Nah, just surprised to see 2037. Why 2037, why this number?
And why only 2037. It's very wierd. Usually it's either 2099, 2999, etc. Very wierd to be 2037, perhaps there's something behind it or some reasons.


AP or Authorised set are the same, 3rd party apps/games or software does not know or care it is AP or Authorised.

Even Authorised set sold by Zitron, nobody knows it is authorised/Malaysian set unless see the Zitron sticker or possibly check the IMEI against Nokia.
Even the N900 sold by Zitron is most probably US Set, because there is NO official firmware for Malaysia.
If you go and download the firmware, you will see Global, US, UK, HK and latest India firmware. No firmware for Malaysia. So, most probably the Malaysia set is US or UK set.

Example:
N900 US Set/model.
Some company import in and sell = AP Set.
Zitron bring in and sell = Authorised Set.

Both are the same, just the matter of who sell/distribute it.

Better find another dealer then, most probably he/she don't know much about the N900. Or is he/she selling you FAKE China N900?
If you're talking about FAKE China N900, then it is valid to compare FAKE and ORI.

As I've mentioned previously, 3rd party apps/software/games wouldn't know you're having an authorised or AP set, UNLESS there is IMEI checking which only allow to be installed for certain country model. This is very rare cases, more likely for Apple devices.
Besides, most people here, if I'm not wrong, are AP set owners, and we've installed so many things, and most N900 owners are in US and UK. AP Set are mostly US or UK set anyways.

Actually quality wise it depends, even authorised/official set distributed by Zitron, it maybe model form certain country. As previous circulated emails, there's mentioned that you can check where your Nokia is made (country of origin). If you get "00", it's the best, which comes from original Nokia factory in Finland.
Even authorised/official set by Zitron may not get the best because they have batches and depends where the stock come from. So, sometimes AP Set can have better build if it's model from certain country.

For Nokia Flagship model like N97, as I've read, it's usually from the main Nokia factory in Finland.

True. Actually this is my first AP phone, lol. I was very reluctant to get AP but there was no original that time and when I want to buy time, AP company haven't even bring in yet, only some people who import in personally and selling at RM3K++!!!
Later some online companies brought in around RM2.5K in lelong.com.my, and slowly more AP companies brought in and the price dropped to RM2.1K+/-
Still reluctant to buy, but have check with Nokia many times, and they either no idea what is N900 ("new model ah? N97 loh") or they have no idea it will come or not, googled around someone email Nokia Malaysia, Nokia UK, etc the reply was simple "Not going to launch in Asia Pacific".
So, finally no choice go for AP Set.
Then after around 2 months, suddenly Nokia decided to bring in the N900. DUH...

Actually, for AP Phones, I think N900 should be pretty safe because all sets should be the same, made in Korea. But for other Nokia models, it can be made by many different countries. My friend is AP Set buyer, and his brother last time open handphone shops. So, sometimes his AP Set is good set (check the code, it was from one of the top factory), and sometimes he get not so good set. But overall, so far, all his Nokia phone has no major problem.

Anyway, from my personal experience, Nokia phones quality are pretty good, maybe previously I only bought Zitron set, but I've never have any problems before aside from the need to change casing. Even my 6600 still surviving well until today (touchwood, hope it continue to lives on), this phone have been drop so many times, etc. Just need to change a new casing and wallah, like new.

My dad's AP Set 6630 is also working until today, he abuse the phone even more and he basically only know how to use basic call and sms. The phone even got virus. The condition is very bad, but all that can be solve with a change of casing.

Of course, at times, maybe some people maybe unlucky to get a lemon or problem unit, that's when the warranty is really important and one will start to appreciates the warranty and additional premium paid is worth it.

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Added on June 17, 2010, 9:35 amMight need to do a deep clean via terminal? Have to cehck with Eiraku d, hehe

What about Save Game?
I find my Angry Birds save all gone:
1. 1st time after upgrade PR1.2, so I play again...
2. I install the level pack... have to re-play everything again...

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 17 2010, 09:35 AM

How to backup the save games?

Yup, agree. Buying AP Set usually must be well prepared for all the consequences, else don't go for it.

Nowadays repairs and parts are getting more and more expensive, possibly they want people to buy new phone rather than repair. Repair requires time, possible extra work, and don't earn much, better just replace. Very common thing.
If not, they ask you trade in for small fee, they earn more, and after they repair your phone they sell it again to "water-fish".
Unless you know the shop or have good friends who work in handphone shop or can do repair, then you can get reasonable price for repair.

The most common is Computers, anything happen, the service people will ask you format or change new parts. Let's say your PC Windows is slow or have problem, the PC guy will be lazy to help you check or no skills to clean the spywares/virus, etc. The process will take long time and only earn little money. They rather format for people, very simple job, fast and easy money.

Don't worry, as long as it's not FAKE N900 (e.g. China N900), it's all good.

It's only the warranty and service/support that's difference. Buying authorised set, you can go in Nokia Centres for format, updates, check, repair, etc all free of charge within the warranty period.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 17 2010, 10:42 AM

True. It's a powerful Internet Tablet even if you don't use it as a phone.

Besides, currently I prefer Maemo, the name, the UI, the Desktop, etc. MeeGo looks ver Android-ish to me. Of course, haven't seen the final product, so can't really comment.

Another plus point is that N900 is very "open" and very packed with hardware, e.g. Infra RED, etc. I'm not sure there will be any device have so many types of features anytime soon. From previous Nokia practices, once in a blue moon, they will have one device which is very complete or packs with many hardwares.
Not sure if MeeGo device will be so "open" and "free".

Finally, MeeGo device seems will be in capacitive touch screen as the public favors over it. It's nice to have multi-touch, mainly for gaming, not much use for apps, pinch-and-zoom ain't important compared to accuracy and ability to use finger-nails and/or stylus. And with capacitive, no more use for MyPaint or Sketch app.
N900 will be a legend by then.

Hm... AFAIK, the 1st MeeGo device from Nokia will be Maemo6/Harmattan rebranded as MeeGo, they called it MeeGo 1st Instance. It'll still use deb packaging system from the last time I read long ago because actually Maemo6/Harmattan is already in development phase when MeeGo plan is announced, so it'll be a waste to drop it off, so instead, they re-brand it to MeeGo. That's what I read in maemo-talk.org, not sure if there's any changes. It's mentioned on "qgil", if you know who he is.

haha, me too. If have extra $$ to spend, I don't mind getting another AP N900 for all the mods, testing Android, MeeGo, etc.


That's what I felt and mentioned when I saw the MeeGo UI, it's very "Android" like.
It really different feel from Maemo, like it's not evolve from Maemo, but more like evolved from Android or Symbian.
Maemo look so advanced and it's very unique, totally stand out and different from the rest. That's what captures my attention and I've never been so interested in a phone before. Saw many phones, they're like mmm.... nice phone design, OS UI/design,.. they look OK, not much different. I can install theme on Symbian to look like it. They're all like very similar to one another, just some different look on the UI. But Maemo is totally like a different species, looked advance and futuristic to me.

Of course, Apple OS is on a different level, it's all about animation and nice graphics. It's animation, smoothness, etc is the best so far and is unbeatable, BUT it lacks proper homescreen, widgets, etc. It's kept simple, thus also contribute to less problem. Without homescreen/Desktop and Widgets, less problem less processor/memory usage, etc.

iPhone 3GS great hardware? Maybe the Cortex A8 processor. Others are failure... mono speakers! Argh! Low resolution screen and very bad in daylight. Weak Wifi, weak bluetooth.... 3MP camera... Lack of many other things if you compare.
Based on it's hardware, it should just cost around RM1K~RM1.3K. iPod Touch 3G 32GB is selling around RM1.1K and it's already quite expensive. It's the brand that cost more.

I think the creators might port or make for Android rather than Maemo...
BUT Zen Bound, Angry Birds... were in iPhone...

But N900 for gaming will not be so great as it lacks proper multi-touch (touch there're videos in YouTube proving multi-touch support capabilities, but I think the coding is harder, unless they come up with a proper library, etc.)
There's also Piano App demoed in N97 supporting Multi-Touch in YouTube, not sure how true. Perhaps someone can verify.

Is ok because many end users of iPhone may not know about about specs, they just want what's the famous thing, and the brand. Imagine mono speakers, that is sooo old and wrong....

Yup, there're many interesting games that doesn't require multi-touch, and some can compensate to not support multi-touch, such as racing game, you don't need to press brake and accelerator at the same time. So, many of the racing games can be ported to Maemo... I would love to see GT World Racing and NFS Shift.

Actually, there is a thread in maemo-talk about multi-touch for resistive. It can be done, it's just that the way to code/write the logic is different with capacitive. Probably have to wait until someone come up with the libraries to make it easy for others to code or something.
But in YouTube, there're some apps already support multi-touch for resistive touch shown in N97/5800. Not sure how true.

2GB is reserved for apps/games.
768MB for swap/virtual memory.

More Info:
http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem

You can charge it anytime you want, just don't let your battery empty. These are not those old technology battery like Ni-Cad or Ni-MH, so no need to wait until the battery empty only charge.
No overcharging also because once it's full, it'll cut off, it won't charge until you battery drop below certain level (e.g. below 85%). If your battery is above 85% and you plug in the charger, it won't charge.

As for your battery problem:
1. Since your battery still new, give it some time.
2. Check if your battery is original. I'm not talking about AP battery, AP battery can be original. What I mean is OEM or Immitation/Fake. Fake battery might have lower mAH and have inaccurate % or battery level.

Depends on how you use actually. For normal use, it's MORE THAN ENOUGH.

For moderate usage, it's enough to last you one day easily. Just charge the phone everyday, it won't hurt. Li-Ion and Li-Poly batteries are not those old technology battery where you need to drain it empty before charging. For Li-Ion and Li-Poly, you can always charge it, and you SHOULD always keep the battery level up, never let your battery empty.

For heavy usage, just get an external charger.

Using 3G will consume a lot of battery, regardless what phone/device you are using, and even if you have 3000mah "TRUE CAPACITY" battery, it won't last you one day.
Just use GSM network (or 2G/2.5G, you can online whole day also no problem).

Also depends on how you customize your phone, if you put many things on the desktop which consume battery, surely it will consume more power. BUT, even I have utilize all the 4 Desktop full of widgets, and I have 3 IM Account plugins connected, Email checking interval of every 1 hour; It can last be about whole day running on 2G/2.5G with moderate usage of surfing the net, facebook, IM and some calls.
Of course, I'll need to charge by in the evening when I reach home.

Finally, sometimes, some people may have "FAKE" battery which does not have the TRUE Capacity. E.g. many "FAKE" battery have less than 1000mah, raging from 700++mah to 900++mah... and the battery level isn't accurate, some "FAKE" battery, it may show FULL BAR and suddenly it can drop drastically. (Just an example, to be sure, sometimes it can be cause by processing running in your phone, etc. BUT for "FAKE" battery, normally it will always behave like this, depending on what type of "FAKE" battery you get.).

Capacitive is famous mainly because of it's multi-touch; but if one day multi-touch is implemented for Resistive, I think Capacitive say bye bye.

With Capacitive, you don't have accuracy touch, no fingernails, no "proper" stylus, etc. No "proper" sketching, paint app, cannot play accurate touch game "properly" (it's a pain and you will want to throw away your device).


For N900, I find the sensitivity is just nice. Capacitive is "too sensitive". For those used to capacitive of course might find a little bit trouble when switch to Resistive, but once you get used to it, you'll find that it's actually better. Too Sensitive, you easily accidentally hit a key or launch some app.

Plus, PRESSURE SENSITIVITY! YARRRR~

Many people are blinded by Capacitive, I too once was interested and questioned why no Capacitive, but after understanding more about Resistive and it's advantages, it's way better than Capacitive.
Capacitive is good for certain scenario, like maybe for a gaming device by utilizing it's multi-touch.
But for others usage web browsing, etc, Resistive is still the best with the ability to support stylus, accuracy touch, etc.
If one day, multi-touch is implemented for Resistive, it'll be pretty much complete (But there is another new technology of touchscreen which have both Resistive and Capacitive touch screen advantages, plus, it has even high level of pressure sensitivity).


You still have your X51v? I still have it, but the battery condition is already not good and my charger dock is damaged. Back then (2006), it already have 600Mhz, altough a different technology, but it's one of the most powerful PPC available with 640X480 resolution. It's great, just lack of "phone capability" and built-in GPS.

I haven't done any of this, plus I heard it consumes a lot of battery.

Have you tried JoikuSpot?

Easy, because you're use to soft touch of Capacitive. Once you have get used to the lightness, it takes some time to get use to others. As I have said, Capacitive is TOO sensitive, it's nice BUT it can get annoying when you can accidentally hit keys or launch apps. It's all a matter of getting use to.

Try using Sketch app in N900, you will see that actually, the sensitivity is OK and there is PRESSURE SENSITIVITY, so when choosing FINE line, you can sketch it hard or soft and the result is great. You CAN'T do that with Capacitive because no matter how HARD or how SOFT you touch, it's simply JUST A TOUCH.

Of course, preference is personal. Some people don't bother about accuracy, pressure sensitivity, ability to use fingernails or stylus. They just want it simple and straighforward, sensitive and multi-touch.


N900 lagging? I don't know what you install or how you use. To BE FAIR, try not to install anything and tell me if it lags.
Just like Windows, people say their Windows lag or slow, try install FRESH Windows and tell me if it lags. It's always down to the USERS and how they use it, what they install.
There're YouTube videos people using N900 running over 20 apps at once, even running GAME and Emulators. All running in background.
Lag? Maybe it's time to review yourself.
BUT Yes, the device is not perfect and need patience and some skills/technical knowledge. It's like a PC.

As for iPhone, yes, it's has the best animation, smoothness and responsiveness. No arguing about that. It's is what it's main advantages are, and there is NO DESKTOP, NO HOMESCREEN, so processing power and memory or resources are not used, thus why less lag. It's kept simple and straightforward. Everything is very basic and simple/straightforward. Just need to understand WHY and HOW.

You remind me of this video review. WATCH IT and understand what you need before buying a phone. Don't buy a phone because other say it's the best or it's powerful. What you are looking for is NOT powerful, but simple, easy to use, straightforward, nice graphic and nice animation. There's no phone that is for everyone. Just need to know what you need or want.

Actually iPhone's multi-tasking is just like what the old Symbian have, but according to Mr. Stevie, they just "make it better". I can agree to that, but mainly because their OS is more stable, better resource/memory management, better control and have nice graphics and animation to ease the user experience.

For Symbian, you can have some services running in the background too. Having that said, the main thing of course are the CORE services, next is the music player, GPS.

Hence, there are no TRUE multi-tasking except N900.

Btw, there're also reason why N900 apps may have more problems, because there're no restrictions, you can install devel apps if you want to, you're FREE to do what you want with your device.
Unlike Apple, which are very very strict, every app needs to be check and approved by Apple. In a way, they can ensure that the Apps runs well and does not cause the OS to have problems like lag, over use of memory, etc.

So, for N900 users, since you're FREE to do what you want, you must also becareful in what you do, know what you do, learn and experience. Imagine when you first use the computer, and maybe there're many things you don't know, you might accidentally delete some important system files, etc.

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Added on June 22, 2010, 3:05 pmThat's also the main problem, it's very easy to use and simple/straightforward (which is good), but there is no way to turn on ADVANCE option for more experience user or advanced/skill users. Everything is LOCK, CONTROL. We paid so much for something that is locked, controlled. Even bluetooth also they want to control, the first time I was like WTH? How come it cannot detect? Google it, I had a BIG shock.
In short, imagine like buying a LAPTOP and you're only given GUEST ACCOUNT on Windows (or accounts with very limited priviledges). Everything is lock away from you. Have to resort to the so-called "illegal" way.

There're no room for the user to improve/advance and learn new things, it's always so simple. Thus, when they switch to ANY smartphone, they're LOST, like a TOTAL noob. But those with more experience in smartphones or familiar with computers, they would have less problem.

But anyway, the iPhone it's still GREAT for what it do/capable of. It just depend on WHAT the person wants and needs. It's simple/straightforward, smooth, responsive, nice graphics and animation and very good entertainment device.
But as a smartphone or bringing computer like experience, it's NO WHERE NEAR. Any smartphones are better than iPhone, honestly.


This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 22 2010, 03:05 PM

Talk about over-protection, recently my colleague told me that his brother bought iPhone and argued that his pictures taken was better my friend's N86. Wahaha, that's a big joke.

In short, when you're crazy over a brand, everything is good. even the MONO speaker sound nice and is the best. WAKAKA
They say LOVE is blind, but "CRAZY" over something is worst...

Yes, there're many missing features in N900 especially phone features, like Contacts Grouping, Ringtone Contacts, etc.

But for other "problems", actually, it's because of the user who doesn't know how to use it.

As I already said, this video says it all:

Fanboy = support blindly, crazy over the brand/product. Always say their product/brand is the best.
Kiasu = as the word say, it's different from supporting blindly, but just cannot lose, but if something is not good, it's still not good. It's also not so good, but better than fanboy

Standing up for the Product/Brand: as the word implies. It's simple, If the product is good, nothing wrong to stand up and fight for it and make people understand. You can choose to let people look down and insult a good product, or you can stand up and do justice for it

Make others understand about Smartphones/etc: as the word implies, these type of people are trying to make people understand and know about each product, the advantages and disadvantages, etc.


I don't see much fanboy here, as I still see most (if not all) people complain and admit the weakness of the product.
And many people don't understand or know what they want, and they get the wrong product and complain and then say the other phone is better. Yes, it's better for THEM, but in GENERAL it's NOT.

As I have said, iPhone is great, but not as a smartphone or bringing computer like experience. If talking about smartphone/computer like, ANY smartphone is better than iPhone, honestly speaking. It's the most restricted device.
But as a simple/straighforward, smooth, responsive, easy to use, nice graphics, animation and entertainment device, you can say it's one of the best.

N900 is totally different level with iPhone, there're totally different. N900 is the most computer-like smartphone, a real tablet in a form of a phone. If people are NOT looking for a tablet/computer-like phone, then they simply getting the wrong device. Maybe these people heard people talking about how great the N900 is and they just buy it without researching and thinking what it means. TO THEM, maybe MULTI-TOUCH is BEST, so no multi-touch = BAD. Bear in mind that this is personal preference. Someone who LOVES taking photos, might complain that "N900 is BEST PHONE? Only 5M camera and no XENON". For these people, GOOD CAMERA = BEST PHONE.
It can different for each individual, so cannot compare like this.

Finally, I might also suspect some "i" owners felt the threats, jealousy, kiasuism, cannot tahan people saying N900 how good to how good. So they jump into this forum and make some noise. Possible? I think so, it happen to any forums, especially automobiles.
Having that said, it doesn't mean N900 owners won't do this, but talking in this forum, of course, we talk about others jumping in.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 23 2010, 10:58 AM

But but... Durian barenaked is poky poky

serious? LoL, I just share my opnion, perhaps you're being serious as looking at the people who trying to explain and defend as fanboys?

Honestly, I don't care which is better and have no support for any brand, competition between the brands is good for us Customers. And as I have said many many times, every individual have their own preference of what they like and how they judge a device is the best FOR THEM. As you can see, I'm sharing and explaining to anyone who reads.

As for defensive for buying something expensive. Firstly, you need to understand my previous point; If something is good, it's good. It doesn't matter it's expensive of cheap, people just do justice for the device.
What you meant is when something is not good, but already paid so expensive, and be defensive in denying that it is not good and keep saying it's good. That my friend, is fanboy.
And so far, I didn't really see this in most of N900 users here. We still complain and gets annoyed with Nokia and what they did to this device and the lack of features, etc.


This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 23 2010, 12:46 PM