gif doh.gif laugh.gif


As I write this, Lucas is busily trying to get connected to the YES 4G network. I can tell from his initial reaction that he isn’t too impressed since we can barely get a signal from the 13th floor, and his departure to the ground floor in hopes of locking down a better signal reminds me of P1 WiMAX’s fatal flaw – the inability to get online on a higher floor in an office block / condominium.

This is worrying because YTL Communications are banking on YES 4G’s voice over data service as a unique selling point, and if you can’t get online on the 13th floor, then there’s a fat chance of you receiving or making a call on your YES 4G phone here.


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QUOTE(ks98 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:01 PM)
i have already said NO to Streamyx, Maxis, Celcom & P1... only left Digi & YES... now, also says NO to Digi... therefore, just left YES only... (To be frank, i haven't tried P1 yet but ppl doesn't recommend it due to poor service)

Note: These are the 6 telcos available at my area... how pity I am. I just want a stable and reliable internet only.
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we are on the same boat.
i've used maxis bb, celcom bb before digi, all disappointing after certain period of time.
now digi also the same case, the service deteriorate after a while.

i do not dare to sign up P1 because of bad review here.
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I'm interested on how the simless work on mobile phone  hmm.gif  ..
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yes how does it work? I have my iphone do I need t buy a new 4G device?
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using yes now... coverage not very strong.. but havent disconnect since i connect.. not bad
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how is the speed??? what speed u get it?
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QUOTE(faizalmzain @ Nov 19 2010, 09:40 PM)
i don't mind switching to yes for internet if their speed on average 4mbps and above since my usage per month is moderate only.
currently i paid RM48/month for digi internet signed up during promo period but their service is very unstable and slow at night since the past few months in my area.
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YTL has RM30 acommitment every month on top of their monthly charges


Added on November 19, 2010, 10:35 pm
QUOTE(falcon21 @ Nov 19 2010, 09:19 PM)
http://www.facebook.com/Yes4G#!/album....937676&comments

c yes 4g fb reply.. = =
Heavy traffic at site? More like 1000000000000000%% down, nothing to accessed at all  biggrin.gif 
What enthusiasm? Ppl are more disappointed and pissed  doh.gif
M'sian way, acting as if nothing happened...it is stil very successful.
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this is YES Amazing 4G product can't even manage traffic on their website and worst they have no customer service to call! They seem to be directing enquries to Lot 10 (walk in)!

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QUOTE(Evenlight @ Nov 19 2010, 10:33 PM)
YTL has RM30 acommitment every month on top of their monthly charges


Added on November 19, 2010, 10:35 pm
this is YES Amazing 4G product can't even manage traffic on their website and worst they have no customer service to call! They seem to  be directing enquries to Lot 10 (walk in)!
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Eh here's a question.

How do you terminate their service?
Do I need to make a personal visit to their centre at Lot 10?
I doubt it's like prepaid where it auto terminates without top up after 3 months.
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QUOTE(ks98 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:01 PM)
i have already said NO to Streamyx, Maxis, Celcom & P1... only left Digi & YES... now, also says NO to Digi... therefore, just left YES only... (To be frank, i haven't tried P1 yet but ppl doesn't recommend it due to poor service)

Note: These are the 6 telcos available at my area... how pity I am. I just want a stable and reliable internet only.
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a fren of mine said p1 are poor on connection , and i heard my cousin talk about tis ,actually the name is ytl or yes?? they having event on lot10???!
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QUOTE(ulart_mie @ Nov 19 2010, 10:33 PM)
how is the speed??? what speed u get it?
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very low coverage at setapak here... will test the speed when i reach home..
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yes, must hv fair policy. But there got without quota but the price is amazing
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Very expensive for downloader. 3GB quota for RM92+.

With this speed you will use up all the credit you have. Better stay with your current provider.
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QUOTE(aspirez @ Nov 19 2010, 10:41 PM)
yes, must hv fair policy. But there got without quota but the price is amazing
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what kind of amazing.. good or bad whistling.gif
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very low coverage at setapak here... will test the speed when i reach home..
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u said very low coverage in setapak... omg i live near setapak, im at pasar besar gombak.. i toot i see the coverage map the 4g YES BERUKBAN IS FULLY FULL COVERAGE??? vmad.gif
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yes theme song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwT5hxUc3wA
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the price is too high, rather take celcom broadband rm50 student pack.
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QUOTE(yangxi @ Nov 19 2010, 10:47 PM)
YES dont deserve that.. that song to good for Yes even though he f**ked up in the middle of it cool.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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Freaking old school stuff.


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QUOTE(Evenlight @ Nov 19 2010, 10:33 PM)
YTL has RM30 acommitment every month on top of their monthly charges


Added on November 19, 2010, 10:35 pm
this is YES Amazing 4G product can't even manage traffic on their website and worst they have no customer service to call! They seem to  be directing enquries to Lot 10 (walk in)!
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from my understanding, the rm30 commitment is min payment per month right?
not monthly usage + RM30.
when i said moderate usage, my usage per month is around 3GB, not below 1GB.

i don't mind paying slightly more if the service is fast and reliable.
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rm30/month commitment ? i cant log in to the website, anyone can paste here? tq
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Screenshot courtesy of whistler.

QUOTE(Evenlight @ Nov 19 2010, 10:29 PM)
yes how does it work? I have my iphone do I need t buy a new 4G device?
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Yes. You can't use your iPhone directly, only through wifi to YES mifi device.
And even then you will need a (non-existent) YES app to receive calls.
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QUOTE(BasicCX @ Nov 19 2010, 10:42 PM)
Very expensive for downloader. 3GB quota for RM92+.

With this speed you will use up all the credit you have. Better stay with your current provider.
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i think YTL service is more for surfing ad-hoc kinda thing...really not advisable for downloaders since they're on prepaid policy..
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QUOTE(BasicCX @ Nov 19 2010, 10:42 PM)
Very expensive for downloader. 3GB quota for RM92+.

With this speed you will use up all the credit you have. Better stay with your current provider.
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if you use 3GB, the rebate is RM23, after the rebate the rate is about the same as other operators. obviously the service is not for heavy downloaders.
with that in mind, i hope their network will not be congested like any other operators after quite sometime rclxms.gif

right now i need to know average speed from users before i can decide to sign up or not.
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haha..their website is down ....adoi...very bad impression here bro's at YTL here..
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 19 2010, 11:13 PM)
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Screenshot courtesy of whistler.
Yes. You can't use your iPhone directly, only through wifi to YES mifi device.
And even then you will need a (non-existent) YES app to receive calls.
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Not sure they have a competent software development team to come out with apps for Android,Apple iOS, Symbian and Windows Mobile

After noticing their over-hyped but bad launch I doubt they have the expertise in R&D for this to happen. They'll probably be buying the solution for some unknown IM app only for the PC.
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They should stick network access 1st before venture into others like voip & sms...

If they manage to manage their network properly than no problem launching others service..
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they claim their coverage 60%++ nationwide (not like p1.. advertising 1st, after that only build transmission tower)... at johor i think only 5% covered... hampeh... cakap besar...tapi tak serupa bikin...
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If it weren't for the minimum RM30 usage condition, I'd sign up right now.

Why do they need a minimum usage anyway?
You'd think they would want as many subscribers as possible.
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They should stick network access 1st before venture into others like voip & sms...

If they manage to manage their network properly than no problem launching others service..
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I'll still probably subscribe to them but wait until their phone comes out.
Though they might not be good in being a good isp, their call plans are really enticing.

I do make calls and getting the Samsung Buzz or other phones might be a better idea.
Topping up RM30-50 per month is more than enough for my monthly calling and some light surfing on the phone.

If they are smart and direct their plans towards competing DiGi's Smart plan or Maxis Postpaid, they might still have a chance to survive.

Start introducing more 4G phones into the market. I must say they should not put hope in competing in the isp arena already since the launch was an utter failure.

9cents/min they are ready to take on Maxis's highest Value Plan and can be quite the driving force.
They still have chance if they stick to the voice call market
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I still cannot access their website. Is the response that overwhelming?
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 19 2010, 11:36 PM)
If it weren't for the minimum RM30 usage condition, I'd sign up right now.

Why do they need a minimum usage anyway?
You'd think they would want as many subscribers as possible.
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RM30 commitment if you use for voice calls is still way cheaper than DiGi's SmartPlan or DG30
With only 9cents/min, they make a good voice package plan even at RM30.

What say?

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QUOTE(faizalmzain @ Nov 19 2010, 11:16 PM)
if you use 3GB, the rebate is RM23, after the rebate the rate is about the same as other operators. obviously the service is not for heavy downloaders.
with that in mind, i hope their network will not be congested like any other operators after quite sometime rclxms.gif

right now i need to know average speed from users before i can decide to sign up or not.
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speedtest at lot 10 with quite a lot of crowd was 8.8mbps download, 9mbps upload. areas nearer towers/stations or strong signals can get up to 11mbps download.
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this is the speed with just 1 bar of reception.

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