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wunpeng
post Jul 27 2012, 12:06 PM

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11 years car Proton Iswara
First 2 years, using Shell Helix 15W 40 (Don't know the grade )Semi
Feeling so so because it is new car

3- 10 Years
Switch to Nasa 10W 40 Semi (RM 80 - RM 105), Use 5W 30 Mineral (5 years) (RM 45 - RM 65), Switch back to 10W 40 Semi because of eating engine oil, Engine oil still drop so fast...

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Switch to Magna 10W 40 API SM/CF SEMI, really good feeling that I don't ever have before, Price also Cheap, only RM 90, Now using second bottle and buy a box of 6 bottle keep in workshop, One box only cost RM 80 per bottle...

I am a always travel guy, drive my car from new until now already 430K KM, last overhaul is 350K because of engine Cam damage due to heavy usage,

Overhaul change Cam, Cam Ring, Valve only service, Crank Shalf Ring, piston and piston ring remain because everything ok...

This post has been edited by wunpeng: Jul 27 2012, 12:10 PM
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post Jul 27 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(louyit @ Jul 27 2012, 01:43 PM)
wonder where can I get Shell Helix Ultra 5w-30 (not 5w-40), is it available in Malaysia?
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Actually Viscosity 30 is not suitable for Car engine with enough power except you are using Underpower engine, you may need Less Viscosity to make the car lighter, but it will harm your engine faster due to less protection...


Added on July 27, 2012, 2:48 pm
QUOTE(ultramaman @ Jul 27 2012, 12:35 PM)
you said engine oil eating. would  not that indicate a problem with your piston rings ? why not change them ?
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Engine oil eating got a lot of issue, sometimes is because of Valve ring, sometimes is because of Piston ..... If really go to check them, it may need a lot of cost.... Since everything is fine and the power of my car is ok, why do so much on checking the engine? Since My Engine use 11 years and running a lot already.... If the engine can last more millage, I will keep using it...

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post Jul 30 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(tanhks @ Jul 30 2012, 04:02 AM)
Can this full synthetic gear oil (SAE 75W-140) be use in Kancil.
Is this gear oil's viscosity too high for Kancil?
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At the moment am using pennzoil gear plus 80w-90.
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Normally gear oil for small car gear box only using Viscosity 90, those 140 use for Lorry, back Gear because it need more viscosity to protect the gear..
wunpeng
post Jul 31 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(wongtheboy92 @ Jul 31 2012, 11:37 AM)
Hi, sifu. Can myvi use 10W40 castrol oil? Or just stick back to 5w30. Thanks, all.
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Off Course Myvi can use 10W40 Castrol oil, but your car is 1.3 or 1000 CC engine? Want to try new brand oil? Cheap as well... can PM to know the detail..
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post Jul 31 2012, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(ulet @ Jul 31 2012, 02:57 PM)
stick back to 5w-30
by moving to 10w-40, ur FC consumption will be higher, engine less power and less protection.
the gap in myvi engine are designed for 5w-30 where 10w-40 will be thicker.
so possibility of some area not protected by the oil it higher because it cannot slip thru it.
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The Number behind is Viscosity, is not thin or thick... Please pay in mind of this... If you lap too much and not enough Viscosity for your engine oil, you engine will harm it self... The less Viscosity is giving to underpower engine especially Kancil and so on.. Why Turbo charge car use higher Viscosity engine oil is because it need more to protect especially in high RPM...

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post Jul 31 2012, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 31 2012, 03:56 PM)
from  a rough read (very long article, so glancing through/skipping and mainly focused on "zinc" keywords)

basically any car with catalytic converters and oxygen sensors (almost every modern cars? not my age old iswara though tongue.gif ) will face potential accelerated degradation with higher zinc additives.

however yeah, zinc is an additive that bonds to your engine parts and from a laymen description based on the article, it is a "sacrificial coating" to protect your engine parts.
which i supposed, is very essential for performance/race engines (as they have little to no regards towards the environment having cat cons removed, and/or having higher pollution with higher zinc additives.)

of course, at the end of the day it is up to the user/consumer to decide/judge. most importantly, BE AWARE of what one is pouring into their cars, what additives/contents does what and so forth.

for my case, without technicalities, i still choose liqui moly over torco for my main iswara car because i like the engine smoothness over torco's performance in the higher rev ranges. and hey, more protection towards the car (in a sense) and environment knowing that liqui moly mos2 semi syn as the API donut while torco tr5 doesnt? biggrin.gif

thinking of switching over to liqui moly (or other brand of oils) for the nissan sentra too since it's not like im gonna race with it and i BARELY drive it myself (although when i do i friggin like to floor it rofl)
i believe it comes with a cat con too and perhaps it is wiser to use a lower zinc additive engine oil in the long run eh?
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Totally Agree on you... Environment also important for all or us especially we and our children still stay in the earth..


Added on July 31, 2012, 5:48 pm
QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Jul 31 2012, 03:42 PM)
Rather interesting reply from Torco and a lot will think, wow.. definitely good stuff. Then again, if you do a little research into why API has been reducing the amount of zinc in the engine oil, you will understand why Torco can't get the API donut.

Check this link to know why API standards have been reducing the zinc content.

http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/0803sr...il/viewall.html


Added on July 31, 2012, 3:46 pm
Viscosity does not translate into protection. Film strength provides the protection from shearing but there is no film strength indicator. Viscosity just means the fluids resistances to flow which is another meaning for being thick or thin. A lower viscosity number does not always mean lower protection.
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I understand Viscosity is not translate into protection, but if we use too low viscosity into a high RPM car, that car will be harm without enough engine oil protect base on the viscosity... In another way to talk about this, if that car is drive very gentlement, RPM of the car hiking very slow and not more than 4K RPM, that's ok for lower Viscosity, but if it over it, viscosity will be very important...

In my oppinion, while you feel the car powerfull (In Low Viscosity), you won't drive gentle anymore, but if your feel the car low power (In Higher Viscosity), you will drive gentle... I don't know you agree or not...

Sorry for the broken english, Chinese people, not very familiar in English explaination..

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post Aug 1 2012, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 31 2012, 11:55 PM)
you do realize that most torco racing oils are in xw20/xw30 right? aka low viscosity? and when it comes to racing, i dont think people will be driving "gentleMANLY" right?

your english aside, the thing with engine oils or just general facts is that, they aren't based on "feeling". oil's film strength (and additives, among others) is what determines the protection of your engine. NOT viscosity. your "FEELINGS" of driving gentlemanly or not in a car has nothing to do with science.
in other words, you've totally missed sleepwalker's points btw.
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I don't know what racing car using on their engine oil, but I know that normally racing car don't care about protect the engine to last longer or short, the major purpose they want is win the competition...

For a consumer, you can add in any oil you want, even recycle oil also can... Problem is you want to protect your engine or not... for a company usage car, they want a low price maintain on they car because they are talking business.... low price maintain is not talking about can use cheap cheap oil which not giving protection on engine, since engine damage also cost high price for repairing....

I am a sales & Service person in IT solution, my car run around the malaysia, no matter where I go, I am not allow my car to break down in the half way because of the engine oil, gear oil and so on... Sometimes I will go to those place without any phone signal... I need to guarantee save oil for my car.... Of course price for maintain is a very high issue for me because I service my car once a month because it runs 5K KM...

If you ask me to choose Branded product, it is expensive for me, I can't afford, Recycle oil? No way...

wunpeng
post Aug 1 2012, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Aug 1 2012, 08:58 AM)
then try tesco semi syn engine oil lor. API rated also. i know many using it with no problems.
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Using Tesco Semi syn Engine oil should be no problem, since it is really cheap....... Just choose the suitable grade of oil for your car is ok then.
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post Aug 1 2012, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Aug 1 2012, 10:32 AM)
thanks for the advice.
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Still the same advice, whatever oil you use, did they responsible for the oil or not... We cannot guarantee the oil is no problem, but think wisely, if the oil make harm your engine and even worse, who will going to responsible for it..... Now you buy it from tesco, who will you need to find in that condition.... So think wisely...
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post Aug 1 2012, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Aug 1 2012, 10:44 AM)
wise words. so what oil u recommend ?
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Those oil certify by Professional Organization can use.
Those oil Exceed API can be use...
Problem is, the oil you buy is really the content of the brand....
This one hard to say.... The market now got a lot of pirated product... go for those product not famous, but certify one... keep the resit you buy the oil... if really got problem, still can find for check the issue...
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post Aug 3 2012, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Aug 3 2012, 05:12 AM)
still hoping for someone to explain those numbers...
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I think those number is represent to Standard of a oil, so you can see that, all the number is not going too much different... At the final still have to say, all must be in Original Content of the bottle, else you can't get the benefit for your car.
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post Aug 3 2012, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(wongtheboy92 @ Aug 3 2012, 03:34 PM)
I see. It seems that some myvi users prefer to use 10w40. Hi-Rev oil, anyone used before? How was it?
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I think those car on the road normally use Viscosity 40 oil, the different is just Fully, SEMI and Mineral and also the grade of the oil, Is SM or SN, I think Myvi at least need to use SM because it is design for Engine manufacture year 2010 or older engine. SL should be ok because it design for Engine Manufacture year 2004 or older. Since I don't know when did Myvi's Engine produce...
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post Aug 3 2012, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Aug 3 2012, 09:08 PM)
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Added on August 3, 2012, 9:19 pm

checking the service package that perodua has on their website.
http://www.perodua.com.my/service/service-...age/myvi-1300cc
shows that , they recommend a SL rated oil. since the price is only 75 bucks, i would assume its mineral .
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Don't you think that SL rated oil is too old oil? Better use SM and above since SL only suitable for engine by year 2004 and older... SM is for Engine by year 2010 and older, if you found SN, sure you can go for it..

Last time I use SL for 5 years, when I switch to SM, I feel big different on my car... Now going to try Grade SN... should be more powerfull I think.

And Mineral oil SL grade sell for RM 75 is too expensive I think... Magna only selling RM 60 in 20W50 SM grade.
Better use SEMI for Myvi, it is more stable for the oil.
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post Aug 4 2012, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Aug 3 2012, 10:51 PM)
in eu, most of their semi syns are mostly still sl rated. according to http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...&Number=1594976
sl or sm rated doesnt effect the performance persay, they just reduce the amount of zddp ( anti wear addictives) to comply with emissions standards.( think about euro3, euro4 compliance and standards)
I suspect in your case, u feel better performance because of the switch from mineral oils ( which in this country is generally thicker) to semi syns( which are thinner oils) it has nothing to do with the api rating.

so your argument is invalid.
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I use Premium Mineral 5W 30 for 5 years, switch to 10W 40 SL Nxxx brand because of Engine keep reducing. Maybe the oil too thin... Just switch to 10W 40 SL feel that the car power reducing, maybe that's the meaning of you, Viscosity change from thinner to thicker, but is from Mineral to SEMI.... After that switch to Magna Brand 10W 40 SM grade, the power is coming back, even compare to 5W30, it is better.... I will going to try this Magna Brand SN Grade next service... Will giving the general feedback regarding that...

I choose this brand is because it is the cheapest compare to I use before and also I saw in the market, SEMI 10W40 SN/GF5. You won't get such grade in only RM 90 in the market... Except those fake oil or fake bottle.
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post Aug 4 2012, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 4 2012, 09:19 AM)
5W30. It has to be either Fully Synthetic or Semi Synthetic. Any 5W30 made from Mineral is potentially damaging to your engine so I would advise not using it.

On the other hand, 10w30 made from Mineral is perfectly fine.
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Nasa got Mineral Oil in 5W30... I use it because it is cheap and it is worth for my car, I service it once a month as it reach 5K KM already.
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post Aug 4 2012, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(wongtheboy92 @ Aug 3 2012, 04:36 PM)
I see. You've got good knowledge about engine lubricants. So, stick up with 5W30 better? is Catrol 10W40 magnatec a good oil for myvi leh? anyone still using them?
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If you are a normall user, you can go to Viscosity 30, I mean you didn't rev up so much for your car, else better use a Viscosity 40 oil... API Grade find the latest one, now is SN...
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post Aug 6 2012, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(wongtheboy92 @ Aug 4 2012, 12:35 PM)
API SN is for semi-synthetic or for mineral? or it just depends, guys?
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Now SN Grade only have in SEMI and Fully.
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post Aug 6 2012, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(wongtheboy92 @ Aug 6 2012, 10:50 AM)
API SM or API SN? I know SN is newer, but putting API SM oil will not cause harm right?
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is API SM and API SN.. Got Put API normally won't harm engine...
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post Aug 7 2012, 08:58 AM

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Added on August 6, 2012, 4:50 pmalso for race /highly stress engine??

If you want to find a engine oil really suitable for racing car for the race, I think API won't be really suitable since it is design for Car on the road and also environment friendly...



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post Aug 7 2012, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(pumpman @ Aug 7 2012, 12:13 PM)
i am using this "CI-4 categories precede SM or SL"
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You are using Diesel Engine Specified Engine oil for your car? You car is Diesel engine or Petrol Engine?

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