QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jul 9 2010, 12:08 PM)
I refrained from posting further in this thread because I felt that it was becoming more political and hence might be viewed as something more appropriate for Real World Issues. However, since a moderator has deigned to participate, I suppose it has the LYN Seal of Approval and therefore it is safe. As expected, most of the posters in this forum object to the imposition of inheritance and gift taxes (the two of them go hand in hand, it would silly to impose one without the other for obvious reasons). I will try to address your arguments is a fair and reasonable manner. Generally, as I see it, there are two main lines of argument:
1. The Malaysian government would waste the additional income anyway.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
This is a facile argument that I am tired of encountering again and again. The main problem is that it is a general catch-all that can apply all too readily to oppose anything and everything undertaken by the Malaysian government. Why even pay any income tax at all if this is genuinely your position? Why pay sales taxes? Why not simply insist that the Malaysian government provide all manner of free goods and services to citizens since the powers-that-be have so obviously stashed so much money in their socks? Why not come right out and advocate armed rebellion?
While I am certainly no fan of the government and I acknowledge that our government works very poorly, I, for one, am glad that we do have a government. We may not have the kind of government that we would prefer, but at least, we're not Somalia, or Zimbabwe, or Afghanistan. I appreciate that the government has provided me with essential services that I do make use of. I went to a government-funded primary school and while I wished that the government gave more money to the Chinese independent secondary school that I later went to, I'm pretty sure that they did get some government funding. Similarly, my wife is schizophrenic and regularly collects medicine for her condition for free from a government hospital. I can cite many, many more examples but I think you all get what I mean. All of this costs money and that money has to come from somewhere.
Secondly, this line of argument seems to assume that such policies take place in a vacuum and that everything is a simple either-or proposition. Instead of saying, "I oppose inheritance taxes because I am convinced that the government would only waste the money anyway", wouldn't it be more constructive to say, "I support inheritance taxes but only on the condition that the funds raised be used to lower income tax rates and to prevent the imposition of a general sales tax." You are also perfectly free to state something like, "I support inheritance taxes in principle but I do not trust any BN-led government to administer them and therefore I advocate delaying rolling them out until after the BN is out of power."
This discussion should be about the merits and flaws of inheritance taxes itself, not about the corruptness of the government administering it. Pretending otherwise is simply a cheap way of deflecting my argument without really offering any real counter-argument of your own.
2. Inheritance taxes are injust because my money has already been taxed once when I earn it!First of all, whether you like it or not, double taxation is already a reality. You remember paying sales taxes in restaurants, right? This is going to get worse when the GST comes into being and that's how it works all over the world. Secondly, in Malaysia, it's not necessarily true that your money has already been taxed once, because Malaysia has no capital gains taxes! If you make a fortune by for example trading on the stockmarket, like Datuk Ishak Ismail recently did with Kenmark, you don't need to pay any income taxes on your gains at all and when you leave it all to your spoiled brats, they don't need to pay any inheritance taxes at all. Win-win! This is why Malaysia is a great country for capitalists. In fact, in countries that do have a capital gains tax, this is one major argument in favor of inheritance taxes, Without them, there would be a tax loophole when the capital gains are never realized when the original owner is alive and therefore never taxed.
But most importantly of all, arguing about the principle of double taxation is ultimately a pointless distraction. I can for example satisfy your desire to not have double taxation at all and still raise sufficient money for the state by arbitrarily raising one type of tax to ridiculous levels. For example, I could agree not to have inheritance taxes or sales taxes at all but in exchange I would raise income tax rates to, say, 70%? Would that make you happy? This is why when discussing taxes, you abandon silly talk about whether or not double taxation is right in principle. Instead, you pay attention to overall tax burdens after all of the different types of taxes are taken into account.
Given that we need a government, and given that governments need taxes to function, and given that we must distribute that tax burden across the entire population, most people agree that the best solution would be to impose progressive taxes. This is the principle that the rich should pay more taxes, not just as an absolute figure, but as a proportion of their wealth and income, than the poor. And it turns out that inheritance taxes are generally found to be the single most progressive tax possible.
Anyway, I have more to say about actual implementation details and why it's silly for middle-class people to oppose inheritance taxes, but that's all the energy I have for today.
Please take aside the political issue, whether there is tax or whatever tax, we shouldn't take in political issue, or wastage issue. This is another front, which is more political.
Here, we would like to discuss about finance part of story.
Remember chicken and egg issue on building management maintenance fee.
People claim apartment being not well managed and refuse to pay maintenance fee. Without maintenance fee, how can a building can be well managed.
Tax is a commitment and part of our capitalism world, which is inevitable. Just how well the tax being structure and seems fair across. <-- which is what we want to discuss here. Whether how the tax money is used, it is another front, which should be in RWI.
Inheritance tax won't affect individual that earn the money, so double taxation issue is not there to start with or their problem. So the claim of double taxation is weak actually, no offence.
Large amount of money made by rich actually be come from capital gain, which is tax free. While if their children is inherit those money, they (the rich one) might contribute minimal tax as compared to ordinary middle class people.
The ideal tax system, is the more you earn, the more you pay.
So, in this issue, somehow, not quite right already.
Also, whether I or you suppport or oppose doesn't affect we directly, unless you/we will be inherit large sum of money afterwards.
It is the beneficier issue aka their or our children specifically.
Inheritance tax impose on certain amount the exceed the threshold like x million, sounds good on paper, but it opens up loopholes to be abused for sure.
This post has been edited by cherroy: Jul 10 2010, 11:34 AM