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 -+♦+- LYN OFFICIAL PROTON PERSONA THREAD V8 -+♦+-, Our Pride N' Joy

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bex9432
post Jul 16 2010, 08:19 PM

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how quiet our cabin are compare other car...

my car sound insulation quite good but the engine sound quite loud when drive >120kmh..
im thinking to do sound proofing.. is it worth it?

p/s: anybody have interior pic during dark which we switch on the lamp... mine only orange colour at radio, aircond panel and auto gear panel.. only meter panel get white n red color... i thought persona auto gear for N should be green

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post Jul 17 2010, 09:32 PM

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my persona e not yet top speed... takutttt.. biggrin.gif

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still not satisfied with noise insulation... the engine noise too loud when drive >120kmh...

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post Jul 18 2010, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(vson @ Jul 18 2010, 12:38 PM)
for those who have ICM "eeee" sound... i got my PE 3rd May and notice about it... but i didn't bother, until now, the sound had vanish.
the other thing is the drum brake got "dak dak dak" sound when braking... after you run in the brake pad, the sound will vanish too...

give your car some time to run in and all the sound will vanish away...

but till now still have one sound which is the metal knocking sound when cornering uneven road... pending for my second service to install the ori valve thing...


Added on July 18, 2010, 12:44 pmfor those who still have doubt about Persona Elegance...

well, i just want to share something with you. My brother in law just taken his new Vios. he is having problem on the wheel lower arm, he claim that got sound coming out...

One of my LC friend too have problem with his new vios, morning very hard to start his car, seem that the electronic in his car got problem and had to leave the car at the service center to check.

the new honda city too have problem, as well as kia and other cars...

i think proton have so far come out a better car - persona, compared with the previous models. it is up to you all the judge.
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i do believe proton can make or already made a quality car...
the problem is their response really slow when to overcome problem that appear when the car already on road..
which many of us complaint about... buzzz sound at dashboard, knocking sound.. etc...
i owning PE highline, and already got a car... but after 8 days when my car should be delivered ,car already at showroom but send back to SC due but facing alarm problem... u see.. taking 8 days just to solve alarm problem...

like the buzz sound at dashboard... its already spread out widely in internet and yet, proton still delivered the car which same faulty buzz sound that easyly fixed (just change ICM relay).. why they not hired somebody just to red rumours in internet n report to top management so they can take fast action... blush.gif


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post Jul 19 2010, 12:32 AM

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previously..
before thinking to opt persona...
i already list down few car in mind...

1) kia forte,
2) honda civic fd
3) honda city
4) nissan sylphy
5) camry 2.0
... no dugong as it really ugly and wasting my money only..

However, my leader use "will breakdown" wira...
my boss use myvi..
and my operation manager use Avanza... doh.gif
if not mistaken, my operation manager salary > RM15k and yet only drive avanza..

so me to use above car... lol... malula to buy better car..
opt for persona as everybody know this is 'rakyat marhaen' car...

however... my tech using honda fd2, suzuki swift and one using accord... so kaya la tech nowadays
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post Jul 20 2010, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(khtee @ Jul 20 2010, 10:20 AM)
Just got my car PE smile.gif H-Line Black

Everything in the car... was rather ok... except for
1) HUGE BUBBLES at side windows (had them tore off and replaced with security tint though)
2) Back seat.. couldnt lock...
3) Back-left side door.. couldnt shut that well like wat others have mentioned...
4) The rubber at the right roof seems like it was sticked well in place

besides that...everything else seems to be rather ok.
Btw.. did some research (more to googling ) on the ICM relay "eeeee" sound, seems like it also exist in cars like BMW also... but well.. mine....only heard it once when was getting the car.. havent heard since then
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lol... i also have same problem with no 3...
anybody have solution...

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post Jul 21 2010, 08:57 AM

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guys..

need confirmation...
our persona wiper control stick when setting at first level (on/off run)..
we cant adjust the timing like waja... even the highline also cant adjust...
or its only me... sad.gif
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post Jul 23 2010, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(crashoverride @ Jul 23 2010, 12:42 AM)
You are my idol d la. Hahahaha. So geng.

Anyway, I found out that my PE always have this "tak....... tak....... tak....." sound after i turned off the engine and get out.
Also the fan will start turning again suddenly around 5 mins after i turn off engine, sound for 1 or 2 mins then turn off again. -.-
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u're lucky ur fan turning after 5 min.. mine no turning anymore unless i drive for a long journey.. tongue.gif

'tak.. tak.. tak... sound is normal when metal cooling...
even my old waja have that and still can achieve 180kmh .. for info.. my 2002 waja auto...

but now using persona e high line... max speed right now 170kmh.. scare to go higher.. sweat.gif


Added on July 23, 2010, 8:35 am
QUOTE(waichee88 @ Jul 22 2010, 06:39 PM)
My Elegance M Line MT only clocked 300KM for the 1st full tank of petrol. Sometimes I do feel that the car is lack of power and my right leg need to step hard for the car to move. Is it the clutch  too high or the ECU problem or my driving skill? I do not encounter such problem driving my old Proton Iswara though.
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just check my car... near 1/4 level from above and mine clock 415km...
maybe can get 450km at 1/4 level..
right now... i already travel 2012km.... blush.gif

its not lack of power..
it only that u're not familiar with drive by wire..
i also face same problem like u before..
now after 2k, i already can estimate when the gear may change with pedal control.. although still not familiar yet
but i can feel the power.. just need to know the power band

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post Jul 26 2010, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(muslayer @ Jul 26 2010, 07:49 AM)
I ask this erictioh check for me when install the VS from him.  You can read out his explanation here

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1495749
Hope they recall the elegance batch and replace the ECU if solved...Always buy 2nd batch things.
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how do we know which batch consider 2nd batch...
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post Jul 27 2010, 08:58 PM

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I pump

front 220~230kpa
rear 200~210kpa


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post Jul 30 2010, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(khtee @ Jul 30 2010, 07:24 PM)
Ignition Control Module .... they have it in all cars these days smile.gif try to google about it tongue.gif
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its base on 3 relays which i believe dont have enough power.. slighly lower from needed..

thats during my electronic project which show same symptom if not enough power...
the contact inside relay run 1 point to another point rapidly instead should be only 1 point when energized..
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post Jul 30 2010, 11:22 PM

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Hi...

Is there anything we can do to improve sound insulation for our PE...
I just read review of Autofoam but if not mistaken out PE also fill with that.. Not sure which pillar or chassis
engine noise level I can say quite loud when drive above 120kmh.. my old 2002 waja better than that(but road noise... doh.gif )
thinking to opt bitumen (raamat maybe) in the next project at my 4 doors..
Not sure its already install or not but base on my waja.. its not...
after install it can feel improvement especially when we passing lorry / 2 strokes motorcycle at highway

any idea?
for those who already done sound insulation (for persona only).. can share with me?..
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Added on July 30, 2010, 11:35 pm
QUOTE(khtee @ Jul 30 2010, 09:34 PM)
shouldnt be dont have enuff power i guess...?? that the whole point of using relay in the first place right??lower power switch high power???  rclxub.gif
doubt proton made this module themselves.. most likely purchased industry grade units from some vendors ??
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we need to understand basic of relay first...
basicly its just the switch with 1 way in and 2 ways out...
the problem not about giving the high power flow... but to do switching (energize the magnet) there are power needed and what I encounter during my project, i give slightly lower than needed (slightly lower than min) and the buzzing sound happen.. and its sound really like what we encounter at our persona... still high power will flow but like on/off...
we will not feel that as it really fast and voltage drop will not notice..

from the ICM board that SC show me, I can see 3 relays... and im sure its from 3rd parties...
still no news how proton to solve it..

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post Jul 31 2010, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(seng12345 @ Jul 31 2010, 02:16 PM)
is it normal for it if start in morning the needle at lowest..?
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yup..
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post Aug 4 2010, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(wilsonjack228 @ Aug 4 2010, 05:25 AM)
oh , that means got 3 unsolved problems?

1. sound from power steering when turning
2. front knocking sound
3. ICM relay

Solution :
1: Orifice valve installation at power steering
2: no solution
3: no solution

so the front knocking sound is generated from which part of the car ? the absorbers ? hmm.gif
this only happens in PE or the old persona ?
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knocking sound also happen to waja.. mine 2002 auto..
3 month ago i change my absorber link, bushes and absorber to GAB...
and suddenly.. the knocking sound gone... hmm.gif

now using PE high line..
not yet encaunter knocking sound...
but the eeeee sound is confirm...
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post Aug 8 2010, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Aug 8 2010, 10:03 PM)
the seatbelt indicator never lit up though

dunno what the purpose of its existence
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my seatbelt indicator lit up few second after i insert car key and switch on.. tongue.gif

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post Aug 11 2010, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(muslayer @ Aug 10 2010, 04:48 PM)
Believe to make u happy only. (Mentally)...mine best get 6.5l /KM
the truth is more than that...Hahahaha blush.gif
Persona very thirsty when the car have a lot start and stop. ( i mean go one place then turn off engine and later start again)
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check mine...

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but i dun believe also as after my calculation... i got 8.1l/100km... tongue.gif
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post Aug 11 2010, 10:54 PM

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my current FC with current mileage ... 3450km


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mmmm.. looks a bit better than my waja 2002 1.6A....
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post Aug 21 2010, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(dengwong @ Aug 21 2010, 08:07 PM)
is it means that even i din put on the seatbelt while driving it also wont appear?? only when start the engine baru tunjuk light awhile nia???
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yup... its just show awhile when u switch on...


Added on August 21, 2010, 8:34 pm
QUOTE(muslayer @ Aug 21 2010, 05:50 PM)
i think is for export model....not local car.
My M-Line manual 100km/h = 2900 rpm.. & 110 km/h = 3100 rpm
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mmm... mine PE H line
100 kmh ~ 2600rpm
110 kmh ~ 2900rpm
120kmh ~ 3100rpm...

did u change tyre series to 55?
ur car show like using 55 series tyre

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post Aug 23 2010, 03:38 AM

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QUOTE(naley @ Aug 22 2010, 08:15 PM)
very low?why? my car 100kmj is 3k rpm.. blink.gif
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QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Aug 22 2010, 09:00 PM)
your iafm or basic campro?
mine also 3k rpm at 110km/h (2.8k at 100km/h) for 2007 version tongue.gif
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like i said, check ur tyre size..
previously i drove waja with 55 series tyre...
at 3~3.1k .. my meter show 110kmh..
after change to 60series, at 3.1k rpm, reading show 120kmh...

currrent Persona Elegance using 60 series n if not mistaken, the old one use 55 series..
so u get what i mean...

mmm... mine PE H line
100 kmh ~ 2600rpm
110 kmh ~ 2900rpm
120kmh ~ 3100rpm...

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Added on August 23, 2010, 3:48 am
QUOTE(dengwong @ Aug 22 2010, 03:56 PM)
just recalculate the fc again.......is about rm0.24 per km...walao...mau pengsan....so far 100% city drive la.....maybe i not used to drive auto lo.....still need time to get used with it...
the back seat of my PE also not properly clip...i just hantam kuat kuat to it...then ok zor...hahaaha.....
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QUOTE(dengwong @ Aug 22 2010, 04:35 PM)
using ron95....about 13.3L/100km according to the digital meter la...will try ron97 later and see....sumhow my car still below 1000km la.....can ask for tuning when go for 1k service?? should i ask them to tune for me ar?does it help?
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they are trick that been teach by oldtimer for autos...
as u know our gearbox can learn the way we drive... spiritual or relax mode...
before we want to set this, we need to free the memory first with take out -ve battery connection a few second..
start running, u'll feel the gear change not smooth/not properly tune..
this is because, gearbox try to adapt ur way of driving..

take this opportunity to drive at highway at 90kmh so it can set for highway cruising purpose..
why 90kmh <--- recommended for manufacturer for low consumption

after it set, u may drive for city usage.. but few thing u have to take note...
pickup feel slower due u set ur gearbox for cruising purpose
u'll find that gear change at lower rpm...
if u set for spiritual drive... hantam kaw2..
after it adapt, ur gear change will change at higher rpm...

but the best way, skinning ur leg... biggrin.gif

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post Aug 25 2010, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(jinshan7 @ Aug 24 2010, 04:34 PM)
Lol.. I try to be as gentle as possible with the accelerations but i still clock up 9.2.. thanks for the info!
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reset ur fc reading by push A button till it clear...
then drive as normal..
u'll see ur average fc after drive a while...
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