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Jet23sky
post Sep 2 2010, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Sep 2 2010, 08:58 AM)
U'r confused bro, I said that to bro jet23sky because he got TX850 (assuming, from his sig) so CF's a 5870 is no prob for him, unlike other people who are using lower wattage PSU and having a dillema such that: a CF'd 58xx series is value for money per performance but have to spent more on a new PSU...a 6 Series is the new card (plus no need to buy new PSU) but if compared to CF'ing a 58xx to upgrading to a 6 Seires in a financial point of view, fianacially CF'ing the 58xx is the choice.
FYI, to upgrade the card, you gotta sell your 58xx for cheap because of depreciation and need to top-up more to buy the 6 Series, whereas CF'ing the 5 Series you just need to buy another 'price-drop' 58xx series, or cheap via 2nd-hand card. 

DX12! Don't think Windows 7 has that support/compatibility yet, prolly will come out with Windows '8' or Windows 7 "V2"/patch...
Yup, the 6800 Series will have DirectX 12 but seriously, DX12 is really in the dark at the moment, dunno what it is capable of and more importantly, will games have DX12 support?

I think games will have DX11.5 that can be compatible with DX12 cards but I think I just rambling because it's too soon to speculate much...
Guys, any opinion on this????
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Haha.... You got me. Yeah... It is true that I plan to crossfire it during purchasing pc, thats why I choose TX850. Or else i might as well get RM200 cheaper power supply already. Ngek ngek. Actually in order to crossfire it, we just need 700 watt power supply. i overestimate the power usage of 5870 that time haha. Impress impress.....

The most reason that i'm thinking of upgrading to 6000 series is because i worry AMD might release the thing ( forgot wat name ) which can on par with Nvidia physics. And also performance difference. I won't be selling it so quickly until I read the real benchmark of 6000 series which I have done before before purchase of 5870.

Price dropped? Well.... I really don't give much hope on that cause ever since September 2009, ATI has never dropped 5870 graphic card price. Even it dropped, it might be just a bit only ( just try to scare nvidia 480 biggrin.gif ). so it might be quite some time to see 5870 drop until below RM1k like old 4890.

Overall 5000 series seems a little bit short during graphic era, if my memory serves correctly, 4000 series has already conquer 2 years back right? rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 2 2010, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Sep 2 2010, 06:46 PM)
Any sauce that shows HD6000 support dx12?
HD6000 still only support up to D3D11, there's no news about the D3D12 yet.
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HD6 will be most likely refresh of HD5 series. sweat.gif
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post Sep 2 2010, 09:50 PM

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just look at hd2000 to hd4000..improvement to the product before completely new architecture on hd5000

most important for me is price point and i dont want another stagnant price tag for a year lol
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post Sep 2 2010, 11:29 PM

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intimidatin' phenomena when looked back the price decrease so fast.....
5870 2nd value compared to 4 months back ~rm4++ differs

and DX11 games isn't downpour 2 earth....now people aredi talk bout DX12
haiyooo....so fast.....pocket burning situation....

*gaji saya kecil...nafsu PC besar...demn

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post Sep 3 2010, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(huzzLEE_82 @ Sep 2 2010, 11:29 PM)
intimidatin' phenomena when looked back the price decrease so fast.....
5870 2nd value compared to 4 months back ~rm4++ differs

and DX11 games isn't downpour 2 earth....now people aredi talk bout DX12
haiyooo....so fast.....pocket burning situation....

*gaji saya kecil...nafsu PC besar...demn
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relax bro..pelan2 kayuh..hehe..

plan to buy 5870,now only hunting for GC..nk CF ka,nk HD5970.. rclxub.gif

start funding to GC but still no idea which one to take but i think funding a bit more to 5970,no need to headache think about CFX 5870 and stand untill HD7xxx series.. tongue.gif
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post Sep 3 2010, 08:44 AM

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@angrysnail...wah really tat gud ka HD5970?
so powah & still can stand quite a time untill it will become obselete....
same dilemma here,nak CF 5870 ka or 5970...

so u have any advice base on technical poit of view?
like 4 sure CF5870 the power consumption a little higher than 5970..
but the pro & cons should b considered.....
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post Sep 3 2010, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(huzzLEE_82 @ Sep 3 2010, 08:44 AM)
@angrysnail...wah really tat gud ka HD5970?
so powah & still can stand quite a time untill it will become obselete....
same dilemma here,nak CF 5870 ka or 5970...

so u have any advice base on technical poit of view?
like 4 sure CF5870 the power consumption a little higher than 5970..
but the pro & cons should b considered.....
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Actually right now 5870 almost can play any game on ultra setting. ( Don't tell me those crazy graphic performance eater like metro 2033, crysis 2 etc, all even 5970 cant run it smoothly in ultra haha ) 5870 is enough to hang on until end of 2011, until that time you can get second 5870 graphic card to crossfire to save money or can straight get 7000 series.

Seriously I do not think 6000 series is not a good time to purchase cause we all know that the next generation of graphic card is compute graphic, which guessing 7000 series with smaller chipset will have the feature. And also it is possible that PCI-Express 3.0 will be release somewhere in 2011. ( Thats wat i read about the news, but not yet being confirmed ). Which that mean you most probably need to get a new motherboard >.<

Hopefully this 6000 series will give me some eyecandy and nice features for me to impress, or else, most probably will just crossfire it. P/S: crossfire 5870 performance is better than single 5970. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 3 2010, 09:07 AM

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my 4890 still serves well... but suffer lagging in some games...

i might move to 6k series if the performance improvement is good...

currently dont think a good move if moving from 4890 to 5 series... skip 2 generation we might see more improvement...


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post Sep 3 2010, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Sep 3 2010, 09:07 AM)
my 4890 still serves well... but suffer lagging in some games...

i might move to 6k series if the performance improvement is good...

currently dont think a good move if moving from 4890 to 5 series... skip 2 generation we might see more improvement...
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You can try to crossfire your 4890 though if you want... Best budget than ever....
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Sep 3 2010, 09:45 AM)
You can try to crossfire your 4890 though if you want... Best budget than ever....
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U think its a good buy? sure the 4890 is very good but the price is somewhat stagnant isn't it?
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Honestly, i have been sceptical about ATI cards, until my friend borrowed me his 4670 card. I must say im pretty impressed by it after a week usage. Its pretty much on par with nvidia cards. So now, i would be pretty torn between choosing a Nvidia or ATI for my next gfx smile.gif
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post Sep 3 2010, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Sep 3 2010, 09:57 AM)
U think its a good buy? sure the 4890 is very good but the price is somewhat stagnant isn't it?
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If you are look into the performance and cost, getting another 4890 is really better cause the performance is even can compare with 5870 or even higher. Also I mentioned before, with 5870 single card, I can run almost every game in ultra mode. So you wont lose anything in performance comparing the newest version. Dont look down at 4000 series. They are still potential in gaming performance.

If you are look into temperature, power usage and xtra feature like directx 11 or so. Changing the 5000 series or 6000 series would be better. But bear in mind, AMD will completely change the chipset even smaller after 6000 series generation. So comparing between 5000 and 6000 might be closer than comparing between 6000 and 7000 ( even though i dont know the 7000 performance though, but the performance wise, it has high performance potential due to chipset i truly believe ). And also the price of getting 4890 is on par with getting 5770 graphic card which performance wise, it will drop alot comparing crossfire 4890. So it's really up to you whether which one you prefer.

Of course I would prefer performance, game slow.... no need to talk about xtra feature, it wont speed up that much though tongue.gif, thats y I get 5870. icon_rolleyes.gif

My previous graphic card is 7600GT. Can you imagine how many era I have jumped since then whistling.gif

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ugh.. my previous card was Asus EAX300 hehehe.. only then got the Asus EAH5770 tongue.gif

well I had my mobile rig to game before tongue.gif
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@jet23sky.....
wah after all people (including me...hehehe) are chasing mobo with USB3.0 slot as a reason of future proof/performance while the USB3.0 device is still knife stabbing expensive...

then will come another reason/factor to have new mobo with PCIEx16 3.0

so the truth is no future proof in PC hardware since manufacturer is making moneyh...hahahahaha demn.....
sumday i'm getting old & have more kids...and i'll retire from this....
putus asa sudah...

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post Sep 3 2010, 11:46 AM

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After reading your post guys, I think we forgot the fact that the current 58xx series (sorry 57xx owners, Nvidia cards conquered the mid-end performance cards sweat.gif ) CAN stand up to 2012 until being labeled "obsolete" technologically and trend-wise per se.
I have the nagging feeling to keep my 5850 until the warranty of 2 years expires, which is right at the end of 2011...so my point is for existing 58xx users, the end of 2011 is most likely the 'D-days' of using the 58xx series and should upgrade from then.
But this plausibly applied to the single card users, if you think of CF'ing your card, you could even hang on even longer until mid 2012 or longer. icon_idea.gif

The rumors about DX12 in 6800 Series is somewhat vague, I don't think there's gonna be DX12 cards until Microsoft decides to implement it in their upcoming OS, which I have no clue...

So if the 6 Series is the 'refreshed' version of the 5 Series, I believe CF'ing a 5 Series right now is justifiable to not get the new 6 Series because a CF'ed 5 Series should be on par with the fastest 6 Series that will come anyways...

Still, 'CF'ing 58xx VS. buy new 6 Series' will still remains an open debate and discussion until a consensus is reached, by which we hope very soon, because the price drop somewhat influencing this matter to be rushed.
User's have to choose between :
(1) to sell their card now and gamble on the price drop (if ever to happen) to get the 6 Series card (which launch date is ever so uncertain) OR
(2) just chill and relax, wait for the price drop (if) and CF their cards.

(3) Not do anything at all and STILL enjoy gaming at 'High' settings at 1920X1080 on games other than Metro 2033. thumbup.gif

I like option no.3 icon_rolleyes.gif
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@joe....+1
my vote 4 option 3....after this have to pencen dulu...
put myself in freeze chamber...
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post Sep 3 2010, 12:05 PM

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I am now sticking on options 3 mentioned by JoBigShow bro with my 4890... D-Day is approaching, I still on 4890 and on high settings on some games on 1920*1200 instead of ultra.

Still can delay longer with brutal OC to 1ghz++ since I water cool it. Will consider a change when 6 series is out... laugh.gif
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of coz most gamers with high-end graphics wanted to play games on max resolution, max details, full AA, and vsync (on i assume) for the best gaming experience.
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as long as my card can push all future game to the max..

option 3 is my choice..
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Sep 3 2010, 08:53 AM)
Hopefully this 6000 series will give me some eyecandy and nice features for me to impress, or else, most probably will just crossfire it. P/S: crossfire 5870 performance is better than single 5970. biggrin.gif
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+1 for the hd5870CF..even HD5870CF on Quad also can beat HD5890 on Quad,got to see on youtube..hehe..
but still expensive than single hd5970..sapphire 5870=rm1270x2 still overprice..

lets say if HD6xxx out maybe drop to rm11xx?..and still more expensive than single HD5970.. sad.gif

so the best move is to buy 2nd HD5870 to do CF or Just buy HD5970.. brows.gif

and conclusion is still more money,more performance.. nod.gif


Added on September 3, 2010, 12:52 pm
QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Sep 3 2010, 10:13 AM)
My previous graphic card is 7600GT. Can you imagine how many era I have jumped since then  whistling.gif
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I'm from Nvidia FX5200 AGP to HD5770.. wub.gif

and my 2010 RiG will target HD5970.... thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by angrysnail: Sep 3 2010, 12:52 PM

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