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 How many ppl here are actually doing phd?, Many topics here arent PhD stuff..

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post Jul 11 2010, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 11 2010, 09:43 PM)
ah.. means to study phd in our monash will have less supervisor choice?? then supervisor ma burden wif students cuz not enuff...
then if dont have the equipments how do u guys cary on wif the research?
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That's where IPTAs have a chance get a source of income...DNA sequencers, Electron microscopes, mass specs all are services to public...they charge non-affiliated organizations more expensive...
as for monash, maybe they can use those in melbourne campus? especially those not available anywhere in malaysia..
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post Jul 11 2010, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 11 2010, 10:08 PM)
Erm... I'm not certain about this one. There are *some* students that have different supervisors from different campus branches, but as far as I know, anyone doing research locally has to do it locally. I could be wrong though.
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hmm..i also don't know...more advanced stuffs like particle accelerators...
the usual practise from IPTAs are to do attachment to labs in overseas with such equipment and knowledge...but have to source own funding to make it possible...
if it's just the results needed, they will send the samples and wait the results without going overseas..
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post Jul 13 2010, 08:25 AM

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yup a big fan of the comic...
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post Jul 13 2010, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jul 13 2010, 11:53 AM)
sometime during blur or stuck at research things, i read comic from this:
http://xkcd.com/

mathematical and sarcasm, perfectly blend lol
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Good one...another place to hang out while waiting for stuffs to run..

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post Jul 13 2010, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 13 2010, 12:42 PM)
another place to waste my time...and I have progress report to submit this friday...lol
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nice agarose gel you have here...
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post Jul 13 2010, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 13 2010, 04:33 PM)
so far how's the results? interested to know
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yeah...this is a project directly related to daily life...
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post Jul 13 2010, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 13 2010, 06:12 PM)
Sorry, quite bz lately, only now realize so many topics discussed here.
Well, i think for my uni, u must finish ur phd in 4 years time for full time. 2-3 years is minimum, if im not mistaken. Still blur about the concept thou.
about study, yeah, read alot of journals, Google scholar quite helpful, i cant imagine how ppl before the birth of internet do their phd, must be quite hard to find books and journals. Need to use university library and inter-loan or something.
Im 24 this year, hopefully can get my phd in 2-3 years time =)
I think if you manage money properly, u can buy a property, lets say u are NSF scholar with 2.3k monthly allowance, buying a small apartment around 100k, i think will cost u around RM700 per month? so u still have 1.6k for cars and food. Well, for me..im looking for one property as well, so lurking around property talk in lowyat.net to learn more. I think u can buy a house and a car with allowance, but perhaps no gf? lolz no money to pay for another half of u =P

yup, my senior in nottingham, just finish his phd and become a lecturer here, he mentioned gaji is around 5-6k. quite good i think.
If u guys have a kids in the future, enroll them in o-levels and a-levels after that. skip spm. haha, one of my fren, much younger than me, i think he is around 22 now? doing PhD at Cambridge.. damn jealous man. haha
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hmm...4 years..almost not possible for some bio-related fields...especially those who went out attachment to labs in overseas..3 years minimum and 5 years max in UKM and ANU as far as I know..Possible to extend 1 semester in ukm to finish writing and viva...

And yeah, if you do lab demo/tutor/teach tuition, you can own property...
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post Jul 13 2010, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 13 2010, 08:59 PM)
not biorelated only la.. most science field cant phd so young.. Arts field can la.. management master 1 yr can kau tim
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chemistry can...

QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 13 2010, 09:59 PM)
yeah, perhaps you are right, in bio-related, we can see even the degree is minimum 5 years right?

btw, i think, NSF (MOSTI) will sponsor phd students maximum 3 years only?

Tempoh Pembiayaan Biasiswa NSF
a.  Ijazah Sarjana - maksimum 24 bulan
b.  Ijazah Kedoktoran - maksimum 36 bulan

taken from here http://ehcd.mosti.gov.my/ehrd/nsf.php
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Minimum is 3...but people barely finish lab work at 3 years....yeah...NSF only 3 years...can get a 6 month extension....after that you're on your own...
if do attachment at overseas lab, better suspend that semester/academic year and notify NSF about it...
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post Jul 13 2010, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 13 2010, 10:40 PM)
The thing about public uni in malaysia, they like to rush the student. Grad A.S.A.P, I feel rushed when i'm doing my undergrad study, one sem, I have too many classes to attend, sometimes i don't have time to eat until almost midnight.

About time, student should take their time (not too long of course). The thing with research study, the subject have mind of their own....results like chipsmore, sekejap ada, sekejap takda. I think two years is adequate for research (MSc) however, this does not include writing. IMO, 3 years for PhD is too short.
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not necessarily...depends on your supervisor...some students are so talented that the supervisor refuse to let the student go...came up with all sorts of excuse...thesis draft not yet read la, misplaced the thesis draft, ask the student to do extra work so that more papers could be published...of course, the supervisor is paying the student once the scholarship expires...some lecturers just want their students to grad ASAP..

agree with you on the time part, especially when you are a bio research student...usually PhD lab work takes 3-3.5 years...writing + viva another 0.5 years..
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post Jul 13 2010, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 13 2010, 10:53 PM)
Which of you are doing Masters and Phd overseas?
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I'm at ANU Australia for my PhD..
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post Jul 13 2010, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 13 2010, 11:20 PM)
Like my lab colleague, she supposed to finish her MSc research around this time. Somehow, my supervisor still want her to do more work, they working on upgrading her MSc to PhD.

One of my senior, he takes such a long time for MSc writing. He finish his research more than a year ago. But, I think my supervisor is okay with it.
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oh...it's good that your university have such upgrade option in place...UKM doesn't have this...if you wanna convert your masters program to a phd program, the conversion has to be done on the 3rd semester...and some requirements to fulfill as well...after that, there's no option for upgrading..
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post Jul 13 2010, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 13 2010, 11:38 PM)
Thats the downside eh? they should be flexible with these stuff. If the students meet the criteria and requirements, why not?
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Hmm..pros and cons i guess....UKM's MSc for Biosciences is a research degree with coursework components..
so the criterias to convert are:

1) get 3.67 and above for the coursework components (taken during 1st 2 sems)
2) complete 90% of research objectives within 1st 2 semesters
3) present progress of the MSc results and propose what to do next to make it a PhD in front of a panel and need their approval
4) support of supervisor (usually they will approve coz they want PhD students)

so basically all those have to be done before the 3rd semester of MSc finishes...if not, you could just graduate with a MSc which makes sense isn't it..
it's a more systematic upgrade path...the con is that it's not flexible..
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post Jul 14 2010, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 14 2010, 12:02 AM)
Well, actually Unimas not that flexible. They have the same kind of rules that UKM have. But for biotech, research mode MSc only available. I think because of that, eligibility for conversion can be a bit subjective. My lab colleague a bit skeptic about the conversion. She said the process might take too long that she convo first before they approve it.
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A lot of my ex-colleagues and seniors refuse to upgrade even when they met the criterias to convert...they wanna do their PhD overseas once they got their MSc...and frankly, our MSc program is quite good...thanks to our lousy lab equipments and absence of postdocs in the lab, our MSc students learnt alot through trial and errors, have stronger fundamentals and etc, which makes our MSc students look good in CV when it comes to "Skilled/ techniques learnt" department..
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post Jul 14 2010, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 14 2010, 12:23 AM)
Yeah, our lab didn't have postdocs too, so the new MSc will learn from the more senior MSc, usually only 1 years difference. Our lab not so lousy i can say, but I think most of us (in that lab) are child of the 80's when it comes molecular biology technique. I still use the old school ways to do stuff, that really helps with understanding the fundamental of the particular protocol. I still use 1st generation PCR machine. Furthermore, it's cheaper compared to depending on kits all the time. Try to teach the undergrads under my supervision/care that it's not all about the results, but acquiring the skills and techniques, apparently, they don't get it, they are too pampered.

If it were up to me, i also don't want to upgrade, because i like to do my PhD overseas, after all, i'm still not ready for PhD level of responsibilities.
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haha...of course it's not that lousy..maybe i should say not very properly equipped? most of the labs except some do not have a separate office...students just use their computer on the lab bench...and since there is no pantry as well, students just drink and eat in the lab...

another example is nanodrop spectrophotometer...most of the labs are still using conventional spectrophotometer...which sometimes is not that accurate and needs more sample compared to nanodrop..
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post Jul 14 2010, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 14 2010, 10:08 AM)
not where but its just a common thing. DO u think your supervisor will upgrade your small master project for phd and lose the chance to get u do another phd project? You do masters and phd they get to publish 2 papers instead of 1 paper if u just convert to phd.

The only thing that matters to superviosrs are results and publshing papers. They dont give a shit about the students.
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yes..they will...lecturers want as much PhD students as possible...but of course not with the small masters project...
they will persuade students who fulfill the requirement to convert to convert their masters to phd...with additional work..
this is simply because PhD will have to publish more papers than masters students in order to grad (talking about the same field of course)
another point is supervising more PhD students will boost a lecturer's cv, have more publications to their name and finally their chances of promotion...


Added on July 14, 2010, 12:40 pm
QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 14 2010, 10:38 AM)
LOL...here master students need to publish at least two papers to graduate you see (not sure other uni). Conversion to PhD actually helps them (supervisor and students) in a way. It saves time and cost. The continuity helps the research too. If supervisor can get a PhD student in 5 years after undergrad study, compared to master (2.5years)+ phd (5years) then only get a phd graduate, surely the supervisor supports the conversion. The only problem is whether the administration approve it or not. Supervisors are human, I know some supervisor can be mean, but a lot of them also caring, they even help with getting accommodation in uni. They do give a shit about the students.
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yeah..i agree with you....i stayed in my supervisor's house FOC for 1 week when I 1st arrived at australia..headache looking for accommodation here...
and the school is trying their best to support students...we have laptops and stationary provided...


Added on July 14, 2010, 12:42 pm
QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 14 2010, 11:18 AM)
I never know can do conversion like that...  sweat.gif

After phd, are you all going to continue for postdoc?
According to my information, postdoc takes 2 years and counted as working experience, too. And they got salary?
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post-docs is an occupation..and the pay is decent...PhD students get paid $22.5K per annum (tax-free) and post-docs get paid around $60k per annum (pre-tax)...
length depending on the contract...some 1 year, some 2 years..some get extension after contract finishes...

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post Jul 14 2010, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 14 2010, 02:03 PM)
Post doc is minimum 6months right? i would like to do post doc as well, somewhere in UK perhaps. Since all my study years in Nottingham Malaysia only. =(

btw any of u going for MIT Accenture Lecture series this 24th July? Im going =)
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Post-doc is recommended for a research career...
however, the system in malaysia is a bit stupid...as post-docs are almost non-existent except some labs...
So if you join the academia (university) after you finished 1 or 2 post-docs positions, those who join the university earlier without post-docs are considered your senior, have more experience and have a higher chance to get promoted 1st...most lecturers join the university without post-doc experience...
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post Jul 14 2010, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 14 2010, 04:11 PM)
Aww~ your supervisor so kind. One week in your supervisor's house, was it awkward?
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Yes it was...><..although he kind enough to offer me a place to sleep, i still felt awkward...felt that i was restricted (maybe psychologically)...
but Canberra was having accommodation crisis at that time...the university even rented 2 motels nearby to accommodate students..but i was unlucky to missed that 1 out...
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post Jul 14 2010, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 6 2010, 05:13 PM)

I am a 1st year PhD student at Australian National University..My research area is protein engineering and crystallography..
My main methods for protein engineering are directed evolution which mimics the process of protein evolution and rational design..
These methods are used to improve enzyme properties
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Quoting myself from the 1st page...
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post Jul 15 2010, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 14 2010, 11:47 PM)
Final year PhD student from Miskatonic University . My research area is in anthropology.

I'm currently conducting studies on prehistoric culture and and social dynamics.
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post Jul 15 2010, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 15 2010, 11:28 AM)
never hear of that university before. I think you're just trolling in this thread and not a real phd. Just my opinion smile.gif
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you'll know the truth if you read the 1st two pages of this thread... laugh.gif


Added on July 15, 2010, 12:00 pm
QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 15 2010, 11:54 AM)
Don't be so harsh. You have no idea how many universities in this world, even fiction one. If you actually google it, you'll find the uni http://www.miskatonic.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskatonic_University

It's in Massachusetts.  biggrin.gif LOLOLOL...anyway, nice one VMSmith thumbup.gif
that's the reason highwind85 amused by VMSmith post


Added on July 15, 2010, 11:59 am
Which one your supervisor? Professor Seneca Lapham  or Professor Joshua N. Marsh?
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coz that's not the 1st time he does that...

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