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post Nov 6 2010, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(Goldseemon @ Nov 6 2010, 08:12 PM)
So you're complaining on dealing with students and the management? By merely spending your entire life in changing the system, will not gives u anything if there isn't any effort.

you may say SRC is useless without students, but, SRC is also useless if they weren't putting enough efforts even if they had the whole campus's students supporting them.

And you can see that SRC does not have the respectable responsibilities.. Well, i know,we can't blame it all on the whole SRC when just 1 member did it wrong or irresponsible towards his/her duty, but do you think it will happen if the person in charged of monitoring the duties, is strict enough? I wonder... =)
And yes, about last time's IT fees, i don't see much notice or flyer or publication about it as well, and... i don't think, in fact, i don't even know there's such thing where 100 students gathered to fight for the IT fees? =.=" What i know was just about the collection of signatures from students whom disagree with the IT fees, is this what you mean by "100 people turned up" as in 100 signatures? If that's so, then i am part of it as well... Well, never mind with that, but that was also told by my friend as well, not by seeing any notifications in campus, or being told by any SRC members.. :\ don't tell me SRCs expect students to spread the news for them after 1-time-announcement...
And..vapeace does make a point. I've asked few of my seniors before, none of them said anything positive about SRC. It's been no good in everything since last time, except for the fact where they continuously disappoint students....
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about the SRC's effort, I have to agree that SRC can do more while we could not.
For SRC exco not being there during duty, is purely attitude and responsibility. I can punish them for so many reasons and even tell them to pay up some fine, but what i believe is exco's should be matured and think of their own responsibility. SRC is a voluntarily work and I wish not to scold and fine them. What I can do is to make them be more aware of their responsibility.

Clarification on my previous statement as it might not seemed clear. I mean, there were only 100 students "attended" the session with management, and not "signing" the petition. I believe this "lack of awareness" will not happen again for the upcoming town hall as SRC will be distributing fliers and posters around campus.

Give SRC some change. I believe that those who raise these concerns do have faith in SRC. But is just disappointed with the outcome. If you are completely disapointed and think SRC is hopeless, you would not even spend some time typing and say what you think of SRC. I think you might not know me but I fight for reason. If there is no reason to fight, there is no point fighting. And back to the issues, if students think that which ever things that was imposed was good, SRC could not do anything either.

I believe those comments given are very fair and is my responsibility to do the necessary.. Help me to help you. Tell me what you think, but not just saying SRC is useless. I think that is unfair. I do know and believe there were frustrations over what src have been doing, but look...I am doing my best to achieve what I need to do. Thats why I am here... After long reply, I simply hope that you guys can give us some faith. And point out more issues for us instead of highlighting us as useless. Doing something is better than do nothing. I want to do something and leave with something but not leave nothing... Give me more feedback before I end my term...


Added on November 6, 2010, 10:38 pm
QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 6 2010, 10:25 PM)
I cant help to notice that you are yearning for respect and praises from us. Do you want a bouquet of roses too? Why would I want to join SRC? What I have contributed as an individual is far more than the collective effort of the whole SRC members, yes you can quote me on this. And no, i dont go harping on what i have done nor solicit any praises. What makes you think I have not dealt with students and the management before, oh wait, maybe it's your 'i am the best' attitude that is surfacing again. Let me repeat again, just in case you have not read my previous comments. I criticize the way SRC handled this matter in terms of its methodology and approach, and ultimately created distress among the students. Make your stand, do you agree or do you not agree with me?
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fairly said and yes I do agree with you about the way SRC handled in terms of methodology and approach which creates distress. but I have said that is SRC fault too.

But I have to disagree that I am yearning for respect. Respect is earned, not yearned. And I do not deserved to be labeled yet as I have not end my term of service. As a whole, I reject your opinion on "yearning for respect" and claim that "i am the best".

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post Nov 6 2010, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 6 2010, 10:38 PM)
You are wrong. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Period.
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Doing things wrong means learning. Rome was not build in a day. Baby will fall when it started to learn how to walk. So, making mistakes is part of life. What is important is learn from the mistakes.
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What have I learned? Haha, admit the mistakes in public before being pushed? does that relieves you? well, we have war to fight out there.. No point fighting in here... Right.. And what difference does it make? why not tell the country's senator/dewan rakyat/menteri/perdana menteri to apologize for their mistakes. And who clean up for them?

it's almost pointless and come on, move on. Ur stuck behind..move on... "some" of your comments are rational. But as time goes, it doesn't seemed so. Since you hate mmu so much, wonder why are you still there. There are always more option.. (utar). Mind you, you will be graduating with MMU's name on it. I you challenge me so much eh? why not you tell your potential employer about how bad is MMU. Or will you be telling how good are you and how bad is MMU..

Look at what you are wearing before criticizing other's attire.


Added on November 6, 2010, 11:53 pmsince SRC made the mess, src is going to clean in.. Fair...

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post Nov 7 2010, 02:15 AM

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Thank you for your comment. :-)

no point saying things to people who think SRC as Stupid Retarded Chicken rite? (you sounded like someone who label SRC as "stupid". In marketing, we call that group of peoplenas stereotype)
your point keep on saying senior, senior and senior. Well, if you think that "seniors" are right, all the best to you.

I have my responsibility to carry out. Thank you

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Thank you for your comment. :-)
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post Nov 7 2010, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(vapeace @ Nov 7 2010, 07:10 PM)
thanks for your comment, In engineering we label those useless as "noob". Sadly SRC have no N in it sign. Well senior have experience more than us..come on your are just 21 or 22 . they are over 25. Now you tell me who more experience. 

Next on my agenda, i just received a great insider info ( i wont reveal it from who..). I think you will have some deep explanation to do regarding this

based on my info, circular regarding the new policies was already circulated among assistant lecturer and lecturer and possible among top src members (Which is you indirectly) very much earlier before the meeting before SRC and MMU (possible as early as last sem). It mean that SRC already knew about the policies beforehand. If i remember correctly, SRC only launch the campaign after MMU announced it plan to implement those policies. SRC is hiding a secret from the students and only launch it campaign after official announcement

MMU also knew beforehand, that SRC is going to launch a petition against it. When asked management already knew about it and very confident that the policies will get the green light even if SRC protest against it. I starting to personally think that SRC knew this will happen sooner or later, and they launch a campaign just to show that they at least did something. The meeting between SRC and MMU are just a play. MMU meeting with students is another play to announce the policies will get the go ahead regardless the protest

next the policies was already implemented even before SRC collect the petition against it. It mean that we are not informed about also. Few students are already refused refund although they are not 110XXXXXX ID which you claimed only will faced such policies. It also seem that even during the first week, when students want to drop their subject, they are also refused full refund. How could you miss such info and not tell it to anyone. Since i never drop any subject, i dont know such policies applied to us also. Where the transparency of SRC ? Now i would you to give a explanation wther 110XXXXXXX students only or everyone is affected by the policies ? I view this as a very serious matter !

Next, src are diverting the blame for the policies implementation to students for not giving supports and claiming the policies will be implemented because there no enough students against it. Wow great diversion technique  thumbup.gif I have to say SRC sure have planned their move very well. Kudos to SRC

Now this information can be true or not true but even it not true. It a very disturbing facts indeed to until it reaches my ears
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Thank you for your comment and no point mentioning to stereotypes. And I think is best you ask during the Town Hall. What you wrote clearly shows that you do not even understand what is happening and trying to portray as though you know everything. And mind you with your accusation and false claiming before even mentioning it. Have your facts and info right. Experience by age does not count. I have come on hand that a grandfather just raped their granddaughter. What that does shows? A 65 years old guy still kicking? Or just another "grandfather" that just want to tell the world that he knows everything? (grow up)

Quoting and by saying thing without evidence are called as "false claim". I am not sure have an engineering student like you came across this. But this is just common sense. (not sure you have it or not but never mind). You seemed like to link things around. Since you said that there is "a great insider", why not me telling you that I have " a great outsider" who thinks that he is inside?

Frankly, I do not do things to please people's ears and your ears would be the least for me to please. Next tip, get your facts and details right before sticking it out. It's eyesore. All the best. thumbup.gif


Added on November 7, 2010, 9:51 pm
QUOTE(SMALL BULLION @ Nov 7 2010, 07:41 PM)
I heard those policies since last sem~~
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wow, now he is talking. And that's better in fact. Indeed it started last semester. Just students did not realize it. Maybe students like the "steriotype" are too busy catching SRC's tail without knowing who's tail is that.



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post Nov 7 2010, 11:01 PM

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All the best.. for future reference.. awesome..


Added on November 7, 2010, 11:03 pm
QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 7 2010, 10:47 PM)
Quoting this for future reference:

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gavin gavin, the more you speak, the more arrogant you sound..the more you try to defend, the more desperate you sound  wink.gif
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and check previous post and see who started the arrogance.

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post Nov 8 2010, 12:21 AM

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thank you for your comment but I just agree that SRC did create distress among students. period

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QUOTE(vapeace @ Nov 8 2010, 12:23 AM)
keep your cool man, Dealing with arrogant people is not be arrogant yourself
Mr president, did you just said you know about this policies since last sem ? How come most of us here are not aware of it ? i clearly check my bulletin board last sem but i dont see any announcement about it
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Yeap, already started last semester. After senate approve it, then only there was a memo being sent around staffs. Did you ever see new implementation posted in bulletin that often? Even the finance payment is not being uploaded in bulletin last trimester. SRC got to know during our final week of our holidays.


Added on November 8, 2010, 12:31 am
QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 8 2010, 12:28 AM)
LOL, quote for future reference again  tongue.gif
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Ok.. anyway, this thread wont be deleted or removed. Remarks and information are provided/given as a forum-er. Period.

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post Nov 8 2010, 12:50 AM

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It was imposed but not enforced. Especially the finance policy. And it was enforced this trimester. That is when we got to know about the new implementation. We not informed when it was imposed as well.

So, that's why I said that what you had mentioned earlier that SRC knows about this, was wrong.


Added on November 8, 2010, 12:52 am
QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 8 2010, 12:35 AM)
haha, playing the political game well i see. so all the comments made here and in fb are not in your capacity as president of src? the rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper
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meet me in person and if the words come from my mouth, that is the President of SRC. Anyone would have created any accounts right? So, want to know, why not come over and see me. My cell is 0166588220. Instead of blasting on your keyboard, why not see me in person. I would be more than happy though.

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Why? simple:

Week before trimester starts (got to know)
Wednesday before trimester starts (survey on 7 subjects was conducted)
Friday before trimester starts (meeting with senate and discuss on the reason)

starting of semester, week 1 (clarification)
end of week 1, SRC campaign started.


Added on November 8, 2010, 1:05 am
QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 8 2010, 01:01 AM)
now that you have planted some doubts about your real identity in this forum, what about those comments in fb? make it clear so that everyone knows.
like i said, it's all about integrity or in your case, the lack of it.

i prefer using black and white communications for obvious reasons. Meeting you would not solve the distress that you have created amoong the students, right? so why would i waste my time unless you have very important matters to be said.
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if that's what you think? It's up to you. After all, people who want to clarify such as reporters do see people face to face, but t collect info from FB or forum. Well, if seeing me makes you think I will waste your time. Nothing to say then. After all, I prefer seeing people than typing. smile.gif

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Hence, my final remarks.

Should there be any parties involved felt offended in which directly or indirectly I do not mean to. Please do not take it to your heart.

There is a saying, "buang yang keruh, ambil yang jernih". I am just a normal human and more importantly, I am a student. I have added responsibility to carry out as I volunteered to do so. If you think that I sounded ego and "ultra-defensive" in the earlier post, I would like you to re-look at all the posts started from the very beginning. (but I have to admit I did not stay cool)

Other than that, should there be any case that students need further clarification/ raise of dissatisfaction, please meet me in person instead.

Good night.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 8 2010, 01:07 AM)
well, i dont need your clarification actually because i think i am more well informed than you are  wink.gif i prefer talking face to face too, but not in this case where black and white is important.
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well, if you are more well informed than me, you should know the fundamental reason of this implementation. In which what condition MMU is at this moment. Talking face to face means come from me. That's all I will tell you. Other than that, no comment.
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QUOTE(vapeace @ Nov 8 2010, 01:15 AM)
yes you still have not given me the info only 110xxx students are affected by the policies or others too ?
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Meet me in person than I will tell you.
Alternatively, Human Nature says he knows more. Ask him. Else, attend the town hall.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 8 2010, 01:24 AM)
yes, i know about the policies. if you read properly, i did not touch much on the policy nor discuss about it in detail. My main target is always focused, that SRC did not carry out the whole thing in a proper manner. when students come to see me and complaint about the whole thing, they always say SRC told them so, they read about the petition in facebook, they read about the anti-mmu thingy and SRC seem to be behind all of it. but when inquired further, they only know the surface, and worst, misinformed. and the thing is, these students are better off without all this confusion and should focus more on their studies instead.
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Yeap, what you say is quite true. Is our mistake by not properly inform and had lead to confusion among students. This is what we need to improve in. smile.gif


Added on November 8, 2010, 1:37 am
QUOTE(vapeace @ Nov 8 2010, 01:26 AM)
^ so any tips you can give about the policies ?

i asking the same question and no one is giving a definitive answer
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come and see me and I will explain the whole thing myself and make sure you understand. If all those policies are as easy to be explained, we would have done it much earlier. Even management agrees that is hard to do it in writing and let students read.

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As previously posted by saying SRC are Stupid Retarded Chicken and label me as useless + noob. I think I do not deserve giving you the answer. Since you have label us so much of "creativity" in calling us. I think you can be "more creative" in getting yourself answers.

After all, you have your seniors to go to. Go ask them. See if they could help.
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Not emo-ing. is I was a bit occupied. Ok, let me briefly explain ya. (kindly no put in any fire. Just let me explain and don't keep on shooting SRC)

Fixed payment. It's like this. This implementation affects only 110 students. So, in line with that, students from FOM, FIT and FIST have 21 credit hours to take. Assuming is 3 credit hours per subject, total subjects would be 7.

(let's focus FOM, FIT and FIST first) Example the total course is RM48,000 and to be completed in 3 years. So 48K divide by 3 years. Which is RM16,000 per year.

So, if the course structure shows there is subject to take (example coco, sports, cyberP and etc) the RM16,000 divide into 3 trimester. However, if the course structure shows there are no subjects to take in short trimester, RM16,000 will be divide into 2, which means RM8000.

With the fixed payment policy, refund policy does not work. As students need to complete their whole course in 3 years. Should there be any case that students drop their subject in week 3 onwards, it is to be considered as withdraw. Example, you are paying RM8000 per trimester (assuming no subjects for short trimester) and you have 7 subjects. You think you could not coupe and want to drop 2. When you drop before week 2, you still pay RM8000. After week 2 (considered as withdraw), you still pay RM8000.

In any case, if students are not able to complete their whole course in 3 years, they will extend. The first trimester of the extended time would be free. But after the first trimester of the extended time, students need to pay 30% of the trimester fee.

Hence, SRC will renegotiate few things. This policy is to motivate students not to extend. But we have calculated, week students will need to extend at least 2 trimester. hence, we will request 2 trimester for free. While for engineering students, there are many pre-requisite subjects. If students fail 1 pre-requisite, they need to extend whole year. Hence, this is unfair for them. So, for engineering students, we will negotiate that they can take the paper as charged earlier for first attempt.


Added on November 9, 2010, 12:13 amFixed payment is for all faculties. Only 7 subjects thingy is for FOM, FIT and FIST..


Added on November 9, 2010, 12:14 amI ask finance already. Old students, use old policies. New students with ID 110 only affected. Even the 7 subjects.

Example, if you came in from foundation, 109, your course structure seemed different that 110 degree students.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 9 2010, 12:37 AM)
I can confirm that FET and FOE are not affected by this.
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finance policies include fixed payment? you sure?
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Yeap. Because I mentioned, FOM, FIT and FIST only for 7 subjects.

FOE and FET cannot touch, cox is very strict.
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Yea, PTPTN problem still have not yet settle. Owh, I would like to take this chance to inform.

I was in the Quality council the other day and I discussed on the issue of mechanical students who are not able to get PTPTN loan due to accreditation. hence, Prof Zaharin agreed that affected students are allowed to:

1) Sit for exam
2) View Results
3) Course registration

by paying a minimum amount of fee. However, if students are unable to pay up, can write appeal letter addressing to Prof.Zaharin.

Students are allowed to meet Credit management Unit (CMU)

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