Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Would you spend 400k on your tertiary education, and be heavily indebted after that?

views
     
feynman
post May 27 2010, 03:32 PM

Look at all my stars!!
Group Icon
Elite
4,781 posts

Joined: Dec 2004
Lemme see....Where do I start?

Let's start with the choice between UCL and NUS. I know what you mean by wanting to have a western education and the experience that you will get. NUS no matter how good will not bring that set of experience. The way one thinks will be different too. I know, I can see how myself has changed. I sometimes think if my experience would have been different if I went to HK or Singapore for my undergrad, I guess I wouldn't know.

UCL is a great school but nevertheless not the best, certainly not something that deserves an arm and a leg. If it was LSE, then you might be able to justify spending RM400k. UCL is not Stanford or UPenn or Chicago. Having a first degree from UCL will not guarantee you a job in the UK even if you come out tops in your program. Coupled with the fact that immigration is strictly enforced, you might just find yourself back in Asia. If you are lucky a job in HK or Singapore otherwise, Malaysia. Judging from that, this is not a wise investment decision.

NUS doesn't measure up to UCL in many aspects but it certainly is a catch when it comes to costs. A first degree is the same regardless of where you go barring Harvard, Princeton, Yale yadda yadda. Those schools are not the same in the sense that even if you are the best, you might not necessarily get in. They are in a different universe altogether. Because the differences between the BSc's from NUS and UCL are minimal, there is really no point in spending that sum of money.

At this juncture, you wouldn't know if economics is your cup of tea. You are drawn to it now but can you say with certainty that 3 years from now, you will have the exact same feelings about economics? Imagine you went to UCL and you realised that economics is not something that you like after your first year, instead finance is something that interests you. But you have already piled up RM100k of debt and to switch courses will only increase the debt but to continue in a program in which you have diminishing interest will only spell torture for the remaining 2 years. Why make yourself poor and miserable? If you went to NUS and the exact thing happens to you, you would probably incur a lower cost no matter what you do.

If it turns out that you are an economics beast, then even if you went to NUS, you will definitely get into say Chicago or LSE for your MSc and or PhD.

From a cost-benefit point of view, NUS is a better choice. Given the financial situation that you are in.


feynman
post May 28 2010, 12:10 PM

Look at all my stars!!
Group Icon
Elite
4,781 posts

Joined: Dec 2004
QUOTE(ccm123 @ May 28 2010, 11:31 AM)
You mentioned a great point over here, but I'm the kind of person who will finish what I've started, so switching of course would be unlikely unless I have a dire need to do so. Anyway I have decided to head to NUS at the moment, unless I have been offered a scholarship to study there smile.gif

Thanks for the opinion and advices everybody  smile.gif So, until miracle happens!
*
You can never be too sure. University is a different ball game.

Don't worry, you have not made a wrong decision. Look forward to it, go with an open mind. You will never know what might be heading your way. I certainly did not expect to pick up a language. You will be close to home, food is good ,weather is good.
feynman
post May 29 2010, 03:16 AM

Look at all my stars!!
Group Icon
Elite
4,781 posts

Joined: Dec 2004
QUOTE(ccm123 @ May 28 2010, 06:50 PM)
I get what u mean biggrin.gif And did I tell you how much I appreciate it?

Anyway, I presume you're currently studying abroad as well? Speaking of weather, part of the reason I wanted to go UK is also due to the weather, coming out someone who've never experienced winter/snow before, but don't get me wrong. I didn't choose UK just because I want to be in a four season country. It's just part of the minor reasons XD
*
Fair enough.

You don't go to the UK for snow. London doesn't have any snow in normal circumstances. If you want snow you have to go to Canada and Scandinavia. Those places really snow. Avoid Australia too. A friend of mine in Melbourne remarked, I don't know why I came to Australia, it doesn't feel like studying overseas, no snow and all asians........Swanston street is full of Asians........


feynman
post May 30 2010, 01:53 AM

Look at all my stars!!
Group Icon
Elite
4,781 posts

Joined: Dec 2004
QUOTE(katana18 @ May 29 2010, 10:03 PM)
Dear thread starter, I can identify with your problem.

I was in the same position: I have secured offers from Drake University (Iowa, USA) & Uni of Waterloo (Canada) to complete my degree in Actuarial Science. I am currently in my last semester of the American Degree Transfer Program, and have had to make the same decision that you are making now.

I prepared for the most PROBABLE outcome, which happens to be Drake. The reasons are financial:
(i) Drake is cheaper (USD35k/year), while Waterloo is expensive (CDN32k/year)
(ii) Drake requires a further 2 years of study, while Waterloo requires 2.5, more likely 3.
(iii) Drake provides scholarship (almost USD9k/year), while Waterloo makes no such offer.

However, Waterloo is to me what UCL is to you. This is because Waterloo has a better program, is more highly regarded, and provides me with the opportunity to work full-time during the summers. But I cannot, in good conscience, take up Waterloo's offer unless I am able to receive JPA or some other form of financial assistance. I assume you intend to try for the "biasiswa ivy league dan setara" loan from JPA.

Thus, my advice to you is to prepare for the worst possible outcome. IF you secure the first loan, but not the other, can you complete your studies? If you run short on cash, is part-time work going to cover it? If, God forbid, some emergency arises that requires you to spend say RM10k, are there people (wealthy relatives) you can turn to?
We all aspire to be the best, and sometimes we are. So don't feel discouraged if you don't make it to your dream school. Hell, one day one of us just may end up teaching there.

Best.

EDIT: Everyone here is making an issue of study loan debt, but I don't believe you should be too concerned. I would be much more concerned about OBTAINING the loan in the first place. If you feel that you can justifiably default on the loan if you simply can't repay it, then I certainly will not blame you.
*
QUOTE(Syd G @ May 29 2010, 10:10 PM)
@katana18
Er.. its quite different IMHO. The difference between Drake and Waterloo aint 400k.

Being offtopic, I'd take Waterloo due to Canada's more lenient working permission and ability to apply for PR upon graduation smile.gif
*
That is true.

Coming out of UW with a quantitative degree makes it easier to get a job in Canada. Canada is not the UK, the rules are not strict. All paper work.
feynman
post Jun 2 2010, 10:37 PM

Look at all my stars!!
Group Icon
Elite
4,781 posts

Joined: Dec 2004
QUOTE(ccm123 @ Jun 2 2010, 09:25 PM)
Actually guys, sorry for digging out this thread. But I have another situation currently. I've just received an offer from Uni. of Melbourne for a 100% tuition fee remission, but before this I have decided to head to NUS.

My problem are as of below;
1) High living expenses. Melbourne is not cheap to live in, and it would require an annual expenses of about $15000. But lucky for me, I have an aunt who stays there and maybe I can move in with her, so that I could save up for accommodation, so after deducting that, roughly how much do I still have to fork out?

2) Would you choose NUS over Uni. of Melb? Btw, I was offered to do Commerce in Melbourne uni.

3) What are the job opportunities in Melbourne like? Is it really as bad if compared to UK?

Opinions and ideas are welcomed smile.gif
*
If you can save a big chunk of money by going to Melbourne, then go. After all, it gives you an opportunity to experience a different culture.......if and only if you seize the opportunity.

If you aunt agrees of housing you, then I'll estimate $700 would be enough for a month. However, you might want you privacy and living with a relative when you're at university doesn't work out most of the time. E.g bringing a girl home, coming back late etc.....

Jobs down there are as bad as the UK. Not that you are bad but the system prevents people like us from seeking jobs. So don't bank in on anything.

This post has been edited by feynman: Jun 2 2010, 10:38 PM

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0146sec    0.75    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 15th December 2025 - 11:10 PM