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post Jul 5 2010, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(jananan @ Jul 5 2010, 01:10 AM)
they are onto froyo 2.2 now. its never going to get stable because as soon as google releases new code, the boys are porting the new code again.

its never going to end, and we are never going to get anything near "stable" with android on n900.

now is the time i say. lets get android on our n900. even battery reporting is working in the latest build. once they get the GSM/3G module working then its fine-tuning from then onwards.
That's the main problem with Andy to begin with. EACH FREAKING RELEASE IS LIKE A FULL ON OS UPDATE RATHER THAN A FIRMWARE UPDATE.

I mean, come on. Fagmentation much?

NITDroid devs are also to blame for being all "oh the new code is shiny" rather then just get 1.6 working. But, heck, they're geeks lol.

QUOTE(jananan @ Jul 5 2010, 01:10 AM)
i have a feeling that the release of neopwn2/backtrack mobile will create a second wave for n900. imagine all the wannabes who would go and purchase n900 for that purpose and ask dumb questions in "Nokia N900 Thread V4".

i can see it coming.
I'm under the impression that if they know the words "backtrack" and they know it runs on the N900, they'll be less stupid then you'd think.

But the Internet has always exceeded my expectations in that respect. Without fail.

Anyway, toyed around with Navit yesterday, and while the latest SVN + QT painter is phast, it does not have libgarmin. Which is sad.

Oh well.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 5 2010, 09:35 AM)
Nokia already killed it long ago, it's surviving thanks to the community; Look at the apps provided by Nokia? Look at N900 OVI Store... gosh... look at the features on N900 (and what the community has provided, and after so long, Nokia only ABLE to incorporate ONE... I telll you... ONE stupid Facebook plugin... and of all the functions, they only able to provide... the USSD)... Look at what the community has provided for the Maemo OS and also the apps repo.

Will N900/Maemo survive long enough? It really depends on the community now...
Now... the main problem... if the important/contributers were to leave the scene... upgrade to next Nokia device or change to another platform, it'll be great loss... it'll affect N900/Maemo...

Sadly, currently N900 has good specs and very complete hardwares, it's let down by the "incomplete" and "unstable" OS. There's still a lot to be done on th Maemo5, still missing many phone features. Altough many have been provided by the community, there's still many to be done... Another problem is, for community version, there may be more than 1 version available (e.g. im plugins, etc), and those projects can be abandon anytime, etc.

Flash 10.1 was ported to iPad, shocking, and there's no single news for N900/Maemo, despite it's the first to get Full Flash.
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As for me, even if I was gonna get a new smartphone, I don't think the N900 will ever be sold. And as long as I have it, it will continue to be tinkered with. I mean, can you ever stop tinkiering with Linux lol. Worse comes to the worse it'll become the basis for my car-puter

Well, it cannot be sold anyhow - or I'll get into hot soup with me dad ("You did what with my friend's gift?"), never mind the fact that it's mine now.

As for Maemo development, most Maemo devs are old timers and stallwarts, having lived with NITs even as the smartphone world evolved around them. If Meego is gonna be crappy, I don't think they're going anywhere.

If it isn't, they're gonna make it run on the N900 anyway lol. Unless the N9 is sho goooood that it blows everything out of the water for a few years.

Plus, the N900 is prolly the last NIT to use resistive tech, and that's gonna keep some people around as well. Also, the faster Maemo dies, the faster Nokia is gonna consider making the whole thing Open Source, which is only gonna attract more indie devs.

Anyway, just dropped my hardy N900 a few minutes ago, and as my very last epikcase holder tabs snapped, I also snapped and went straight onto eBay to get an Otterbox. It would've been easier if I did THAT to begin with, I would've saved 60 bucks (5 friggin epikcases + shipping)... sweat.gif

There goes my "FUN TIME" budget for the month.

Now for the long, torturous wait for it to arrive.

Adeh, resin case where are you when I need you the most?

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One more possibility, your're running 64bit Windows of any flavour lol.
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Jul 7 2010, 01:22 AM)
I guess this is the end of resin case from lhongwuh.

Anyone else know where to get resin case?Aside from ebay.
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A few UK online shops have it, but they're either out of stock or extremely overpriced (I mean, I want to get s resin case BECAUSE it's cheaper than an Otterbox).

Join me and wrap your N900 in memerang skin... brows.gif

Anyway, the lack of wonderous apps aside (which now that I think of it, the only real ones I need actually is Garmin/Navit, a proper finance app, a decent native image editor (GIMP is blardy slow) bluetooth remote ala SailingClicker and DocsToGo with PDF and Powerpoint), I think the N900 is settling down to be my primary device quite well nowadays.

Considering I installed a tonne of apps I NEVER used on Symbian, though I do miss a few.

My N900 is getting to be quite stable lately, and well personalized due to all my mods. Though better battery life and decent portrait support wouldn't hurt, which I hope (fruitlessly I know) PR1.3 will bring to the table.
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QUOTE(dasonyeoh @ Jul 7 2010, 02:36 AM)
Today walk by few phone shop, asking for soft jacket for n900.. They said got the stock but out of stock... by the time i walk back to the shop, the shop is closed...aiks

if there is a soft case for n900 it will be way more more more more cheaper than the otterbox..
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Silicone = yes cheaper but lembik like heck

Resin = 30£ at some online stores = compare with $25 I got my Otterbox. Ebay cheaper (but not by much, try 10£) but seller unreliable

Capdase Soft Jacket, the original one (actually it's more like a high quality version of the rubber case) = RM30-40? But Capdase website has NONE listed for the N900

Epikcase Rubber Case = Abt RM10 each, but 2 months I broke 5 already

So, silicone + soft jacket + screen protector = Around RM90 already.

That's the same price I got the Ottercase for (plus shipping and all), and keep in mind Ottercase is also silicone + hard rubber + screen protector as well, only it's all three at once.

Only problem is the screen protector in the Ottercase package is utter crap, but thankfully I have my own.

So, I do think "way more more more more cheaper" is an relative overstatement here. Unless the Otterbox breaks in a month, that is. IMHO anyway, and YMMV.

Unless somebody brings in the resin case for RM60, in which case the resin case wins by default.

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QUOTE(jananan @ Jul 7 2010, 05:31 AM)
everybody wants better battery life. i would rather spend on mugen power battery than ottercase...  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I would do so myself, if ONLY the Mugen battery worked better. I personally cannot stand the jumpy battery indicator. They sort that out and it's all golden.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 7 2010, 09:16 AM)
Image Editor? What about Ansel-A?
I haven't tried it yet, but have installed it tough, lol
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it's a great alternative to Picasa, shame I can't resize pics. Though as you well know Picasa < PaintDotNet and I'd like an photo/picture manipulation app of at least PDN's level.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 7 2010, 09:16 AM)
Yea, need Garmin or PapaGo, somehow I find PapaGo better with it's Junction View features, really beat the crap out of Garmin. Many times, I was using Garmin the lane split to 3 or 2, Garmin never really mention to stick to which lane and ended up go wrong way. But with PapaGo, it's an ease.

One reason why I get the iPod Touch 3G, aside from the apps/games, another reason was also for GPS. Sold my previous N81 and was thinking to get a GPS device, after thinking, instead of spending 800~1000 for a PapaGo or Garmin device, why not spend on iPod Touch 3G, I get to enjoy the apps (specifically the Dyno apps)/games and also GPS.
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Hmm, I prefer Garmin actually for it's speedtrap POI handling and the fact that I can hack in Japanese voice instructions. Shame is, for the price of a dedicated Garmin unit I can get a second hand 5800 (which also does Garmin AND other things, lol the irony).

But an iPod touch as a car unit... Hmmm... I didn't know IPTs have built in GPS, I thought iPhone only?

Also, Glogarchive does SMS archiving pretty well, though it saves them into CSV format.

QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Jul 7 2010, 09:51 AM)
You're using starving profile for OC right?Do you have random reboot & sometime lagging problem?
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I have unexplainable reboots from time to time, but very rarely. Say once every week at most? I had a bunch when I tried playing around with SmartReflex, I leave it off now (worse battery life, very rare reboots).

The lag generaly went away when I bumped up the bottom end of my CPUfreq to 500. For some unknown (yet somehow very obvious) reason, limiting the gap between the bottom limit and top limit of the CPUfreq seems to increase responsiveness (ie. 250-850 is laggier than 500-850). And IINM the voltage saved by using 250 over 500 is not that much.

Also, I have hacked the responsiveness of the CPU governor (see the "increase responsiveness" section of Maemo.org's Overclocking wiki) = faster respose, at a very slight battery life hit.

Of course it still lags when I launch and use HAM lol.

@chicaman: Battery life is 60-80% of what the 5800 had, depending on load and usage. But considering that it's 100% faster (interms of raw speed anyway) with the same battery cap (the very same BL-5J actually); it's a fair trade off, woudn't you say?

And you can always buy spares, or like me, carry around an arsenal of USB battery packs of different caps to velcro to the back of the N900 (a 2200 mAh charger practically DOUBLES usage time, as far as my personal tests show).

If you need numbers:
Heavy use = 5-6 hours
Moderate use = 12hours to 1 day

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QUOTE(cHimUn5 @ Jul 7 2010, 01:49 PM)
can n900 download whats app ??
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Community FOS (free and open source) apps mostly, also some apps ported from Debian Linux, some apps running in full LXDE through Debian chroot, and some apps in ovi store.

There's like, a few hundred apps that you can install and run.. Nothing even close to Andy or Apple app store, but it does its job.

Check the FRONTPAGE for details.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 7 2010, 02:35 PM)
It's Desktop, which is different with the "common" homescreen
I don't want to see portrait mode on the Desktop as it would mean losing the ability of flexible Desktop customization.
UNLESS they allow us to choose, as an option.

To be able to provide portrait mode, there will need to have boxes (like Symbian) and all the widgets, icons, shortcuts, need to place inside each box. all the widgets have to be standard size to fit in the box.
We'll loose a lot of things that is available now...
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There's also the gDesk way: saparate configs for landscape/portrait. Meaning you have totally saperate landscape and portrait screens, that you can mod to your hearts content. This should be in line with the Maemo way.

Advantage is, nothing has to be changed, besides providing support for this saparate portrait mode and provisions for a saperate config.

Disadvantage is you have more work to do setting up the desktop - susun landscape AND THEN susun portrait - but the N900's meant to be fiddled with amirite?
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 7 2010, 06:04 PM)
I think the problem is when you rotate your phone and the transition when switching from Landscape to Portrait since it's will be a two different thing.

Then every time you customize the landscape, you need to do the same for Portrait as it's 2 different thing. In short, it's not the same as auto changing orientation, but we're having 2 different desktop, 1 for landscape 1 for portrait.
If we utilize 4 Desktop, it'll be 8 Desktop, LoL

Besides, currently, those widgets are FREE and flexible, no need to be bind to boxes, but if it needs to be fit for portrait mode, some widgets might need to be redesigned else it will waste a lot of space or possibly a little too wide for Portrait mode.

Anyway, it's would be nice to have, but I don't think I will use it. I can already imagine how bad it will be and how many things we will loose out.
So, if there is such support, I do hope it can be turned off.
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8 desktops is fine with me lol, but remember you can turn some off. You can have 4 in landscape and 2 in portrait.

Yes it's gonna be hard work with 2 SETS of desktops, but it would prolly be the most easy to implement, next to pure rotation (like the rotate bug already does - cuts off your desktop in half lol).

But yeah, it's not for everyone. YMMV.
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QUOTE(sexy93 @ Jul 7 2010, 10:23 PM)
heard from my friend that this phone does lag frequently... really ar?
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Being so open, whether it lags or not is actually dependant on what you do with is (unless you get a lemon unit).

Even stock and unmodded, lags are not frequent unless you run more than 6 browser windows at once, and refrain from adding CPU hungry apps to the multi-tasking mix.

Overclocked and modded, my unit hardly lags at all, even with about 16 browser windows open. But with it's desktop grade OS, it's all over if it starts shifting things from RAM into swap/virtual memory - a reboot once in a while clears this up and it's as good as new.


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Have you ever wished that the dashboard (task manager) was EVEN more useful? Ever wished you could launch programs, choose windows, close windows and open websites at the touch of a button? Want more then just 4 desktops? Want to use the camera button to alt-tab through your apps like you could on windows? Not afraid of editing config files and fiddling around with x-term?

Then come on down and get modified-hildon-desktop from here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53651

That is, if you're not running it already (which I doubt is true with the xterm-addicts here).

MHD has sure come a looooong way since the version I used back during the PR1.1 days. Back then it used to lock my desktop up in portrait all the time lol. I've been holding off installing it again for a while - simply because I knew once I installed it...

... I can never live without it any more.

Again. Sigh.

It does have some small bugs though. Trying to squish it with Matan as we speak.


Added on July 8, 2010, 4:09 pmTo RPG heads, Exult has just been released. This, plus GemRB (the baldur's gate engine port) is pure win for a long day with little to do.

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QUOTE(Josh_M @ Jul 8 2010, 10:36 PM)
please elobrate more on this 9 screen thingy... i tried installing it says incompitable version...
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Add the repo, refresh AppMan, choose modified-hildon-desktop install.

AFTER that only install the 9 screen thing through x-term (dpkg). The 9 screen thing NEEDS MHD.
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QUOTE(arcalius_7 @ Jul 9 2010, 09:27 AM)
guys, anyone here tried logmein remote on the browser and rdesktop-cli? really cool flex.gif  if you can remote your pc while you sitting in the toilet watching your torrents or YMing..haha.dunno 'droids can do that.
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I VNC to my pc all the time, though it's NOT unfailable. Have not tried logmein, and r-desktop is a no go because there's no real working RDP on Vista Home Premium (patches don't work).

I've heard that r-desktop works far better than VNC, however.

There's also uRemote for uTorrent, uses the web interface for torrent remote control.
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QUOTE(telomasen88 @ Jul 9 2010, 10:20 AM)
guys...
need some advice....
just how long is the batter gonna hold?
lets say if there's no wifi/3g connectivity...
just smsing/music player...and some calls...
how long will the battery last?
and another thing...
i have this 1 problem...
when i charge my phone till 100%....
i started using it and the battery meter does not reduce gradually...
after awhile from 100% the battery meter is reduce straight to 0%...
i cant even manage my usage on the phone....(when to stop wifiing etc)
is it becoz the battery problem?
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If it goes straight to zero, YES it's a battery problem. My battery guage is jumpy, but it has never gone straight to zero.

Just sms, some calls and music player a bit = 1-2 days, depending on how much musc playing and if you're playing through speakers/headphones. Also, 3G sucks power, stick wth 2G unless you need speedy data (or like me, open multiple browser windows - 2G can only reliably open one at a time).

But from what you're telling us, it sounds like a confirmed case of lemon battery. AP set or Ori set? Just try to get the battery replaced if you can. There's no real way to check, really, except for low battery life.

I once got a K750 which had its battery baloon up and die (killing the phone with it) after only a few hours of purchase. A shame it didn't explode (or I would have enjoyed suing SE Malaysia).

And it was an Ori set too. Which was just lol.

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QUOTE(telomasen88 @ Jul 9 2010, 11:02 AM)
Then i should change the battery?
omg....
battery's gonna cause a lot  rclxub.gif
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Save yourself the agony this time and get an orignal Nokia battery. You pay more, but at least you have a good 1 year warranty too fall back on.
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QUOTE(kfthoo @ Jul 9 2010, 11:26 AM)
i think vnc will not work on win7 machine...and log me in also will not work on n900's micro b.....so how? rclxub.gif
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Ultra VNC (the one I'm using) works fine on Win7 (or so they say). If your running XP or non-home Premium versions of Vista/7, r-desktop/r-desktopcli is arguably a better choice.

I'm running Vista home premium, which means I'm stuck with VNC. Which is fine and all, except r-desktop has better scaling and I'm stuck with scrolling up and down my display lol.

You only have to setup your target pc for DynDNS, setup the router to allow connections and voila. There's a great guide on google, just search "variableghz vnc guide".

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QUOTE(kfthoo @ Jul 9 2010, 11:42 AM)
thks...i'm using vnc free ver....so no choice....will try out r-desktop.  nod.gif
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Ultra VNC is freeware last I checked, and has loads of features. But do try r-desktop and report your findiings back.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 9 2010, 03:05 PM)
There only 32GB version, no other version and only black, no other colour.

It's 32GB, but 2GB is reserved for apps, while 768MB for swap memory, etc. which left you with 27GB.

You can still use microSD up to 32GB (if you can find one, else get a 16GB, there're also different class which determine the speed)

Import Contacts from other phone?
If Nokia phone, use PC Suite, if other phone, see if you can transfer/sync the contact to your Microsoft Outlook.
The final way is copy the contacts to SIM card and then copy from SIM to your N900 contact.
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You have white full casings sold online edi, if you're into that sort of thing and rajin wanna mod hardware.

Besides, most disks have far less cap then advertised anyway. In the microsoft world, they define 1gig as somethins that is NOT EXACLY 1 billion bytes (or something) while disk manufacturers stick to the traditional conversion scheme which states that it's EXACTLY 1 billlon bytes. So a 32GB disk might not show up as 32GB at all.

Though I dunno if the same thing applies to flash drives, and if linux reports storage cap the same way as Windows.

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QUOTE(Here-I-Come @ Jul 10 2010, 11:38 AM)
this phone support flash?
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It even runs my Japanese flash "fun-time" games, though it has issues handling swf with linked mp3. Anybody know how to get around that?

But desktop "fun-time" games on a mobile platform, we've gone a looooong way indeed.

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