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Science Solar energy as an alternative source, ... Why not?

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alxa3021
post Jun 6 2010, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ May 19 2010, 03:11 PM)
much higher....since the technology for it is new....hence the materials for it is expensive since there's no large scale production of it...
also, investors are more willing to put their money on more proven systems than a relatively new system
nope.....the sun still don't shine at night... also there's cloudy days....rain all leading to unstable power supply and hence it is hard to calculate how many solar power stations are needed to power a certain industry or population.
unlike fossil fuel based you can increase or decrease output at will.
energy is not stored....it is just sent to the grid as it is produced.....
very bad if we cannot store energy and use a unstable power supply 
no need to compare with fossil fuel based actually...
efficiency not high enough to balance the high startup cost and deliver cheap electricity at the same time.....hence the attractiveness of this system to investors is low
attractiveness will increase when the fossil fuel price increase and government incentive is given to develop it.


Added on May 19, 2010, 3:16 pm

that's some seriously high power demand you are talking about..... efficiency and storage issues apply here.....most likely you will need more power from external sources...

but...no doubt that installing that could lower the electricity bills..... as for attractiveness to put solar cells on the roof...depends on how much time is needed to offset its initial cost and the mentality of the people and the cost of electricity per unit...
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Well I actually work as an Solar Design Engineer out here in California. Interestingly, what I found was Photovoltaics is actually not new technology, it actually has been around for almost a hundred years. It is true that initial start up costs are high, however, the system has a life-span of 25 to 30 years, and your ROI in Malaysia would be about half of that (Actually, I'm going to say this depends on how much of a utility bill you get in the first place). In California, there are government based and utility based incentives to help balance the cost of Solar systems here and ROIs can go from 4 to 7 years depending on the size of the system. Though, it would be unfair for me to point on California's case.

It is true that power is not produced during the night, however you would be surprised that power can still be produced in cloudy weather, though production may be halved or even more. However, all these would have already been taken into account in the first place when sizing a system, so your building/house would be covered. Also, do keep in mind that renewable energy systems will definitely not take over current forms of energy, but it would actually mitigate the amount of coal being burnt, hence making KL's skyline more visible at times.

Efficiency of panels range from 18 to 20 percent and its bound to only go higher. Especially with the recent boom in the European market again due to large incentives and not forgetting the large American market. Prices on PV panels are now so competitive due to the over production in China.
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post Jun 7 2010, 01:17 PM

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Ozak:

Well, again i'm not too familiar with the Malaysian energy market, and the prices of panels in Malaysia, I was just giving information based on what I know since I work in the industry.

If you wanted to start small scale, you may want to consult the manufacturer or an electrical engineer/electrician before starting.

VMSmith:

The last statement I wrote was intended as a pun. I did not really mean what I said. Though, you never know.
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post Jun 10 2010, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 7 2010, 01:34 PM)
Ah. Duly noted.

I do have a couple of questions regarding PV cells maintenance though.

#1: Considering that it's easy for dust to gather on the glass surface and for it to be easily scratched, how often/expensive would it cost to replace it? (Not looking for a specific number, just an approximate figure)

#2: Does the silver paste for PV cells need to be replaced over a certain number of years as well?
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The glass is actually manufactured to be more durable than that, the dust can be cleaned off easily with water, and the glass used is actually a temper proof/scratch proof glass, so you wont have to replace it.

PV panels are maintenance free, you dont have to maintain them at all. As a matter of fact most panels should come with a 25 year warranty. The reason their maintenance free is due to the fact that it has no mechanical parts.


QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 7 2010, 02:29 PM)
I have check around my local solar company. There have some small scale solar package for home user. With considerate cost. I calculate mostly base on US website as here don't have much detail. I guess it same since the parts is not much different. I might be wrong. The installation is not diffiuclt for me.

Over US side, are they start in small scale first or mostly go for whole house?
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Most of the time they just go for the whole house, or try to anyway, again it really depends on available area. There are reason for this and I don't want to go too in depth about it.

QUOTE(FLampard @ Jun 8 2010, 12:43 AM)
When the raining season comes u gg.
from wat i understand, there are 2 ways of generating electricity from solar. One is using solar cells, semi conductor like selenium can convert light particles to electric current.

light energy --> electric energy
the other way is to use the heat from sun to heat water and convert it to steam to push the turbine.

heat energy --> electric energy.
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This is true, however a good solar company would have already sized the system so that you produce more energy during the non-monsoon months to cover up for the monsoon months, however I'm not too sure whether TNB will credit the power back to you if you over produce. Might want to check your local utility company, on this regard.


QUOTE(BFGWong @ Jun 8 2010, 06:19 PM)
In Malaysia, a big barrier for us will be the still significant ROI.  With most Malaysians actually taking 7-9 years to pay off a car, on a similar price scale, it will not be feasible for most people without a good financing option to be able to afford that cash outlay.

Actually, wasn't there a global overcapacity of panels?  I was actually hoping for a price crash, followed by the surviving firms finally getting their acts together and put PV on the same price law as semiconductors (e.g. installed price per kW to be halved every 18-24 months)
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This is true, if the government however gives incentives, it may make sense then.

There is a global overcapacity, prices of panels have dropped since last year to an all time low. The firms are still pretty much waiting for other firms to file for bankruptcy and it may happen very soon, however with the new government incentives in some EU countries, these firms are given a thin life line for a while at least.

 

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