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post Jun 9 2010, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(BRY7 @ Jun 9 2010, 09:27 AM)
just wanna ask, what happened to maemo?
how come i read wikipedia the other day, it says N900 will be the last maemo5 fone?
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because the next OS maemo will become meego
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 9 2010, 10:04 AM)
because the next OS maemo will become meego
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Hopefully meego can be used in nokia n900. tongue.gif
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post Jun 9 2010, 10:30 AM

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I would think there may be a workaround for that, provided if someone can modify the firmware, just like running Android OS on iPhone.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jun 9 2010, 01:37 AM)
Agreed! The branding and ability to show off is another Major key point. Its like the IN thing or must have famous device.

Anyway, I didn't generalize la, where can generalize, what I mean is those uncles, construction workers I know and met during the prayers are not technology literate.
Not entirely true. Its probably your company acquire the right resources, libraries and stuffs. iPhone has strict control and checking compared with others and the good thing is they ensure that the apps is built properly according to their specifications, there's no extras devel or testing app for end users, the app mus be stable and properly built. The reason Apple got lotsa app is because there're man users, and when you own an Apple, and when you register iTunes, everything involes $$$. Purchasig app is so very the easy, just a touch of a button it can charge directly to your credit card with no delays as they acquired your security code as well. Now tell me, who doesn't want to develop app for iPhone? I would love to develop for iPhone if you ask me to choose which platform I would choose to  develop.

For symbian, windows mobile, its also very easy, for Symbian Nokia provided SDK for it since long ago. Plus Symbian OS is not strict as iPhone OS.
As for Maemo, its even better, there're so many language to choose from, and Qt is supported from the very start. Better yet, many Linux app can be ported, as example aMSN, Chromium, OpenDune, Stratagus, Theme Hospital, etc.

Anyway, the app/fame market is leaning more towards iPhone due to there is more market, users which pays for it, etc. Many games developed can actually be ported/rebuilt/etc for another platform if they want to.
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Yes, you got part of the point... but symbian and meamo not easy as iphone, can see most of developer from maemo start complaining, some of the graphic suffer tearing screen, some of it hard to implement. even current Qt having problem, Qt still not perfect as nokia said.

Like you said, symbian and maemo has no restriction but end of result both having large problem, bugs/unstable so on (maemo ofcause very stable then symbian). as for now, maemo is good~ that why i purchased n900, major purpose i like about maemo only internet and pdf reader (most of language microB support well including ajax)

I like pdf reader so much, meamo able open complete pdf including graphic... nowadays most of the phone can't deliver best pdf reader compare to maemo5. i'm programmer, pdf ebook reader is very important to me which allow me carry daily use pdf inside my phone. is impossible for me remember all the syntax/command, example ~ linux server command in pdf already consist 1500pages, yet i'm able view in meamo5 when need.


Every phone got good or bad... as for gaming i still hope 3ds can beat iphone game.... lolx

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post Jun 9 2010, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(eluna @ Jun 9 2010, 10:54 AM)
Yes, you got part of the point... but symbian and meamo not easy as iphone, can see most of developer from maemo start complaining, some of the graphic suffer tearing screen, some of it hard to implement. even current Qt having problem, Qt still not perfect as nokia said.

Like you said, symbian and maemo has no restriction but end of result both having large problem, bugs/unstable so on (maemo ofcause very stable then symbian). as for now, maemo is good~ that why i purchased n900, major purpose i like about maemo only internet and pdf reader (most of language microB support well including ajax)

I like pdf reader so much, meamo able open complete pdf including graphic... nowadays most of the phone can't deliver best pdf reader compare to maemo5. i'm programmer, pdf ebook reader is very important to me which allow me carry daily use pdf inside my phone. is impossible for me remember all the syntax/command, example ~ linux server command in pdf already consist 1500pages, yet i'm able view in meamo5 when need.
Every phone got good or bad... as for gaming i still hope 3ds can beat iphone game.... lolx
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Actually it depends on the developer, for Maemo, there're various language to choose from and when developing for platforms, the more flexibility the more we can do, the easier, the more possibility.
The more restriction, means more simple and in a way it is also easy to do because there's only so much is allowed.
Hard to implement or not really depends if you understand the platform and so on. For example, if you're very experience in C Programming and it's developments tools, suddenly switching to another language and new developments tools, due to unfamiliar, it becomes hard; but for experience people for that tools, it's easy as cake.
Then again, it also depends on the SDK or libraries, since iPhone has been around for some time, their SDK or libraries would've improve a lot.

When there's no or little restriction, there opens much more possibilities and more things you can do, thus there is drawback. It's very simple, the more you control and restrict, the more safe and control you have. Similarly, if Windows have many restrictions, limitations, control, etc. there will be less attack, less virus, less hacking. Many hacking actually take advantage of what is GOOD for people. Simply put, the more doors you open to make it more user friendly, more flexibility, you will sacrifice some security. A simple example is internet banking, because security is top priority, there are many limitations, controls, restrictions, etc. which cause the internet banking not as nice to use as normal websites.

In terms of 3D, the specs of N900, Milestone, iPhone 3GS more or less the same, but the iPhone 4G will be a total different story. iPad games are in HD version as seen from iTunes, and iPhone 4G have similar processor as the iPad?
Plus, with no multi-tasking in iPhone OS3, and no homescreen processes running, no widgets running, etc. the iPhone 3GS will have more resource to run games more smoothly than other smartphones. Thus, it's really a good entertainment/gaming device. A good example would be iPod Touch 3G VS iPhone 3GS, with iPod Touch 3G using less processing power/resources (e.g. no phone calls, etc), it load games faster, smoother too.
Though, having lack of physical control pad, not all games are nice to play; Many games, I find I really want to use a physical control pad or the R1 or L1 button. Too bad some games were not available for PSP, there special games made specific for iPhone, that's how popular it is.



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QUOTE(jordan86 @ Jun 9 2010, 10:28 AM)
Hopefully meego can be used in nokia n900.  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aurion @ Jun 9 2010, 10:30 AM)
I would think there may be a workaround for that, provided if someone can modify the firmware, just like running Android OS on iPhone.
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MeeGo for N900 project already going on right now.
How refined the OS will be for N900 I do not know.
But since MeeGo was extensively tested on N900 I have feeling that N900 will be capable of running it.
Maybe we cannot use some functions cause of hardware limitation.

If I'm not mistaken iPhone 4 using ARM Cortex based processor also.Same as Samsung Wave.
Upcoming MeeGo phone will be using ARM Cortex 9.Nokia will probably throw every high end hardware(minus good camera) for the phone.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jun 9 2010, 11:31 AM)
Actually it depends on the developer, for Maemo, there're various language to choose from and when developing for platforms, the more flexibility the more we can do, the easier, the more possibility.
The more restriction, means more simple and in a way it is also easy to do because there's only so much is allowed.
Hard to implement or not really depends if you understand the platform and so on. For example, if you're very experience in C Programming and it's developments tools, suddenly switching to another language and new developments tools, due to unfamiliar, it becomes hard; but for experience people for that tools, it's easy as cake.
Then again, it also depends on the SDK or libraries, since iPhone has been around for some time, their SDK or libraries would've improve a lot.

When there's no or little restriction, there opens much more possibilities and more things you can do, thus there is drawback. It's very simple, the more you control and restrict, the more safe and control you have. Similarly, if Windows have many restrictions, limitations, control, etc. there will be less attack, less virus, less hacking. Many hacking actually take advantage of what is GOOD for people. Simply put, the more doors you open to make it more user friendly, more flexibility, you will sacrifice some security. A simple example is internet banking, because security is top priority, there are many limitations, controls, restrictions, etc. which cause the internet banking not as nice to use as normal websites.

In terms of 3D, the specs of N900, Milestone, iPhone 3GS more or less the same, but the iPhone 4G will be a total different story. iPad games are in HD version as seen from iTunes, and iPhone 4G have similar processor as the iPad?
Plus, with no multi-tasking in iPhone OS3, and no homescreen processes running, no widgets running, etc. the iPhone 3GS will have more resource to run games more smoothly than other smartphones. Thus, it's really a good entertainment/gaming device. A good example would be iPod Touch 3G VS iPhone 3GS, with iPod Touch 3G using less processing power/resources (e.g. no phone calls, etc), it load games faster, smoother too.
Though, having lack of physical control pad, not all games are nice to play; Many games, I find I really want to use a physical control pad or the R1 or L1 button. Too bad some games were not available for PSP, there special games made specific for iPhone, that's how popular it is.
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iPhone 4G have A4 processor 1Gb which similar to iPad, codenamed "hummingbird" with L2 cache
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BlseeN900

BlessN900 gives you all you've been missing with standard N900 camera: non-blurry low-noise pics in low light, high quality zoom not available on any mobile device before, rich detail in highlihts and shadows!


Check it here http://blessn900.com/

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 9 2010, 10:04 AM)
because the next OS maemo will become meego
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so meaning to say nokia owns meego also?
and is it possible for N900 to upgrade to meego?
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QUOTE(meLi @ Jun 9 2010, 12:21 PM)
BlseeN900

BlessN900 gives you all you've been missing with standard N900 camera: non-blurry low-noise pics in low light, high quality zoom not available on any mobile device before, rich detail in highlihts and shadows!
Check it here http://blessn900.com/

TQ
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oohhhH~~~ this is nicee!
thx!~
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post Jun 9 2010, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Seaedge @ Jun 9 2010, 01:05 PM)
oohhhH~~~ this is nicee!
thx!~
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Found a buyer for your nokia N900 yet?
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1434251&hl=

What price are u letting it go at?


Added on June 9, 2010, 1:21 pm
QUOTE(BRY7 @ Jun 9 2010, 12:35 PM)
so meaning to say nokia owns meego also?
and is it possible for N900 to upgrade to meego?
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Actually its Intel + Nokia = Meego

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post Jun 9 2010, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(eluna @ Jun 9 2010, 12:15 PM)
iPhone 4G have A4 processor 1Gb which similar to iPad, codenamed "hummingbird" with L2 cache
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It'll require next generation device to compete with this mean beast The Samsung Galaxy I9000 will be a strong competitor in terms of specs, especially coupled with its Super AMOLED display, but it stills lacks Android 2.2.

This iPhone 4G will be able to enjoy HD version of the games like the iPad.

QUOTE(meLi @ Jun 9 2010, 12:21 PM)
BlseeN900

BlessN900 gives you all you've been missing with standard N900 camera: non-blurry low-noise pics in low light, high quality zoom not available on any mobile device before, rich detail in highlihts and shadows!
Check it here http://blessn900.com/

TQ
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Seems this will replace your original video camera settings. Hm.... I kind prefer a separate application that don't touch the original camera. From the samples, some shots are actually better in its original form, the altered version seems produced lower quality or due to the adjustment of some settings like contrast, color correction, etc.

MMMmm... because it replaces the original camera settings, kinda reluctant to do it.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 9 2010, 01:05 PM)
Found a buyer for your nokia N900 yet?
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1434251&hl=

What price are u letting it go at?

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LOL.. im not selling it.. instead.. i am looking for a swap for original milestone only. heheheh..so either i get to swap or not.. im not gonna sell thing beast out.. =p


Added on June 9, 2010, 3:30 pmblseen900 kenot run in my n900.. i dun have some compartments.. oh well. since i am still on pr1.1.. cant blame anything.. =.=ii

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installed Blessn900. i am too blind to notice any differences...

and the dark screen after adjusting exposure issue remains.
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QUOTE(ahtiven @ Jun 9 2010, 03:37 PM)
installed Blessn900. i am too blind to notice any differences...

and the dark screen after adjusting exposure issue remains.
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I think that software will cause some crashes, not sure they fixed it or not.
I just read through maemo forum, some of them complained that software cause crashes and the phone reboot automatically.
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Can n900 support Facebook games? Like Hotel City etc
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post Jun 9 2010, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jun 9 2010, 03:46 PM)
Can n900 support Facebook games? Like Hotel City etc
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yes as long as its flash 9 games
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 9 2010, 03:58 PM)
yes as long as its flash 9 games
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means if higher than flash 9 cannot play already ar?



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post Jun 9 2010, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jun 9 2010, 04:11 PM)
means if higher than flash 9 cannot play already ar?
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for noW CANNOT. Flash 10 havent launch for mobile yet
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 9 2010, 04:20 PM)
for noW CANNOT. Flash 10 havent launch for mobile yet
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Thx going to get mine tomorrow.. im sick of Symbian, Android le.. Interface so dull looking and kept lag..

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