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SUSTerror
post Dec 29 2005, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(YuuYuu @ Dec 28 2005, 10:41 PM)
hmm...hasn't all these been discussed before? about what stacks, what doesn't and if they do, how they stack
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Attack speed do stack but they don't stack as what we think it is. 2 hperstone won't give you 100% extra speed. Maybe 80%. Reason don't know.

Butterfly don't stack, that for sure but on average you will feel like you having 50% evasion if you have 2 butterfly. Let me tell you why. If both butterfly cast on the same time, only one will take effect. So if you against 1 enemy, 2 butterfly don't help much. Else if you get hit by a few enemy then 2 butterfly do help a lot as they will cast on different timing.

Just like the Dagon. Buy 2 dagon, when cast, only one will take effect. But what if you drop the first dagon, cast the one you carried, then pick up the other dagon and cast again. Can dagon be drop? Try it then let me know

Bash is the same like attack speed. Let me know if you guys have others opinion.
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post Dec 29 2005, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(Terror @ Dec 29 2005, 02:00 PM)
Attack speed do stack but they don't stack as what we think it is. 2 hperstone won't give you 100% extra speed. Maybe 80%. Reason don't know.

Butterfly don't stack, that for sure but on average you will feel like you having 50% evasion if you have 2 butterfly. Let me tell you why. If both butterfly cast on the same time, only one will take effect. So if you against 1 enemy, 2 butterfly don't help much. Else if you get hit by a few enemy then 2 butterfly do help a lot as they will cast on different timing.

Just like the Dagon. Buy 2 dagon, when cast, only one will take effect. But what if you drop the first dagon, cast the one you carried, then pick up the other dagon and cast again. Can dagon be drop? Try it then let me know

Bash is the same like attack speed. Let me know if you guys have others opinion.
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wrong, attack speed stacks directly, 2 hyperstone gives you 110% increase in attack speed (1 hyperstone gives 55% ias)

and yes butterfly's evasion doesn't stack, but you're wrong too, having 2 butterflies makes no difference from having 1 if you're hit by a few enemies

and wrong again, if you have 2 dagon, you drop one, cast one, and you pick it back up, both dagons will have cooldown together

and lastly wrong 4, bash isn't the same as attack speed, it stacks with diminishing return(that's the reason you don't know), so a melee having 2 bashers doesn't have 30% chance, instead it's 1-(0.85x0.85)=27.75=28%
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post Dec 29 2005, 06:37 PM

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wah so many wrong Oo tienhou is rite...for the bfly im not sure but 2 hypers sure stack directly n basher has a less thn said percentg of success
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post Dec 29 2005, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(mangoman @ Dec 29 2005, 12:20 AM)
Now i started to like Silencer just like Chrisky. It really rocks the game! smile.gif
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ya... he's great. Arms with Guisoo u can get 8 (or 9?) sec silent oledi. cool.gif

some more his 3rd skill also can silent.

sometimes really hard to 'buat bising' with him around. laugh.gif
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post Dec 29 2005, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(tienhou18 @ Dec 29 2005, 05:14 PM)
wrong, attack speed stacks directly, 2 hyperstone gives you 110% increase in attack speed (1 hyperstone gives 55% ias)

and yes butterfly's evasion doesn't stack, but you're wrong too, having 2 butterflies makes no difference from having 1 if you're hit by a few enemies

and wrong again, if you have 2 dagon, you drop one, cast one, and you pick it back up, both dagons will have cooldown together

and lastly wrong 4, bash isn't the same as attack speed, it stacks with diminishing return(that's the reason you don't know), so a melee having 2 bashers doesn't have 30% chance, instead it's 1-(0.85x0.85)=27.75=28%
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Tienhou18 has just pwned Terror's head for 100 gold
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post Dec 30 2005, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(YuuYuu @ Dec 29 2005, 11:47 PM)
Tienhou18 has just pwned Terror's head for 100 gold
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Ahhhhh!!!! I been rape. Don't I revive soon.
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post Dec 31 2005, 02:10 AM

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not sure where to post this among all the dota threads taht exist here but this is by far my stupidest experience playing dota at a cc here in ipoh.

so was playing a 5v5 ap where i was using vengeful and my friend same lane with me using techies. he planted some land mines by the side of the river and then bout 15 minutes into the game one of the enemy heroes stepped onto it and died.

then the dude typed "oi play bug ah? i neva c u plant any mines there, how can suddenly got mines?"

i have no idea what crap that dude was looking at but i clearly saw my ally went to the side of the river to plant the mines. we tried to explain that and the dude just went "cb play bug la" and continued cussing before he left the game.

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post Jan 1 2006, 01:12 AM

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last night play in cc, 3 v 3. I used phantom lancer, n fought against sven, damn, he hit me three times all images were gone... I think sven is quite unbeatable if against image conjurers... His cleave clear all of the images.
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QUOTE(tiffazz @ Jan 1 2006, 01:12 AM)
last night play in cc, 3 v 3. I used phantom lancer, n fought against sven, damn, he hit me three times all images were gone... I think sven is quite unbeatable if against image conjurers... His cleave clear all of the images.
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Yea... hero with AOE spell and melee hero with battlefury are in the top kill list of image conjurer like naga and pl. This is how I equipped myself with pl and naga,

1. Always, and always, boost your stat. Getting item that boost your stat so your images can last longer and deal more damage. Forget about burize and those stupid items that dont give benefit to your images.

2. Pump essential area depends on your hero. Pl need attack speed, naga need more hp and mana.

3. Basher time. This is how you counter those who in your top kill list.
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usually if i play naga i'll get diffusal...thn build bashers...nvr tried phantom b4 (dat kimahri looking guy rite) so im clueless on how to play him
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The images of the phantom lancer really piss me off somtimes. With all the f***ing images, it looks like there r a bunch of heroes there. LOL. But i think even gem also cant see the images rite?
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QUOTE(Chrisky @ Dec 29 2005, 08:08 PM)
ya... he's great. Arms with Guisoo u can get 8 (or 9?) sec silent oledi.  cool.gif

some more his 3rd skill also can silent.

sometimes really hard to 'buat bising' with him around.  laugh.gif
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Yeah u r rite. But i guess if silencer get a hyperstone it will kill the enemy fast 2gether with the guinsoo of course. Am i rite?
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QUOTE(mangoman @ Jan 1 2006, 11:18 PM)
The images of the phantom lancer really piss me off somtimes. With all the f***ing images, it looks like there r a bunch of heroes there. LOL. But i think even gem also cant see the images rite?
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Nah... gem is only to see invisible hero. Those images are not invi after all. But, to recognize them is pretty easy. Just sometimes that nobody bother to go to fight a pl with more than 5 images around him anyway.
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post Jan 3 2006, 03:12 PM

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Don't know wether anybody's posted this before, but Skeleton king on 6.27 has a bug. His 3rd level reincarntion doesn't work!!! Or is it i'm just a noob who can't activate it?
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post Jan 3 2006, 03:13 PM

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You sure you have enough mana?
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hm,
do you know your ulti needs mana ?
i seen alot greedy ppl, who spam stun, and willing to die just like that
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post Jan 4 2006, 10:10 AM

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Probably he doesnt have enough mana to revive then, i have used Skeleton King in so many games in 6.27b, the ulti doesnt have bug at all. smile.gif Neway silencer's life is too short, instead buying guinsoo, wht else can boost up his life? Soul booster?
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post Jan 4 2006, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(mangoman @ Jan 4 2006, 11:10 AM)
Probably he doesnt have enough mana to revive then, i have used Skeleton King in so many games in 6.27b, the ulti doesnt have bug at all. smile.gif Neway silencer's life is too short, instead buying guinsoo, wht else can boost up his life? Soul booster?
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Linken's Sphere (dunno how to spell tongue.gif )

or

Eye Skadi perhaps? (does it stack with his second skill? )

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post Jan 4 2006, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(AiRBooM @ Jan 4 2006, 11:42 AM)
Eye Skadi perhaps? (does it stack with his second skill? )
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no it doesn't
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post Jan 5 2006, 09:53 PM

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hOLY f***, i was winning a 1 vs4 using lion just now then i get a fatal error wtf....

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