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Philosophy Does life have a purpose?, A philosophical question

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post Aug 13 2010, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(BloodyBusted @ Aug 13 2010, 11:23 AM)
everything in life has a purpose..
even the homeless man on the street..
the druggie in ur back alley..
the stray cat you adopted from the garbage bin..

everything has its significant values in life that we take for granted not bothering about it(me included)
we can actually pretty much learn from their mistakes to make sure we dont fall into their footsteps..

my 2 cents..dont flame me..
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People who failed to take care of themselves and strayed animals are just production over run, no one can prevent from failure but human do not become homeless if they are not lazy nor allow themselves to become beggar, we have plenty of histories to learn from and don't need such example anymore.

Ordinary people who go to work, raise children and retire. The entire course of life is influenced by luck, choices and mistakes, they are the generation supplier and the majority consumer, an expectable cycle of life which serve their purpose. If you are not among the exceptional, you tends to think everything has its purpose including rapist & robber.


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post Aug 13 2010, 02:29 PM

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Maybe these people society labels them as "Failures" have a purpose, and their purpose is to be one the dark side. The world is grey, it is a blend of black and it has white, if there weren't any criminals, there would be any cops. We need to balance things out.
They are there, because they are there.
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post Aug 13 2010, 03:08 PM

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The police's purpose is to enforce the law but what is the purpose of the criminals? They too are looking for purpose and disregard other's, enjoy doing what they feel is right rather than think what is right and wrong.

Criminal act is a choice not a purpose, rape is acting on animal instinct, rob is to enjoy monetary wealth in the expense of others... Before you understand everything that can be defined, it could be as simple as know and don't know.

Too convenient to categorize it as grey area or that part of the brain is blank before you fill it with knowing.
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:00 PM

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You do have your points. Everyone has a purpose in life, some found it and follow it, some don't. Maybe criminals are the ones that Haven't found their purpose in life and wandering aimlessly, somehow bump into the illegal part of life. It is abit harsh to call them "production over run".
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:39 PM

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Somehow I quite agree with a comic's quote for life:

In life, you just search for something that can provide you peace and calm.

If you are hungry, you are not calm, thus you search for food.
If you are alone, you are not calm, thus you search for partner.

Somehow I quite agree that our life purpose is to search something that can calm us till even death is the same, all of us want a calm death
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post Aug 13 2010, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(k0k0puff @ Aug 13 2010, 04:00 PM)
You do have your points. Everyone has a purpose in life, some found it and follow it, some don't. Maybe criminals are the ones that Haven't found their purpose in life and wandering aimlessly, somehow bump into the illegal part of life. It is abit harsh to call them "production over run".
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Real words are harsh to the ears, I learn many valuable things about life by reading real issues in this forum from the debates. An eye opener indeed, particularly how people defend their believes and how far they willing to go with it. I remember the most is: No one is obligated to be nice, it is just a manner.

So, people who have lost their purpose are ruthless.
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post Aug 13 2010, 11:38 PM

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Our purpose of life, is the purpose to create our own purpose....Free will

What is the purpose of liver, heart or kidney??? Thinking that your life had a fixed purpose or destiny like our heart and kidney would be absurb and show some poverty on how you look at life.


Even if you believe someone like god who keow your purpose does not equate that you can just do whatever without thinking and expecting whatever you do is a purpose. You still need to create your own purpose of life.

To some extend we agree that we are somehow a playing cards to others or external force, but sometimes we too are capable to play the cards. That's call manipulation. Science, politics etcc.


A friend once ask me what can you do with a marketing and management or philosophy degree, why not accountancy?? Sometimes the reason people pick a course like engineering or accountancy is because of the certainty which it can provide. People don't like to hear u can do whatever you wan with that degree. That is a fact in life.

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QUOTE(communist892003 @ Aug 13 2010, 11:38 PM)
Our purpose of life, is the purpose to create our own purpose....Free will

What is the purpose of liver, heart or kidney??? Thinking that your life had a fixed purpose or destiny like our heart and kidney would be absurb and show some poverty on how you look at life.
Even if you believe someone like god who keow your purpose  does not equate that you can just do whatever without thinking and expecting whatever you do is a purpose. You still need to create your own purpose of life.

To some extend we agree that we are somehow a playing cards to others or external force, but sometimes we too are capable to play the cards. That's call manipulation. Science, politics etcc.
A friend once ask me what can you do with a marketing and management or philosophy degree, why not accountancy?? Sometimes the reason people pick a course like engineering or accountancy is because of the certainty which it can provide. People don't like to hear u can do whatever you wan with that degree. That is a fact in life.
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Well to be fair, If you look at it from a philosophical standpoint, the more pertinent question should be what can't you do with an insert A degree. And to be perfectly honest with you, I think most Malaysians are pretty shallow minded and when they ask you that, they aren't asking you this deep philosophical question of what can I do with this piece of paper. They just want to know what the chances of of getting job A or B.
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post Aug 15 2010, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Aug 9 2010, 09:13 PM)
why do animals live? what is the purpose of their lives? there in lies the answer.
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What makes you think the answer is there?
Any evidence?

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post Aug 15 2010, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(adrian1984 @ Aug 15 2010, 02:10 AM)
What makes you think the answer is there?
Any evidence?
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what makes u think...as a living being..we're different from animals in relation to life? Yup...include trees in my question too. What is the life purpose of a tree...and there in lies the answer.

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post Aug 15 2010, 01:49 PM

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Animal & plant, virus and bacteria made the ecosystem by interact with other elements in Earth, that is their natural purpose in itself but human is exceptional and broke away and became cancerous.

Human development model (purpose) must change to preserve the ecosystem that continue to sustain life otherwise civilization is a disease creating harmful gases and poisonous by products.

The purpose to one individual may only be one lifetime and most probably to gain wealth and live comfortably, in terms of life on Earth or in the universe, you have to ask the creator. asking this question lead to doubt if there is god particularly when we feel insignificant and in misery or despair.

Life continue because we did not choose to be born and sexual instinct is build in for this purpose, all living things are made to populate and extinct when it failed to keep up and end of their purpose.

I think in the end, we want to know our own purpose as an individual because we grow up, learn and enjoy living, if you think you will go to the creator after death, then you let nature take its course but if not, then you have only ONE lifetime and the next minute could be the end of your purpose.

Have you wonder how many times this topic has been discussed by human of the world? So go do what you think and feel:)


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post Aug 15 2010, 11:32 PM

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The purpose of animal or plant is so obvious....What a ridiciously question that is

The purpose of my dog is to eat, sleep, bark, f***, run and die..that's all
Human can be like animal too. Eat, sleep, work, f***, steal, study, and much more.
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QUOTE(communist892003 @ Aug 15 2010, 11:32 PM)
The purpose of animal or plant is so obvious....What a ridiciously question that is

The purpose of my dog is to eat, sleep, bark, f***, run and die..that's all
Human can be like animal too. Eat, sleep, work, f***, steal, study, and much more.
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The topic entitle: Does life have a purpose? not the ABILITY, are you dump?
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post Aug 16 2010, 12:10 AM

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Well I believe that everything is center around happiness in general, the purpose of live for me is to make ppl happy around me, to make the right choice to always be proud of myself and about what I've done in my life.

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Aug 16 2010, 12:50 AM)
The topic entitle: Does life have a purpose? not the ABILITY, are you dump?
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I guess Ts is referring to Human instead of Animal....And i was not insulting you, but rather highlighting the point of free will. I was trying to joke and i guess i fail to do so.

What is the point of the purpose of knowing the purpose. I don't even think the animal or plant are aware of what they are doing or intended to.

Purpose of life is as simple as it is, From A to B....The question we should ask is rather how u live with it...The journey

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post Aug 16 2010, 11:46 AM

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Every life has a purpose, as cruel or unpleasant as it is, it happened for a reason.
Hitler waged a war with the world, causing the world war2, yes, it is very cruel and many had sacrificed, but it led to what we have today. I'm sure life would be different from today if WW2 never happened.
If WW2 never happened, japan never invaded Malaysia, Malaysia never had an independence day, n we might still be under the rule of British.(just an assumption)
As bad as it looks and feel, it has a bigger purpose and it happened for a reason.
PS. life is harsh, but doesn't mean we have to be.
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The reason why people ask the purpose of life is due to the fact that the uncontrollable factor in life such as u born in a poor family. But does that suppose to lead to a conclusion that life in uncontrollable and unpredictable?? By nature we can't fly, more people should be dead in tsunami or earthquake. But it seem mankind had always found a way to control their fate. By destiny every man will die when they get old, but one day this might be undo.

Our direct purpose of life is of cause eat, sleep, sex, work and reproduce. But the bigger purpose of life that we always ponder as intelligence creature is depend on how we decide and live it.
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post Aug 16 2010, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(k0k0puff @ Aug 16 2010, 11:46 AM)
Every life has a purpose, as cruel or unpleasant as it is, it happened for a reason.
Hitler waged a war with the world, causing the world war2, yes, it is very cruel and many had sacrificed, but it led to what we have today. I'm sure life would be different from today if WW2 never happened.
If WW2 never happened, japan never invaded Malaysia, Malaysia never had  an independence day, n we might still be under the rule of British.(just an assumption)
As bad as it looks and feel, it has a bigger purpose and it happened for a reason.
PS. life is harsh, but doesn't mean we have to be.
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What you have addressed are cause and consequences not the purpose of life, the question is why living things continue to live, and what is the purpose to live from an entity point of view not seeking the answer from human behavior perspective.
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post Aug 16 2010, 03:55 PM

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The topic says, "does life have a purpose?" it can mean every individual's purpose or human races' purpose. It is up to your own interpretation, my statement just now was about Hitler's purpose in life.
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Hitler purpose of life is to dominate and conquer the entire world...Our purpose is to screw him up....LOL

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