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Philosophy Philosophical question of intangibility., And ultimately, inevitably to God.
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Jul 15 2010, 12:49 PM
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Isn't it that "Believing" and "Denial" play a major parts in this issue?
For some; " i believe in my feeling but i deny the feel of spiritual being ". Yet for others; " i believe in the existence of spiritual being and fate and i deny all feeling of myself loving or caring for others ".
one cannot control how other accept or do not accept certain facts, some serial killer actually enjoy killing others and do not feel bad at all, yet many choose to believe that killing others is bad. just like vegetarian and meat eater, they choose what they like and what they want to believe in, no one else can control that, but others can try to influence others to do the same.
"Believing" and "Denial" is yet something that cannot be measure or judge. For example, there no saying that believing in the fact "killing other people is good", it's just that majority of us decided that "killing other people is not good". For animals, some kill for survival, so the same for believing in "feel" and denial of "God" or vice versa is the same, some probably feel better or live better believing that "God" exist, but for some others denial of such existence is better for them.
There is no reason why we cannot accept others that deny the existence of "God" as intangible. There is no reason as well why we cannot accept others that believe the existence of "God" as intangible. It is just just a matter of majority, isn't it?
I, myself is one of those that believe the existence of "The One" Existence, for many so called "God", and hoping one day having the chance to meet "Him/Her/It".
Does this truly matter for others close to me that do not believe in such existence? For me, at this moment there really nothing wrong with this, unless one day if saying all who believed in this fact will be killed, then i probably choose to deny the fact for survival.
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Jul 15 2010, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 15 2010, 12:53 PM) But all of that will simply means that you're in denial right? Funny isn't it? i can explain in denial yet i deeply believing in the existence. human always like this, deep inside they know something is truly exist and possible to be true, but yet they can deny it all if they wish to. I truly believing in such existence, but i wont go and spread about this believe or encouraging other to have the same believe as this is not something i'm capable to do. What i can do is to tell others that i do believe that, but it doesn't matter at all if other don't believe.
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Jul 15 2010, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 15 2010, 01:26 PM) But that also means you're accepting that you're in denial, isn't it? I do not deny this fact, as i doing so to prevent myself going extreme about this, as going too extreme on one hope or believe will hurt myself more then hurting others. Thanks to my not so great experience from before, i keep myself as neutral towards many things as possible, because i learned that putting all hope and believe with one thing will definitely hurt myself more when the hope or believe is broken.
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Jul 15 2010, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 15 2010, 02:47 PM) Isn't that just an excuse? hmm... probably... since it is a mindset that developed inside me as a protective measure... my mind start to tell me that believing too deeply will hurt myself, so i prevent myself to do so in many matters, it can be an excuse for protecting my "feel". now in my mind a question pop up, is it the "existence" wan me to have this mindset or its just me having this mindset due to certain chemical in my brain trigger me to?
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Jul 16 2010, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 15 2010, 08:39 PM) It's you. You rather live in denial because you know the truth is rather harsh. Yes, i am... truth is too harsh on me, so i choose to live like that so that i can calm myself and continue on with my living dealing harsh truth...
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Jul 16 2010, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 16 2010, 10:34 AM) That's rather sad, isn't it? To choose to live in fake happiness, and to not experience any true sadness. Ya living a life for many in the world is like this, always dream and hope for true happiness that will never came true... dreaming and hoping their believes will one day realize... and yet, the harsh truth will be with them until the day they stop "living" in this world... that is why many choose death over living... I'm not brave enough to choose death, so i choose fake happiness to deal with harsh truth, it's just a choice of life... who knows, maybe some day there really is true happiness waiting for humanity in the future... is it a little bit off topic?? hmm.... This post has been edited by ToNToRo: Jul 16 2010, 10:49 AM
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Jul 16 2010, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 16 2010, 10:52 AM) Nope. It's not off-topic because I'm handling it, LOL. I understand what you mean, but do you know that there are people who are happy even after accepting the truth? The truth may seem hard, but at least when you're happy, it's REAL happiness. That means there are no such thing as an easy way out in life by just being in denial in a fantasy world of fake joy. You have fight all the harshness in REAL life to achieve REAL happiness. Hahaha.. i'm actually wont dwell too deep into fake happiness and imagination.... if i do that, i wont even be working in a company for only 1k salary handling executive task... i do fight for my real happiness future, its just that sometime when i feel low and struggled i rather let myself dwell into those imagination for a while to calm myself, to relax a bit... sometime i even denying myself being in so denial and negative attitude... haha...
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