Or, you could download this app called "Flashlight". Apparently it works with the LED flash now.

IMPORTANT NEWS - DIGI ALREADY DROPPED THEIR PACKAGE PRICE ON iPHONE 3GS..PROBABLY THEY WANNA SELL OUT ALL REMAINING IPHONE 3GS & PROCEED TO iPHONE 4 PACKAGE..

those who cant wait for iPhone 4 & plans to get iPhone 3GS instead, now is the time

For More Information - http://www.digi.com.my/iphone/getone_want_iphone.html

I have a different opinion on that, 1st batch and 2nd batch and so on batch may have differences just like for cars. If the first batch of cars have common problems report, manufacturers rectify the problem in the 2nd batch of cars and so on.

Back to the iphone, for example the yellowish screen is caused by the manufacturing or assembly process flaw. Therefore the 2nd batch may undergo a different/improved manufacturing process to reduce that defect occurrence in the product down the line ie 2nd batch and so on.

Also for example apple says that the formula to calculate signal bar strength is wrong which affects the 1st batch of phones. Therefore the software update maybe applied directly to the 2nd batch of phones which reduces customers frustration of updating it themselves.

Waiting the 20th batch which is an exaggerated figure may actually be a good idea as the occurrence of problems is minimized because all manufacturing companies try to reduce to amount of rejected parts/phones to as closely possible to zero.

Cheers

Its cheap... Im tempted.
Since Im already paying RM68 for Smart Plan, RM90 seem acceptable to me. RM890 for 16GB is well worth it... thinking to dump my 5800 to subsidise my phone too.

if u noticed the below part where thy list the price for the iphone.. thy hvnt changed that yet.. so could be a mistake? means price of the iphone remain the same. only the package price?

but super freaking cheap.....!!!!!!!

so does tat mean those who bought the 88 gets to pay 60 now? or willl thy forever pay 88 for the time of the contract thy signed..

need to know so i'd get an idea if maxis would be doing the same.

thanks!

i think your opinion is back to square one. if you do enough research, the yellowish screen is due to the glue not properly dried. this is not due to hardware problem. how they going to improved it? dun use glue? they will still use the glue on the screen maybe this time apple will let it dried properly before they send out to their customer.

calculation on signal bar is due to software problem, in future u might get an iphone which already updated to their new software to rectify this issue. but then this is also a software problem and nothing is done on hardware. still the first batch get the software update as the same as 2nd batch iphone. unless u say they totally changed their antenna hardware, then it can consider 2nd batch is better, that will net be likely going to happen.

so 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th batch basically is all the same. i stated 20th batch it a just a sarcasm.

This post has been edited by beavis68: Jul 7 2010, 09:46 AM

you know... for all the bleating & complaining I keep hearing... my response has always been the same.

1. there is no better phone on the market. NONE!
2. I will personally share with anyone who wants to learn about iPhone3G or 3G[S] or iPhone4 ... everything I know about it.
3. Even if the reports are all true, there is still no better phone on the market right now, and I have no faith that Samsung / RIM / HTC can actually engineer a better phone. They simply don't understand that it *must* be made simple enough that an 8-year old can pick it up and start using it, before the mass-market consumer types will buy it.
4. If the reported issues are really scaring you away from the best phone in the market right now, then get out of the way, we want one!

This guy started a company designing antennas and here's his take on the Apple iPhone 4:

First Impressions: iPhone 4

Seems fine to him. Also, the USA is a rather big place and outside of dense megalopolise like New York, people live rather spaced out from one another. It's nice to have a lot of space, but it also makes it harder for telcos to make sure every nook and cranny has coverage. If I'm not mistaken, Apple iPhone is locked to AT&T users only for now. It would be interesting to see if Verizon customers also get the same problem with a CDMA iPhone 4.

I don't think I am back to square one, is that you are missing the point. Yeah I know it is due to the glue problem that is why I said a manufacturing/assembly problem. They may improve it by using another type of glue, there are so many types of glue and no glue as you said is also possible. Or maybe let it dry longer I agree with you. Hence they are doing this to improve further quality of the 2nd and so on batch of iphones.

I just want to point out to you that there are differences with the 1st batch and 2nd batch it does not necessary be a whole revamp ie. antenna design revamp, it can be minor changes along the line to reduce a defect occurrence hence lesser warranty claims lesser fuss .

So there is a difference between 1st and 2nd batch, for you I guess the improvement is not sufficient.

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Added on July 7, 2010, 11:06 amWow even engadget do not dare to say that "there is a no better phone on the market. NONE!" or "there is still no better phone on the market right now" when comparing the iphone 4 with the HTC Evo.

However I will stick to Engadget review between the phones rather than yours which is more professional.

Quoted from endgadget:

Hoo boy. This is a tough one, isn't it? In our years at Engadget, we've rarely seen such deafening debate and adulation for a pair of devices. In one corner we have the iPhone 4, coming off a few relatively easy rounds atop the smartphone mind share heap. However, the Droid and its ilk have weakened Apple's spot, and here comes the HTC EVO 4G in for the kill, sporting a larger screen, 4G data, and all manner of HTC sexy. If the devices themselves weren't enough, the debate has turned into something larger and metaphorical, with Apple representing tight restrictions and a singular top down vision, while Google's Android stands for something perhaps a bit more haphazard but democratizing. The gloves come off after the break.

Of course, the easy answer is that they're both great phones. The truth of the matter is that what might make the EVO the perfect smartphone for one person doesn't necessarily pop up on another person's radar. In many cases (like this author's, for instance), there are many pros and cons on both platforms and devices that makes the decision difficult, almost painful. We're going to try to lay out the facts, so that you have the best material at your disposal for making the decisions, but we're not going to call the decision "easy" or "cut and dry" for anybody. This is a road we all eventually walk alone... into an Apple or Sprint store.

Wrap Up:

You know the facts, you've heard the arguments, you've passively observed the roar of comments from each side... now follow your heart! ( I don't read a "no better phone on the market.NONE!")

This post has been edited by ck_yoong: Jul 7 2010, 11:08 AM

If following your logic, then there's always possibility that they'll introduce new, unexpected flaws into the manufacturing process. New, fast reacting, drying glue, that may not meld the screen properly compared to the slower drying glue that gave out the yellow tint. Hydrophobic antennas that is not susceptible to signal reception degradation, that is susceptible to other tactile interferences. Apple streamlining the manufacturing process by introducing cheaper component/material on later batches to save cost and maximise profit. Yes, that has happens lots of time for electronics because these components are supplied by third party. The Retina Display screen itself is sourced by two companies, LG and Samsung to cover for the unexpected demand surge. Who is to say which screen yields better result?

There is and always will be manufacturing flaws, no matter if you purchase it on launch, or if you wait for the 20th batch. So if that is the case, then why wait? And also if that is the case, then why bother with warranties at all if you're prone to getting select bad units from good batches?

Bottom line is, it happens to everyone. Either you're lucky or you're not. The logic of waiting for next batch and you think you'll be safe from previous batch flaws is a placebo at best. I've had product bought at launch that outperform and outlasts the same product but built 3 years later! Case in point? My Xbox 360 purchased at launch from November 22nd, 2005. 5 years later, and yet, it has not overheated like the rest of the units purchased by folks last year and has kicked the bucket. Am I just lucky or has the manufacturer put extra emphasis on the device QC so that it does not get a bad rep later during the launch to entice further purchase from those sitting over the fence like you? Probably, and fence-sitters like you, after looking over at the design issues being trivial and nonexistant, decides to take the plunge after several batches. That still does make you invulnerable to defects, in fact your possibility of getting a lemon is greater since production numbers have been ramped up and QC goes down exponentially as numbers increases, unless they ramp up the number of QC personnels and tighten up the QC monitoring process, which in both incur additional cost, which most companies would like not to spend on, because it eats into the profit they're already generating on their current processes.

In short, getting it first or getting it last does not guarantee you a defect-free product. The whole line of "wait and see" angle of things is just you yourself wanting to assure yourself that you stand a better chance getting a defect-free product than getting it at launch. Does not apply every time, from the history of things. Take it from me who had been buying electronics and gadgets for more than 12 years. And most of my stuff are from first launches. Go figure.

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Added on July 7, 2010, 11:23 amAs for sticking to Engadget compared to xaw's take on things, you're drawing your line of bias there already.

You're taking it as a tech enthusiast's point of view. Remember, we're all geeks and nerds, we're acclimatised to all these tech specs nerderies and comfortable with tinkering and setting up our gadgets to our likings. However, there's a whole wide world out there, filled with people who aren't like us, who are more inclined to choose a phone based on how easy to use it, WITHOUT losing out on the features that was once enjoyed by tech geeks with their extensive tinkerings. Enter the iPhone.


This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jul 7 2010, 11:23 AM

I think you lost me too. I wrote that reduce defect occurrence not defect free in the 2nd batch and so on. I agree with you it is also based on luck sometimes. However with reduced defect occurrence due to improvements I think there is much better luck in getting a defect free phone in the second batch. So 1st batch phone and 2nd batch phones is not the same as beavis said.

But I think you need to back up the fact that you said that once production number goes up and QC goes down exponentially as number increases in my view is not true.

Conclusion is there is a difference in the 1st and 2nd batch however the 2nd batch does not mean 100% defect free but a improved chance of getting a perfect phone. For those who get their phone early enjoy your phone (soon I will join XD) and people who is wait and see aka cautious buyer (2.5k is pretty big sum) go ahead nothing wrong.

Plus that is why we have warranty people

P/S: I was not aware that fanboy post are also welcomed here lets poison the world

string pls la, every year we go thru the same thing

its not like if we convince one fella we will get any thing, so normally ppl bombard me with all sorts, i will just say yes, its a crap phone, pls dun buy it, i buy it becos im a gay, n gay use apple products

sheesshhh, and all those reviews in the internet... i would rather trust a fren's review

oh ya, and yes im getting an icrap 4 as well

I still say it's just a Placebo effect. People just want to reassure themselves that they are somewhat confident to get a defect-free product on later batches. Tell that to a couple of folks here who are on their third iPhone units who are both early adopters and latecomers.

Point is, there are no quantifiable statistics that confirms that buying a product later in its lifecycle assures itself of defects. On the contrary, those who waited, would have the "buyer's remorse" syndrome creeping it, as their units are now somewhere later in the product cycle that a new product revision is looming in the horizon. The early adopters gets their full year usage to get that "bang for the buck" feel for using it for that long and won't feel much of a regretful tinge to upgrade for the next cycle, compared to those who had just bought their iPhones less than 6 months and found out that their "less than 6 months" iPhones are about to become obsolete (relatively).

With every product, early adopters took their chances. It is how you play your hands with Fate that determines if you're willing to continue being an early adopter, or learnt your lessons and "stay on the fence" longer.I am thankful that all my early adopter launch units are working fine as it is, so I could not say I've felt cheated or remorsed by defective first launch units. Others may have more harrowing stories to share here than me, I consider myself very lucky.

Disclaimer: That "less than 6 months" period is my own intepretations of how one would feel a tinge of regret when news of product refresh is coming their way, based on my own personal opinion. Others may feel not compelled at all to upgrade, or feel it is perfectly fine to upgrade even if they just own the currently-about-to-be-upgraded product for that short a period of time.

EDIT: To the post above this post, if you've nothing worthwhile to say, don't post anything, or worse, trollbaiting. Kopitiam-style posting stays in that filthy place only please. Post reported.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jul 7 2010, 12:19 PM

did i say that?

i just tired of this....... what will make u think 2nd batch is better from 1st batch? SoS? Proved? dun just use baseless text and misled other.

take an example of maxis 3GS......... maxis stock should be in later than 2nd batch, and yet y alot of problem still persist?sunken home button, can't turn on, and many more.
this is totally base on luck.

your assumption of batches is baseless........ show us proved that stated that the coming batches is improved and better than 1st batch.

i'm here not to argue, just i dun want to misled other ppl.

This post has been edited by beavis68: Jul 7 2010, 12:22 PM

Guys, we all know better than to respond to trollbaits. Report them, let the mods clean them up, and they'll be on their way out. Let's keep it professional and classy here please.

oh ya string, just wanna check with u

the bumper thing, is it rubber material?

It's plastic, some part soft, the shiny part harder. The power and the volume buttons are made of metal on the bumper, and it feels nice. I've completed my current scheme of protection, using Simplism front/back screen protectors and the Bumper to cover the sides.

same here lah....
people can talk crap about it... at the end of the day... i'll be still having my iphone....
and then people want to test the phones and stuff.... and woooaaahhh... uhhh.... but they're the ones who condemn so much about the phones

Agreed and a pleasant discussion

If you tired take a break and keep your cool. I am just here to have a constructive discussion not argument

It is pretty common sense that if there is a known common problem with a product, will the company continue producing the same product with the same problem occurring without trying to fix the problem?

I am sure a big company has it own management theory if not it would have gone bust long time ago. You want prove google "six sigma" read wiki. There are many similir theories however I don't know which is used in Apple.

I would like to address the same question back to you show us prove that 2nd batch of iphone 3gs a lot of problem still persist.

This post has been edited by ck_yoong: Jul 7 2010, 12:46 PM

Which flashlight app? I'm looking at 6 apps on AppStore now, some paid, some free.

EDIT: Found it. It's called LED Switch. 99 cents though.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jul 7 2010, 12:41 PM