more and more bad news about iphone4

1) breakable glass
2) reception issue
3) yellow tint residue in touch screen
4) reception issue
5) voice transmission issue
6) upside down volume side button

apple QC really bad. i think foxxcon is one of the reason.
1) work like slave, pay cheap & restless result poor quality product.

1. i dont know if there is a phone with unbreakable glass
2. a design flaw or purposely done to sell bumper
3. will auto-fix after some period of usage
4. refer to no.2
5. related to no.2?
6. upside down?

Yet we see huge lines all over the stores, people queuing up to buy. Market analyst had estimated that Apple will end this week with sales of 2 million units !!! However we can all take comfort that by the time Msia gets its units , all quality issues would have been resolved

i beg to differ regarding apple QC..
if u had used apple product before im not saying only iphones..
im referring to ipods, imac, macbook.. their QC is definitely far from bad
my good old 1st gen nano & shuffle is still working w/o any problem..

u'll definitely get problems if ur selling 1.5 millions units in the first 2 days

I think many people misunderstood the engineered glass. It is engineered to be stronger when it is subjected to certain stress such as bending (Iphone 4 introduction video time 5.22) where it can perform well. And no such glass can be bent that much without breaking.

And on the hype up video Iphone 4 drop test, the Iphone was drop from a certain distance. As the Iphone 4 hits the floor it is subject to an impact force. Such a force usually has a greater effect than a lower force applied over a proportionally longer time period of time like bending in the video. Therefore the glass breaks but it is already pretty durable to withstand 2 drops.

1) Which phone if drop from a certain distance wont break? Now dont say 3310, to be fair let me know if any 3.5inch screen phone can face this abuse or not.
2) Again this is subjected to a few people and could also be an At&T issues also.
3) Its a bonding agent that has yet to dry, after a few days it should resolve itself.
4) Why are you repeating your question?
5) Isnt this the same with 2 and 4?
6) Well at the rate of production, often millions in a month, its just human error, blame the chinese workers for their lack of concentration, this could also be due to family problems or any other issue.

Apple QC really bad? cmon been using apple products for many years already, you should see my ipods they still run well with all that abuse, QC really bad is synonymous to Acer not Apple. Again SONY, HP, ACER and (insert any other computer manufacturers) use Foxconn's facility so who's fault is it to remunerate the workers? Apple alone? Even Nike and Adidas treat the chinese workers the same way and insert (any other company in the world) who keep the cost down for us consumers by keeping all their manufacturing process in china, you want it to be American? it wont be cheap no doubt. AT least Apple is soliciting 1 to 2% of its profits of the iPad to remunerate the workers.

Yeah most of the issues would be resolved especially the yellow discoloration on display. However, I doubt the external antenna thing would be resolved so quickly. Everytime you change it, you will have to resubmit FCC tests and I don't think they have that much time. Probably some tweaking...

By the way, quality issues and design issues including process issues are entire different things. If done wrong, the consumers get it too and equally damaging to the company. Apple does have one two cases of virus laden iPods hehehehe... No company can be perfect especially when you are speeding your products into the market. Don't tell me apple is a God chosen company or it is special. Hehehehe

This is similar to Ford and Firestone case study. The tyre causes accident so who should we blame? Ford blame the tyre company but the consumer blamed Ford. We don't care who manufactures the Apple products either.

This post has been edited by davidmak: Jun 27 2010, 01:45 PM

i didnt imply that david, i was also reiterating that point in one of these points:

Well at the rate of production, often millions in a month, its just human error, blame the chinese workers for their lack of concentration, this could also be due to family problems or any other issue.


Surely apple isnt perfect but to come out with a blanket statement to call their QC bad outright isnt justified, again as consumers, you still could exercise your right in seeking compensation in terms of warranty claims when it comes to defective parts and all, rushing production with huge amounts of demands would incur flaws, but again we are talking about Apple, even the smallest slip up the media would harp on it, so there is that and for a phone which has yet to release in Malaysia we could only go by experience of those in other countries, and not to get first revision of everything still applies even if its a beemer , you better wait for latter batches, which we malaysians would, so the waiting time isnt all abd i guess.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 27 2010, 02:08 PM

the button issue is not an issue at all... i hardly see the sides of the phone to increase / decrease sound... juz adapt it then should be normal... mayb gotta start adaptin the " + " as more quiet and " - " as less quiet... letz not get stuck ourselves in da box of R&R

If Apple fixes the call reception issue and other issues soon, this will create a huge demand for the white models because they are only available at a later date. People will see the white models as the ones that have all the problems fixed.

I don't know about you but I would exchange for a new set if they mixed up the volume buttons. Feel's weird if you leave it as it is. I don't want such "special" iPhones.

As of time of writting this, NO ONE is able to proof that the bonding residue will dissolve itself after a couple of days, except a statement from apple. We shall see before making any conclusion. Until then it remains as an issue.

I'm agree that apple QC is good for other products (well i dont own any), but I do own iPhone 3G and 3GS. Personal experiences tell me that their iPhone QC is bad from generation to generation.

This is a lame excuse to the known human errors during production.

you sure about that? so what about these people here? http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=948561 they are reporting that the issue is residing or have disappeared.

my bad for missed that out. well still waiting more users to rectify it.

and also whether or not it is really the bonding agent residue or could be defective lcds, as it seems some users are saying that their phones might get exchanged by apple.

True just thought I help my Malaysian folks see the "light".

Anyways jus to enquire with the ios4 am replying this thread on the ip3gs in quick reply. As i type about 4-5 lines thn press return. To skip a para. The btm add reply gets mixed up on screen in landscape mode. Anyone wanna confirm this? Thanks

To anyone who's currently using the iPhone 4,

How's the glass holding up? Any scratches yet? I'm debating on whether to fit mine into a case or to just leave it in the nude.

Also, is the stainless steel band prone to scratches? I would think so because the bumper only covers the stainless steel band.

Hey nimrod, our discussion seem to have gave a large spark for others hehehe... no worries. We should approach the subject positively.

While I agree with you that it could be human error because I work in a manufacturing industry and this is nothing new. However, I can provide reasonable insight that the display discoloration is due to a very tricky process. I'm sure everyone has read about Engadget's article by now. It is due to industrial adhesives applied between the display substrate to the glass components. These adhesives are 'colored' and when properly cured would give the indication to workers that it is ready to move on to the next step. However, it is not always smooth going as there are bound to be times where it need more curing time or too much adhesive has been applied.

You will see this problem affecting larger IPS displays. I'm not even sure if the iMac 27" has this problem because the entire display area is 'yellow'. Maybe but I'm not sure. Anyway, we don't see this problem on LCD IPS TVs though or maybe they use a different adhesive or a different manufacturing process is used.

While I have no intention to pick on Apple as a whole but the most influential marketing companies would be expert in 'keeping issues stay within their grounds'. This control allows a company all the 'right' information to be fed to consumers. I'm not surprised if Apple has manufacturing issues because it is common. It is just the way how they handle issues that make consumers pleased.

By the way just to share with everyone, the most influential and experienced marketing company is Nike. Cheers.

yes...went to maxis centre today...was told that sitll the same OS ...got to upgrade it at the same time...
just ask the technician on duty to upgrade...

(but he told me is better to get 3gs...he showed me the iphone 4 spec...and make comparison...)

haha true that, regarding the imac 27, its true that the whole lcd turns yellowish and at times have condensation issues, but the newer batches seem to not have this issues or maybe related to the first run batch of models. Yep agree with your gate-keeping statement regarding the right info being fed to consumers, this is external PR playing its part to mitigate damage. cheers bro