I've scouted for some HD Tvs but I'm caught between spending almost 7K for a 46inch LED tv or just get an LCD tv. I'm looking for opinions, recommendations for any brands.

if u are willing to spend 7k-8k.. better u get a LCD 55inc tv.. much more worth it... toshiba zv model is one of them.. value for ur money

I'm debating that. But would it be a better investment based on picture quality and all? I'm thinking the LED would be better in the longrun but I'm still thinking if it's a good idea or not.

Want to join the Dark side? Came and join Plasma.

Cabut...

pioneer kuro?

definitely LED TV bro, if you got 7~8K budget to spend on a TV, get LED because none of the LCD or plasma can on par with LED performance/quality.

Just depend on whether you are enough on 42" LED tv or you want bigger TV.

let me repharase that..

you do know that the LED TV is just LCD TV with LED backlight, right?
whether it's worth the premium is up to you.

yes, but the performance/quality/color/respond time/contrast ratio/ none of the LCD or plasma can beat LED LCD tv.

if you stand in front of LED LCD TV / LCD TV / PLASMA TV, you already can tell the different.

Plasma can beat LED/LCD easily

Agree with you. Definately go for LED. But i think respond time LCD and plasma could be as good as LED.

Elaborate more. If not stop spaming!

From what I know is that LED TVs cost a lot more that LCDs and plasma now.

For fast objects, go plasma.

Better picture, LCD.

Since LED Tvs are LCDs using LED backlight, you save more on electricity (theoretically)

show me evidence that plasma can beat LED LCD TV

yes it might able to beat LCD TV in some way( LCD only 50~100hz while plasma 400~600hz which mean face pace action, plasma beat it)

in color wise/PQ/respond time/contrast ratio, plasma hardly reach the level

Putting a huge Plasma in the living room will require better cooling and more electricity will be used for the air conditioner to work harder trying to keep the temperature of the room low.

Condition is made worst when the house is using spotlights and other halogen lamp as lighting.

Really?

This is news to me.

So in terms of energy usage,
plasma>lcd>led.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

anyone knew about the blue light hazard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-energy_visible_light

hahaha are u make a joke or what?

Plasma right now same as rubbish.... we bought tv to see movie/program not our face coz of it reflection issue

This thread could be another battle for plasma vs lcd. I think there is several thread out there for this one.
The downside of the Plasma is on IR issue, power consumption, glare. You can ask all sifu here, most of them using plasma. Performance wise, plasma win. But overall aspect, up to personal taste.

I go for plasma myself. Like the other forumer say, most of the sifu here using plasma. Makes you wonder why.

The 2010 plasma models look interesting. Gonna get one myself.

If u can, get pioneer kuro.

Just my 2 cents

LED LCD can beat Plasma?That's joke of the year...

Ever heard of Pioneer Kuro Plasma?



This post has been edited by -kytz-: May 18 2010, 02:36 PM

Yeah I've heard of the Kuro, I'm interested in that although I'm not sure how the price is right now. All I have a references for the Kuro almost 3 years ago, when LCDs and Plasmas cost a fortune.

LEDs have super picture quality, I've been told to stay away from Sony cause they're way too expensive and they under-deliver. Philips has good LCD tvs but the new Samsung LED tvs have amazing picture quality. I'm actually buying for the long run and not having to replace it in 5 years or so.

IINM, colours on plasma are richer, respond time is faster, contrast ratio is definitely higher( true contrast, not DC)

TS, kuro is still available, the 428xg are mostly sold out but 508xg,krp500a should have few stocks left, and if you have the budget, krp600a

Buddy of mine bought a LED. He always insist that its very much thinner and sleeker than our mate's kuro. He still avoid the picture quality issue.

The LED's are nice looking TV's.

IMHO, plasma has more accurate color compared to LCD (and current gen LED), it look and feel are close to what it is on cinema.. i don't know how to put it but LCD PQ feel a more plastic and artificial (which look really nice for those gaming purposes).

In the end it come up to person preference.. for me i'll tried my best (according to my budget!) to get what the film director want the viewers to see..

This statement is incorrect.

Plasma does not refresh at 400-600Hz. It is sub pixel refresh. Plasmas dither to show motion. These numbers are related to that. These numbers are not actual refresh rates. These numbers are marketing ploys that are there to counter the 240Hz refresh rates that people like to go for.

Colour response, greyscale, contrast ratio, response time are all measurable traits. So it will be easy to justify which is better. There are also tricks that manufacturers use to show better numbers, however these arguments that you show are not typically LCDs strengths.

PQ is subjective, as one person's meat is another's poison.

I would advise whoever is buying to understand each technology's pros and cons and make an informed decision.

While I am not sure if rubbish is the right word, this is one of plasma's problems. Its front panel is glass. However, the better plasmas normally have better Anti Reflective Coatings that counter this quite well when watching content.

The one thing to note though, most if not all higher end LED backlit LCDs are also moving to clear glass panels to improve contrast ratios.

How do we sieve thru all these tricks that manufacturers-use-to-show-better-numbers or make sense of them?

Sometimes when I notice sort of double image or an aura around an object, is it cos of my source or the LCD?

+1 . It's amazing to see ppl always argue about the superiority of the technology they prefer until it is elevated to become personal attack

same as why the toshiba zv600e have full glare panel
though their reasoning is that the reflection from the light above will reflect the same angle downwards, away from eye view
the neglected to say that any bright source near the front of the tv will also reflect back the same angle

I place my tv an inch below eye level when sitting up straight
so the bright light from the balcony bounces of my leg and towards the panel
and reflect back to my eyes,

still the zv much better pq than that of the rv
at least in my view

You are correct about the 400-600Hz. In fact, they are mentioned, but in tiny words. Thus, some people don't notice it.

On top of that, the relationship between TV size, panel resolution and distance of viewer from the TV must be understand before anyone make a purchase.

DarkNite,

Never believe manufacturer's claims of contrast ratio. Some sites like hdtvtest, avforums have in depth reviews of the sets. Their numbers are more real.

KURO-ed is past tense already.. Dont mention it over n over pls..

True thats its no more in production. However, the reason why people still bring it up is due to it still being the reference panel for the other panels to match or beat. The technology of the last Kuro is 2 yrs old and no set is there yet. Hopefully, next year we can stop bringing it up. This years Panny VT comes mighty close and that leads me to believe that next year they will best it.

LED LCDs on the other hand have made great strides. In that matter, 2 years ago local dimming Sammy sets are difficult to beat as well. Sammy's last year set was shortlived in production due to patent issues with Sharp and someone else. So this year, they released local dimming but with edge backlights that are a step back.

LGs LH90 that was last years set is currently the best performer for local dimming LED backlight sets. It was a matte screen and was very highly regarded. However, this year, they took a step back by moving to glossy screen which reflects.

LED backlit LCDs are where the improvements in LCD technology will be focused on in the coming years. Sharp is focusing on quad pixel and it remains to be seen if it indeed will take off.

There is still work to be done by the LCD camp, however they are limited by the way the technology works.