It is what it is...just don't get it the pissy book readers kept knocking down the tv show. TV/Film is a different medium from reading a book. In regard to which is a better experience is all up for debate. Some aspect of the books reign supreme over the show and some of the actors did way better justice on the show than the books. To me the last 2 books has not been that great and just an opinion of mine. Lady Stoneheart arc just going nowhere and Euron started to felt like an OP villain with every upper hand given to him. Believe the show portrayal of Night King is the combination of Euron and the Night King just like Jorah has elements of Jon Connington in his characterization.
At the end adaptation has to stand on its own and not be slave to the source material. There are far too few successful faithful adaptation simply based on the fact that on paper anything you wrote does not have any impact on the logistic of realizing it with manpower and money. That's 2 different realities altogether.

After watching the finale twice think the majority of the bumpy narrative decisions came down to the last 2 episodes. At it's core its still a pretty good GoT season but still behind season 6 when comes to everything coalescing with the right circumstances and potent characters growth.
The biggest pet peeves of mine is not enough of major character biting the dust. It just missing that soul crushing moment that gets you to go raging WTF.
There are some serious inconsistent handling of the characters. Always had this assumption of Tyrion will always be the smartest person in the room and yet we keep seeing him making dumb plan of one after another. To be fair his last scene with Cersei is why you watch GoT and make me go geekgasm.
Demise of Lord Baelish does give me the immense satisfaction but hated how it was being set-up. Creepy Arya just felt really out of place and Sansa crying victim very whiny. Maybe it wasn't filmed with enough care to convey effectively of the scheme at play by Sansa.
Bran is my least favourite Stark at the moment and disappointed he is that dues ex machina tool when comes to tying loose ends.
Hope next season comes in a year or not another delay.

A very different take on GoT from GRRM original outline -
Incest still a thing.
Arya the lead female protagonist and Tyrion compete with Jon in a love triangle.
Jaime is the big bad.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/game-of-throne...riginal-outline

Game of Thrones Season 7 History & Lore - FULL: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaW8...VTmMWjx5KTqkAgd
Season 7's history and lore is out. They are trickling content to make-up for the delay.

A pretty fun BTS. More revealing than the usual episode recap.

Think next week's episode should be intense as Miguel Sapochnik is directing it. He also did Ep.5 this season. All is left now Melinsandre returning from Volantis and Jon fulfilling Azor Ahai prophecy.

Nah...that ship has sailed two seasons ago.
Should Jamie survives episode 5, perhaps he will carry out Maggy the Frog prophecy. Also Glenganebowl need to happen on episode 6, otherwise no point of cockteasing it for so many seasons.

So you mean this scene has no intrinsic value or any pay-off?
Syiok sendiri or oblivious to GoT has and will always be about servicing Chekhov's gun.
Maybe I'm watching a different show...lol..

Jon Snow - Survives to drive the bittersweet ending narrative.
Daenery - Her odds of surviving pretty low, someone gotta trigger Azor Ahai.
Tyrion - After nerfing his intelligence for a few seasons and hopeful he will turn the tide at pivotal moment.
Jamie - His narrative purpose pretty much done except if he is to act on Maggy the Frog words.
Sansa - Most probably retaining her Lady of Winterfell title. A Stark has to survive.
Arya - Her last hurrah with death pretty sets in stone especially after smashing with Gendry. No one stays happy in GoT.
Bran - His death sets in motion the next three eyes raven or night king.
Jorah - Think he ran out of lives, furthermore all good things ends abruptly in GOT.
Varys - The eunuch has long overstays his narrative purpose.
Gendry - Perhaps dying together with Arya.
Theon - Things never went right for him.
The Hound - Has no reason to be alive after babysitting Arya. Clenganebowl!!
Tormund - Ginger beard is too funny to die.
Brienne - DOA the moment she was knighted.
Bronn - One last fight against his own interest.
Podrick - Someone gotta sing a song about Battle of Winterfell.
Melisandre - Her death pretty much certain from her little talk with Varys.
Missandei - If the showrunners charitable, she lives to go home.
Grey Worm - When you proclaim your future plans, irony just denies it in GoT.
Cersei and Euron comeuppance is the last act of fan service.

Don't click next week's trailer because of huge spoiler...

LOTR Two Towers USD 94m budget in 2002.
Battle of Winterfell USD 30m 2019.
Pretty sure that comparison very lopsided...lol...
Different context and medium altogether.

You didn't factor in inflation and pretty sure manpower salary is not the same 17 years ago. Give or take 20% more on top of the original budget by today's metric. Also Peter Jackson might opt for back-end deals so they didn't inflate the reported budget.

At the end of the day 30m for TV budget is unheard of but that's a standard Hollywood studio's feature production. So all the talks about equating GOT to LOTR is just futile. Which is better is all subjective. Which has a better storyline or technically sound also subjective to personal taste. For the same reason Toyota is Toyota, Audi is Audi.

Sapochnik point is not to repeat the uninterrupted battle sequence seen in LOTR. The emphasis is not to feel exhausted by it. BTS vids also reiterated that sentiment by DB Weiss and Benioff. You have the right to dislike the episode for many reasons and yet you can't discount those who ok or even like it for different reasons.

This post has been edited by 6so: May 2 2019, 11:05 AM

Errrmmm.....uuurrrggh.....but....sigh!

This episode sucks balls!

I do wonder how the show ends will impact the course of GRRM final book. Now he has an idea what works and doesn't.



At this point the north will turn on Daenerys and the most disappointing of it all, D&D shat on seven seasons of character build-up. Characters motivation here very flip-floppy. Guess all the prophecies just a giant waste of time.

Chill with the leak fanfic, how many versions of it already out there.

Just so and so says you have an 18" pee pee doesn't mean the world believe you have an elephant dong...lol...

Just read that the first spin-off went into filming, Jane Goldman is the show runner with GRRM involvement. Naomi Watts is the lead that chronicle 5,000 years before the current event. HBO ordered pilot but not green lit for series pick-up yet. It will be 2 years or so away easily. In addition, HBO also commissioned three other spin-offs by different writers and show runners.

Did enjoy majority of Goldman collaboration with Matthew Vaughn. Hopeful it may be worthwhile.

The thing is GRRM book has over a thousand pages to flesh out all the subtlety and intricacies. On film or tv is a totally different ballgame altogether. I do believe his book will be on similar trajectory path of the show but it's a 4 corner fight. Cersei vs NK vs Euron Greyjoy vs Daenerys. Euron is a totally different type of villain from the tv.


I have no issue with Danny turning but not cool with how it is being portrayed. Jamie and Tyrion is a betrayal of their former character arcs. Arya's plot armour is too ridiculous at this point.

Ultimately they need more episodes for more coherent character development. For all I know GRRM might beta testing his book ending in conjunction with the show.