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post May 18 2010, 10:05 AM


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http://www.mmail.com.my/content/35586-sela...ear-power-plant

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It seems that we humans seems to conveniently forget the past (or, maybe just our beloved Federal govt). It's been almost 30 years since the nuclear contamination case in Bukit Merah, Perak, and already there is now confirmation that M'sia is soon to join the "exclusive" club of nuclear power-generating countries. I'm not sure how many of us M'sians (including the young and politicians) have heard of what had happened in Bukit Merah in the early 1980s. Perhaps the following company name may jog their memory - A.R.E. (Asian Rare Earth)?

If my memory serves me correctly, the Consumer Assoc. of Penang had uncovered the act of this Japanese company illegally (or with the convenience of local authorities) dumping nuclear toxic waste underground in and around the Bukit Merah area. At the time when the news broke out nationally, many residents of Bukit Merah were showing the classic symptons of leukemia or radiation poisoning. There was even concern that such nuclear waste had contaminated the underground sources of water, which we are even drinking today! There were even babies who were born deformed, while pregnant women suffered from painful miscarriages.

I wonder if the good people of Bukit Merah still recall this incident, nearly 30 years ago. Or, has time changed all that? Perhaps, some monetary compensation did that magical trick of "memory insomnia"? Anyway, I leave it to the present generation of M'sians to uncover the truth as generating nuclear power requires discipline and responsibility (e.g. in terms of disposing nuclear toxic waste, which we are not capable of doing, judging from our appalling lack of concern for the environment for simple issues like the throwing of our daily garbage wastes). I applaud the Selangor state government's stand on this issue as there are certainly many other cleaner alternatives to generate renewable sources of energy than nuclear power. For once, we M'sians should unite and say "Tak Nak" (meaning, "don't need/want") nuclear energy. We should start thinking of alternatives such as wind power, solar power or even other renewable/green sources of energy currently being developed by other developed countries.


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what happened 30 years ago?
did we create any mutants?



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what happened 30 years ago?
did we create any mutants?
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I think yes. And now Malaysia plan to have Nuclear power plant... I wonder... where and how they dump their waste?
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Environmental Effects of Nuclear Dumping in Malaysia

Despite protests, former Malaysian PM pushed ahead the dumping of radioactive waste in Perak, on the grounds that it is for the sake of Malaysia's industry. Radioactive waste were stored and dumped by Japanese owned Asian Rare Earth (ARE) company. which processed monazite

No one really believes that nuclear dumping is harmless as claimed by Malaysian government. "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do to you", said Confucius. Due to stringent environmental standards set in Japan, ARE moved its operations of processing monazite to Malaysia at Bukit Merah, Papan, Perak. The rare earth is processed in Perak, then shipped back to Japan for industrial use, while the radioactive and toxic residue would remain in Malaysia.

A freudian slip by Mahathir? He was quoted as saying that the government "can't guarantee the safety of the people if they get into the area, dig the soil, bathe in it or throw it over their heads".

The choice of a Chinese dominated area chosen for the dumping site is politically motivated and a sinister plot. Bukit Merah has 99.99% Chinese occupants, to be on the conservative side. That is a small and dispensable sacrifice in Mahathir's calculations.

Reports of bad smell, choking, coughing, colds, tearing, coupled with studies of leukemia, infant mortality, congenital diseas and lead poisoning alerted the plight of nearby village folks. In 1985, eight people sued ARE and on behalf of 10,000 residents of Bukit Merah. However, a number of environmentalists were jailed in 1987 for demonstrating.

Not surprisingly, the price land and houses in the vicinity of the dumping grounds have been extremely depressed while the rest of Perak and Malaysia prospered. If possible, no one would want to live there. Have these long suffering residents been forgotten by the rest of society?

http://www.surforever.com/sam/a2z/content4.html
http://www.unctad-10.org/pdfs/preux_fdipaper4.en.pdf


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Kronologi Kejadian Asian Rare Earth di Bukit Merah
Berikut adalah kronologi penetangan Asian Rare Earth (ARE) di Bukit Merah, Ipoh sehingga penutupannya pada 19 Januari, 1994.

http://sisaradioaktif.blogspot.com/2009/01...e-earth-di.html

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http://aplikasi.kpkt.gov.my/akhbar.nsf/852...&TableRow=2.0#2.
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post May 18 2010, 10:14 AM


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Renewable energy resource isn't efficient, and its by product is damaging to the environment, such as production of solar panels, and the building of dams.

well, its up to the Jews in israel to come up with new tech to help malaysia and the muslim world in creating safer more efficient energy. Zionists rules!
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ May 18 2010, 10:12 AM)
Kronologi Kejadian Asian Rare Earth di Bukit Merah
Berikut adalah kronologi penetangan Asian Rare Earth (ARE) di Bukit Merah, Ipoh sehingga penutupannya pada 19 Januari, 1994.

http://sisaradioaktif.blogspot.com/2009/01...e-earth-di.html

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http://aplikasi.kpkt.gov.my/akhbar.nsf/852...&TableRow=2.0#2.
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Thanks for the info. Eventhough the Bukit Merah is not really some nuclear incident, but it show that how Malaysia handle
environment issue. I can't believe nuclear will be handled appropriately by Malaysian. If Singaporean, I might feel more
confident. With Malaysian government, I think we can prepare to die or migrate.
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post May 18 2010, 10:16 AM


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Nuclear energy are for efficient and minimal corruption country/government.

Here we have alot of corruption caused cases which causing misery to the citizens. If the same shit happens during the process of building the nuclear power plant or during its operation. A single seemingly "inferior" piece of raw material or simply misdirection in orders... will turn us into a 2nd chernobyl.

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post May 18 2010, 10:21 AM


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we got 'Heroes' in our own backyard?
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Wow..thanks for the news..I feel Malaysian last time is more aware of the environment and will fight mati-matian

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post May 18 2010, 10:28 AM


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what makes you people think it will cause leak and death?

Iran is doing it, India and china also has many

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors

if just because the country is corrupt and not developed so nuclear must leak, then you'll be hearing a lot of nuclear deaths and mutations from those countries.

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QUOTE(asambai @ May 18 2010, 10:21 AM)
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Another project that they wanna waste our money & "filter" a lot.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 10:28 AM)
what makes you people think it will cause leak and death?

Iran is doing it, India and china also has many

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors

if just because the country is corrupt and not developed so nuclear must leak, then you'll be hearing a lot of nuclear deaths and mutations from those countries.
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because we don't have skills to maintain.
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i did my malaysian studies paper on this

went there and interview people..
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so, did anybody here married Bukit Merah people?
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post May 18 2010, 10:41 AM


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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ May 18 2010, 10:38 AM)
because we don't have skills to maintain.
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Says who?

India has lots of skilled workers especially when they have many nuclear plants.

Besides, its stupid to link nuclear disaster to just not having skills to maintain locally. Shallow minded people will spit out shit like yours without doing further research into the feasibility of the entire initiative.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 10:41 AM)
Says who?

India has lots of skilled workers especially when they have many nuclear plants.

Besides, its stupid to link nuclear disaster to just not having skills to maintain locally. Shallow minded people will spit out shit like yours without doing further research into the feasibility of the entire initiative.
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lol... are you from the government nuclear body?
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We have submarine that kenot sink..
We have jet that engine stolen...


can u ensure the nuclear materials not being stolen or leak?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 10:52 AM)
lol... are you from the government nuclear body?
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I believe Malaysians are way better than India in terms of standard of living and tech advancements and country governance.

Yet why is India ahead of Malaysia in nuclear?
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 10:55 AM)
I believe Malaysians are way better than India in terms of standard of living and tech advancements and country governance.

Yet why is India ahead of Malaysia in nuclear?
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Question:
y are Indian programmers preferred over Malaysian programmers?

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QUOTE(frequency @ May 18 2010, 10:55 AM)
We have submarine that kenot sink..
We have jet that engine stolen...
can u ensure the nuclear materials not being stolen or leak?
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Can you assure that the planes in the sky dont drop ontop of your head?

you people like to take isolated incidents and blow it out of proportion with simplistic generalizations of the worse case scenario.

If malaysia is that bad as you envision it due to those isolated cases, then the LRT would be failing and killing people all the time, MAS and AirAsia planes would be crashing down periodically and our TNB plants would be up in flames every month as it catches fire from leaking petrol. rolleyes.gif

As usual, people here have not an ounce of intellect.
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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ May 18 2010, 10:59 AM)
Question:
y are Indian programmers preferred over Malaysian programmers?
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Question:
Why are there more poverty in India than in Malaysia?

Why are malaysian infrastructure is way better than in India?


Added on May 18, 2010, 11:00 amBesides, Indian programmers aren't any better. They're just CHEAP.

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Nuclear power is nice but as pointed out, Malaysia is not efficient enough in waste disposal, let alone nuclear waste disposal.

Even if solar panels production have some environmental problems, I don't think the problem would be that great when we run out of petroleum.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 10:59 AM)
Besides, Indian programmers aren't any better. They're just CHEAP.
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I assure you, they aren't cheap. And they know how much to demand. laugh.gif

They ain't hired to serve you teh tarik or roti canai. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 10:55 AM)
I believe Malaysians are way better than India in terms of standard of living and tech advancements and country governance.

Yet why is India ahead of Malaysia in nuclear?
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are you being fed with government propaganda until you cannot think yourself?
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 10:59 AM)
Can you assure that the planes in the sky dont drop ontop of your head?

you people like to take isolated incidents and blow it out of proportion with simplistic generalizations of the worse case scenario.

If malaysia is that bad as you envision it due to those isolated cases, then the LRT would be failing and killing people all the time, MAS and AirAsia planes would be crashing down periodically and our TNB plants would be up in flames every month as it catches fire from leaking petrol.  rolleyes.gif

As usual, people here have not an ounce of intellect.
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lol... those stuff are necessity (nuclear is not). Did you remember our LRT wheel drop down? That's Malaysian.... Malaysia is that BADD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(lionelzc @ May 18 2010, 11:00 AM)
Nuclear power is nice but as pointed out, Malaysia is not efficient enough in waste disposal, let alone nuclear waste disposal.

Even if solar panels production have some environmental problems, I don't think the problem would be that great when we run out of petroleum.
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Simple. Point down south. There's an island south of Johor that is full of rotten apples. Its an ideal place to contain all nuclear waste disposals and leakages. point it there. Yes.

If malaysia is so bad, TNB power plants would be blowing up every now and then because malaysia is not efficient enough in handling explosive materials like petrol when they use it to fuel their powerplants.
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wah it will create more job opportunity on nuclear field...yeah i no need worry on getting a job riao
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:07 AM)
Simple. Point down south. There's an island south of Johor that is full of rotten apples. Its an ideal place to contain all nuclear waste disposals and leakages. point it there. Yes.

If malaysia is so bad, TNB power plants would be blowing up every now and then because malaysia is not efficient enough in handling explosive materials like petrol when they use it to fuel their powerplants.
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Malaysia is bad!!!

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2401&sec=nation

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High Court finds monorail operator liable for accident

KUALA LUMPUR: The High Court here held the monorail operator liable for an incident seven years ago in which a safety wheel flew off a train and fell on a Bernama journalist.
If nuclear plant, I wonder what will fall off????
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:07 AM)
Simple. Point down south. There's an island south of Johor that is full of rotten apples. Its an ideal place to contain all nuclear waste disposals and leakages. point it there. Yes.

If malaysia is so bad, TNB power plants would be blowing up every now and then because malaysia is not efficient enough in handling explosive materials like petrol when they use it to fuel their powerplants.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I though combustible and explosive is slightly different in meaning? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ May 18 2010, 11:04 AM)
I assure you, they aren't cheap. And they know how much to demand. laugh.gif

They ain't hired to serve you teh tarik or roti canai. laugh.gif
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Their nation is cheap with cheap books cheap meals and cheap accomodations and cheap lives. Look at their train is stuffed like cheap sardines.
Yet, nuclear!

QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:05 AM)
are you being fed with government propaganda until you cannot think yourself?
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No, but looking at statistics, I'd say Malaysia deserves more credit where its due regardless.

QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:07 AM)
lol... those stuff are necessity (nuclear is not). Did you remember our LRT wheel drop down? That's Malaysian.... Malaysia is that BADD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Electricity is not necessity too. its just luxury. rolleyes.gif

Our present energy generation is based on fossil fuel, and small percentage on hydro dam (which changes the ecosystem badly)

LRT wheel drop? Tell me, how often did that happen?
Can you show me a consistent failure in LRT that causes death and great damage?
Car accidents and deaths on the road is even more consistent. So why dont you voice out on the complete ban in motorised vehicles?
Being self hypocrite is awesome, yes?
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I assure you, they aren't cheap. And they know how much to demand. laugh.gif

They ain't hired to serve you teh tarik or roti canai. laugh.gif
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Yeah. And 7/10 of them screws up your projects and you'll be fixing it.

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so....that's why ipoh gal all pretty?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:11 AM)
Malaysia is bad!!!

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2401&sec=nation
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Only ONE case? rolleyes.gif

Tell me how many road accidents per month and deaths resulting from road accidents.
Why not ban cars and bikes?

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I though combustible and explosive is slightly different in meaning?  hmm.gif
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It combust then exlodes lo. LOL split hair pulak. comel lah! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:11 AM)
Their nation is cheap with cheap books cheap meals and cheap accomodations and cheap lives. Look at their train is stuffed like cheap sardines.
Yet, nuclear!
No, but looking at statistics, I'd say Malaysia deserves more credit where its due regardless.
Electricity is not necessity too. its just luxury.  rolleyes.gif

Our present energy generation is based on fossil fuel, and small percentage on hydro dam (which changes the ecosystem badly)

LRT wheel drop? Tell me, how often did that happen?
Can you show me a consistent failure in LRT that causes death and great damage?
Car accidents and deaths on the road is even more consistent. So why dont you voice out on the complete ban in motorised vehicles?
Being self hypocrite is awesome, yes?
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lol... wtf... Nuclear plant need to leak once only to kill all the people... doh.gif

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QUOTE(samantha88 @ May 18 2010, 11:11 AM)
so....that's why ipoh gal all pretty?
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yeah, are you from Ipoh? if not, then nvm.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:11 AM)
Their nation is cheap with cheap books cheap meals and cheap accomodations and cheap lives. Look at their train is stuffed like cheap sardines.
Yet, nuclear!
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i dunno much bout their country... but in our country... anything tat gets controlled by <insert politicians>... it will end up getting screwed 1 way or the other... laugh.gif


QUOTE(Shijirarenai @ May 18 2010, 11:11 AM)
Yeah. And 7/10 of them screws up your projects and you'll be fixing it.
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this is true to certain circumstances... but still many hiring managers prefer indian programmers... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:14 AM)
lol... wtf... Nuclear plant need to leak once only to kill all the people... doh.gif
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Really? its that easy to leak?

tell me, KLCC only need to collapse ONCE to kill all the people.

Why is it still standing tall? You seriously think KLCC is 100% malaysian made?

Likewise, will the nuclear facility going to be 100% malaysian made? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:16 AM)
Really? its that easy to leak?

tell me, KLCC only need to collapse ONCE to kill all the people.

Why is it still standing tall? You seriously think KLCC is 100% malaysian made?

Likewise, will the nuclear facility going to be 100% malaysian made?  rolleyes.gif
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wtf... KLCC is not dangerous... it is a buiding... it won't fall because its not build by
Malaysian. And bad maintenance won't cause it to fall.

Nuclear facility will leak if not maintain properly. fffuuuuu....can you give better example?
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i dunno much bout their country... but in our country... anything tat gets controlled by <insert politicians>... it will end up getting screwed 1 way or the other... laugh.gif
this is true to certain circumstances... but still many hiring managers prefer indian programmers... laugh.gif
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Everything will be screwed like this. You win all lah, no need discuss anymore because you say like this loh
Take airplane sure collapse lo, because MAS is controleld by politicians mar

Go KLCC will die lo, because KLCC holdings got politicians in mar.


oh, Indian programmers are overrated actually. And most only know cheap programming languages like VB ASP PHP. LOL.
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Really? its that easy to leak?

tell me, KLCC only need to collapse ONCE to kill all the people.

Why is it still standing tall? You seriously think KLCC is 100% malaysian made?

Likewise, will the nuclear facility going to be 100% malaysian made?  rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:18 AM)
wtf... KLCC is not dangerous... it is a buiding... it won't fall because its not build by
Malaysian. And bad maintenance won't cause it to fall.

Nuclear facility will leak if not maintain properly. fffuuuuu....can you give better example?
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/419323
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1412765

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It combust then exlodes lo. LOL split hair pulak. comel lah!  laugh.gif
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Still different meaning.

If handle TNT, very high percentage u die even with protective gear.

If handle petroleum, you may have higher percentage of surviving if you have full protection gear.
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what about a dam? i dont see any dams crumbling down and killing people.
and coal power plants can blow up and kill people too. why it hasn't blown up?
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wtf... KLCC is not dangerous... it is a buiding... it won't fall because its not build by
Malaysian. And bad maintenance won't cause it to fall.

Nuclear facility will leak if not maintain properly. fffuuuuu....can you give better example?
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Bad maintenance wont cause it to fall because its infrastructure is made by foreigners with many check and balances and counter measures so human errors can be limited to a great extend.

Likewise, building a nuclear facility requires foreign expertise, in which check and balances will be put in place so that human errors will never cause leakages or failures no matter what. Other than direct bombardment via C4 or aerial bombing, you practically cant make a nuclear to fail just like this.

Similar to KLCC. whistling.gif

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ah-kow really like to tcss

since u like nuclear energy power

Just give the damm approval to military to purchase nuclear power submarine or nuclear power war ship.

we send the military as guinea-pig 1st. (they already verbal & written plegde to serve the country 1st)

If they success in maintaining the vehicle operational within Malaysia water. Then only we talk about generating electricity using nuclear power.

nuff said.

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Still different meaning.

If handle TNT, very high percentage u die even with protective gear.

If handle petroleum, you may have higher percentage of surviving if you have full protection gear.
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I notice now everyone a bit off topic.

Nuclear contamination as we all know kills you slowly, cause the gamma rays are very penetrative and it needs a few metres of lead at least to block it.


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ah-kow really like to tcss

since u like nuclear energy power

Just give the damm approval to military to purchase nuclear power submarine or nuclear power war ship.

we send the military as guinea-pig 1st. (they already verbal & written plegde to serve the country 1st)

If they success in maintaining the vehicle operational within Malaysia water. Then only we talk about generating electricity using nuclear power.

nuff said.
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what about a dam? i dont see any dams crumbling down and killing people.
and coal power plants can blow up and kill people too. why it hasn't blown up?
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dams bad maintenance won't cause it to crumbling down easily... furthermore, its not that dangerous... worse still is flooding that kill...

QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:22 AM)
Bad maintenance wont cause it to fall because its infrastructure is made by foreigners with many check and balances and counter measures so human errors can be limited to a great extend.

Likewise, building a nuclear facility requires foreign expertise, in which check and balances will be put in place so that human errors will never cause leakages or failures no matter what. Other than direct bombardment via C4 or aerial bombing, you practically cant make a nuclear to fail just like this.

Similar to KLCC.  whistling.gif
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u tok kok la... where got same.... nuclear power plant involve handling of material...etc.. we're not just talking about buiding the nuclear
plant building...

I just realised you're either troll or BN cybertrooper hired and paid by BN... please dun tok kok anymore...
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Thanks

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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:19 AM)
Everything will be screwed like this. You win all lah, no need discuss anymore because you say like this loh
Take airplane sure collapse lo, because MAS is controleld by politicians mar
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i didn't say the nuke will cause death/catastrophe/etc... the others are...

and screwing around this nuke reactor can affect a lot of things in the long run... for me... i don mind sitting back and watching it... laugh.gif
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I notice now everyone a bit off topic.

Nuclear contamination as we all know kills you slowly, cause the gamma rays are very penetrative and it needs a few metres of lead at least to block it.
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Not all gamma ray needs meters of lead to block it off and you can't 100% block off all the radiation.
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I notice now everyone a bit off topic.

Nuclear contamination as we all know kills you slowly, cause the gamma rays are very penetrative and it needs a few metres of lead at least to block it.
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Keep in mind on this : http://www-ns.iaea.org/standards/

The government of malaysia must allow inspectors into their facilities to audit it without restrictions.

Such strict adherence to standards of safety will prevent all those contamination thingy you're worried about.

Remember, Malaysia isnt north korea or iran where inspectors arent allowed to freely inspect and audit.
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Not all gamma ray needs meters of lead to block it off and you can't 100% block off all the radiation.
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Really?

Mind to elaborate on the different types of gamma rays?

I only reach form 6 physics, haven't reach university physics. tongue.gif

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dams bad maintenance won't cause it to crumbling down easily... furthermore, its not that dangerous... worse still is flooding that kill...
u tok kok la... where got same.... nuclear power plant involve handling of material...etc.. we're not just talking about buiding the nuclear
plant building...

Still its all about mission critical systems where lives are at stake.

Nuclear affects neighbouring countries too. And malaysia being a member of UN, CHOGM, ASEAN, WTF, KFC, MCD A&W, and those shit, you'd think other countries will easily allow us to have nuclear if we do not adhere to standards and audits?

You really think its that easy to screw things up? rolleyes.gif

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I just realised you're either troll or BN cybertrooper hired and paid by BN... please dun tok kok anymore...
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Really? You must be a PKR cybertrooper troll hired and paid by buttsexing anwar the sodomer. Please dont troll here

I speak with facts. Not farce like you.

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i didn't say the nuke will cause death/catastrophe/etc... the others are...

and screwing around this nuke reactor can affect a lot of things in the long run... for me... i don mind sitting back and watching it... laugh.gif
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Sure. Like the international community will automatically turns a blind eye on Malaysia.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:28 AM)
Keep in mind on this : http://www-ns.iaea.org/standards/

The government of malaysia must allow inspectors into their facilities to audit it without restrictions.

Such strict adherence to standards of safety will prevent all those contamination thingy you're worried about.

Remember, Malaysia isnt north korea or iran where inspectors arent allowed to freely inspect and audit.
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I remember that Malaysia government is secretive. Even Petronas account also cannot inspect. You think
they let other people inspect their nuclear plant?

Futhermore, any problem in nuclear plant will not be discussed in mass media. Malaysia is not a free country.
You can say its like North Korea. Same same.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:33 AM)
Still its all about mission critical systems where lives are at stake.

Nuclear affects neighbouring countries too. And malaysia being a member of UN, CHOGM, ASEAN, WTF, KFC, MCD A&W, and those shit, you'd think other countries will easily allow us to have nuclear if we do not adhere to standards and audits?

You really think its that easy to screw things up?  rolleyes.gif
Really? You must be a PKR cybertrooper troll hired and paid by buttsexing anwar the sodomer. Please dont troll here
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I hope to get money also for cybertroop for PKR...

ANyway, in Malaysia, anything can screw up.

Malaysia already langgar a lot of law. Example is human rights law. That's why until now, Suhakam no member.

You're saying you talk with facts when you equate Nuclear plant with KLCC? wtf!!!!!!!!!
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Sure. Like the international community will automatically turns a blind eye on Malaysia.
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nope but malaysia can bribe them...


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I remember that Malaysia government is secretive. Even Petronas account also cannot inspect. You think
they let other people inspect their nuclear plant?

Futhermore, any problem in nuclear plant will not be discussed in mass media. Malaysia is not a free country.
You can say its like North Korea. Same same.
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coffee money or ISA... choose 1... laugh.gif

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Go KLCC will die lo, because KLCC holdings got politicians in mar.
oh, Indian programmers are overrated actually. And most only know cheap programming languages like VB ASP PHP. LOL.
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You are wrong, I've worked in India. Their programming standard is way higher than us. There are so many Indians in Silicon valley and UK, most of them are working in Fortune 500 companies. Do you think VB AS PHP can survive there?

Even a graduate with a degree is difficult to look for a job. Double degree/masters is very common and this is the competition all over the nation. IT is all they got, this is why they learn programming languages since secondary school. India has the most IT Skill- workers in the world, and they are getting a very good pay for those who working in first world countries
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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ May 18 2010, 11:35 AM)
nope but malaysia can bribe them...
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Ah Kow just equate Nuclear Plant with KLCC... that tell us the fact that he'll come up with...
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I remember that Malaysia government is secretive. Even Petronas account also cannot inspect. You think
they let other people inspect their nuclear plant?

Futhermore, any problem in nuclear plant will not be discussed in mass media. Malaysia is not a free country.
You can say its like North Korea. Same same.
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Petronas account can cause deaths to people and to neighbouring countries?

your mind is fantastically imaginative to the most ridiculous extend.

Malaysia is still under UN and sanctions will be imposed.

You seriously think the nuclear plant will be 100% malaysian made and 100% maintained & managed by malaysians?
EVen your own household kids malaysians had to outsource to Indonesians...what makes you think a project this big can be handled by malaysians alone? I think you gave Malaysia too much credit ! laugh.gif
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You are wrong, I've worked in India. Their programming standard is way higher than us. There are so many Indians in Silicon valley and UK, most of them are working in Fortune 500 companies. Do you think VB AS PHP can survive there?

Even a graduate with a degree is difficult to look for a job. Double degree/masters is very common and this is the competition all over the nation. IT is all they got, this is why they learn programming languages since secondary school. India has the most IT Skill- workers in the world, and they are getting a very good pay for those who working in first world countries
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More people equals more competition.

More competition, people strive to be better.

Malaysia,....quota system. nuff said.
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QUOTE(lionelzc @ May 18 2010, 11:28 AM)
Really?

Mind to elaborate on the different types of gamma rays?

I only reach form 6 physics, haven't reach university physics. tongue.gif
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Depending on the gamma radiation energy, the transmission through shielding material will decrease according to the half value layer.

The higher the gamma radiation energy the more penetrating the gamma radiation and less penetrating for lower energy.

Say Cobalt-60 has gamma energy of about 1 Mev and Caesium-137 has gamma energy about 0.667 Mev. (Mev refers to Million electron-volts or energy in nuclear terms)

We have a lead block with thickness of 10 cm.

Since Co-60 is more penetrating than Cs-137, then more radiation is transmitted through the same 10cm lead block for Co-60 compared to Cs-137.




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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:37 AM)
Petronas account can cause deaths to people and to neighbouring countries?

your mind is fantastically imaginative to the most ridiculous extend.

Malaysia is still under UN and sanctions will be imposed.

You seriously think the nuclear plant will be 100% malaysian made and 100% maintained & managed by malaysians?
EVen your own household kids malaysians had to outsource to Indonesians...what makes you think a project this big can be handled by malaysians alone?  I think  you gave Malaysia too much credit !  laugh.gif
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%#&@*%&(&@%.....


Petronas account cannot cause death. But its example to what extend Malaysia government will do if something happened in the
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Malaysia is not under UN. LOL... you gave too much power to UN...

I'm not sure how many % of it made and maintain by Malaysia. Do you know?
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nope but malaysia can bribe them...
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You are wrong, I've worked in India. Their programming standard is way higher than us. There are so many Indians in Silicon valley and UK, most of them are working in Fortune 500 companies. Do you think VB AS PHP can survive there?

Even a graduate with a degree is difficult to look for a job. Double degree/masters is very common and this is the competition all over the nation. IT is all they got, this is why they learn programming languages since secondary school. India has the most IT Skill- workers in the world, and they are getting a very good pay for those who working in first world countries
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Really? So why so many indians still living in slums?

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Ah Kow just equate Nuclear Plant with KLCC... that tell us the fact that he'll come up with...
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Sure. You'll probably figure out that people cant simply collapse KLCC by bad maintenance..LOL

nuclear plants are even more complex than KLCC. Go figure
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You seriously think the nuclear plant will be 100% malaysian made and 100% maintained & managed by malaysians?
EVen your own household kids malaysians had to outsource to Indonesians...what makes you think a project this big can be handled by malaysians alone?  I think  you gave Malaysia too much credit !  laugh.gif
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mana tau outsource to bangla due to cheaper cost... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:33 AM)
Still its all about mission critical systems where lives are at stake.

Nuclear affects neighbouring countries too. And malaysia being a member of UN, CHOGM, ASEAN, WTF, KFC, MCD A&W, and those shit, you'd think other countries will easily allow us to have nuclear if we do not adhere to standards and audits?

You really think its that easy to screw things up?  rolleyes.gif
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stop ur bull crap la,

KLCC and a nuclear plant requires different management and handling procedures.

and yes, is that easy to screw things up when dealing with reactive plutonium whateva shiat.
once the fission started, it better be in a controlled rate
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You are wrong, I've worked in India. Their programming standard is way higher than us. There are so many Indians in Silicon valley and UK, most of them are working in Fortune 500 companies. Do you think VB AS PHP can survive there?

Even a graduate with a degree is difficult to look for a job. Double degree/masters is very common and this is the competition all over the nation. IT is all they got, this is why they learn programming languages since secondary school. India has the most IT Skill- workers in the world, and they are getting a very good pay for those who working in first world countries
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Gov should implement computer programming subject in secondary schools... Computer language is the future! cool2.gif

QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:37 AM)
Petronas account can cause deaths to people and to neighbouring countries?

your mind is fantastically imaginative to the most ridiculous extend.

Malaysia is still under UN and sanctions will be imposed.

You seriously think the nuclear plant will be 100% malaysian made and 100% maintained & managed by malaysians?
EVen your own household kids malaysians had to outsource to Indonesians...what makes you think a project this big can be handled by malaysians alone?  I think  you gave Malaysia too much credit !  laugh.gif
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Depending on the gamma radiation energy, the transmission through shielding material will decrease according to the half value layer.

The higher the gamma radiation energy the more penetrating the gamma radiation and less penetrating for lower energy.

Say Cobalt-60 has gamma energy of about 1 Mev and Caesium-137 has gamma energy about 0.667 Mev. (Mev refers to Million electron-volts or energy in nuclear terms)

We have a lead block with thickness of 10 cm.

Since Co-60 is more penetrating than Cs-137, then more radiation is transmitted through the same 10cm lead block for Co-60 compared to Cs-137.
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So it's not different types but energy value.

But there should be a max thickness for lead which can block most of the radiation.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:35 AM)
I hope to get money also for cybertroop for PKR...

ANyway, in Malaysia, anything can screw up.

Malaysia already langgar a lot of law. Example is human rights law. That's why until now, Suhakam no member.

You're saying you talk with facts when you equate Nuclear plant with KLCC? wtf!!!!!!!!!
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Sure. My daddy gets milllions for each post i made supporting UMNO. Good money.
In malaysia everything can be screwed up. So might as well get screwed up with radiation, at least you can grow claws like wolverine

KLCC is an analogy, that should murphy's law applies. Yet its still standing inspite of malaysia being shitty in maintenance.
and with the nuclear plant being made to current standards, its more sophisticated and advanced, thus it will take more than just "bad maintenance" to bring it down.
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%#&@*%&(&@%.....
Petronas account cannot cause death. But its example to what extend Malaysia government will do if something happened in the
plant.

Malaysia is not under UN. LOL... you gave too much power to UN...

I'm not sure how many % of it made and maintain by Malaysia. Do you know?
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Really? Malaysia not a UN member? WOW...you're so smart.

QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ May 18 2010, 11:41 AM)
mana tau outsource to bangla due to cheaper cost... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(lionelzc @ May 18 2010, 11:45 AM)
So it's not different types but energy value.

But there should be a max thickness for lead which can block most of the radiation.
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No there isn't any "maximum thickness" to block of 100% radiation... The lowest intensity people will work with is about 10% or one tenth of the gamma radiation value.

Besides the formula for radiation attenuation isuser posted image. So it's impossible to reach 0% radiation. You will need infinity shielding to block off all radiation.

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QUOTE(St.Daring @ May 18 2010, 11:42 AM)
stop ur bull crap la,

KLCC and a nuclear plant requires different management and handling procedures.

and yes, is that easy to screw things up when dealing with reactive plutonium whateva shiat.
once the fission started, it better be in a controlled rate
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Precisely. With shit management and handling KLCC still stands.
What more can you say on nuclear plants???

Still dont get the logic, stupid? laugh.gif

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Gov should implement computer programming subject in secondary schools... Computer language is the future!  cool2.gif
UTM is planning a course in nuclear engineering. Don't know when it's going to happen.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:46 AM)
Sure. My daddy gets milllions for each post i made supporting UMNO. Good money.
In malaysia everything can be screwed up. So might as well get screwed up with radiation, at least you can grow claws like wolverine

KLCC is an analogy, that should murphy's law applies. Yet its still standing inspite of malaysia being shitty in maintenance.
and with the nuclear plant being made to current standards, its more sophisticated and advanced, thus it will take more than just "bad maintenance" to bring it down.

Really? Malaysia not a UN member? WOW...you're so smart. 
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may I know which dupe are you? I thought you're cow but when you debate, I feel you're quite a hardy person...
I think I surrender now before I got addicted debate with you...and you talk about UMNO and PKR, I sure know where
you coming from...

and about UN thingy, I'm not saying Malaysia is not UN member. I'm just saying UN is not really powerful....

but i do want to know which dupe are you? are you new cybertrooper? i long time no talk in kopitiam... i feel there's
some new cybertrooper here...
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:49 AM)
Precisely. With shit management and handling KLCC still stands.
What more can you say on nuclear plants???

Still dont get the logic, stupid?  laugh.gif
Sure. Nuclear atoms will be made racists and attack a particular pendatang only. Oh shi....
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there's no logic to equate KLCC bad maintenance and nuclear plant bad maintenance...

And why you bring racism in this thread!!!??? I know what is your race when you say PKR
and UMNO. But I never know you're going to race here.... mad.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:49 AM)
may I know which dupe are you? I thought you're cow but when you debate, I feel you're quite a hardy person...
I think I surrender now before I got addicted debate with you...and you talk about UMNO and PKR, I sure know where
you coming from...

Oh, dupe or not no care la.
I provide alternative argument rather than just follow the crowd and simply agree agree agree mindlessly without giving some differing views of a devils advocate.

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and about UN thingy, I'm not saying Malaysia is not UN member. I'm just saying UN is not really powerful....

The most powerful member in UN is USA.
Think they will sit quietly?

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but i do want to know which dupe are you? are you new cybertrooper? i long time no talk in kopitiam... i feel there's
some new cybertrooper here...
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does it matter? i;m not even trolling you.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:52 AM)
does it matter? i;m not even trolling you.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:52 AM)
there's no logic to equate KLCC bad maintenance and nuclear plant bad maintenance...

Logic is KLCC is made by foreigners. Maintenance by locals. Yet the infra is solid insipite of being locally maintained and probably not even audited.

Nuclear facility being made by foreigners, with even stricter standards to follow, and under watch by UN/USA iaea KFC, MCD or those shit.
Dont simply assume that just because our government is crap and malaysians are crap, disaster WILL follow.

Things arent as fragile as you think it is.

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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:49 AM)
Precisely. With shit management and handling KLCC still stands.
What more can you say on nuclear plants???

Still dont get the logic, stupid?  laugh.gif
Sure. Nuclear atoms will be made racists and attack a particular pendatang only. Oh shi....
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only an idiot would compare building a nuclear plant with KLCC/burger stall, no need elaborate further on that. period.
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QUOTE(marsupilami @ May 18 2010, 11:52 AM)
patut la Bukit Merah Arowana so colorful!
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 11:54 AM)
no no.. I'm not saying u troll me. I just want to get to know you so that we can be friend.
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UITM mar.
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anyway, hope we can be friend even though you racing...
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QUOTE(St.Daring @ May 18 2010, 11:55 AM)
only an idiot would compare building a nuclear plant with KLCC/burger stall, no need elaborate further on that. period.
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Proven to be stupid by you for not realizing the ramifications behind the nuclear projects with the KLCC analogy.

Well, take your time. your brain is at 166MHz only.
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It took only one breach in protocol to cause a huge accident/meltdown which affects many generations to come. rendering the land and tens of kms unlivable. people living nearby must be relocated, with high risk of cancers in decades to come.

for KLCC. the worse would be... it collapse. killing thousands inside. The same land reused as memorial. ppl nearby continue to do what they do nearby area.
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haiya, if I know you're from UITM, then I surely know you will race...

anyway, hope we can be friend even though you racing...
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ May 18 2010, 11:57 AM)
It took only one breach in protocol to cause a huge accident/meltdown which affects many generations to come. rendering the land and tens of kms unlivable. people living nearby must be relocated, with high risk of cancers in decades to come.

for KLCC. the worse would be... it collapse. killing thousands inside. The same land reused as memorial. ppl nearby continue to do what they do nearby area.
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Question:

Will the nuclear plant be that flimsy that a meltdown is that easy? (based on current standards of nuclear infrastructure)


For KLCC, its not about the effect of damage. Its abt the strength of its infrastructure.

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If you dont embrace the challenge and step out of your comfort zone, you will never progress.

Its always better than to sit idle and wait for perfection which never comes. By then you'll be obsolete.

Correct way is to go out, embrace challenge, and improvise as you move ahead, then and only then, will you see progress and advancements.
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Embrace the challenge is a must for human being survival.

Unfortunately this is Malaysia.
There is not enough data or successful handling activities to justify whether malaysian capable to accept this kind of feat.
Our education suck
Our technology all import
Our manpower mostly useless
Even submarine can't dive
and wait....the submarine maintainance....totally no expertise (we only good in paying other ppl than self-acquire skill)
Our law being turn-around by fools
Malaysian totally can't take own responsibility (everytime use $$$ to settle any wrong-doing). Please don't play a fool in nuclear technology, any mishandling or mishap are unreversable.

I suggesting to use the nuclear technology in small scale 1st before we embark to bigger scale. Don't let ur small head over-rule ur big head.

nuf said

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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:58 AM)
Question:

Will the nuclear plant be that flimsy that a meltdown is that easy? (based on current standards of nuclear infrastructure)
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Nuclear meltdown is rare nowadays due to advancement in safety and design... Most current accidents are nuclear leakage and bad maintenance...
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QUOTE(lionelzc @ May 18 2010, 11:45 AM)
So it's not different types but energy value.

But there should be a max thickness for lead which can block most of the radiation.
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in practical aspect...ok..I had experience dealing with high activity Co-60 radiographic testing source, in the normal emergency procedure, if the source can,t be retract back to the container, we'll got to surround the source using lead block of about 10cm to block about 99% of the radiation...

And the source container,for sure it's made of lead, is not so thick up to metres laa..
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ May 18 2010, 11:59 AM)
I suggesting to use the nuclear technology in small scale 1st before we embark to bigger scale. Don't let ur small head over-rule ur big head.

nuf said
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Malaysia have a research nuclear reactor in Bangi owned by Malaysia Nuclear Agency... Operating since the 80ies

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ May 18 2010, 11:57 AM)
It took only one breach in protocol to cause a huge accident/meltdown which affects many generations to come. rendering the land and tens of kms unlivable. people living nearby must be relocated, with high risk of cancers in decades to come.

for KLCC. the worse would be... it collapse. killing thousands inside. The same land reused as memorial. ppl nearby continue to do what they do nearby area.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 11:58 AM)
Question:

Will the nuclear plant be that flimsy that a meltdown is that easy? (based on current standards of nuclear infrastructure)
For KLCC, its not about the effect of damage. Its abt the strength of its infrastructure.
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I think alanyuppie trying to say that the number of people die or sick is less compare to nuclear accident...
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ May 18 2010, 11:59 AM)
Embrace the challenge is a must for human being survival.

Unfortunately this is Malaysia.
There is not enough data or successful handling activities to justify whether malaysian capable to accept this kind of feat.
Our education suck
Our technology all import
Our manpower mostly useless
Even submarine can't dive
and wait....the submarine maintainance....totally no expertise (we only good in paying other ppl than self-acquire skill)
Our law being turn-around by fools
Malaysian totally can't take own responsibility (everytime use $$$ to settle any wrong-doing). Please don't play a fool in nuclear technology, any mishandling or mishap are unreversable.

I suggesting to use the nuclear technology in small scale 1st before we embark to bigger scale. Don't let ur small head over-rule ur big head.

nuf said
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Sure. And when you take the MAS/AirAsia, you;ll die 80% of the time too. Malaysia is indeed a doomed nation.
So even nuclear tech in small scale, can cause a complete demise, because malaysia boleh escalate into huge nuclear explosion that wipe us all out. Feel good!

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Nuclear meltdown is rare nowadays due to advancement in safety and design... Most current accidents are nuclear leakage and bad maintenance...
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With advancement in safety and design and infra, the question is, will it be that easily screwed up just because its in malaysian soil? And how can we prove it is? By using isolated cases isn't strong enough.

One need to prove that it WILL cause such devastating failure if it is in malaysia.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 12:04 PM)

With advancement in safety and design and infra, the question is, will it be that easily screwed up just because its in malaysian soil? And how can we prove it is? By using isolated cases isn't strong enough.

One need to prove  that it WILL cause such devastating failure if it is in malaysia.
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If other countries can have accidents, why not in Malaysia.

Not against nuclear, just that I hate bad management and dirty politics... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 18 2010, 01:02 PM)
I think alanyuppie trying to say that the number of people die or sick is less compare to nuclear accident...
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I wont start on "if shit happens..." if I am convinced our gov is stable/minimally corrupted presently. Just look at our many glorious projects all over the country. How many suffers from inferior materials provided by crony firms. How many end up with shoddy quality and requiring even more funds to fix. How many "quality" workers we have here in ensuring these projects are smoothly in operation. In a nuclear power plant, there is NO ROOM FOR ERROR. I don't care how many gazillions of watts it can generate. I don't care it end up being 10% or less than expected efficiency. I worry about "that shit" that might be caused by a simple breach in protocol by a single "lowly"/low moraled staff and long term effect.

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If other countries can have accidents, why not in Malaysia.

Not against nuclear, just that I hate bad management and dirty politics... biggrin.gif
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Show some info on 21st century please.

Keep in mind that nuclear tech will be outsourced and managed by foreign companies. Nothing critical will be handled by those so called lazy malaysians.

yes, in the whole world, malaysian are the only creatures being lazy, stupid, and error prone. You're great to demean yourself too, malaysian.
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we should gather a group to go againts nuclear power plant in malaysia.
y not go for solar power plant?? we have so much of sunlight here in malaysia..
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QUOTE(isma45 @ May 18 2010, 12:15 PM)
we should gather a group to go againts nuclear power plant in malaysia.
y not go for solar power plant?? we have so much of sunlight here in malaysia..
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Really? solar panels production have bad by products. And the efficiency is very low. And we dont have sun 24hrs.
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Malaysia have a research nuclear reactor in Bangi owned by Malaysia Nuclear Agency... Operating since the 80ies
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Research and daily operational activities is different.

Research can control even minute variance.

Daily operational subject to harsh and actual environment.
If everyone think research can perfectly emulate 100% result as per in earth environment, then the world forcast weather will be 101% accurate.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 10:41 AM)
Says who?

India has lots of skilled workers especially when they have many nuclear plants.

Besides, its stupid to link nuclear disaster to just not having skills to maintain locally. Shallow minded people will spit out shit like yours without doing further research into the feasibility of the entire initiative.
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You are blardy idiot. Proton can't fix the power windows in 30 years. You think with this kinda mentality and attitude we can handle a nuke plant?? Sometimes, it's not so much of skills, but rather the attitude. With all this 'Tidak Apa' attitude running rampant, nuke plant is GUARANTEED DISASTER.

A.R.E case is already proven that with corruptions and a little duit kopi can do.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 12:11 PM)
Show some info on 21st century please.

Keep in mind that nuclear tech will be outsourced and managed by foreign companies. Nothing critical will be handled by those so called lazy malaysians.
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15 February 2000
New York's Indian Point II power plant vented a small amount of radioactive steam when a an aging steam generator ruptured. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission initially reported that no radioactive material was released, but later changed their report to say that there was a leak, but not of a sufficient amount to threaten public safety.

6 March 2002
Workers discovered a foot-long cavity eaten into the reactor vessel head at the Davis-Besse nuclear plant in Ohio. Borated water had corroded the metal to a 3/16 inch stainless steel liner which held back over 80,000 gallons of highly pressurized radioactive water. In April 2005 the Nuclear Regulatory Commission proposed fining plant owner First Energy 5.4 million dollars for their failure to uncover the problem sooner (similar problems plaguing other plants were already known within the industry), and also proposed banning System Engineer Andrew Siemaszko from working in the industry for five years due to his falsifying reactor vessel logs. As of this writing the fine and suspension were under appeal.

Nov 2005
High tritium levels, the result of leaking pipes, were discovered to have contaminated groundwater immediately adjacent to the Braidwood Generating Station in Braceville, Illinois.
http://www.lutins.org/nukes.html

Nuclear accidents still happen in the 21 century... Just that not many and they are from overseas too.

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yes, in the whole world, malaysian are the only creatures being lazy, stupid, and error prone. You're great to demean yourself too, malaysian.
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SO you are not Malaysian ar?

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Really? solar panels production have bad by products. And the efficiency is very low. And we dont have sun 24hrs.
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There was a topic on nuclear and solar ---> http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1412765/+0
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Really? solar panels production have bad by products. And the efficiency is very low. And we dont have sun 24hrs.
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duhh.. then how r u goin 2 treat those nuclear waste?? sun is yes not 24 hours..but for goodness sake its cleaner n no hazardous waste.. demmit do ur hw 1st..

and fyi we already have several solar panel produce in malaysia..

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...&sec=southneast
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Research and daily operational activities is different.

Research can control even minute variance.

Daily operational subject to harsh and actual environment.
If everyone think research can perfectly emulate 100% result as per in earth environment, then the world forcast weather will be 101% accurate.
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MNA research reactor is not for power generation... It's not built for emulating nuclear power plants.
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Seriously, are we running out of power? I thought the dams in Sarawak is actually over producing?? The problem is how to get some of those surplus power over to West Malaysia.
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QUOTE(isma45 @ May 18 2010, 12:24 PM)
duhh.. then how r u goin 2 treat those nuclear waste?? sun is yes not 24 hours..but for goodness sake its cleaner n no hazardous waste.. demmit do ur hw 1st..

and fyi we already have several solar panel produce in malaysia..

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...&sec=southneast
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Yeah, many still mushrooming around Malaysia but no actual solar power plant yet hmm.gif
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Seriously, are we running out of power? I thought the dams in Sarawak is actually over producing?? The problem is how to get some of those surplus power over to West Malaysia.
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Underwater sea cables? hmm.gif

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Yeah, many still mushrooming around Malaysia but no actual solar power plant yet  hmm.gif
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ask our gov la..whats the used of all these factory if gov blatantly wanna go 4 nuclear power plant?

up to date all u can see is the solar powered parking meter.. heh sweat.gif
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QUOTE(isma45 @ May 18 2010, 12:30 PM)
ask our gov la..whats the used of all these factory if gov blatantly wanna go 4 nuclear power plant?

up to date all u can see is the solar powered parking meter.. heh sweat.gif
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You are blardy idiot. Proton can't fix the power windows in 30 years. You think with this kinda mentality and attitude we can handle a nuke plant?? Sometimes, it's not so much of skills, but rather the attitude. With all this 'Tidak Apa' attitude running rampant, nuke plant is GUARANTEED DISASTER.

A.R.E case is already proven that with corruptions and a little duit kopi can do.
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Nuclear plant you really think is all local? Think!

QUOTE(altan @ May 18 2010, 12:23 PM)
http://www.lutins.org/nukes.html

Nuclear accidents still happen in the 21 century... Just that not many and they are from overseas too.
SO you are not Malaysian ar?
There was a topic on nuclear and solar ---> http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1412765/+0
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QUOTE(isma45 @ May 18 2010, 12:24 PM)
duhh.. then how r u goin 2 treat those nuclear waste?? sun is yes not 24 hours..but for goodness sake its cleaner n no hazardous waste.. demmit do ur hw 1st..

and fyi we already have several solar panel produce in malaysia..

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...&sec=southneast
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no one talk about...

wind power
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ocean wave power
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no one talk about...

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Rubbish

with the present corruption of government and laziness to maintenance, these things will collapse and cause great polution to ocean life.
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Btw, how come 12 dam in sarawak can not supply whole malaysia with enough energy... That why I think nuclear power is not relevant yet to Malaysia..
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we can just make underwater power cables from sarawak to the peninsular


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we can just make underwater power cables from sarawak to the peninsular
oh wai-
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Malaysia shelves plans for undersea power cable

By EILEEN NG

KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA

Malaysia's government has shelved plans to build an undersea power cable linking its part of Borneo to the mainland, a project slammed by critics as unsafe and expensive, officials said Tuesday.

The 440 mile- (700 kilometer) long cable was supposed to supply surplus power from the Bakun hydroelectric dam in Sarawak state in Borneo to mainland Malaysia.

The Southeast Asian nation's energy usage is expected to continue rising as its population grows and the government is seeking new sources of power to ensure it has plenty of spare capacity to cope with increasing peak demand.

Che Khalib Mohamad Noh, the chief executive of state-owned energy firm Tenaga Nasional, said the cable plan has been shelved as Sarawak is now expected to absorb all the surplus power because of rapid industrial development in the state.

But he said the government still views the submarine cable plan as an option for the future given that Sarawak -- the biggest state in Malaysia -- has potential to generate up to 20,000 megawatts in hydroelectricity from its rivers in addition to the 2,400 megawatts from Bakun.

"The project is shelved for the time being. Nonetheless, the government is still looking at options to bringing power from Sarawak to peninsular Malaysia," he told reporters.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 10:59 AM)
Question:
Why are there more poverty in India than in Malaysia?

Why are malaysian infrastructure is way better than in India?


Added on May 18, 2010, 11:00 amBesides, Indian programmers aren't any better. They're just CHEAP.
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Btw, who say Indian dont have many professional.. they have great doctor, programmer and engineer..
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wah.. so many investigator come tat time all say tak pass ah? so now they wanna built again.. proposal bagus.. but product yg keluar nanti cap belang semua yer.. tahan selama 1 tahun then rekah here and there.. then leak here and there.. then kabooom.. Armageddon!!!!
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Did you take programing class? Indian has the one of the best programmers around. Man do research before you bark like a dog.
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No wor. I take physcis and modern maths class.

but i do know they are also alot of crap programmers around among them.

Yes...its crap and lots of head bomping.
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wah.. so many investigator come tat time all say tak pass ah? so now they wanna built again.. proposal bagus.. but product yg keluar nanti cap belang semua yer.. tahan selama 1 tahun then rekah here and there.. then leak here and there.. then kabooom.. Armageddon!!!!
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Armageddon or not, it will happen sooner or later with our current government anyway.
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http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9FKJ6GG0.htm

Malaysia shelves plans for undersea power cable

By EILEEN NG

KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA

Malaysia's government has shelved plans to build an undersea power cable linking its part of Borneo to the mainland, a project slammed by critics as unsafe and expensive, officials said Tuesday.

The 440 mile- (700 kilometer) long cable was supposed to supply surplus power from the Bakun hydroelectric dam in Sarawak state in Borneo to mainland Malaysia.

The Southeast Asian nation's energy usage is expected to continue rising as its population grows and the government is seeking new sources of power to ensure it has plenty of spare capacity to cope with increasing peak demand.

Che Khalib Mohamad Noh, the chief executive of state-owned energy firm Tenaga Nasional, said the cable plan has been shelved as Sarawak is now expected to absorb all the surplus power because of rapid industrial development in the state.

But he said the government still views the submarine cable plan as an option for the future given that Sarawak -- the biggest state in Malaysia -- has potential to generate up to 20,000 megawatts in hydroelectricity from its rivers in addition to the 2,400 megawatts from Bakun.

"The project is shelved for the time being. Nonetheless, the government is still looking at options to bringing power from Sarawak to peninsular Malaysia," he told reporters.
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the cost weight to the risk of building a nuclear reactor is much better .. as hydro is clean and renewable.. nuclear although is "clean" but not renewable and very high risk with the building maintenance mindset of malaysian..
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Armageddon or not, it will happen sooner or later with our current government anyway.
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good point... so juz go ahead with the nuke plant... nod.gif
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YEs. and malaysia had none?
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No wor. I take physcis and modern maths class.

but i do know they are also alot of crap programmers around among them.

Yes...its crap and lots of head bomping.
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so many malaysians here very afraid of this nuclear thingy

i oso scared yor..

for a long years i've been brainwashed by medias that nuclear is very2 dangerous

but i didnt know that Malaysia already tested small-scaled nuclear reactor in Bangi, done by Agensi Nuklear Malaysia (formerly known as MINT)

http://www.nuclearmalaysia.gov.my/

this facility is near UKM Bangi...1st and the only known reactor is TRIGA Mark II in 1982...today, i dont know...maybe they got others but put it under secret



well, if this nuclear reactor is very dangerous, & because UKM is very very near the facility, & plus /k/tards already summarized that malaysian local maintenance worker is inefficient aka lazy+stupid, we can assume that UKM fellows will be among those that potentially has been infected by radioactive...


so, did anybody knows somebody from UKM that has become wolverine or something...???
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good point... so juz go ahead with the nuke plant... nod.gif
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Nuclear energy is a direct waste of time in our country. We are not at that stage where we are prepared to hold the responsibility of running, managing and over-seeing a nuclear plant let alone several.

We just don't have the man-power or the education and/or experience to facilitate a nuclear plant. Even if you bring in foreign workers, how long do you think they are going to sit there and baby sit us. Moreover, looking at the work attitude of Malaysians, it is definately not a good idea.

Until we have a programme or courses dedicated to nuclear energy that enable Malaysian's under/post-grads to allow them to have a hands-on approach regarding nuclear plants; eg nuclear engineers and such. Only then, A PLAN to build a nuclear reactor should be considered.

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but why as all of us is malaysian ourselves dun believe in our own county's skill ..... perhaps it is better monitoring needed if the maintenance is problematic doh.gif

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QUOTE(coolingwater @ May 18 2010, 01:12 PM)
Nuclear energy is a direct waste of time in our country. We are not at that stage where we are prepared to hold the responsibility of running, managing and over-seeing a nuclear plant let alone several.

We just don't have the man-power or the education and/or experience to facilitate a nuclear plant. Even if you bring in foreign workers, how long do you think they are going to sit there and baby sit us. Moreover, looking at the work attitude of Malaysians, it is definately not a good idea.

Until we have a programme or courses dedicated to nuclear energy that enable Malaysian's under/post-grads to allow them to have a hands-on approach regarding nuclear plants; eg nuclear engineers and such. Only then, A PLAN to build a nuclear reactor should be considered.

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jus try to check here.. they r hiring them--> salary darn high usd90+k-->atomic job

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Oh, thanks for the link...ive yet to see it. Cheers
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QUOTE(coolingwater @ May 18 2010, 01:12 PM)
Nuclear energy is a direct waste of time in our country. We are not at that stage where we are prepared to hold the responsibility of running, managing and over-seeing a nuclear plant let alone several.

We just don't have the man-power or the education and/or experience to facilitate a nuclear plant. Even if you bring in foreign workers, how long do you think they are going to sit there and baby sit us. Moreover, looking at the work attitude of Malaysians, it is definately not a good idea.

Until we have a programme or courses dedicated to nuclear energy that enable Malaysian's under/post-grads to allow them to have a hands-on approach regarding nuclear plants; eg nuclear engineers and such. Only then, A PLAN to build a nuclear reactor should be considered.

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we already have small-scaled nuclear reactor, tested since 1982

Pakistan mentality is not far different than Malaysia

some /k/tards thinks that Pakistani are even worst in their mentality


yet they even have not just a nuclear reactor, but also a nuclear weapon





are we worst than Pakis............????




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When do I say Malaysia have none..  I just don't like the idea to look down at other country...
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Looking at majority of posts, here, they are all implying malaysian had none, worse than india.
Thats why india got nuke plants, malaysia should not have laugh.gif

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Why dont you go and check how many indians working with microsoft compare to malaysian.
Dont be ignorant mate.
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are we worst than Pakis............????
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PKR cybertroopers here think it is. Pakis got alyssa kwan and jane lo li too.
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most comment here knows little or nothing about nuclear energy and bash straight away

u guys should read real books instead of tabloids

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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 18 2010, 01:11 PM)
so many malaysians here very afraid of this nuclear thingy

i oso scared yor..

for a long years i've been brainwashed by medias that nuclear is very2 dangerous

but i didnt know that Malaysia already tested small-scaled nuclear reactor in Bangi, done by Agensi Nuklear Malaysia (formerly known as MINT)

http://www.nuclearmalaysia.gov.my/

this facility is near UKM Bangi...1st and the only known reactor is TRIGA Mark II in 1982...today, i dont know...maybe they got others but put it under secret
well, if this nuclear reactor is very dangerous, & because UKM is very very near the facility, & plus /k/tards already summarized that malaysian local maintenance worker is inefficient aka lazy+stupid, we can assume that UKM fellows will be among those that potentially has been infected by radioactive...
so, did anybody knows somebody from UKM that has become wolverine or something...???
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Please bear in mind
Inside research facility, the reactor is not running 24hours daily, 7days a week, 365days a year

If you think UKM Bangi capable to use nuclear reactor to generate electricity, just ask them to build a facilities to generate electricity for UKM comsuption. And then UKM can generate more capable supporting industries that can be run by professional ppl like Altan (I don't like rent seeker ppl like PEKEMA or PERKASA idiot-dog ppl ruining our beloved country)




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Looking at majority of posts, here, they are all implying malaysian had none, worse than india.
Thats why india got nuke plants, malaysia should not have  laugh.gif
True. With indian programmers, nuclear plants will be developed with ease, thats why india got so many nuke plants developed by indian programmers. Kudos!
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u r the 1 who started comparing KLCC with Nuke plants and now u r going sarcastic with Software development and nuke plants... nais logic... rclxms.gif

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but why as all of us is malaysian ourselves dun believe in our own county's skill ..... perhaps it is better monitoring needed if the maintenance is problematic doh.gif
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The best already headed the call " U tak suka U keluar"
While the worst don't work hard and still claimed that meritocracy rob their rights.
How can we trust our future generation in the hand of knowing nothing and non-capable?

nuf said

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u r the 1 who started comparing KLCC with Nuke plants and now u r going sarcastic with Software development and nuke plants... nais logic... rclxms.gif
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ok

so how about pakis nuclear programme...???

is it safe to say that local malaysians generally are worst than the extremist (as media always potrayed) muslim pakis...???
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What is wrong with this country's plan to build nuclear power plant?
First submarine failed to submerge. Buildings build fall apart after less than 1 year. Lousy way of managing things when it comes to waste. Top in all the bad things in the world ( corruption, accident rate, no soft skill, etc)
Hah! Now you wana build a... nuclear power plant? Oh pls don't dream if your "people" can't even manage themselves.
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ May 18 2010, 01:42 PM)
The best already headed the call " U tak suka U keluar"
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as a result... many did...


QUOTE(keown83 @ May 18 2010, 01:45 PM)
so how about pakis nuclear programme...???

is it safe to say that local malaysians generally are worst than the extremist (as media always potrayed) muslim pakis...???
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Pakistan has been contributing and regularly participating in CERN's project... any Malaysians have...?

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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ May 18 2010, 01:42 PM)
The best already headed the call " U tak suka U keluar"
While the worst don't work hard and still claimed that meritocracy rob their rights.
How can we trust our future generation in the hand of knowing nothing and non-capable?

nuf said
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i smell something fishy here cool2.gif

what, u already made ur mind that the construction will sure been made by bumis, no...???

& u believe that the maintenance, for sure been done by bumis, no...??

& because its been run by bumis locals, so it must be sucks to the core, no...???


i see what u did there brows.gif


LOL




i wonder whats ur point of view will gonna be if the nuclear programme will be run by, let say, YTL, or Berjaya... hmm.gif


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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ May 18 2010, 01:46 PM)
First submarine failed to submerge. Buildings build fall apart after less than 1 year. Lousy way of managing things when it comes to waste. Top in all the bad things in the world ( corruption, accident rate, no soft skill, etc)
Hah! Now you wana build a... nuclear power plant? Oh pls don't dream if your "people" can't even manage themselves.
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err... talking bout the section 14 case...? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 18 2010, 02:45 PM)
ok

so how about pakis nuclear programme...???

is it safe to say that local malaysians generally are worst than the extremist (as media always potrayed) muslim pakis...???
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let's just assume MOST typical wage-earners malaysians are dedicated in their job, do you trust the politicians behind the scheme? From the initiation of the project until the operations of the facility. Can you sure in the long run, no discrepancies are slowly accumulating into a full blown nuclear crisis, caused by inferior materials or unregulated/overriden procedures (for eg. a YB wants his lazy/incompetent nephew to lead a certain department in the plant). Don't forget, at this side of Malaysia.. we're just a size of a "ubi kayu", if shit happens. that will render a fraction of this land to unusable.



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ni kalau perdana menteri apek mesti tak kisah nak buat power plant nuklear ni.
tukar kerajaan cepat. flex.gif
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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 18 2010, 01:50 PM)
i wonder whats ur point of view will gonna be if the nuclear programme will be run by, let say, YTL, or Berjaya... hmm.gif
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HSBB project isn't ran by YTL or Berjaya... is it good...? LOLZ

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QUOTE(penmarker @ May 18 2010, 01:51 PM)
ni kalau perdana menteri apek mesti tak kisah nak buat power plant nuklear ni.
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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 18 2010, 01:50 PM)
i smell something fishy here cool2.gif

what, u already made ur mind that the construction will sure been made by bumis, no...???

& u believe that the maintenance, for sure been done by bumis, no...??

& because its been run by bumis locals, so it must be sucks to the core, no...???
i see what u did there brows.gif
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i wonder whats ur point of view will gonna be if the nuclear programme will be run by, let say, YTL, or Berjaya... hmm.gif
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u r the 1 who started comparing KLCC with Nuke plants and now u r going sarcastic with Software development and nuke plants... nais logic... rclxms.gif
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you still missed the point. laugh.gif

KLCC was built and designed by foreigners. Its awesome because of that. Does it still escape you now?
Despite crappy government policies and corrupt officials and companies, KLCC still stands tall.
So dont assume that just because its nuclear something must go bad if its in malaysian soil. Its like saying because malaysians are so corrupt, nothing build in here will lasts.

And this you're also telling me that malaysia is doomed not to have any professionals and capable people at all, and this includes you! whistling.gif
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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ May 18 2010, 01:52 PM)
HSBB project isn't ran by YTL or Berjaya... is it good...? LOLZ
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as I saw in HSBB thread lately, i think for a time being its still good... rclxms.gif

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YTL get 10% approval
will increase to 20% if no GLC or gomen or political cronies & rent seeker ever take any shares within YTL utilities company

BERJAYA never approve (see my siggy no4)
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sorry, my bad...didnt read carefully tongue.gif

ok
so both company is also gomen cronies

& let say if they get the job from gomen through backdoor

& let say no political cronies & rent seeker involved

so no more concern about sucking & lazy ass local malaysian workers...??? hmm.gif

will u approve...??

no more %, just a simple yes or no please

whats your say then, mate...???

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do we really need nuclear plant?
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 02:01 PM)
you still missed the point.  laugh.gif

KLCC was built and designed by foreigners. Its awesome because of that. Does it still escape you now?
Despite crappy government policies and corrupt officials and companies, KLCC still stands tall.
So dont assume that just because its nuclear something must go bad if its in malaysian soil. Its like saying because malaysians are so corrupt, nothing build in here will lasts.

And this you're also telling me that malaysia is doomed not to have any professionals and capable people at all, and this includes you!  whistling.gif
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and u missed the point and fact comparing building KLCC tower and handling radioactive waste which are 2 diff things... and it's not the nuke plant building we are all worried about... it's the material used... and how it will change the malaysia economic structure... icon_rolleyes.gif


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as I saw in HSBB thread lately, i think for a time being its still good... rclxms.gif
ok, but thats their approval...
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QUOTE(jali_sean @ May 18 2010, 02:21 PM)
do we really need nuclear plant?
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hypothetically, it's supposed to replace our old coal/steam plants...

juz like replacing our copper/PSTN phone network to fiber optic network... only the stakes are much higher... hmm.gif
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if i reveal the companies tat helped developed it i'll see if u can still call it good... laugh.gif
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who..???

huawei or alcatel...???

they sucks...???

ps: i dono much bout this HSBB unsure.gif
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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 18 2010, 01:11 PM)
so many malaysians here very afraid of this nuclear thingy

i oso scared yor..

for a long years i've been brainwashed by medias that nuclear is very2 dangerous

but i didnt know that Malaysia already tested small-scaled nuclear reactor in Bangi, done by Agensi Nuklear Malaysia (formerly known as MINT)

http://www.nuclearmalaysia.gov.my/

this facility is near UKM Bangi...1st and the only known reactor is TRIGA Mark II in 1982...today, i dont know...maybe they got others but put it under secret
well, if this nuclear reactor is very dangerous, & because UKM is very very near the facility, & plus /k/tards already summarized that malaysian local maintenance worker is inefficient aka lazy+stupid, we can assume that UKM fellows will be among those that potentially has been infected by radioactive...
so, did anybody knows somebody from UKM that has become wolverine or something...???
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Nuclear energy is a direct waste of time in our country. We are not at that stage where we are prepared to hold the responsibility of running, managing and over-seeing a nuclear plant let alone several.

We just don't have the man-power or the education and/or experience to facilitate a nuclear plant. Even if you bring in foreign workers, how long do you think they are going to sit there and baby sit us. Moreover, looking at the work attitude of Malaysians, it is definately not a good idea.

Until we have a programme or courses dedicated to nuclear energy that enable Malaysian's under/post-grads to allow them to have a hands-on approach regarding nuclear plants; eg nuclear engineers and such. Only then, A PLAN to build a nuclear reactor should be considered.

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do we really need nuclear plant?
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no.. they should invest in renewable technologies.. wat happen to suria home? where every house roof is install with solar panel.. tat way.. u got million of solar panel.. own use and national grid usage.. incinerator plant was shelve because pollution and saying malaysian dont have the midset to maintain it.. so wat make them think they can handle nuclear? incinerator (win win --> rubbish diposal+ energy provider)
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and u missed the point and fact comparing building KLCC tower and handling radioactive waste which are 2 diff things... and it's not the nuke plant building we are all worried about... it's the material used... and how it will change the malaysia economic structure... icon_rolleyes.gif
if i reveal the companies tat helped developed it i'll see if u can still call it good... laugh.gif
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I am not even comparing on the details of construction and purpose of buildings, so your point is irrelevant.

I'm talking about outsourcing of construction, maintenance, management solutions in getting the facility up and running, similar to what happen to KLCC.

As i said, just because it is in malaysia doesn't mean things must go bad. Almost every workforce here is outsourced.
So when it comes to capability, it has to be outsourced for this to work safely and efficiently.
Problem only starts if a local company decides to take over. Otherwise, you wont have such issues.

faham?
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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ May 18 2010, 02:28 PM)
no.. they should invest in renewable technologies.. wat happen to suria home? where every house roof is install with solar panel.. tat way.. u got million of solar panel.. own use and national grid usage.. incinerator plant was shelve because pollution and saying malaysian dont have the midset to maintain it.. so wat make them think they can handle nuclear? incinerator (win win --> rubbish diposal+ energy provider)
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money spent on solar panels cannot be recovered by the electricity saved. In other words, you lose more money with solar panels than by using TNB only.

And with everyone so nihilistic on malaysians, its no wonder nothing gets achieved.
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most comment here knows little or nothing about nuclear energy and bash straight away

u guys should read real books instead of tabloids

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Please bear in mind
Inside research facility, the reactor is not running 24hours daily, 7days a week, 365days a year

If you  think UKM Bangi capable to use nuclear reactor to generate electricity, just ask them to build a facilities to generate electricity for UKM comsuption. And then UKM can generate more capable supporting industries that can be run by professional ppl like Altan (I don't like rent seeker ppl like PEKEMA or PERKASA idiot-dog ppl ruining our beloved country)
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Looking at majority of posts, here, they are all implying malaysian had none, worse than india.
Thats why india got nuke plants, malaysia should not have  laugh.gif
True. With indian programmers, nuclear plants will be developed with ease, thats why india got so many nuke plants developed by indian programmers. Kudos!
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LMAO, "programmers" build nuclear plant.
Didnt know programmers are the one to build nuclear plant. Believe whatever you want la, if you are stupid until that extend then i can't educate you as well. Good luck.
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 02:34 PM)
money spent on solar panels cannot be recovered by the electricity saved. In other words, you lose more money with solar panels than by using TNB only.

And with everyone so nihilistic on malaysians, its no wonder nothing gets achieved.
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And I assumed you already calculated the total cost and benefits of having Solar Panels vs Nuclear Plant?
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huawei or alcatel...???
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nope... laugh.gif


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I am not even comparing on the details of construction and purpose of buildings, so your point is irrelevant.

As i said, just because it is in malaysia doesn't mean things must go bad. Almost every workforce here is outsourced.
So when it comes to capability, it has to be outsourced for this to work safely and efficiently.
Problem only starts if a local company decides to take over. Otherwise, you wont have such issues.
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LOL... do u know tat many systems in our country are actually handled by local companies but outsourced to other companies(some local some foreign). Even Proton Persona parts are outsourced.

Anyway, I'm not saying tat it will 100% fail and cause mass death. I'm just saying many problems will arise from it, hypothetically that is. My stand is neutral on this btw... laugh.gif
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Nuclear facility will leak if not maintain properly. fffuuuuu....can you give better example?
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It can be shutdown manually or through networking...
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This ah kow talk based on his tiny knowledge only la. Why argue with him? Give him a break. He thinks that programmer build nuclear plant.
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QUOTE(Nub! @ May 18 2010, 02:38 PM)
This ah kow talk based on his tiny knowledge only la. Why argue with him? Give him a break. He thinks that programmer build nuclear plant.
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LMAO, "programmers" build nuclear plant.
Didnt know programmers are the one to build nuclear plant. Believe whatever you want la, if you are stupid until that extend then i can't educate you as well. Good luck.
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And I assumed you already calculated the total cost and benefits of having Solar Panels vs Nuclear Plant?
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Sure. nuclear plants yields more energy for longer periods and less dependent on fossil fuel.
And if anything hapens, helps reduce over population too.

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nope... laugh.gif
LOL... do u know tat many systems in our country are actually handled by local companies but outsourced to other companies(some local some foreign). Even Proton Persona parts are outsourced.

IZZIT!!!! WHOW!!!!! didn't know! do they pay more?
I think you're very smart. smile.gif
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money spent on solar panels cannot be recovered by the electricity saved. In other words, you lose more money with solar panels than by using TNB only.

And with everyone so nihilistic on malaysians, its no wonder nothing gets achieved.
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y solar power cant be saved?
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At least i know programmers are not trained to specialize in nuclear plant.
If that's what you want to know.

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This ah kow talk based on his tiny knowledge only la. Why argue with him? Give him a break. He thinks that programmer build nuclear plant.
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dont be stupid. someone else put that programmer into the equation.
i can only see he's the one who talks with a lot of things worth pondering about.
you people have egos bigger than mountains. anti establishments go die please.
we want to move forward, u people go live in the jungle. you cant stop advancement.
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This ah kow talk based on his tiny knowledge only la. Why argue with him? Give him a break. He thinks that programmer build nuclear plant.
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I think programmers built the space shuttle too. Awesome yes? rclxms.gif
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This ah kow talk based on his tiny knowledge only la. Why argue with him? Give him a break. He thinks that programmer build nuclear plant.
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i think he just stated it as a 'sarcasm'

please dun tell me u do believe that he really mean India programmer build nuclear plant
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y solar power cant be saved?
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At least i know programmers are not trained to specialize in nuclear plant.
If that's what you want to know.
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I think developers are trained in planting nuclears. Programmers just water it.
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yes, nuclear powerplants dont need programmers. everything is mechanical and manual. no computers or digital systems.
awesome.
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I just don't like the idea of condemning country when they are one of the best in the world.
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i think he just stated it as a 'sarcasm'

please dun tell me u do believe that he really mean India programmer build nuclear plant
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dont be stupid. someone else put that programmer into the equation.
i can only see he's the one who talks with a lot of things worth pondering about.
you people have egos bigger than mountains. anti establishments go die please.
we want to move forward, u people go live in the jungle. you cant stop advancement.
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why do you want to save solar power? its in danger?  blink.gif
I think developers are trained in planting nuclears. Programmers just water it.
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u say one de.. u say solar power generated cant be saved thus = wastage.. hence i m asking u y it can be stored for a later usage lor
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I just don't like the idea of condemning country when they are one of the best in the world.
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So this means you support malaysia in venturing into nuclear then.

otherwise, you;re like the others condemning malaysia as a whole.

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As a whole or not, believe whatever you want la. Not like whatever we talk here actually helps the project.
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money spent on solar panels cannot be recovered by the electricity saved. In other words, you lose more money with solar panels than by using TNB only.

And with everyone so nihilistic on malaysians, its no wonder nothing gets achieved.
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u say one de.. u say solar power generated cant be saved thus = wastage.. hence i m asking u y it can be stored for a later usage lor
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Please read carefully ok? wub.gif

its expensive to solar power your house to make it harness electricity. you need more solar panels, and construction of it, installation plus maintenance. The amount of money you spend on this, versus the amount of money you saved by just using TNB and not install the panels, can never be justified.

faham?

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Sure. nuclear plants yields more energy for longer periods and less dependent on fossil fuel.
And if anything hapens, helps reduce over population too.
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But Solar Panels are not dependent on Fossil Fuels either. In which case it's entirely based on solar energy.

Solar Panels might not be as high-output as a Nuclear Plant but analysing the whole cost and benefits I would say Solar Panels implemented through Government subsidies and policies work better in the long run for the whole nation instead.

You cut down on fossil fuels usage, you cut down on electric bill expenses, you cut down emissions from coal burning. Whereas Nuclear Plants, even though with failsafe precautions implemented who knows how much money its going to take to maintain that investment over the whole lifespan of that 1 reactor itself just for daily operations only.
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yes, nuclear powerplants dont need programmers. everything is mechanical and manual. no computers or digital systems.
awesome.
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Every venture has its risks and problems and its own unique set of challenges. The gist is this: if you dont attempt, you never will learn. Sitting idle hoping for a "perfect" government, and "perfect" mentality, and "perfect" citizens, you can sit and wait until the cows (sic) jump over the moon.
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i'm not saying we should sit and wait... I'm just questioning if we are ready for this with the current national affairs going on and all tat... hmm.gif
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Actually, newer nuclear power plant (4 generation plants) will be automated using computers and current nuclear plants utilize computers to monitor the reactor status and control other parts of the facility.
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he's being sarcastic... =.="
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its not about malaysian or malaysia... its about nuclear plant...

what is wrong with NP.? name me the latest disaster from a NP leakage and how long has it been without one..
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QUOTE(ffrulz @ May 18 2010, 02:49 PM)
But Solar Panels are not dependent on Fossil Fuels either. In which case it's entirely based on solar energy.

Manufacturing of solar panels does depend on fossil fuel
Transporting the panels to your home depends on fossil fuel

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Solar Panels might not be as high-output as a Nuclear Plant but analysing the whole cost and benefits I would say Solar Panels implemented through Government subsidies and policies work better in the long run for the whole nation instead.

Its about diversifying your energy resources. No one is saying to ditch solar panels entirely.
Nuclear plants here is good for malaysia because it presents opportunities for us to venture into nuclear. More jobs, more nuclear physicists.
Rather than just dreaming about it, we have one here in our own yard.

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You cut down on fossil fuels usage, you cut down on electric bill expenses, you cut down emissions from coal burning. Whereas Nuclear Plants, even though with failsafe precautions implemented who knows how much money its going to take to maintain that investment over the whole lifespan of that 1 reactor itself just for daily operations only.
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We should rare more horses and use them as transport. They only feed on grass and weed.

weed!
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post May 18 2010, 02:54 PM


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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 18 2010, 02:49 PM)
Please read carefully ok?  wub.gif

its expensive to solar power your house to make it harness electricity. you need more solar panels, and construction of it, installation plus maintenance. The amount of money you spend on this, versus the amount of money you saved by just using TNB and not install the panels, can never be justified.

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but in long run u save wa...and ur point bout nuclear powerplant provide job opportunity (who is paying the salary?) nuclear high maintance--> people willing to pay? , wont solar power create job as well?

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post May 18 2010, 02:57 PM


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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ May 18 2010, 02:50 PM)
i'm not saying we should sit and wait... I'm just questioning if we are ready for this with the current national affairs going on and all tat... hmm.gif
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How do you know if you're ready or not?
By waiting for all the elements to be "perfect"?
or do you go out and venture, and improvise as you move along?
with so many nuclear experts out there, relying on their expertise is good to train us up.

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he's being sarcastic... =.="
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SSHhh.... people here dunno whats that...SHhh...
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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ May 18 2010, 02:54 PM)
but in long run u save wa...
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in a way yes but why do you think it wasnt implemented by the governments around the world.?
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