Okay but that's beside the point. His point was that it's not easy. He challenged anyone to prove (or disprove) his position that a PhD was not easy. I accepted it on the condition that he cover the expenses. This has nothing to do with money at all.

I think the whole idea is to suggest at least one PhD course that require minimal brain usage, more to tedious and boring work (Conditions: got good books, good lecturers and sufficient fund(s)). Any suggestion(s)? Anyone?

Get me a second upper or first class result, show me an admission to renowned university for phd with a good research topic, i myself will help u from A-Z to get your fund. that is my promise.

if u think i would give money to you, for nothing, no proof, or just phd on the net. haha u must be 1 big dreamer boy. =)

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Added on July 18, 2010, 12:31 amThis post has been edited by spikyz: Jul 18 2010, 12:31 AM

Ya so u got first class honour, scond class upper and stuff like that. But you dont need such high pointers to enter masters course. I have coursemates who get less than 3 pointer and they are doing their masters. After they grad they can go for phd if they are willing. So the point is you dont need high pointers to further your studies.

Doing a phd doesnt mean u have to enter prestigious uni. Even local university phd degree is consider a phd degree. So its not as difficult to enter a postgrad course like u guys said.

You may not need high pointers to do a masters or a phd later...but you need those pointers to convince supervisors to take you, you need those pointers to compete for a scholarship...

Yeah, but they most unlikely got all those Zamalah (Bursary) or MOSTI sponsorship (in unimas this range from rm1.5k to 1.3 per month)....most likely got smaller sponsorship, KPT mini bajet or study loan. If you take coursework master, low pointer might not be an issue. For MSc by research in Unimas, if your pointer below 3, you have to work as RA for a year, then only you qualify to apply for MSc.

anyway, wondering how your friends fund their studies? self-fund, loan or sponsorship? They're doing coursework or research? What field they're taking?

Yeap, but I guess they're talking about MSc by coursework. If by research, f4tE friends surely lucky huh?!


BUT!!!!!

no one suggest one PhD course that require minimal brain usage, more to tedious and boring work (Conditions: got good books, good lecturers and sufficient fund(s)).

Define minimal brain usage...

No matter how minimum on brain usage, it will still sufficient to make someone headache for PhD.
Even doing simple survey, you still need to know how to set the questions for the survey and how to analyze the survey.
In such level, I doubt you will still use the way you do your survey during undergraduate...

This post has been edited by Dark Lord: Jul 18 2010, 05:55 PM

WARNING! TLDR

One more thing, I think it's quite obvious, most of postgrad students here doing their study (PhD and MSc) via research....so when we talk about how hard it is, it reflects mostly on research not coursework. I'm not downgrading coursework, it's not easy in its own way.

when we're talking about how hard it is, it's not just about getting yourself registered for it, but the whole process of learning. As some said, enrollment is not hard. But that is not all to it. It's about doing your study or research to get good meaningful results from your coursework or research, and writing good thesis (whoever say thesis writing is easy, you have no idea about thesis writing).

one more thing, if you talking about masters or phd is easy, and you're suggesting enrolling, getting suam2 kuku results and graduate with so-so achievement, you might as well just go to working sector straightaway. Don't waste five years not making money.

Again, stop saying about PhD or MSc easy, please have more appreciation to knowledge, it's not just about getting titles at the end of your name in business card.

Sorry for ranting, but I couldn't help it.

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and please, anyone, suggest at least one PhD course that require minimal brain usage, more to tedious and boring work (Conditions: got good books, good lecturers and sufficient fund(s)).

Can I add one more condition? That PhD must taken must have educational accreditation from genuine legal body i.e. government

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Added on July 18, 2010, 6:02 pmmaybe you can ask fifi85 to define "minimal brain usage for PhD".

Me doing master already headache like crazy at times . sometime my body cannot handle it, when I'm back home I just pengsan on my bed w/o dinner or shower and only woke up the next day.

This post has been edited by Sargeant Pepper: Jul 18 2010, 06:02 PM

I now undergraduate doing my thesis also headache d...

one minute ago found a new method to solve a problem, next minute 10 problems occur...
The loop repeat every time a problem is solved...

They are doing they masters/phd in USM. Not everyone got below 3 pointer but some do. Its a new department and they take in like around 10 students and all of them depending on masters or phd got the same amount of allowance. Not sure how much but is good enough and should be comparable to those students who get first class or second uppers in other univesities inb malaysia. SO yeah u dont really need high pointers to get good amount of allowance and enter postgrad course

Allowances are basically set throughout malaysia. EVen u get 4.0 flat pointers i doubt you will get extra allowance for that reason. And finding a supervisor to accept u is not difficult because there are so many universities around. Only difficult thing is maybe you wanna get a popular professor which many ppl are interested in.

thanks for the answer

Well, sponsorship or scholarship given is not based on pointers. Mine awarded during convocation. My other colleague have to go interview and the type of scholarship they got based on that. Some of my friends not qualified to zamalah or mosti resorted to KPT mini bajet or PTPTpu loan. Why you need high pointer from your previous study is to set good first impression to panel, it help you to convinced them that you deserve it

For newly open department, it's common for them to be generous to the students, just like unimas few years back...but now, they start being selective and all.

Good luck to all your friends Especially for those 'pioneer' postgrad students.

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Added on July 18, 2010, 6:43 pmLOL. what you do for your final year project?
All the best for your thesis ya

This post has been edited by Sargeant Pepper: Jul 18 2010, 06:50 PM

Those are GRA-ships...not scholarships...you need to cover your own tuition fees or find scholarships elsewhere...with new department, they might even be generous enough to sponsor the tuition fees...but bear in mind that new departments do not come out everyday...sometimes you really need to use your pointers to convince lecturers and scholarships...

1st class will not get you extra allowance...that's for sure, but it gives you the edge over 2nd class students...and bear in mind that a lot of the applicants are 1st class holders...what do you have in exchange to give you the advantage if your pointer is less than 3?

Sorry highwind85, GRA-ships is what ya? I feel like noob...lol

GRA = Graduate Research Assistant..
Certain lecturers use their research grant to employ students...especially UKM, UM and USM...Students will be paid every month...the university sets the maximum rate but the lecturer sets the pay.. In UKM, students with BSc gets rm1600, students with MSc gets rm1800...But this doesn't include tuition fess..So students have to either sponsor themselves or find another sponsor like the mini budget thingy..

Every lecturers pay differently as how much grant they have is different...some may get as little as rm1000...usually lecturers will urge you to apply scholarship/fellowship as soon as possible as they don't want you to drain the grant dry...

I see, now I know the term for it. before I got my bursary scholarship and finalised my MSc registration, I was employed by my supervisor, paid RM960 per month (haven't convo yet for BSc that time)...lol, but I only work for 2 weeks because of my bursary contract (long story).

Again and again people have misconceptions about 1st class pointers...
it is not meant to give you extra allowance or higher salary...but to show your character, hard work and 1st class opens up a few more opportunities that 2nd class or 3rd class pointers can't...the most obvious one is skipping masters and do PhD straight..
Others are scholarships opportunities (some scholarships have 1st class as requirement), bargaining chip with lecturers and better CV just to name a few...
A 1st class pointers also shows a person who strive to be high achiever...which is an attitude desired by a lot of lecturers...i'm not saying others are not striving to be high achievers, but 1st class is the easiest way to show you are one..
Sime Darby (R&D) is one company that is very keen to 1st class students...especially those who graduated from overseas...

Stereo vision for robot navigation. Luckily its a 3 person project.
I'm suppose to do mapping.

This post has been edited by Dark Lord: Jul 18 2010, 08:11 PM

+1

I know I can get 1st class degree, but I'm just too lazy and last-minute-study function is permanently embedded in my brain, so I got 2nd upper class... you get the idea people, if you're honest, CGPA is a clear mirror to you character.

is it engineering or computer science/IT ?

Computer Science

hi guys, i m new 2 dis topic. Would like to ask opinions fr u guys, i m a degree holder who got 1st class degree, n recently i got offer letter 2 pursue my phd study in molecular biology field in local uni. Shld i go for it as i noe is time consuming 2 do a phd study ??