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post Nov 1 2010, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 1 2010, 03:53 PM)
Hmm, I think I have to thank everyone here for your constructive viewpoint as it is important and good to highlight the things that both stevanistelrooy and vapeace. We need those ideas for us to move on.

Personally, before this, management does not even care about SRC. Thats what SRC campaign was all about. It was done aggressively to tell the management not to implement things without informing SRC and students.
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so you used and manipulated students with these petitions, drama, etc just so that the management care about the SRC? way to go..


Added on November 1, 2010, 3:59 pm
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Added on November 1, 2010, 3:57 pmwhat I am asking is very simple. Students should attend the session with management and hear out first before jumping to conclusion...
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and why SRC never think objectively first before rallying all the students, creating distress etc?

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so SRC jumped the gun
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post Nov 1 2010, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 1 2010, 04:04 PM)
the campaign was to tell the new students that there were an old policy before and they can compare..


Added on November 1, 2010, 4:04 pmso, we didn't jump the gun.. we became the gun
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so SRC became the gun and misfired? the campaign was not to tell the students, but to spead mass distress because it was not done in a proper way. and also, quoting from you, that campaign was all about wanting the management to care about the SRC. it's all clear, aint it?
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post Nov 2 2010, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Nov 2 2010, 02:04 PM)
It's a catch-22 situation. If there's no unity among students through SRC then MMU is free to implement whatever they want - I'm sure you dont want that to happen.
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this doesnt hold true in mmu where SRC is a proxy. so with or without SRC, no difference actually. maybe students just need their help in society and club matters tongue.gif students dont see SRC as prefects either. students are only putting expectations because SRC has been gungho about this whole thing and rallied the students, but unfortunately, the SRC has no objective nor stand and use students for own benefits. in other words, they are manipulating the students.

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post Nov 2 2010, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Nov 2 2010, 02:34 PM)
How many of u guys actually voted during the election?
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i am not eligible to vote. i complained to STAD officers on duty when the election process was making lots of noise outside the lecture hall tongue.gif
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post Nov 2 2010, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Nov 2 2010, 03:54 PM)
I rest my case wink.gif
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the thing is, they came and created unnecessary distress smile.gif
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post Nov 3 2010, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(stevanistelrooy @ Nov 3 2010, 12:59 AM)
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Dear Gavin,

The comment shows that you does not care on future after all that have been commented.

SRC MUST look beyond not scoped to current!
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simply said, once the src knows that they are not affected, their stance has changed
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post Nov 4 2010, 11:25 AM

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If you have been following my posts, you will know that I have been very consistent in my stand. When I criticize the src, it is always related to the way they handled the matter. They have no idea what they are doing and created a big hoo haa. They only tells the student certain points and fail to inform trhe important ones, which created alot of distress and anti-mmu emotions. They know by playing to this, they will get the students support. in other words, they use, manipulate and exploit this for their own gain. Even the president has admitted that the whole campaign is attract the attention of the management to care for src, dont you read that? And now, you can see their stance has changed, all the students been played. and yet, they just push over the responsibilty to the management even though they started the whole mess because they are not affected by it no more. Just take a walk to the SRC room and see what they are doing over there *wink*

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maybe you have this view because you dont know what is happening or what has happened. so i understand where you come from. but for me, i am well informed, and made my comments based on them ;-)
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post Nov 5 2010, 11:58 AM

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Nah, the elusive answer, the ultimate goal of SRC..drum roll....taadaaaa!!

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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 6 2010, 03:21 AM)
Thats why I am here.. If you think I am wrong, justify then. After all, name me other SRC presidents that have been sticking their head in this forum and announcing things via networks.. I am here because I care. I want to know what others think. As simple as that..
i am interested in this statement. are you saying that you are the best of all president? fyi, not all students use facebook and even not all students use this forum. but unfortunately, there is NO other avenue for students to reach to SRC. going to the SRC office, you will just see bunch of clowns goofing around there. You can even find cronies of SRC reps there abusing the facilities. and from what i have seen, SRC is very disorganized. For example, they cant even relay a simple message to another src member if he or she was not in the src room. or probably, to them it is not important. i dare you to make the src office restricted to src members only, that would be a good start.
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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 6 2010, 06:36 PM)
Of course I am not saying that I am the best of SRC President. My point is I took initiative in getting more feedback from students.

And as for the SRC Exco not being in SRC Room, I frankly have to admit as is SRC member who did not come for duty.

Making announcements and clarification are not best used in networking places. But is one of the best way to get feedback and quick notification. Even SRC did our booth and not many turnups.. If I were to compare the amount of complaints and comments I got from Facebook, it would be more than exco's opening booths..

Exco's did do their part. But students just dont come. On the other hand, I expect SRC to come down and see students more often than sticking themselves in the room. I have worked my way around SRC and I had personally faced quite a number of comments and criticism. But look, no one is perfect. And is human's nature to point people's mistake instead of highlighting the previous deeds that was good.

No matter where SRC goes, there are always people who say we are just not good enough. In Asia, people like to compare. As in how we are being brought up.  Parents compare their kids with their neighbors kid. So, living our lives until now, there are always people criticizing. Back to SRC, is students who always criticize. But I think is good as the criticism carry us back on track.

To make it short, people just like to point work by word or statement by statement made. What we do are always wrong and never right. If you think that you are one of them, tell you what.. Why not joining SRC and know the system. Then you will know what I mean.. Deal with students and management. Then you will see how "beautiful" the "system" in MMU. I had spend nearly my entire stay in MMU changing the system.. SRC is useless without students. So, have faith. Faith as in not only to believe in us, but to support us.

Every implementation has their own reason. IT fees was imposed in 2008 as management says is best to upgrade the bandwidth. I do agree with the implementation, but not now. There does not seemed to be any changes after that. During that time, when SRC fight, merely 100 people came.

SRC and students need to work together. We need your support...
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I cant help to notice that you are yearning for respect and praises from us. Do you want a bouquet of roses too? Why would I want to join SRC? What I have contributed as an individual is far more than the collective effort of the whole SRC members, yes you can quote me on this. And no, i dont go harping on what i have done nor solicit any praises. What makes you think I have not dealt with students and the management before, oh wait, maybe it's your 'i am the best' attitude that is surfacing again. Let me repeat again, just in case you have not read my previous comments. I criticize the way SRC handled this matter in terms of its methodology and approach, and ultimately created distress among the students. Make your stand, do you agree or do you not agree with me?




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post Nov 6 2010, 10:38 PM

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You are wrong. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Period.
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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 6 2010, 10:41 PM)
Doing things wrong means learning. Rome was not build in a day. Baby will fall when it started to learn how to walk. So, making mistakes is part of life. What is important is learn from the mistakes.
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An irresponsible person is likely to equate doing things wrong with learning in this context. It is always easy to say learn from mistakes but what is the implication of the wrong doings to the rest? Rome was not build in a day, but it crumbled under the weight of it's lust and gluttony. What is important is learn from the mistakes, but who is cleaning up the mess? On the other hand, you never admit your mistakes until being pressed. So what have you learn here? smile.gif
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post Nov 7 2010, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 6 2010, 11:20 PM)
What have I learned? Haha, admit the mistakes in public before being pushed? does that relieves you? well, we have war to fight out there.. No point fighting in here... Right.. And what difference does it make? why not tell the country's senator/dewan rakyat/menteri/perdana menteri to apologize for their mistakes. And who clean up for them?

it's almost pointless and come on, move on. Ur stuck behind..move on... "some" of your comments are rational. But as time goes, it doesn't seemed so. Since you hate mmu so much, wonder why are you still there. There are always more option.. (utar). Mind you, you will be graduating with MMU's name on it. I you challenge me so much eh? why not you tell your potential employer about how bad is MMU. Or will you be telling how good are you and how bad is MMU..

Look at what you are wearing before criticizing other's attire.


Added on November 6, 2010, 11:53 pmsince SRC made the mess, src is going to clean in.. Fair...
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someone is getting very defensive i see. well, this is what i expect from you exactly smile.gif why compare with those politicians? are you saying you are just a politician too? and while on it, why compare with the malaysian scene? why not compare with uk or japan where they resigned when they have failed. when are you going to resign?

you have a problem in comprehending statement. can you point out any statement about me saying hating MMU, but on the other hand, yes i am totally against the SRC. Funny that you would mention utar, seems like it is your 'favourite' place. as usual, you do not have a point and run away from the topic and start harping about potential employer etc.

the src has failed and you as the president is solely responsible. dont put the blame on others. dont beg for respect. dont plead for faith. clean up the mess and do it properly, not just sweeping under the carpet. you are slowly exposing you real face as the president and what src is alll about.

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post Nov 7 2010, 10:47 PM

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gavin gavin, the more you speak, the more arrogant you sound..the more you try to defend, the more desperate you sound wink.gif

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post Nov 8 2010, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 7 2010, 11:01 PM)
All the best.. for future reference.. awesome..


Added on November 7, 2010, 11:03 pm
and check previous post and see who started the arrogance.
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sending all those comments gathered here, in fb, etc to STAD would be too easy for me, no? and well, let me put it this way, i can be arrogant because i dont beg for support nor plead for faith and most importantly, i dont screw up wink.gif

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Let me point out one thing. SRC INCITE distress among students and failed to provide full information. And for this alone, SRC is guilty beyond any doubt.

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post Nov 8 2010, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 8 2010, 12:21 AM)
thank you for your comment but I just agree that SRC did create distress among students. period
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LOL, quote for future reference again tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 8 2010, 12:29 AM)
Yeap, already started last semester. After senate approve it, then only there was a memo being sent around staffs. Did you ever see new implementation posted in bulletin that often? Even the finance payment is not being uploaded in bulletin last trimester. SRC got to know during our final week of our holidays.


Added on November 8, 2010, 12:31 am
Ok.. anyway, this thread wont be deleted or removed. Remarks and information are provided/given as a forum-er. Period.
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haha, playing the political game well i see. so all the comments made here and in fb are not in your capacity as president of src? the rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper
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QUOTE(gavinfernando @ Nov 8 2010, 12:50 AM)
It was imposed but not enforced. Especially the finance policy. And it was enforced this trimester. That is when we got to know about the new implementation. We not informed when it was imposed as well.

So, that's why I said that what you had mentioned earlier that SRC knows about this, was wrong.


Added on November 8, 2010, 12:52 am

meet me in person and if the words come from my mouth, that is the President of SRC. Anyone would have created any accounts right? So, want to know, why not come over and see me. My cell is 0166588220. Instead of blasting on your keyboard, why not see me in person. I would be more than happy though.
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now that you have planted some doubts about your real identity in this forum, what about those comments in fb? make it clear so that everyone knows.
like i said, it's all about integrity or in your case, the lack of it.

i prefer using black and white communications for obvious reasons. Meeting you would not solve the distress that you have created amoong the students, right? so why would i waste my time unless you have very important matters to be said.

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