I just got my new Myvi and found out that the speaker does not have bass. Much worse than my desktop speaker at home.
Then manage to find this forum here, ICE.

I am a total noob on car audio system here. My only wish is only better music listening but
not to spend a great deal(eg >RM1k) and
not to get into some ayam brand,
and also possible not adding some really big woofer or amplifier at my boot.
Sorry if I offend people with really nice and good sound system with big amplifier and woofer, I do think that its very nice, but I need the boot space.

What is that I can do to start off with ?

read around the ICE sub-forum. plenty of recommendations given. for starters, get a good component set (around 600 bucks, eg. Dominations D'Lite) and HU (Alpine 100EUB, 500 bucks). save more for amp/woofer later.

You definitely need to budget first.

An HU would be good to start with...

...But last time I changed comp set first, and I can hear the difference already (Focal 165A1)...

But to mount speaker for Myvi, you will need to make/cut a mould on your door trim... Since yours is a new car, you willing to sacrifice that not?

Even if you change the HU, you will need to replace the HU casing too....

Headache not?

As a petrol head in essence, I can't get rid of this thought in my mind about steps in improving audio quality:
1. amp + woofer + complete wiring including those to the front speakers
2. front component speakers (unplug the factory rear speakers)
3. sound damping
4. head unit

Maybe those audiophiles in essence thinks otherwise?

in essense...

my opinion would be:
1. HU
2. Amp
3. driver
4. amp + sub

but that only applies when the ride has a shall we say proper factory ICE setup like the city, sentra, latio etc. which unlike myvi with a 4" up front...

so my essense for a myvi:
1. front component
2. HU
3. Amp
4. amp + sub

step 2 & 3 reverse if the deck is without built-in amp...

The head unit meaning the cd player that part right?

Thank you for all the replies. But i probably might just want to do it once off, as in might not be getting other things later. Is there anything like whole package(preferabaly without taking boot space, still preserve the look of the original car but improves sound system) that somebody can refer me to?

Why is it so complicated to improve car audio system?!! Isn't it much simpler to improve the sound system on a pc?!

there's a package for myvi that give u a big jump with 2k budget. pm me if interest.

wow thanks for the offer but its a little out of my budget for now....

its hard to improve a car audio because

1. you are basically limited to the fact that the speaker placing isnt always the most optimum position...
2. your sitting position is not center of the 2 front drivers...
3. the speakers mostly runs free air... which it could be a huge problem when your computer speaker hasnt got its "box"

thats the biggest problem i always see so far...

Not simple for myvi.... especially without the 6.5" hole for speaker....

if u are looking for bass only, u can install an active subwoofer which can help u save a lot of space.
by if u are looking for better sound quality, u have to spend few hundreds to modified ur door panel, not simply cut a hole and put in the speaker... u have to make a speaker mounting for ur speaker, wood is ideal choice for mounting...
dont install the aftermarket speaker casing, it will only spoil ur sound quality, custom make casing is the right way...
if ur budget less than 1k, u can install a 6' component set and get ur door panel modified properly...

maybe u can consider using 2nd hand amp & woofer. For component set, it's cheap so new set should be fine. Also, find a HU with usb port. Sure u wont regret it. Btw, I got mine complete set for around RM1.6K. All not chap ayam one.

Yes I totally dont mind a second hand set at all. Buying a sound system is not really to look at it but to listen to sound quality right.

An active sub woofer u say ? Meaning if I just want to add some bass to the original sound quality i just install an active sub woofer will do ?

active sub has an inbuilt amp together with the subwoofer. Normally shallow enough to fit under ur car seat. Not the best of choice of sub as we never consider it as a 'sub'. Good enough for those budget conscious and not a hardcore icer.

From this website here :

hxxp://kereta.info/basic-car-audio-system-specification-upgrade-installation-price/

which tallies with most of what have been discussed in this ICE forum. Basic thing to do to be satisfactory will be to change the

head unit and component set.

But if want more then only add amplifier and subwoofer later.

But the head unit in Myvi really that terrible mehhh ?? I quite like the design of the head unit thoughh..

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Added on July 27, 2010, 11:10 pmOh.. so IF i were to get that, I dont have to change the head unit nor component set, only add the active sub ?

Results will be satisfactory ?




This post has been edited by munchu87: Jul 27 2010, 11:10 PM

suggest you go for HU and components. the active sub really wasting money only.

The limitation of stock HU is the function... But if you think the function suit your taste, then just leave it.

Result is subjective.... you have to at least listen to it first.

Experience wise, after install... DON'T jump into cars with box subwoofer....

This post has been edited by MyWifeCar: Jul 29 2010, 02:19 PM

hahaha so early you poison ppl.............

since he's not interested in SQ (sound quality) and just want some bass, then yes go ahead and just add the active sub and install under the seat first. if u have some extra cash left, can change the front 4inch speakers to coaxials.

later on, when u have the budget add component speaker set for the front and a 2ch amp maybe.

changing the stock HU while maintaining ur stock speakers really makes a difference! i start off with changing HU too...happy icing

active sub will do the trick for people who just want the little extra bass, but of course, if like all sifu here play real ICE than tak boleh lo active sub hehe

Hi thank you for your reply, but if possible I really do not wish to change the original look of the head unit. It looks very well intergrated with other things in the car.

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Added on July 28, 2010, 2:53 pmyeah... all are really professional ICE player... Salutee...!!

Feeling like I am wasting their time. haha.

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Added on July 28, 2010, 2:57 pmThank you for the reply. As I am very new I went to search for what coaxial and component speakers.

To my understanding is that component speakers are better than coaxial speakers.

When you said ADD COMPONENT SPEAKER, do you mean I have to add this component speaker to my exisiting coaxial speaker? Or I have to take out the coaxial speaker, and install the component speaker ?

Also, With that adding of adtive sub and changing the speaker(either coaxial or component), it is not necessary for me to change the HU right ?


This post has been edited by munchu87: Jul 28 2010, 02:57 PM

not really la, but of course there are ppl who put their topic, wanna play sq, budet for everything less than 1 k haha, apa macam ni

for us, just some bass, speaker change mid range also happy liao, for many that consider good

but if ask here,ppl like zenn , haha, itu mid level juga belum sampai i guess haha

Hi I got a question to ask,

Myvi dashboard speaker is 4" right, meaning if I want to add the coaxial speaker I can only add a 4" speaker? No other sizes ?

yup, unless u put it at ur door panel

any recommendation for entry level component speaker??

haha i only sell normal speaker only, search around lo, see ur budget aroud how much? hehe

yes components r better than coaxials, but u will need an amp to power them up, coaxials no need, can play direct from HU.

add comps, preferably to replace the coaxials la, once u have the budget for it, both comps & amps..

no u dont need to change the player when adding active sub & coaxials..

Thank you everybody for all the input. Looking at everybody's helpful advise and my own satisfaction and taste and budget, I have come up with this conclusion.

1)I will add a component speaker by Boschmann, AL-100SE. Its a 4" 2 way speaker.

2)I will add an active sub woofer,name Steelmate SW 826, can be bought from LYN forummer, sh@rty.

I will not change the head unit.

Will my original head unit be able to support these? And any other advise or recommendation before I go ahead ?

Thank you very much

This post has been edited by munchu87: Jul 29 2010, 04:13 PM

Can support... why cannot support le? I thought Zenn suggested you to go for coaxial 4", no?

This thing look like tweet and speaker is splitted into 2.... Wonder how you gonna position the tweet....

don't install the 4'component, unless u r installing a RM3k 4' components..
wat u expect from ur ice? if juz wan some bass, jz go 4 active subwoofer, changing 4' component wont help.

wat's the different between rm300 4" comp set and rm3k 4" comp set?

if i am rite, he wan some bass tats why he buy the actie sub,

aand myvi ori sound reli sucks, so change comp set just to have a better sound, not those high end sound

imho

Oh ok... not even a coaxial set then ??

Yes I have been advised to take the coaxial set first.
But because I thought a component set is better than coaxial set and the price does not really differ too much (around RM70),
thats why I choose to have a component set.

So suggestion is that just adding an active sub ? Do not have to change the 4" speaker as 4" just wont help ?

Thank you for all the replies.

for normal use, coaxial is ok...
6 ' component will make a great improvement, but u have to spend about Rm400 to modified ur door...
if u wan 2 keep the original myvi cd player look, u can install ur player in the space below the air-cond control button...
a good installer is the most important factor...

now the poor boy is confused............

Bro,
change to components, not 4" but 6" comps.
add the active sub if you must (i suggest you listen to the comps 1st then decide if you still need the active sub cause you can easily add later)

you will need to build a mount for the 6" midbass speaker at the door.
no need amp, just wire direct to HU.

jz a comparison only... 4' component want to have great result, really difficult to find, some high-end brand does offer 4 componenents.. bt 4' still have their limits...

Ahhh... I guess I will skip the 6" component set since I have to modify my door.

In that case I see that a 4" coaxial speaker is good enough, for me at least

And then adding an active sub also, and not chaning the HU.

Is that OK, didineo ?

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Added on July 30, 2010, 1:07 amThank you for your reply.

But I think I will not build a mount for the 6" speaker. If changing the 4" speaker to a coaxial speaker is good enough for normal listening, then that's what is probably good enough for me too.

Appreciate your comment

This post has been edited by munchu87: Jul 30 2010, 01:07 AM

i feel tat suit u the most, hmm, comp for front also ok, the reason i didnt rekomen a 6 inch is because i understand tat u dun wan heavy mod on ur car, especially like changigng hu and etcc..

Yes. I definitely want to improve the original sucky sound system but do not wish to modify the car heavily...

[quote=munchu87,Jul 30 2010, 01:05 AM]
Ahhh... I guess I will skip the 6" component set since I have to modify my door.

In that case I see that a 4" coaxial speaker is good enough, for me at least

And then adding an active sub also, and not chaning the HU.

Is that OK, didineo ?

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Added on July 30, 2010, 1:07 am

is ok, but don't expect a huge improvement la... but for sure the bass will better than original myvi...

I tink front go for a comp would be good haha, rather than coaxial, afterall u already got active sub, u dun reli need the 4 inch to help u produce bass

ya, if u r not goin 2 consider 6' component, 4' component and 4 coaxial nt much different, jz the 4' component has 2 driver. techncally, component set is better than coaxial systems...

This post has been edited by didineo: Jul 30 2010, 01:48 AM

Ohhh... but nevertheless, if to just change the original speaker to a 4" coaxial speaker it will have a slightly little bit of improvement in performance.

Would you agree with that ? Or in your opinion, just do not bother about changing the 4" speaker at all.

Meaning at the end I just add an active sub.

Oh my god sorry for all the noob questions. And thank you very much for answering them.

worst come yto worst, fix active sub than decide on second step

I personal opinion on Myvi is....
They have very clear highs and mids....
The LOW boom boom is NOT even there...
So adding a sub first is a wiser choice than changing to ANOTHER coaxial speaker... I don't see a point here...
If i were you, IF I want to change the front speaker to make it sound better, I'll save up and get a 6.5" Component straight up... No second thoughts...

Again...
That's only my thoughts...

er, i think u must get the point first, isnt budget problem for not getting 6.5 inch, is he dont wan heavy modification.

Cheers

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Added on July 30, 2010, 11:35 amer, i think u must get the point first, isnt budget problem for not getting 6.5 inch, is he dont wan heavy modification.

Cheers

This post has been edited by Sh@rty 5: Jul 30 2010, 11:35 AM

I didn't say anything about budget.
I was just saying, IF I WERE HIM, I would not change the Coaxial cause it won't make much difference.

Adding a Sub, no matter active or passive, would make a bigger difference.

AGAIN, that's only my thoughts

1 cent opinion.

Cheers

[quote=Newgen,Jul 30 2010, 11:43 AM]


I didn't say anything about budget.
I was just saying, IF I WERE HIM, I would not change the Coaxial cause it won't make much difference.

Adding a Sub, no matter active or passive, would make a bigger difference.

O ok haaha cause i saw u using the word save up

Well, that's for IF and ONLY IF he wants to mah... hehehe
Save up = Save up time and money

LOL

Cheers

em, yes u can install an active sub 1st, then jz add a pair of tweeter, don't bother the 4'speaker. u will feel the improvement too.
tweeter plays an important role.
coaxial systems also have tweeter, jz the tweeter is place in the same driver of the mid range. u can hear the improvements too..

well, simple and cheap mod.

4" focal coaxial + steelmate 826V

Thank you for the input.

Yes, I have been advised to take a 6.5" component speaker too. But been put off due to the fact that I have to cut a hole on the door and installing it, and yet costing another rm400.

So decided to do the way the way that has less mod.

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Added on July 30, 2010, 6:16 pmOhhh okok... cuz coaxial set has the tweeter and the speaker together right...

and now adding the tweeter will be like making it a coaxial set...

ICE is finally making some senses to me now !

This post has been edited by munchu87: Jul 30 2010, 06:16 PM

You got set the audio presets or not ? Bass -7 ? Treble 7 ?

Focal is the brand right if I am not wrong ?

I saw from your other thread.

Focal --- Polyglass 100CV1

Is this the one that you are referring it to ? Or is it not even 4" ?

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Added on July 30, 2010, 6:20 pmnope.... will that help ? I shall try .. thanks.

This post has been edited by munchu87: Jul 30 2010, 06:20 PM

for focal 4", get the access will be enuff..polyglass wont worth the money for ur application.

you should be getting 100CA1.

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Added on July 30, 2010, 9:41 pmanother way is use my custom 5" component mod to myvi kick panel....this trick can let u win EMMA beginner..lolz.....

This post has been edited by howiechoo: Jul 30 2010, 09:41 PM

haha winning beginner's EMMA.. that would be cool..... but still have to do mod much...

The Focal 100 CA1 that you are saying, i went googling and found out that it is already discontinued.

How much would it be if can be found here ?

interesting... do u mean EMMA thailand? any pictures of the installation.

didineo,

You were suggesting me to get tweeter, but there are so many kinds of tweeter, randing from RM10 to RM200. Can you please advise on what kind of tweeter is good ? I saw from some website saying the higher the Ohm the better ?

Don't have to be the best. Good enough to play with the original myvi HU and the speaker, and also the active sub...

don't get expensive 1, coz u don't hav crossover.. so no point if u get an expensive 1. component set is including a pasive crossover, so i if u wan better sound, go for component, if don't wan component, get a normal tweeter.

dude, the discontinued model is 100CA. not 100CA1...this is the newest model........