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Hobbies Tamiya mini 4wd v9, Blah , lazy to write one

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chienoz
post Nov 12 2010, 02:06 PM

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Hi...Im NewBies in This Forum...hope we can share any info in this forum...btw i cant go race comp this sunday...got things to do but i will come by to give support...anyway thanks to david, jai n apai others who teach me a lot about tamiya few months back at TU..

need to learn more, test more n mod more.. drool.gif
hehe

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chienoz
post Nov 13 2010, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(szngszng @ Nov 12 2010, 08:07 PM)
simple way to brake in motor, since racer query me via pm, i hope this help.

-brake in actually is to reshape the brushes of the motor.

-new brush normally flat and not shape, they has less contact surface compare to motor which has been brake in...this is due to the commutator was shaped in round.

-as we know, less contact point in between brushes and commutator, the brush will provide less electricity to the rotor, in this case, your motor will has less power and speed.

-to reshape the carbon brush(only sprintdash/powerdash also hyperdashpro/automictunedpro allowed to do so),

you need: cleaner, lubricant...some time multimeter and etc.

step:
1. lube the bushing, which the top end of the motor case, you must always keep your bushing lubed, bushing is the major friction point of your motor, it will be spoil easily, to protect it will ensure it lifetime and performance.

2. low batteries, normally use 1.5 volt or lower power to run the motor, this is the step to reshape the carbon brushes.

3. always keep eyes, thus to ensure the motor is not overheat, overheat will damage the magnet.

4. judge the motor brake in stage via motor rev noise/rpm/amp draw reading/speed. anyhow, motor with no load speed will not be assure that it can run good on loaded. test and record is needed.

5. after brake in, clean your motor by using RC cleaner or any cleaner which you prefer, remember to lube your bushing after you cleaned your motor. now your motor is ready to run.

remind, keep your bushing protected and no

there is no shortcut for brake in motor, you need to pay for machine like M-Master, or each stage of brake in, you need to bring your motor to test and record the time or speed.

this is how motor look like after brake in:
motor will be damage after several use, you have to change motor frequently if you are request for performance...motor will not last forever.
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this is how the brushes look like after braked in. the brush will be rounded..
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Thanks A Lot Bro...Now I Know How It Was Done By The Sifus...hehehe....I still cant afford M-Machine...maybe someday..hahaha..thanks again ya..
where can i buy the time multy meter arr?the yellow thing that every sifu use rite?

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post Nov 14 2010, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(-=conselfa=- @ Nov 13 2010, 11:08 PM)
yup..all parts w/o battery..i'm using tz-x for first time..see how la esok, kena tinggal ngn otai2 VS..  cry.gif
setup using HG plates at front n rear..mid tire..12-13 double roller at front, 4pcs 9mm at rear..
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multimeter..u can buy at big hardware shops like ACE..price around rm20-50..just buy the basic2 one but not so cheap la..
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conselfa: ACE?yeah...thanks you so much..will hunt for it tomorrow..btw..good luck for tomorrow..if i have time, i will drop by..need to go klcc buying somthing..thanks ya...
chienoz
post Nov 18 2010, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(szngszng @ Nov 18 2010, 10:27 AM)
from outside:
long rear wing... unusual huh? my style of setting...
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under deck:
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short wheelbase to improve the agility in the corner
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adjust the angle:
-to improve the speed, i tried to decrease the original angle, end up decrease the stability and flew out... sad~
-thicker stabilizer to hold the track...
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inner:
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original gear setting, proper run-in and lube... typical yahya's setting(i learn this from yahya when we exchange opinion..)
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-as per yahya, this is the fastest/safer setup when nothing reinforced on chassis...
-you might improve it by using fluorine coated shaft...and coated long shaft
-this car no fluorine shaft due to out of stock...
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brake:
-it used to has 5 pcs, 2 has been taken off due to faster time attack..
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strategy on LC:
i tried flying LC to improve the time... but slightly risky.
-if the car not fast to fly from down slop LC, it will directly hit the track...
-if the car flying out and get proper angle... it less harm to the chassis and better landing point...
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no gold terminal on this car yet... but polished...not a bad idea when you don't have gold terminal...

any comments and improvement welcome. smile.gif
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szngszng...

thanks for your tips in break in motor...i did it n i think its working...just now around 5 to 8pm testing at TU...i think still not perfect...but faster than before. rclxms.gif just im still thinking how to use the multimeter...hahaha..any advice from u?
but now track is technical layout...don't have the right chassis setting...only have 1 full vs chassis...(short in budget,so cant buy parts)..hahaha
anyway thanks again bro...we shud meet up one day at TU...

BTW, nice meeting you GAB...

cheers
chienoz
post Nov 22 2010, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(szngszng @ Nov 19 2010, 12:17 AM)
we share... slowly look for your own style of doing motor and car... the beauty of playing mini 4wd~~ brows.gif
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thanks...

yeah..sharing is caring.. biggrin.gif
yup..my own style..hehehe
regarding the multimeter...how to monitor it arr?i wanted to buy the multimeter...but i dunno how to use it..i just saw only once people using it n tak sempat to catch up..hehehe...
chienoz
post Nov 22 2010, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(szngszng @ Nov 22 2010, 10:13 AM)
nice...  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
the purpose of multimeter is to check voltage of batteries .... the power the battery, the faster your car...
those for motor, we are working on it... if you have no problem on finance... buy motor master better...
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oooooo....so, the multimeter just check battery voltage...oooo..you guys still working on it arr..ok2..i think i read about it in this forum but dunno wat version la...they talking about break in motor using multimeter...they said the motor will be in best performance when the motor achieve certain2 "amp level"

"amp level"
im not so sure this word betul or not...hehehe..correct me if im wrong...

finance? brows.gif i can manage it...btw,how much is the motor master?i heard around +-rm500...but we must make sure tamiya mini 4wd will be last longer in malaysia... thumbup.gif
so we can spend a lot of money to play, to research, to share and do everything in this hobby...HIDUP TAMIYA MINI 4WD... drool.gif

hehe
cheers
chienoz
post Nov 22 2010, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(szngszng @ Nov 22 2010, 10:50 AM)
good then...

yes... certain ampere level... and it's much more complex issues and factors in between it...those will affect the reading shuold take into consider...

read this and understand ...
http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/en_US/technic/t_0201.html

hope it help...

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ooooo...ok2...will do the homework...if can la..im not so gud in science n math..hahaha..but i will try for MINI 4WD...hehehe...
thanks ya...hmmm..

motor master how much does it cost arr?

if i meet u in TU how to recognize u arr?hehehehe..newbies want to meet the sifu..hahaha
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post Nov 22 2010, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(-=conselfa=- @ Nov 22 2010, 10:11 AM)

hard to explain here..next time u see ppl use multimeter at TU, quickly ask them..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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hehehe..ok...next time must monitor..hehehe..or i just ask u when u at TU..hehehe notworthy.gif


Added on November 22, 2010, 4:03 pm
QUOTE(szngszng @ Jun 22 2010, 04:50 PM)
can't sleep... checking some motor data...

for those powerful motor... normally 3V under no load will consume 0.7~0.8(10A)...

thus, provide high speed and high toque...

but ensure there is no other load that cause power consume when you test...also... no other lube for less friction...
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yes...at last i found this one...its urs szngszng..hahaha

0.7~0.8(10A)
is this the perfect number to measure the motor performance or im wrong?


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