I gather that to you the best way would be to bring out our torches and pitchforks? If this is so, google this (liverpool; owners; fans; protests). The Glazers are still there aren't they?

Nothing but that wasn't my point was it? My point is that Liverpool fans go to great lengths to support the club, and not just when times are good. To answer your query on what's been done to rid the owners, look to my previous post.

Taking to the streets gets you attention, and puts pressure on those you are protesting against. If you really want to make a difference, you need to be in the boardroom, which is as I mentioned earlier, a long term goal of the SOS.

More reading material for you then.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7217238.stm

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-.../20080641303302

On a related matter, we once held an auction where we gave away t-shirts, posters and framed pictures for a nominal fee. One fan even auctioned off a potrait of Sami Hyypia she had created. This was to raise funds for Hillsborough. The response however was less than satisfactory. I'm disappointed that more don't walk the talk.

Indeed, our prayers should be with him. At the time I started supporting Liverpool, Ablett was a regular fixture at leftback but soon after, he lost his spot to Steve Staunton.

YNWA.

On the topic of Istanbul, please youtube the "That Night in May" series. I guarantee you'll shed a tear at least.

Mate, trust me when I saw you aren't the only one. In the time that I've been a football fan, I've noticed that winning trophies matters more to Liverpool fans than any other, probably because we aren't accustomed to winning, well not as much as the mancs or Chelsea anyway. Many of their fans grew up in a winning environment, so much so that 2 seasons without a trophy turns out to be a mild form of tragedy. It's simple really. When you have things come your way ever so often, you begin to take things for granted. Personally, such moments of glory will stick in my head forever. Memories of the game are so vivid, it was as though it was played yesterday. When I first started supporting Liverpool, we had just won our last league title and in the years that followed after, we had only won 3 cups including a League Cup and the Charity Shield, neither of which are worth a shout. Needless to say, when we won in Istanbul, years of pent up emotion burst out. It was the same for the 3000 odd Liverpool fans I was with in Hartamas until 6 am in the morning. Some of us stayed on and partied till 7am when daylight finally made us realise that we had to go home, shower and go to work! I've never seen such a celebration in my life. People were on the streets as cars stopped by where we were, with their drivers and passengers getting out to dance in the streets with us. Every other car that passed by honked in support. I saw what it meant to us and the sight of thousands of strangers coming together as one further cemented my belief on what it means to be part of Liverpool Football Club. It says a lot that we still speak about that night in May like it was yesterday. I sometimes get accused of living in the past but on the contrary, I just cherish it is all.

Back to the "One Night in May" video. 2 years after Istanbul, I made my maiden trip to Anfield with a friend. We watched the game against Arsenal in which we won 4-1. Prior to that, I visited the Liverpool FC museum and noticed a room dedicated to our triumph in Istanbul. I walked in and they were playing the "One Night in May" DVD. In the room was about 50 other fans who were sat in front of the screen. I joined them for a good 30 mins and by the end of it, I could see people brushing their eyes. I realised then that I wasn't overly sentimental and I no longer felt like a soppy little girl. Grown adults from other parts of the world wept as I did when I first watched the video!

Here's the difference mate. We actually had to live through our barren run.

Nice, didn't occur to me.

Jonno: Show off

I could not disagree more. I think that as a fan, you need to know something about the club you support. How can you like something you know nothing about? I can accept that fact that not everyone knows everything about the club but I find it baffling that when prompted to read, some don't bother. You can't know something you didn't know existed but to still ignore it after you do, is something I can't understand. Some claim that fans who know more, are boastful but it isn't about me being better than you. It's about me wanting you to be better and it's frustrating that some fan still don't see the importance in having to know about our history. Don't you find it embarassing that a manc could know more about your club than you do?

I can see why Liverpudians show little respect for OOTs (Out of Towners). They are frustrated that fans from other countries don't have the same sense of passion and commitment as they do. Like most football stadiums in England these days, Anfield isn't as noisy as it once was. This is because of an increasing number of foreign fans who don't even know the lyrics to "You'll Never Walk Alone". These days, songs come mainly from the Kop as season tickets are handed down generation after generation ensuring that there will always be a Scouse presence.

In reference to your comment on the S*N, it's especially important to the families of the 96 that perished and as a fellow fan, you need to make it important to you. I've said before that I'm just as much a fan of Liverpool fans as I am a fan of Liverpool, and I hope you feel the same way. I have great respect of fans who are so committed to the club, and so supportive of the club even when facing imminent defeat. Remember Istanbul? Remember the singing of YNWA at half time? Remember how fans came together to support Michael Shields? Remember how Liverpool fans set their differences aside with Everton to mourn the passing of Rhys Jones? Have you heard about the Justice campaign? Do you understand why thousands of fans gather at Anfield each year for the Hillsborough memorial? Aren't you even remotely curious to know more?

I understand that some comments can come across as harsh but you need to know that I can't for the life of me understand why you think it isn't important to know about the club you support. Once again, I completely disagree that you don't need to know about the club to support the club. In a day and age where fans buy into football brands more than they do football clubs, I think it's increasingly important for older fans to help educate youngers ones so names like Shankly, and memories like Hillsborough are always uttered and never forgotten.

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Added on August 8, 2010, 5:08 pmLike you, I'm equally frustrated that fans still use the word wrongly.

Once again everyone, "The Kop", named after the Spion Kop is a stand that houses our most vocal and hardcore supporters. The mancs have Stretford End and we have The Kop. Fans of Liverpool are therefore also knows as "Kopites".

The club is not known as "Kop". Not only is it gramatically wrong, it makes no sense.

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Man I can't help it. I suffer from a bad case of verbal diarrhea

Mate, I wasn't born either when Shankly was manager but that doesn't mean I can't read about him. I wasn't even a fan yet during Hillsborough. Anyway I agree that fans bashing one another isn't healthy. If some posters are guilty of coming across as being too harsh, some posters are coming across as being too nonchalant when it comes to this issue.

How you choose to support your club is entirely up to you. It is just my opinion that you should know about your club because to be honest, it's embarrasing when rival fans can point out something about your own club that you don't know. To reiterate what I said earlier, it's fine not to know. We weren't all born with built in knowledge. We learn as we go along just like anything else in life. I have no issues with fans not knowing and respect them if they want to know. It's when fans don't bother and choose not to read even when other posters feed them information that I find it hard to respect. Some of us invest in books and I know not everyone can but we share what we read. Having said that, all sorts of information is available these days on the net for free. Some people read gossip magazines because they like to hear about the latest news from Hollywood. Some read car magazines because they are motor heads. Other's read tech magazines because they like gadgets and gizmos. Similarly, I'd expect someone who likes Liverpool to read about Liverpool. Again, my opinion. I can't force you to be interested. I can only encourage. I want you to understand why Liverpool is so special to the fans and you can only do that if you know a little bit of history. It pains me to think that a fan might not have heard of names like Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Souness, Hughes, Smith, St. John, etc because these are legends of the club. Liverpool fans are constantly accused of living in the past simply because it is the hallmark of a Liverpool fan to know of our past. We need to remember that we were once a club languishing in the old Division 2 with minimal facilities, and in a matter of a few short years were transformed into one of the most feared sides in Europe by a man called Bill Shankly.

It isn't about being old and young. You may or you may not have seen Monstar posting on this thread. He's what? 22/23? I met him back in the day when I was organising viewing parties for Carlsberg. Actually, we met online and I told him to come to the game against the mancs some years back. If memory serves me he was only 17/18 at the time. He came alone and watched the game. Since then, he's learned all the songs and read about the club. I dare say he knows more about the club than I do. My point is this isn't about older fans trying to be better than younger fans because some young fans are even more passionate. I must say that it isn't all that common, but it isn't unheard off either.

Here's an example of what I mean. It's fine not to know just so long as you want to know.

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Added on August 9, 2010, 10:25 amHe kicked like a mule but he lacked finess. More often that not, he knocked out someone in row Z with his attempts. No denying his wonder strikes though. The most prominent one for me was his strike against the mancs that left Andy Gray creaming in his pants.

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Hmmm...

http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-leag...er-chelsea-star

Hard to believe that he's already 28. We've been crying out for someone with pace down the right flank for awhile now and if this rumour is true, he'd be a good fit I feel. It will give him the chance to re-establish himself in the England set up with the emergence of Lennon and Walcott and I'm sure he'll grab this opportunity with both hands.


If Jovanovic plays on the left, expect Cole to play in a more favoured central role.

Nice post, thanks for sharing

I'm not sure if we could have afforded O'Neill at the time.

On the issue of Dirk Kuyt, I've always felt that he is most effective in an advanced position, where he plays for Holland, on the right side of a three-pronged attack. In the season before the last, he played there for a number of games and bagged a fair share of goals. Our current set up means he doesn't play in this best position for me.

Masherano may stay? Well that's a plus but I reckon he'll be off in January.

Is our team strong? It's pretty much the same team as last season with the additions of Cole and Jovanovic. I'm still uncertain about the Serb. Since we've lost Benayoun, I'm not sure if he's made our squad stronger. Cole maybe, if he stays fit but let's manage our expectations shall we? I've a feeling that after a few average games, posters will be changing their tune

Please enlighten me as to how Hillsborough, and the boycotting of the S*N are synonomous with a 'glorious past'? How is paying tribute to the 96 that perished there even remotely related to trophies and achievements? Shankly isn't even our most successful manager but yet his name is uttered more than any other of our managers, why is that? Our songs aren't just random lyrics. They mean something, so how is wanting to memorise them, suggestive that someone is a glory hunter? It's when you don't know of our history that you assume it's because of records and trophies.

Interesting point raised. I am proud that Liverpool supporters have managed to make friends everywhere they go. Those who frequent the RAWK forum will note that it isn't uncommon to have fans of Besiktas, Olympiacos, AC Milan, Bayer Leverkusen, Genoa and so on come in for discussions. There is a great mutual respect between our fans and theirs. I'd like to share a moment I think typifies why I feel proud of how our fans conduct themselves. Sadly, it has to do with a tragic moment but it is during moments of adversity that we grow closer, unfortunately.

Some of you may already know that Olympiakos suffered their own tragedy in 1981 when 21 fans were killed at Gate 7 of the Karaiskaki Stadium. Over the course of a few years, several groups of Olumpiakos fans have regularly attended the annual Hillsborough memorial service. When we made it to Athens back in 2007, a group of Liverpool fans from the "Red All Over the Land" website made a similar pilgrimage to the memorial held at Gate 7. Aside from the pictures I've attached, I'm also including a post from a Liverpool fan on the official Olympiakos website.

Here's a link to a thread started on RAWK prior to the Athens final. http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=175237.0

It's the reason I've always stressed on how we conduct ourselves. It's stories like these that make me certain I've chosen the right club which is why I keep advocating for posters here to read up. I doubt anyone will refute that incidents like the above makes you feel that much more proud to be a Liverpool fan.

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Added on August 10, 2010, 3:14 pmIf it's any consolation, Jonno gave him some stick when he attended one of the MyRAWK viewing events Needless to say, he didn't look too happy.

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I remember that game as well. Was watching it with 3 mancs and boy, did I get some stick. Didn't know many Liverpool fans back then. So now that the season is going to start, can I assume you'll finally join us for a game since you've moved to kay el?


It's also the reason some regular posters have stopped posting here. Not too long ago, discussions were insighful. Now it's just based on current events and even then, you won't be blamed for mistaking them for twitter tweets.

It was indeed. We didn't just do it once either. We repeated the feat a season later. There's a VHS on it entitled "Kings of the Castle".


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We'll keep you posted. Usually at any one of these locations:-

1) Royak Oak in One Jaya
2) Library at the Curve
3) Ecoba in Damansara Perdana

We'll update you here http://my-rawk.com/

Ah dude, you gotta read up on Meijer. He wasn't the best footballer but he absolutely loves the club. Years after leaving, he was seen in a bar wearing a Liverpool kit and shouting his lungs out as we were playing in Istanbul. Here's a link. Be sure to focus on the story about him playing a reserves game. Says it all really.

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/blog/?p=121

Ah can't help it. Spoiler alert

Here's another classic Erik Meijer moment.



Didn't play a single game for us did he? From what I read, he was Houllier's spy in the dressing room.

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Added on August 10, 2010, 6:37 pmDidn't he injure himself in the process? Got a knock on his noggin.

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That's because he didn't play much

Yeah you need to dig pretty deep. Here are another couple of examples I've dug up on 'legendary' stories. I've summarised them and if anyone wants to read about the said players, just google him.

Another story surfaced right after Istanbul. Bruce was in a bar in Zimbabwe watching the match with several other 'Liverpool' fans who decided to cheer on AC Milan as we went 3-0 behind. This infuriarated him and he shouted at them, "you are not Liverpool fans!".