I guess the Shell pure based oil is a Group 3 high quality oil.. Still a far fetch from their Polyalphaolifin (PAO) Group 4 based oil.

Go wiki on motor oil

If you're lazy, it's group 5

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011/11/pearl-20111124.html

Shell GTL base oil is categorized under API Group III.

a good guess is that it was the old formulation that mixed regular crude oil base stocks in it... because:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil


additionally, shell x pennzoil natural gas/pureplus EO is just released this year, and shell had it's official launch in Malaysia just April 2 months ago: http://paultan.org/2014/04/11/new-shell-he...ultra-launched/
while previous Shell GTL/natural gas EO are not really marketed much (at least i don't think i've heard of it)

GTL is group III, http://www.petrotechsociety.org/Presentati...0Srivastava.pdf

In BITog, pennzoil themself claim is group III http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/pennzoil-q-a/

Please google Google API 1509 appendix E

This Shell EO formulation is a bit confusing.. Some claim it to be Group III and some Group V. It does seems logical as explained by Quazacolt that GTL is Group V. (Gas to Liquid).

I've heard most Group V synthetics cannot be mix with regular engine oil especially synthetic ester. Will this GTL carry on the same concept?

GTL is Group III.

Even if you insists that it falls into API Group V, that does not make fantastically superior than other base oil.

GTL / Fischer–Tropsch is just a cost effective process that can yield higher saturation on base oil, FYI there are other base oil which has higher saturation than Shell GTL base oil.

Please do not think that Group V is better than Group IV and III, Each Group (III, IV and V) has its pros and cons, it all depends what the lubricant engineer is trying to achieve and balance the pros and cons of each Group's base oil with blending of different add pack.

Speaking of oil...does anyone knows what oil Honda/Toyota use for their SC? They claimed Honda/Toyota oil...i bet they OEM from one of the big boys....anyone knows? I am just curious.

Toyota oil: made by UMW Lubetech in Shah Alam
Honda Oil: made by Eneos Singapore

Thanks....i didn't know UMW made engine oil also...hmm...do they sell their Engineoil and market as some other brand?

http://www.api.org/certification-programs/...itionfinal.ashx this? need to download unfortunately.

but hey if pennzoil themselves want to be conservative (going no group 3+ ) and all that's fine by me and i stand corrected
i am merely citing wikipedia that group 5 (which included GTL) as a catch all as group 3 is for petroleum base stocks.

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oh found it
http://www.api.org/certification-programs/...V-09-01-11.ashx


pennzoil oh pennzoil lol...
supposedly their GTL base stock is so damn pure (from their claim anyways), they easily exceeded group III which is as what they claimed too (which there are no group III+ available)

so as a definition defined by the API (which wiki probably cited from), V still fits as a catch all.

from the same documentation, ctrl + f does not ping any GTL/liquid/gas keywords, or probably i am looking it wrong.

sorry not a lot of time to read through the whole documentation during office so maybe i'll go through it thoroughly at home. (28 pages )

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 10 2014, 02:35 PM

highly agree, every EO base stocks have it's pros and cons (going for lunch now so maybe later i'll dig some info up to share, or you guys can do the honors ) even for PAO/ester themselves have cons (some examples: piston ring/seals swelling)

ultimately it still comes down to the actual blending, and additives that's been used.
and of course some actual user feedback/UOA lab tests etc would be the absolute best way to determine how good an EO is

http://www.umw-oilgas.com/

I think the more relevant website should be: http://lubetech.my/the-company/primary-product-range

oo thanks! and eh, they distro for local pennzoil?

They are licensed to manufacture and market lubricant using brand name Pennzoil.

And also Repsol

even manufacturing? now that's new to me

so is this like how our local shell EO are compared to the shell EO from say, tesco which are supposedly parallel imported from euro?

It is difficult to comment the differences of manufacturing, but one has to take note that there is no commitment that the localised production of one specific brand will follow the principle in home country strictly on certain areas, namely, 1) Machinery/equipments used, 2) Blending method and control parameters, 3) Raw materials.

Yeap well said