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Hiruka
post Jul 20 2010, 04:35 PM

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Heyya Guys..

So long edi wont dop by here..Now reach 10k mileages edi sweat.gif
Summore V5 now..haha shocking.gif

Would like to have some1 near Sg.Buloh (Selangor / KL) can assist me on making some tuning for my bike. Currently just periodically changing EO after 2k+ mileage..Not really confident for let the shop tuning up..All looks noob when goes to recommendation/tips sweat.gif

An additional, my bike has been abused 2 times edi. Lucky not gone yet doh.gif
Both require me to change the switch/starter. Demet!! and now the fork seems a lil "Senget" edi..Started loosing mood on this bike..Fiding something that boost my passion again sad.gif
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post Jul 20 2010, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 20 2010, 06:38 PM)
alo Hiruka,
what happened to the bike? What you wanna fix first?
2 times nearly been stolen..how sad sad.gif

Thinking to upgrade the performance and balancing 1st..im not jumping into hard moded. Enough with unlocking the crap cutoff and have a pleasure riding experience wub.gif Some1 told me need to change Pipe + Carb + Cam + CDI. Looks like lotsa cash gonna burn by changing this 4 hmm.gif Not really sure wether this is the most valuable/less possible investment for getting enough fun with this bike.

If got experience/taiko that can personally advice me in details bout the modding face to face, Much easier for me to hook up the step to begin with..Huhu..
Im a Noob for sure..Not really know if u're talk to me bout the RPM level, Equal bla bla bla watsoever..Any recommendation is much appreciated hehe tongue.gif
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post Jul 21 2010, 11:43 AM

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So guys, the best tuning can get for gaining decent performance without modifying the engine? hmm.gif

Since i know it's hard for some1 to give a free lecture/spend some time treat a nooby, I'll try list out things that i know in my mind:

- Changing stock Spocket? (Opinion/Recommendation)
- Changing stock Spark Plug? (Opinion/Recommendation)
- Changing stock Pipe / Ekzos? (Opinion/Recommendation)
- Changing stock CDI? (Opinion/Recommendation)
- Changing/Applied some Lubricants? (Opinion/Recommendation)
- Changing front-back Tyres? (Opinion/Recommendation)

I hope some1 would giving his kind opinion/recommendation to me by following the listed criteria above (Additional info always recommended). Ur help is much appreciated. This might be useful for updating the front pages infos / quick reference by some1. Again, im still a noob..Thx nod.gif
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post Jul 21 2010, 12:13 PM

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Thx 8zelk8, anymore details recommendation (appreciate if come with rough prices) biggrin.gif
Quite some time i heard "Bee Hock" around here. Is there any shop around Selangor/KL? Not only Penang right? hmm.gif
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post Jul 21 2010, 12:38 PM

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I heard custom pipe from Charge a lil Noisy (Sorry Charge but i quite interested for new looking Pipe if changed). Will PM him for more details/recommendation.. hmm.gif

Is there any retail pipe recommended instead of Standard Mod that giving good perfomance while not sacrifying the Noise lvl? Some time got LC pass beside me that sound Broom Broom..quite nice and not too loud :swaet:

Change Clutch Spring & Plate? for standard LC also got ya? Will note that and ask the foreman to check it.. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 21 2010, 04:57 PM

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Bout the CDI, BRT Dualband / Rextor recommended? Give the model/series that performs good. Any tips is much appreciated.

Is there any problem if change this 1st? hmm.gif
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post Jul 21 2010, 08:34 PM

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Ouh...Rextor much suit for Engine Modder ya? Hmmm..
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post Jul 22 2010, 10:32 AM

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Guys can i wash the chain with brush and applied some soap on it? Sure the oil/lubricant will washed out right? Then just put Chain lube/spray? Any recommended brand/type? Gonna find one..

Apply EO such a messy for a whole rear tyre..1st ride gonna splash all the dirt like hell..i think will ask the foreman not to applied any EO when they service my bike doh.gif sweat.gif
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post Jul 22 2010, 11:04 AM

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I know the logic, but the messy really annoying and those oil will still stand for a long time until the tyre spinning to splashed it out..huhu doh.gif

So bout my main query, is that OK if i wash the whole chain with Soap and brush? I need recommended Chain Lube as well that easy to get around..maybe i can reduce my rear oil dirt messy with this sweat.gif
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post Jul 22 2010, 04:37 PM

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Thx for the inputs guys..so after this i find the Chain Lube and bath my chain with Softlan haha whistling.gif

Wooo wat was that Aaron? Is that Filling inside the Tyre? Tonic for Tyre? haha hmm.gif cant imagine 1Liter full of use at tyre sweat.gif
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post Jul 27 2010, 01:10 PM

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Haizz..last friday survey most of the shop around my place (4-5 Shops)
Asking for some Tuning can be done on LC. But most of them refuse to setting it and simply said, "Apa u mau setting, LC suda ok maaa. U setting carb, buang itu ini pon tak guna maa, die suda cut-off itu api (CDI) maa.." and start recommending changing parts "U kena tukar racing CDI (most of the recommendations), Ekzos, Block.." Generally im asking bout "How to gain a decent perfomance by not doing hard mod like changing block, carb, Engine etc.." sweat.gif Here's the summarize question that i gave to them:

1. Remove air Filter (Can be done but 1 pomen said, he dun like totally remove the filter but doing resetting/cutting is enuff. He said normally if remove, gear 2/3 not so syok edi (lazy / slow² accelerate), Melayu said "Sebu-Sebu je" biggrin.gif)

2. Carb P.Jet and M.Jet setting (Most of the shop didnt know and give an answered like i bold in above :shy:)

3. Changing Spark Plug (Asking bout NGK Iridium..im not sure wether got write "Iridium" on the box onot but 1 pomen said NGK-R maybe laa we have..R mean Ridium Ridium he said..haha most of the shop dunno doh.gif)

4. Engine Oil (Have seen 1 or 2 Shop got Motul 3100/5100. So will try it later but they dunno other brand like Royal Purple & Selenia Lynx whistling.gif)

5. CDI (1 shop just said change to Racing 1 but dunno wat brand he got..sure not really expert in modifying thingy sweat.gif 1 shop show me BRT Dual Band = RM250, but i dunno its Ori or not) Mostly they're putting this as 1st replacement can be done to gain perfomance "u kena tukar ini brg, baru itu cut-off takde".. Looks like only more marketing purpose sweat.gif

Tired of asking and persuade, go back to my purchased shop. Their parts really expensive! checking and resetting always need RM3 fee..Haizz sweat.gif Finally got 1 malay pomen that willing to help personally coz he said normally "Kedai tak boleh buat..biasela tgk setting itu ini nanti pelik and so many question will come to him"..He said if got time bring my bike to his house and we'll discuss in more details. His recommendation, change the stock block for quicker gaining perfomance. For nice shifting, change to racing spring etc..And he said he can change and get nice tuning for custom Block and Exhaust around RM550 if i really interested..what u guys think bout all this? hmm.gif

Sorry for this write out but as u guys can see, i really need help coz i love this bike and want to learn more..Hate those "tak tau / tak boleh instead of buying and changing only in my Shop area..demet! sweat.gif
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post Jul 27 2010, 03:38 PM

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Higher RPM will feel Syok when shifting gear right? When pulas minyak, can feel the pickup..huhu biggrin.gif
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post Jul 27 2010, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jul 27 2010, 01:19 PM)
haha, slowly find a pomen tat can do the stuff i recommended u in PM. If they said cannot, I am sure they have no skill and no knowledge on 4-stroke engine.

If you dont believe, buy a book called "4-stroke performance tuning" by Abraham, I am just summarizing and share those knowledge with you.

Airflow is the most important, followed by fuel supply. CDI can change later.
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That's the problem..and the reason why im still asking for help here..Nowadays hard to find good ppl/pomen that soft spoken and try to give a reasonable input for learner/customer. Love to read but Sorry i've like no more time reading..usually went home already tired and sleepy.. sweat.gif Discussion, Practical and have a looks over it much better for me biggrin.gif


QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jul 27 2010, 01:22 PM)
yes, u r right aaron. Stock CDI ignition timing is meant for restricted air intake and exhaust system. It is cater for standard setting (including the PJ and MJ setting on the std carb). Changing to after market CDi helps very little only.

But once we increase the airflow into and out of engine, the whole engine characteristic will change, and we need a more aggressive spark timing to keep it up. That's how aftermarket CDI helps. And remember to buy adjustable CDI, fixed one are useless, bcoz every new airflow and carb setting will need to retune the ignition timing for maximum power gain.


Added on July 27, 2010, 1:24 pm
yea, that's the 'bible' for engine modification enthusiast. If any pomen dunno these, his knowledge is very limited -- he doesnt even know the basic theory tongue.gif

hehe, for racing block, we really really need to be sensitive to a slight change in engine condition before the problem is worsen. Maintenance fee is $$$, and highly recommended to use good fully synthetic oil.
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So BRT DualBand is not adjustable? Looks like changing to a custom block really high Risk eh? U using 1 too right? hmm.gif If u have time going back Home in PJ, Have a look on my bike lorr and bring me some good place to tame it..We can go YamCha² after that tongue.gif

QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jul 27 2010, 01:48 PM)
Changing exhaust will increase the overall airflow in the engine itself, thats why need to reset carb if necessary. Oh well, if we want more power, we must play air-fuel setting. Where to set the air-fuel??? Carburetor. Changing exhaust without taking out the air filter is like...  you kentut a lot but never breath --> sometimes power feels awkward.

My recommendation is remove air filter (guaranteed minimal harm to engine), change exhaust pipe with white fibre and reset the carburetor. Only when you have good amount of air-fuel mixture present in the engine, then only 1), 2) and 3) has the highest efficiency..

imagine... if you cooking tat time, js open very very little gas. How big the spark u put also the fire small only... That's why many who do only electrical modification gain minimal power... on top of that, electrical device cost a lot. Not worth at all.
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If want Kentut a lot but no breath, where got powerful Kentut maa hehe tongue.gif
I'll consider to grab ur Custom pipe Charge but is that ok to change the stock Block along? Stuck without dunno who to refer for easy talking and know to done those adjustment..

QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jul 27 2010, 02:05 PM)
haiya, how kotor also dust only. If the EO is good, those kotor dust will be trapped in the oil la. engine sure wont kena one, the piston and block is tough. u rub the sand against metal, which one u think will die 1st? lol

for me, I do regular carb and engine servicing, so air filter-less is nothing. everytime engine take out also looks 10x cleaner than those who got air filter but never service before biggrin.gif
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Normally Carb and Engine Servicing will cost u how much dude? Any time frame to do that? Give a tips plz hehe.. Nearly hit 11k Mileage soon, shud i do that? hmm.gif
I believe the durability of block u're mentioning here is for stock right? changing custom block still playing in my mind following pipe, plug and CDI if necessary (Carb? dunno lol tongue.gif). Wanna feel Smooth and Steady when Cruising sometime on those Highway like Duta, Penchala Link and Federal..Normally riding around 10KM ~ 20KM in weekdays huhu biggrin.gif
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post Jul 27 2010, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jul 27 2010, 04:37 PM)
@Hiruka
Yes, I'll let you know when I balik PJ. I am usually driving, and my bike will be in Penang. If you are free, come join us at Penang TT la biggrin.gif

btw, judging from the road you are taking, I have a different modification advice for you

1) 60mm block piston set
2) custom pipe + enlarge manifold.
3) 15-36 Sprocket set 415SSS
4) 28mm Keihin carburetor (PJ size 40, MJ size 120)
5) BRT dual band (it is adjustable, set it to 29 or 30 degree BTDC)
6) remove air filter

*** 7) port and polish if possible (need a pro pomen, if cant find, better stick to original)
are you wondering why I can give you quite precise setting? because this was my old setting on my 60mm engine with standard cam and original porting size. biggrin.gif

The custom pipe + enlarge manifold I can ask BH to do for you.


Added on July 27, 2010, 4:38 pm
haha, means he can even use 15-39 standard sprocket to match the new engine power.
haiyoooo, i gotta be patient. luckily still got kelisa to play. I ady got new settings, and cut the cup to a funnel ady, wahhahaha. It is a lot better than last saturday tongue.gif
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Haha! Kudos for u! This is what i really need..Some precise and details setting from our precious experience rclxms.gif After so hard making some flowery words and explanation, now the answer come out.. notworthy.gif So from 1-7 i still need the right person to handle or guide me. Is there any1 u know can do that for me bro..?? hmm.gif Like this ima much more interested to have 1 special customade for the Pipe bro!..Keep the weight, silencing and sweet sound for sure rclxms.gif Wuhuuu im glad & much more interested to let some1 like u tuning my bike rather than crappy pomen that talk loud cocky.."Aiya itu Aiya ini..the last ask to change part..lai lai beli..i can feel in a slow tune/whispering inside his head, "U pasang itu mcamla kawan, U tamau sudaa pergi balik.. doh.gif

From ur experiences, how much the basic shud i prepare for the cost dude? hmm.gif
I shud prepare my Horse 1st be4 TT in Penang with u guys, so shame riding it among u guys..BTW never go Penang be4 lol haha..Also noob in road direction haha..

p/s: Charge, dun forget letting me know when u drive back to KL/Selangor huhu..i'll be waiting in my inbox even in my dream haha! tongue.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jul 27 2010, 10:24 PM)
you are welcome bro. I js wana let u know the theory behind the modifications. I know how to talk experience only, but my hands on is very sux. pomen take 1 hour to finish, maybe i need 1 full day, hahaha.

If you can find another bike to use for 3 weeks time, perhaps u can post your LC to Penang, I can handle the whole modification for you, and we have so many Penang members here to test ride for you. It definitely costs more than RM1500, but imagine this, your bike will be modified personally by an ex Suzuki cubprix team manager who won a few champion before. brows.gif

Then... you take bus to Penang, pay the shop and go for TT session with all of us here. After that, enjoy your ride back to KL biggrin.gif
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LoL..i dun want to walk go office for 3 weeks, 2 days sure Kasut koyak edi..haha
appreciate ur kindness for helping me but im prefer doing it here..whyla all Penangkia haizz sweat.gif

Looks like Chongkiat got so much nice parts..he is T'ganu is it? demn! doh.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 12:17 AM

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Can buy using postage but dunno also who gonna setting it for me..didnt have faith with pomen around here.. doh.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 12:04 PM

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R u bringing Ori Thai CDI? hmm.gif Itchy to know the costing also tongue.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 12:28 PM

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Most shop have Aeon Credit i think..They provide 0 installment plan biggrin.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 12:44 PM

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Like i did for my bike, take personal loan and deposit 3k..Monthly 190 for 2 years.. biggrin.gif

For easy installment of coz suffer for higher interest nod.gif
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post Jul 29 2010, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ Jul 28 2010, 10:20 PM)
it's not too lean or too rich on oversized carburetor. It's about airflow speed.
In a super big carburetor, there are a lot of air molecules. molecules have weight, if the engine does not create enough vacuum to suck the amount of air molecules along with the fuel, the engine will under power.

32mm carb + 135cc - power is even worse than original carb!!!
32mm carb + 150cc - die also !
32mm carb + 166cc - come and race with my 28mm + 166cc and see can win or not?  brows.gif


In order to have bigger vacuum, we need bigger cylinder head port size, valve size, bigger engine block and piston (as in increased CC), and also a powerful exhaust system that can pull more airflow out of engine.
28mm is suitable for 176 - 200cc
26mm is suitable for 151 - 175cc
24mm is suitable for 125 - 150cc

2 stroke may have different rule of thumb. I am talking about 4-stroke NORMAL street riding. Racing 4-stroke can jump 1 size bigger, as the engine is always high revving. (where got ppl racing with low rpm one tongue.gif)
My bike is using 28mm carb with 166cc. The low rpm torque lacks a bit. So my current project along with the engine strengthening is to customize the air intake. Maybe I'll buy another indian cup and make one more funnel + a longer ramp pipe before it goes into the carburetor intake.  brows.gif
FZ exhaust cannot fit, as the pipe manifold is longer. We can take the tail pipe of FZ (as it the catalyser part) and pair it with a custom manifold of LC. But... are you going to spend RM4xx to buy an ori FZ pipe, cut the tail, and then spend another RM80 to custom made a manifold?
So charge bout ur recommendation to me be4, 28mm Keihin much suitable instead of 24mm Carb for the 60mm block piston set? All racing parts? Standard Carb 22mm right and standard size for Block? hmm.gif

Bout the custom pipe + enlarge manifold, roughly how much it'll be? Is it as standard stock pipe durability? Easy to rust? hmm.gif
1 more, What is Port and Polish ya? Is that related to the engine or? Mind giving more details explanation..

Thx notworthy.gif

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