vapeace, if it is ppossible, can you pm me your source, the assistant lecturer and lecturer ? if it is possible la

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Nov 9 2010, 12:51 AM

Yea, PTPTN problem still have not yet settle. Owh, I would like to take this chance to inform.

I was in the Quality council the other day and I discussed on the issue of mechanical students who are not able to get PTPTN loan due to accreditation. hence, Prof Zaharin agreed that affected students are allowed to:

1) Sit for exam
2) View Results
3) Course registration

by paying a minimum amount of fee. However, if students are unable to pay up, can write appeal letter addressing to Prof.Zaharin.

Students are allowed to meet Credit management Unit (CMU)

Im from FIST so the 7 subject and the new fees structure thing wont affect me?

even if it wont affect me if there is a protest at Malacca i would be glad to join. The new policy is just bullshit.

sound very suspicious

then i wont, just to say i know him/her because my frend know him/her

anyway, got class on Thursday 4 to 7pm, anyone could help me inform about the meeting progress ?

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 9 2010, 12:55 AM

haha ok, suddenly feel like i am actually one of your source lol *inception*

The whole course is counted. for example, marketing management is RM48,000 (just example because is not that expensive). So, it consist all subjects in the course structure. So, if students who comes from diploma or foundation that want to do credit transfer, there is a formula to count for credit transfer and how much to pay (according to Vice President of MMU).

Retake is free if u can complete the subject within the allocated number of trimester, which is 3 years/ 4 years with 1 free extended trimester. If you want to retake your subject and get higher grade, is for free as well. Just as long as you finish within the period, there is no extra charges.

Old students are using debit system. So, the payment of how many percent only applies to students who are:

1) self sponsored
2) under prob and did not get funds from PTPTN
3) scholarship have not put in money
4) etc

And so sorry that I took so long to reply. I am really not being emo. I am learning and keeping my cool ya. haha. I just reach melaka at around 12pm and got the St. John Opening ceremony. And full with meetings to attend. I missed my classes. Sad case. Some more you scold me for replying late and say I emo. (heart broken already)

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Added on November 9, 2010, 12:58 amFrom SRC, we will try our best to write all the policies and explanation down. Gosh, its not easy. but will try. ^^

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Nov 9 2010, 12:58 AM

my retake is on if i fail that subject and i fail supp-exam again.. i have to retake that subject next sem. So it free as you said?

If based on yours retake, mean i can drop a particular subject if i not confident i can pass, then retake it on other sem for free within that 4 years ?

30% of the trimester fee? How does this fee counts? Let say, we're taking 3 subjects, which costs let say RM3000... meaning we only have to pay RM1000 ? (30%) ? Or, let say as you explained, for example, 1 year = RM15000, 3 trimester, and is divided into long long short, then for example, it will be RM6000, Rm6000, and RM3000 for short trimester. So let say, this 2nd trimester of the extended time falls on long sem, so we pay 30% of the RM6000 which is RM2000? Or we follow how many subjects in that trimester,then we take 30% of it?


Well, about this policy to motivate students not to extend... i don't think i can really agree with that though... sometimes some students might be progressing slow, they are understanding things slower than other people, and you can't expect them to not extend even they've tried their best.. not with that extra policies of taking 7 subjects a sem, do they? I've known some friends, i've seen them studying like, whole day, almost everyday, and they were studying when i was hanging out with friends etc etc, and yet they still failed their exams.. I think these are quite unfair to those weaker students.. (weaker, as in, weaker.. not lazy)..

Then as you mentioned, "Old students, use old policies. New students with ID 110 only affected. Even the 7 subjects."... Use old policies, as in all the old policies of these 4 policies? Meaning we will be using the old payment system, old refund policy, old finance policy, and doesn't need to take 7 subjects per trimester? (Does this apply to all faculties as well?)


I'm interested in knowing this as well. First extended trimester will be free, isn't it? So i guess maybe students can use this "bug", to retake everything in the first semester.. or maybe to retake a dropped subject in that trimester as well... Since they're already well trained in handling as much as 7 core subjects per semester...



Oh ya, this reminds me of one thing.. If we drop a subject before week 2, isn't there a 100% refund? But we're still paying RM8000... that means..... does this mean, let say we took a subject, and dropped it BEFORE week 3, or 2, the next time (say, next trimester), we want to take this subject again, we will not need to pay anymore, coz it's counted in our fees already? And if we dropped it AFTER week 3, it's considered as withdraw right? So if we were to take this subject next semester, it will be considered as an "extra subject" and we're required to pay more for that trimester (say, RM9000 for RM8000+ RM1000( for that extra subjects) ) ?

This post has been edited by sayuri_chan: Nov 9 2010, 01:49 AM

yeap. Correct, its free.. Means u can retake and do what ever you want within 4 years and 1 free extended trimester. Since FOE and FET, quite a number of papers are pre-requisit and only offered once a year, src will appeal for foc, if first attempt after the extended free trimester.

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Added on November 9, 2010, 2:08 am30% of the long trimester. yes, u will need to pay RM1000 only instead of RM3000. in any case, if students extend after the FOC extended time, you need to pay 30% of the trimester and do not care how many subjects are there. In short, if extend, pay 30%.

Thats why I want to ask, if SRC were to negotiate for this. For FOE and FET, extend up to 2 trimester free instead of one. And can take the pre-requisit paper after the FOC period as first attempt. As for other faculties, make it 2 trimester FOC instead of 1 trimester for free. I have counted and students who are week, will extend minimum of 2 trimester.

New students, all policies applies. Old students use old refund, old finance and does not take 7 subjects.

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Added on November 9, 2010, 2:09 amSorry if i miss any info. Did I answer all questions? If i did not, let me know please. I will answer..

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Nov 9 2010, 02:09 AM

he mean that like that the extended sem i mentioned, it free.. It the time frame for you to recover those subject you missed up

however, i also heard something about paying extra after the extended sem but didnt mention it as i dunno what it mean. As now he mean that the 30% might be if you are unable to finish that two subject within a sem. Let say you fail that 2 subject and you have to retake it another sem , MMU might charge you 30% for it

i also mention the policies wont be much of a problem to normal average students. So now pass or fail is very important if you dont want face such problem in the future

7 subject applies to FIT and others, except FET and FOE. According to SRC, those extra subject is counted in together in the fixed payment, so you will be paying those extra subject regardless you take it or not. It a good idea to count those separately though.. so students wont confuse as much as now

Nope i wont say it a good bug, it a very bad bug
students think they can outsmart the system but there potential to backfire but they might fail to realized that the subject is offered only one per trimester year, so you drop it, you could only retake it a year later. That mean u accidentally make yourself extend one year later. As fixed payments dictate that one sem is free, the other two you have to pay 30% even you never take anything

then again i stress that students will just have to make sure they dont fail or at least pass to avoid complication

7 subjects.. I tried that. It's crazy. i manage to get like what.. 3.2...

Well... actually i what i meant is generally for all students, not just engineering students.. maybe management or other faculties doesn't require much understanding.. (just memorizing so they wouldn't experience problem though....)

and.. you mentioned we have to pay RM1000... which is 30% of the RM3000 for 3 subjects.... but then you mentioned again they don't care how many subjects we took? That confused me abit... mind to explain? @_@


old student... fixed payment using old or new system? (actually this concerns me the most coz i've taken alot extra subjects which need to be taken later on in my epsilon year...) If they were to charge me according to my course structure, and if it's as vapeace mentioned, i have to pay even if i've paid it in the previous semester..... i think i'm going to really hate MMU..lol

how about the refund policy as in my last 4 lines of my previous posts?

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Added on November 9, 2010, 7:58 amyea.. i understand that much i think...

And, extra subject that you mean..... do you mean "non-core' subject or "elective" subjects? Or additional subjects in other trimester which u tried to take it this semester? (Extra subjects from other trimester which is not listed in this trimester?) Then how about additional subjects which u take, that is not in your course structure? LoL.. coz from what the president said, they calculate from your course structure and then divide it equally...


and..yea... that is if students failed to realize it.. actually, what i was trying to say was that if they plan that the subjects is available during that extra trimester... like they knew this subject will be offered in their first extended trimester, and they planned to drop it? Then they can take all during that extra semester... but yea.. it'll be a real "bad bug" if that subjects is not offered.. lol

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Added on November 9, 2010, 8:01 amwhich faculties you're in btw? if it's engineering then it's very good already for me.. i think =.=
don't know about that though.. coz i've never took 7 subjects.. the most was 6..

This post has been edited by sayuri_chan: Nov 9 2010, 08:01 AM

by extra subject i mean those elective, non-core subject subject like Malaysian Studies or Moral or mini project

SRC say the fixed payment affected only 110 students and beyond like 111 or 112

But it also quite logical to start from there because those students are yet to take any extra subject i presumed. If it were to affect us, MMU will have a hell of a time calculating everyone of us. Because, most of us took those extra subject earlier. Like me i took my Tech Comp during beta year instead of Delta, my group is the most junior in a class of gamma and delta students. Since i already taken it and MMU cannot charge me double as i already paid for it, how can they charge me again when i already finish it ?

free one extend sem mean you have 3 months to finish those subject you have yet to complete in your entire degree program before you graduate. However, if the subject is not offered in the extended sem or you have to wait beyond the 3 month period, then you have to wait for the next which you have to pay 30% of the fixed payment and so on.... So now src is asking for 2 free extended sem in total of 6 months

if you engineering, i think it best to take max 5 only, dont go for 6 if can.. last sem i took 6. my cgpa drop to 3.65 (previous 3.71)(cilaka only 0.02 for 1st class and dean list )
Gpa worse drop to 3.47 straight from previous 3.7

because cannot cope, just too hard and with "good" lecturer like Zahi dunno sing what song infront. I notice as i go for delta and epsilon year, the "good" lecturer keep coming more and more

about lecturers, students are advised to do online evaluation. Is because, online evaluation will be a system to monitor and give grades to lecturer. Faculties often have problem, as students complain that their lecturer are not good. But end up, the online evaluation given was above 3.

The evaluation score sheet will be used for promotion, bonus and etc. So, practice your rights. If disatisfied, then do properly on online evaluation.

If 10 students grade 1 (below average) and 10 students grade 5 (above average), the result will be average, so faculty cannot do anything.

And the details explained by vapeace is correct and he understands it already. ^^

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Nov 9 2010, 04:21 PM

before all students start thinking they actually determines the bonus etc, it is only for a very tiny percentage (i would say negligible). but yes, i would strongly encourage students to do the evaluation. for EAC, they are quite particular on this, something to do with closing the loop (feedback) for OBE, CQI so it is quite important

So Gavin, as far as I know, SRC never won anything against the management..
so what makes u think they gonna listen to us and change the policies?
7 subjects is a killer...all the students will be walking zombies.

Are you going to come to Cyberjaya tomorrow? Will you be defending the student or gonna play neutral?

Well, I cannot attend the town hall in cyberjaya because there is an event that I need to attend in melaka.

I believe, SRC exco's in Cyberjaya will do their part. Thou I am not physically there, I am sure students will be fine there. And as for the 7 subjects, attend the townhall, and see what is the reason and etc first ok? Then only decide if want to go against it or not.

wanna ask is mmu offering computer engineering and how much is the fee . if i take ptptn loan ... is it hard for me to loan if im going to mmu ?
and what is the requirement for degree in computer engineering in mmu .

Lol.. i will have to agree with that... especially with my electives subjects, there's only like...1 lecturer to teach the whole syllabus, and it was a "good" lecturer too... and not just one.. =.=

me and my group of friends evaluated almost all of the lecturers in previous sem not more than 2.. coz of their teaching skills.. LoL.. And it really got my cgpa dropped ALOT... -.-


and ya, i think i've heard it from don't know which lecturer, (maybe the current acting dean of FET), that the percentage affecting their bonus is very little, in the OAE..

Hi guys, i'm planning to head down to MMU Cyberjaya later today just to check out the Faculty of Management building. And as i know the campus is pretty large, where exactly is the FOM building if i may ask? Any reply is very much appreciated