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post May 19 2010, 11:30 PM

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poolman is smarter than the richman...

at least he knows how to invest in property rather than keep in FD!


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post May 20 2010, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(leng48 @ May 19 2010, 07:24 PM)
is this captain obvious trap or what? doesn't it shows that the poolman have a fully paid 218k worth-of-cash house? poolman win!
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Kudo's for being the 1st one to be able to spot this wink.gif
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post May 20 2010, 07:01 AM

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this logic doesn't count in if the house appreciate and money inflation.

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post May 20 2010, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(0mars @ May 19 2010, 05:42 PM)
the definition of being able to afford something I believe lies in how well it allows you to grow your assets.

now, for both of your cases (2k and 4k) if you buy to rent and the rent is enough to cover your mortgage, the end result is a net gain.

but then you see people who earn 2k buying 60-70k cars  which take them 9 years to pay off and by the end of that suffer a loss due to both the large amount paid for interest as well as the depreciation of a cars value. whereas, if you bought say a second hand waja for 25k paid it off within 3-5 years and used the extra cash to invest wisely, you would end up with both a form of transport as well as steady growth in assets.

the problem then is due to people living above their means, ie. changing cars every few years and renting apartments bigger than they need. I remember reading somewhere in the forum about a guy renting a 3 bedroom apartment for himself and wasnt willing to rent out the other rooms.

but then again, please correct me if im wrong. Im still a student who hasnt started to invest yet and my opinion is limited to the small amount of FQ that ive been trying to gain prior to entering the workforce smile.gif
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Kudos to you since you are still a student! rclxms.gif

Many people working many many yrs still dont understand what u trying to say. You are well ahead of many working class in terms of financial knowledge.

In Spore it is a trend to load yourself with car loan, reno loan right aft graduation. Thereafter 30 yrs working for the bank till retirement. Msia is catching fast.

Car is the last thing you wanna 'upgrade' in this place of earth unless necessary.

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post May 20 2010, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ May 19 2010, 04:26 PM)
Read 'The Millionaire Next Door' by Thomas Stanley.

Of course the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.

The rich keep on doing things that made them rich. The poor keep on doing things that made them poor (like buying cars and house they cant afford rolleyes.gif)
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Couldnt agree anymore.

A richman will never buy house that couldnt afford. If they have 5million, they probably buy a 300-500K house and leaves the rest into investment.
if a poorman have only 100k, that means he is 50 times poorer. Yet he/she go and bought a 100-300K house. By the math he/she should be buying a house that is 50 times cheaper than the richman ones. That means it is only 10K, which u cannot find such house. if so, rent a room only *not even rent a house unless you have a family. on top of that it also means every single thing u spend must be 50 smaller than the richman in order to get rich as fast as the richman.

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post May 20 2010, 12:41 PM

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post May 20 2010, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ May 19 2010, 05:08 PM)
If you cant afford it, no.

If you can afford it, yes.
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If I, I will ask this question to myself.


How can I buy with little money and later that house will pay by itself?
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post May 20 2010, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ May 20 2010, 02:15 PM)
If I, I will ask this question to myself.
How can I buy with little money and later that house will pay by itself?
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It's hard to do that if you dont plan on renting it out smile.gif

We spend less than 10% of our income towards our own little home. It wont pay by itself lah since we're living in it biggrin.gif
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post May 25 2010, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(billytong @ May 20 2010, 09:19 AM)
Couldnt agree anymore.

A richman will never buy house that couldnt afford. If they have 5million, they probably buy a 300-500K house and leaves the rest into investment.
if the richman has 5 million in CASH, unless it is a one-off lottery win, I bet he has the ability to generate an insane amount of monthly income.
300~500k house is too cheap a house for this man.
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post May 25 2010, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(vincentlee @ May 25 2010, 12:44 AM)
if the richman has 5 million in CASH, unless it is a one-off lottery win, I bet he has the ability to generate an insane amount of monthly income.
300~500k house is too cheap a house for this man.
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vincentlee,

1) My uncle is a multi-millionaire. His house is worth less than 500K. Yes, he could afford a more expensive house but why should he do that??

2) One of the nice perk of being a multi-millionaire is you no longer need to care about OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINION of how to live. You could live in whatever life style that you choose.

Only those that are NOT truly rich need to show off how rich that they are.

Dreamer

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post May 25 2010, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ May 20 2010, 02:52 PM)
It's hard to do that if you dont plan on renting it out smile.gif

We spend less than 10% of our income towards our own little home. It wont pay by itself lah since we're living in it biggrin.gif
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Then the question is:
How to make it pay by itself by living in it? Without you paying the mortgage?
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post May 25 2010, 09:58 AM

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Rent out the other rooms and have the rental >= the mortgage
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post May 25 2010, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ May 25 2010, 02:24 AM)
vincentlee,

1) My uncle is a multi-millionaire.  His house is worth less than 500K.  Yes, he could afford a more expensive house but why should he do that??

2) One of the nice perk of being a multi-millionaire is you no longer need to care about OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINION of how to live.  You could live in whatever life style that you choose.

Only those that are NOT truly rich need to show off how rich that they are. 

Dreamer
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Could not agree more on this. Some wealthy man is still driving old pajero, some still prefers to live in a modest condominium, some still wear non-brand clothes and etc.
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post May 25 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(ericpee82 @ May 19 2010, 01:28 PM)
Base on this cash flow chart, that said

rich man cash in FD                       -> 100k
poorman House loan BLR               -> 100k
                                                    
after 30 years
rich man cash in FD                           --> 209k   (base on FD Rate 2.5% p.a)
poorman House loan BLR                    -->216k     (jz finished paid loan)
  
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The calculation is nonsense. You are comparing different asset classes. Try the calculation below. wink.gif

Rich Man cash invested in property -> 100K
Poorman House Loan BLR -> 100K

After 30 Years

Rich Man Net Worth -> 216K (property @ 2.6% appreciation) + 189K (net rental @4% yield) = 405K
Poor Man Net Worth -> 216k (property @ 2.6% appreciation) = 216K

So the rich man wins after all. laugh.gif whistling.gif

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post May 25 2010, 12:07 PM

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There are plenty ways to be a rich man! Inherited by parents; self-generated through investments/business; lottery

Anyhow, you have psychological wealth and financial wealth will come after that =)

@gark,

Nice one by projecting a smart rich man will not put his money in FD because the compounding return is so low =)

Not to forget annual inflation rate if we included in!

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post May 25 2010, 12:35 PM

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there have 4 types of people, which one are you?

1. Got Money Rich man
2. No Money Rich man
3. Got Money Poor man
4. No Money Poor Man



1. these are really rich man
2. these are no money people trying to show off as a rich man
3. these are rich people trying to show off as a poor man
4. these are really poor people.



 

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