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post Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM, updated 16y ago

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Uhm, currently I'm using an electric boiler to boil water. My housemate says that it is more economical to boil it using gas. I doubt so because it won't make much difference.

So.. anybody here can enlighten me?

additional info: the boiler uses about 2000W and 1 gas tank costs about rm21.

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post Jun 29 2010, 11:47 PM

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post Jun 29 2010, 11:48 PM

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Gas cheaper
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post Jun 29 2010, 11:49 PM

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shud b gas cheaper..but troublesome..
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post Jun 29 2010, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Jun 29 2010, 11:48 PM)
Gas cheaper
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but does it differ a lot?


Added on June 29, 2010, 11:53 pmwoops, I've just calculated. KTHXBAI


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QUOTE(alcatell @ Jun 29 2010, 11:49 PM)
You can Ask some Chinese working in Malaysia company screw the company and corrupt billion of dollar about the GAS thing
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gas cheaper..but duno how to kira smile.gif
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I also fail in calculation. But,

- how long to boil water in kettle on gas stove? 23 minutes on blue flame, not yellow flame.

- how long it takes on electric kettle?

- how many kettles can u boil on a single gas tank? Divide.

- How many kwh used for the same amount of kettles used to boil with electric? Divide.

- Take gas price per kettle, take electric price per kettle.

Aiyaaaaa dunno la.
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post Jun 30 2010, 12:43 AM

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electric kettle.
the heating element is right inside the kettle so the water can be boiled faster.
for gas, the fire need to overcome the heat capacity of the metal before it can heat up the water inside more energy wasted.

even if u guys insists on gas but i got one good question for you.
1. Which one boils faster?
2. Which one is more convenient to get?
3. Which one is safer to use?

Think and you will know =)
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post Jun 30 2010, 12:44 AM

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aiyoh.... why susah-susah wan to calculate for 3 days for which 1 cheaper?.. if even cheaper by .5 cents i would rather get more convenient for that price... use the electric kettle...period... use gas after u fall asleep and burn the house down....
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QUOTE(papamia @ Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM)
Uhm, currently I'm using an electric boiler to boil water. My housemate says that it is more economical to boil it using gas. I doubt so because it won't make much difference.

So.. anybody here can enlighten me?

additional info: the boiler uses about 2000W and 1 gas tank costs about rm21.

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and you dont use 1 tank gas to boil 1 liter water right?
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post Jun 30 2010, 12:46 AM

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if parents pay electric bill you use electric lar
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i buy gas rm23 per tong, u bought rm21 onli.so chip sad.gif
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Jun 30 2010, 12:43 AM)
electric kettle.
the heating element is right inside the kettle so the water can be boiled faster.
for gas, the fire need to overcome the heat capacity of the metal before it can heat up the water inside more energy wasted.

even if u guys insists on gas but i got one good question for you.
1. Which one boils faster?
2. Which one is more convenient to get?
3. Which one is safer to use?

Think and you will know =)
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GAS boils faster. Takes less than 3 min to start boiling and bingo.


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post Jun 30 2010, 12:56 AM

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I've done the calculations.

My water boiler consumes 2000W and can get the job done in 10 minutes, therefore 2000W x (10/60)/1000=0.333kWh

it will be 0.333kWh x 0.218 = RM 0.0726

I use it 3 times per day throughout a month.

That means it is 0.0726 x 3 x 30=rm6.50

I have 5 person staying in this house. Therefore, I don't think it is wise to save on this considering safety issues.

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The difference is negligible to be honest. Yeah you could save some after 5 years, but is it worth the effort? No imo
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 30 2010, 12:53 AM)
GAS boils faster. Takes less than 3 min to start boiling and bingo.
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are you sure?
my mum hate to use the gas.
scared terbakar the whole house and can't boil if got wind blow.
Normally take about 10min ++.
You sure gas is cheap? hmm.gif

Electric is the safest and fastest.
How much can the electric cost? sweat.gif
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post Jun 30 2010, 01:04 AM

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Please dont use the guy who screw the company theory.Very bad indeed sweat.gif

Gas faster -------> later screw billion of money and become corrupt person icon_idea.gif
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Use indoor water filter


Added on June 30, 2010, 1:16 amIndoor water filter

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post Jun 30 2010, 01:17 AM

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Use Indah Water lar...
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electric want is the fastest..
less than 6-7 min only..
and should cost cheaper..

emm.. how calculate ..
2000*/100 *7/60 *0.218

araound RM 0.05086 only per 1.3litre
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post Jun 30 2010, 01:29 AM

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Actually, why u people say gas takes 10 mins?

U all tak pernah masak maggie ka? I cook maggie with gas cooker less than 5 mins....wut, u all pakai gas cooker and turn the flame to the lowest to boil water? zzzzzz...
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HAHA FEW CENTS DIFFERENCE ONI LA NEGLIGIBLE.

ELECTRIC FAR MORE CONVENIENT.

i gota hand it to u chinese. like this oso take n count

lolol

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post Jun 30 2010, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(papamia @ Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM)
Uhm, currently I'm using an electric boiler to boil water. My housemate says that it is more economical to boil it using gas. I doubt so because it won't make much difference.

So.. anybody here can enlighten me?

additional info: the boiler uses about 2000W and 1 gas tank costs about rm21.

Tolong sad.gif
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Airpots use less electricity -- about 600-700W boiling. Also it can keep the water warm so you don't have to reboil it if you want hot water smile.gif

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Jun 30 2010, 12:57 AM)
are you sure?
my mum hate to use the gas.
scared terbakar the whole house and can't boil if got wind blow.
Normally take about 10min ++.
You sure gas is cheap? hmm.gif

Electric is the safest and fastest.
How much can the electric cost?  sweat.gif
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Tell your mom to use a real stove to cook and boil. Dont use sissy stoves that takes forever to boil things.


Electric safest and fastest? Tell me, can you set your electric kettle to the boiling temperature you want? Faster and slower? Can you?
No you can't. My stove can. I can put it to maximum flaming power for few minutes of super nova, or just simmer for 5mins to slowly boil.
And can you handle your kettle and outlets with wet hands? No you can't. You'll get electrocuted!!!! And blow a fuse!!!

Tell her to go back to kitchen and learn the basics, and stop watching TV. She has much to learn on cooking yo. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 30 2010, 04:32 AM)
Tell your mom to use a real stove to cook and boil. Dont use sissy stoves that takes forever to boil things.
Electric safest and fastest? Tell me, can you set your electric kettle to the boiling temperature you want? Faster and slower? Can you?
No you can't. My stove can. I can put it to maximum flaming power for few minutes of super nova, or just simmer for 5mins to slowly boil.

Tell her to go back to kitchen and learn the basics, and stop watching TV. She has much to learn on cooking yo.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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i can put water in my electric kettle and leave it and watch the game n it will turn itself off. can your gas stove do that?
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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jun 30 2010, 01:34 AM)
i can put water in my electric kettle and leave it and watch the game n it will turn itself off. can your gas stove do that?
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Airpots will turn off, and will keep the water hot for as long as you want smile.gif

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Gas is way cheaper.

WAY WAY cheaper.
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post Jun 30 2010, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Jun 30 2010, 01:42 AM)
Gas is way cheaper.

WAY WAY cheaper.
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Is it? calculated already?

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jun 30 2010, 01:34 AM)
i can put water in my electric kettle and leave it and watch the game n it will turn itself off. can your gas stove do that?
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Gas stove cooking is so fast I dont even need to leave it and go away. LOL.

try harder at being awesome
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 30 2010, 04:46 AM)
Gas stove cooking is so fast I dont even need to leave it and go away. LOL.

try harder at being awesome
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u have lots of time on your hands. must the age setting in LOL
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 30 2010, 01:38 AM)
Airpots will turn off, and will keep the water hot for as long as you want smile.gif
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Its constantly consuming electric where you don't need em = wasteful

If you need hot water, why not store it in a thermos?
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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jun 30 2010, 01:49 AM)
u have lots of time on your hands. must the age setting in LOL
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Gas stove cooking is so fast, it boils the water way before you could say "whosyourdeddi"
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 30 2010, 04:51 AM)
Gas stove cooking is so fast, it boils the water way before you could say "whosyourdeddi"
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yup. definitely the age. even your speech is impeded. kesian
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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jun 30 2010, 02:01 AM)
yup. definitely the age. even your speech is impeded. kesian
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I didnt know there's speech in my fingers.

I dont know, maybe you use your mouth to type. blink.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 30 2010, 01:50 AM)
Its constantly consuming electric where you don't need em = wasteful

If you need hot water, why not store it in a thermos?
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'cos a thermos only keeps your water warm for like maybe six hours or so smile.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 30 2010, 05:03 AM)
I didnt know there's speech in my fingers.

I dont know, maybe you use your mouth to type.  blink.gif
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i didnt know u type "whosyourdeddi" with your keyboard while facing the stove. kesian.

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a bunch of stingy ppl...

Poor ppl don't deserve hot water

Rich ppl use both

Rm80
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Get hot water from boiler to cook maggie on stove is faster than cooking on stove alone... onli rich ppl can cook like that...

thkbai
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QUOTE(randyhow @ Jun 30 2010, 02:21 AM)
Rm80


It's only 3 litres.. a 5 litre one is not much more expensive, and more economical to use smile.gif

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 30 2010, 02:06 AM)
'cos a thermos only keeps your water warm for like maybe six hours or so smile.gif
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I dont need hot water continuously round the clock lol.
Using what is not needed = wasteful

QUOTE(b3ta @ Jun 30 2010, 02:07 AM)
i didnt know u type "whosyourdeddi" with your keyboard while facing the stove. kesian.
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I dont have to biggrin.gif

My water boils so fast I dont even know its done!
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QUOTE(papamia @ Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM)
Uhm, currently I'm using an electric boiler to boil water. My housemate says that it is more economical to boil it using gas. I doubt so because it won't make much difference.

So.. anybody here can enlighten me?

additional info: the boiler uses about 2000W and 1 gas tank costs about rm21.

Tolong sad.gif
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Gas cheaper. TBN use gas/water to generate electricity. and household gas got government subsidy. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(b3ta @ Jun 30 2010, 01:34 AM)
i can put water in my electric kettle and leave it and watch the game n it will turn itself off. can your gas stove do that?
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i agreed..
i've burn few things oredy coz of that gas stove..
last time i burn kari kambing+its plastic..
smell like super sheett in the middle of nite..
then my neighboour called bomba nTNB come..
duh..
in the middle of early morning... sweat.gif sweat.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jun 30 2010, 07:10 AM)
i agreed..
i've burn few things oredy coz of that gas stove..
last time i burn kari kambing+its plastic..
smell like super sheett in the middle of nite..
then my neighboour called bomba nTNB come..
duh..
in the middle of early morning... sweat.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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If wan to leave overnight cooking, use la slow cooker.
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QUOTE(papamia @ Jun 30 2010, 12:56 AM)
I've done the calculations.

My water boiler consumes 2000W and can get the job done in 10 minutes, therefore 2000W x (10/60)/1000=0.333kWh

it will be 0.333kWh x 0.218 = RM 0.0726

I use it 3 times per day throughout a month.

That means it is 0.0726 x 3 x 30=rm6.50

I have 5 person staying in this house. Therefore, I don't think it is wise to save on this considering safety issues.
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How many liters of water are you talking about?

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QUOTE(bingozero @ Jun 30 2010, 01:15 AM)
Use indoor water filter


Added on June 30, 2010, 1:16 amIndoor water filter
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jun 30 2010, 01:25 AM)
electric want is the fastest..
less than 6-7 min only..
and should cost cheaper..

emm.. how calculate ..
2000*/100 *7/60 *0.218

araound RM 0.05086 only per 1.3litre
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Funny you should come up with that figure. I have just calculated the cost of Amway UV light used to kill viruses and bacteria and it comes to 5 sen per liter as well, making those UV light thing very cost competitive indeed minus the hassle of boiling. That is excluding the filtration which will add another 5 sen. Making about 10 sen per liter.

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QUOTE(papamia @ Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM)
Uhm, currently I'm using an electric boiler to boil water. My housemate says that it is more economical to boil it using gas. I doubt so because it won't make much difference.

So.. anybody here can enlighten me?

additional info: the boiler uses about 2000W and 1 gas tank costs about rm21.

Tolong sad.gif
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use gas to cook & boil , then safe electricity, usage < Rm20 = gomen sponsored. icon_rolleyes.gif
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i use both. what does that make me?
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 30 2010, 10:25 AM)
If wan to leave overnight cooking, use la slow cooker.
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QUOTE(daruma @ Jun 30 2010, 10:34 AM)
use gas to cook & boil , then safe electricity, usage < Rm20 = gomen sponsored.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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i tried it before...
kenot if u have refrigerator at home..
u can say bye2 oso if use aircond..
its alone take more than RM8-10 per month..
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just drink from the tap water, 1000 years ago people didnt have kettle and stove, but they were just fine...

kthxbai.
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QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Jun 30 2010, 11:12 AM)
just drink from the tap water, 1000 years ago people didnt have kettle and stove, but they were just fine...

kthxbai.
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I boil water with gas and electric. Yes electric is slightly faster but i do not know of the cost of neither. Most homes have these electric water boiler with keep hot function. Those suck electric like mad as u use it 24 hours a day. I boil with electric water pot and then transfer the water to a thermos. The water boiled by gas is cooled for regular consumption. I use my handphone alarm function to keep track when the water boils. It averages 23 minutes depending on weather.
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Use water dispenser better.. cold, hot o warm all included..



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Electric should be cheaper. Gas take longer time.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 30 2010, 11:44 AM)
1000 yrs ago, there were no pesticide and so many carcinogenic things in water. So best use solid charcoal filter.
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QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Jun 30 2010, 12:39 PM)
yes but people were throwing "dump" in the river where they drink their water from lol
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what? u guys still boil water? real man buy boxes of mineral water whistling.gif
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just drink from the tap using a water filter..
no need worry abt virus or bacteria..
ur tummy can kill them all... hehehee
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Guys guys, chill lah... From the calculations, I don't think I need to save on electric boiler. This is because the difference is negligible. And uh, b3ta, shoo~
dax8
post Jun 30 2010, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Jun 30 2010, 11:12 AM)
just drink from the tap water, 1000 years ago people didnt have kettle and stove, but they were just fine...

kthxbai.
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Go and live in a cave then... 10000 years ago people lived in caves, but they were just fine. 1000 years ago people pooped in the dirt but they were just fine smile.gif

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post Jun 30 2010, 05:34 PM

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10 million years ago ppl <insert verb> <insert noun> but they were just fin... ohwait homo sapiens haven't existed yet
freezit4
post Jun 30 2010, 06:33 PM

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Real men boil water under the sun.
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post Jun 30 2010, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(freezit4 @ Jun 30 2010, 06:33 PM)
Real men boil water under the sun.
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wow.. u r veli patient guy... oh wait raining edi
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post Jun 30 2010, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(rebelsoul76 @ Jun 30 2010, 05:08 PM)
what? u guys still boil water? real man buy boxes of mineral water whistling.gif
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He need hot water, Can u tell me which mini market selling hot water.
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post Jun 30 2010, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Jun 30 2010, 12:39 PM)
yes but people were throwing "dump" in the river where they drink their water from lol
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that's why they have a stomach ache and die young of e.coli infection.
omg electric or gas boil water also reach 4 pages.... world cup not even this hot topic.
o wai... this is /k/
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post Jun 30 2010, 09:02 PM

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Gas la.

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