anyone have any idea which air con to recommend to me as off i have Panasonic intelligent inverter and Sharp in my mind right now..
however couldnt make up my mind.

York air-cond is fast cooling.

Agree with bingo, go for York. I have replaced my Panasonic with York.

Stayed in 3 apartments, all 3 using YORK.

First apartment, first aircond no gas, second aircond kaput. Landlord fixed.

Second apartment, awesome. no problem at all.

Third apartment, move in only not cold. Apparently no gas/leakage. So far, it's alright. But seems like this one takes a while to cool down though, but room smaller than the rest. Weird.

York air cond good in long lasting ?

how bout energy saving ?

I'm searching for an aircon too actually. How about LG? Ok ar? Samsung also quite cheap. Looking for a 1.5HP unit.

im using Mitsubishi SRK10 - RM1.3k

DAIKIN!

I'm using Sharp aircond. That one that came with plasmacluster thingy... So far, so good. and just using it for my small room.

york too noise

go for mitsubishi

Sharp the one with plasma cutter ion thingy ?
the promoter keep promoting that 1 to me ..
so i wondering is it good or just for the purpose of sales.

Aircon got direct relation to Home Entertaintment thread?

mitsubishi !!! recommended

just installed 4.
got friends using various brands and asked around for opinions, including advices from aircond specialized shop (shop dealing mainly in aircond and shops dealing just aircond).

went with panasonic and york.
york is fast cooling can't deny that. but the build quality is lower than what i would prefer.
and the noise is just the same as my panasonic.

panasonic build quality is *far* better than york.
but takes quite some time to cool down the room. probably 20%-30% more time.
cooling performance (temperature wise) both are the same once the room are cooled.

also heard good things about mitsubishi heavy duty. and on paper the efficiency (EER/Energy Efficiency Ratio) is higher than most aircond, on the same level as inverter models (EER over 12). could translate to better power consumption.
and on paper the mitsu air throw could reach 12m (while york specs 6m).

installed york standard model, york ionizer model, york bio model and panasonic standard model. didn't go with inverter because i'll be moving at the end of this year. cost of moving inverter units are 100%-120% more than standard models.

York air-cond got Inverter Y Series, so it is energy saving.
But my house is using toshiba air-cond, few years already no problem.

How about MISTRAL one

Dun go for the Samsung one....freaking noisy outside...if fussy neighbor sure complain one

Daikin Inverter so far for me OK..

But I ask shop top sales is Sharp with those plasmacluster ION quite good sales.

My moms house all use sharp.

mistral looks like a cheap china no brand aircond.
so does MEC. and some other no brand aircond.

and no offence, but so does samsung ones. york and acson looks better built than any of those.

daikin inverter are quite popular and oftenly recomended overseas.
the aircond shop that i've surveyed around have good things to say about panasonic. and most of the shops that i went to agrees that york has the fastest cooling albeit a bit noisy.

my panasonic is in my bedroom. and it doesn't have sleep mode (increases the temperature over time). all my york have it.
my wife wakes up at night and turn the aircond off because it's too cold. i wake up because it's too hot because the aircond is off.

no...you wake up due to something else waking up

Of course, like most cinema these days are air-con, so the home entertainment room also needs air-con.

Inverter or not inverter?
My colleagues sat down with our regular air-con contractor to hammer the inverter debate when this inverter thing 1st came to the market.
1. Based on TNB rates a couple years ago, there wasn't much savings for 1HP as the installation cost is about RM150 more vs the normal. It need larger copper pipes and electrical cables to the compressor.

2. Inverter air con will save electricity when it is set between 26 - 28C. Otherwise it is the same as the non-inverter other aircon. In addition you will need to have a ceiling or wall fan running to ensure constant and better circulation of hot and cold air.
So less than 1.5HP will only justified itself, if installation cost comes down to be the same as ones without inverter and TNB tariff increase up dramatically.

All brands these days have almost the same quality control and they use the same parts from almost same manufacturer, only casing have different labels and design

My 2sen observations are:-
Panasonic - Quiet but sensitive especially when environment are oily & dusty. Nevertheless, however Ulu the place in Malaysia, also have service center and agents! , Which is an important consideration in its maintenance.

York - Cheaper, robust but noisy after 5 to 6 years. Most offices and restaurants use York.

Others I don't have experience using them...but I understand Daikin are also popular in Sinkapo.

Others,
Need to consider the height as well. A room with these dimension 10' width X 20' length X 12' height, needs a 1.5hp.
If smaller hp then the compressor will be working very hard and non-stop aka using more electric and wear out faster.

Any of your walls/windows facing the sun? Beside getting sun-out curtains for windows, you can planting trees or small leafy bamboo to shade the expose walls.
Are your ceiling well insulated? You may consider have it insulated with rock-wool. Initial cost maybe high but if this property is your own, long run it definitely pays by itself.

Nice to hear that, btw what's the HP?

Good info. Yeah, I've heard about the extra costs involved when it comes to Inverter units, especially when it comes to installation, moving and also maintenance. With all the differences, I wonder if getting an Inverter unit is worth it. I'm now thinking of getting a Panasonic standard unit 1.5HP.

i wonder what that might be..

found this after searching through google:

in full caps summore.

I am using panasonic 1.5hp and 1hp... both okay ionizer one.. just sold off one my aircond.. hitachi.. good also.. sell because never use.

isnt Yolk drain lot of electric compare to normal aircon ?

where did you get this info from?
Egg Yolk doesn't drain a lot of electricity!

i dont know.. my dad out of no where said Yolk drain electric >.>

I gonna get Yolk then since ya guyz said it dont

hitachi good?

i'm going to get it
any negative review?

i'm monitoring my electricity usage after the house is airconditioned. just to get a rough idea how the settings affect the electricity usage.

and comparatively, i think the york in the hall is more power saving compared to the panasonic that i have in the master bedroom. both are new units so there's no aging.
the hall is airconditioned 12 hours a day from noon to midnight.

wow.. are u using the panasonic intelligent inverter ? heard that model famous for electric saving

nope. just the standard model. gonna move by the end of this year.
inverter models have much higher cost for dismantling and reassembly. and it takes about 2 years of use before the extra cost incurred by the inverter model to pay itself.

adding the extra cost for reassembly, it should take me 4 years of use.
so decided to install just the standard model.

Hmm... may I know those who are using aircond here, how much ur average monthly electricity bill?? For me, about RM110 something...

This post has been edited by AjkR06: May 18 2010, 09:53 PM

check EER or COP rating for electricity hungry or not.

york i think at lower EER or COP, which a bit more on high side.

do a google will tell

RM110 is still cheap bro.
you should be about it

Myself 2 aircons (1hpX2)...on only at night...well sometimes in the day during holidays for abt 2~3 hour.....Total additional abt 70~100 for aircon only.

Wow! RM70-RM100 just for aircond... that's not include other appliances like HT system, Plasma/LCD screen so on....

i just installed an aircond unit at my apartment. After several surveying, finally i bought Hitachi Aircond. The price is good and the warranty covers up to 7yrs on the compressor... You got my verdict on Hitachi.

For me, that's not really cheap since before this, I only pay for about RM60-75 per month for electricity....
I also now have "catu" my aircond usage.., 1 week, only 3 times can used it... unless something emergency happen like when I feel really hot that night, then I will use it.... I thought when I installed the energy saver devices, it will reduce my electricity usage, but i haven't see any difference now.. already use it for 4 months...

Anyone can recommend super quiet air conditioner? wanna put into the HT room. the noise level should not be more than 25db.

Some energy saver does work...but not for home usage....more for Factory usage when you can see the savings.

because most energy saver only use capacitor. it help to correct power factor caused by inductive load. If your house doesn't have inductive load, it won't help at all.

Most of these energy saving device uses capacitor to save energy, think of it as a reservoir. If it rains heavy you'll have more to collect as oppose to light rain. Thus the savings is a direct proportion to your usage, if your electrical usage is little then your savings is minuscule.
Dun be fool by the sellers claims of more than 15% savings, as it is actually less than 7-9%, depending on how many appliances you have that uses compressor, motor and heating elements.
Taken that into consideration and the cost of the unit, you do the maths and see if it is worth while to purchase the unit. BTW, do ensure it is warranty for at least 5 years including labor and parts.

Alternatively you should look at passive things that dun cost much to save electricity, like planting small trees that give shade to your walls that are expose to the sun for long duration or having heavy black-out curtains on these wallsl, if you are staying n a high rise.
Google for other ideas.

Hitachi so far so good for me.. I will say the cooling period is better than my panasonic.

Yes, my power saver includes with 5 years warranty. They said that we need to replace that things for every 5 years... If not, it will not be efficient at all after 5 years...

Can't believe this thread lasted 3 pages here ...

Anyway, WTH, my contribution:-

1) Inverters - Dun read too much into this. Its 50% marketing talk, some tell me even more. To actually achieve these savings, the settings of the A/C has to be 'optimum', usually too optimum for our normal usage. Maybe it gets better for 2kuda and above.

2) 'Panasonic is quieter than York' - This was what I was told but having gotten Panas for the whole house, I shudder to think what dbs York will give ..

When discussing 'Panasonic is quieter than York', it is mostly the dbs of the external compressor and the turbulence of the air flow from the internal evaporator (the unit in your room).
It is noted by many, that York is 'cools fast with colder air' this is cos york 'pumps' out more air thus creating more turbulence 'noise'. In the shops or showrooms you'll not notice the difference, only in the middle of the silent night will you notice the difference in loudness.

Some how I also dunno why York compressor tends to make more noise after 5 to 6 yrs of operations (vs Panasonic).

I'm of the understanding that Daikin is a very popular brand in the land of Kiasi and Kiasu aka Sinkapo. I hope users of this brand can give feedback on its dbs also.

Newer ones are adding IR technology too, but the supplier told me...if for home usage...not much saving...takes a long time to get the ROI.

having a pana just to try myself the quietness, i think the noise is just the same as the york unit.
maybe the york will increase with time. but for now the noise is just similar.

Hi..

Inverters use variable fan speed to the external coolin coil on d outdoor unit..
On d normal aircon .. d external fan is either on or off [ meanin too tat de compressor cools de coolin fins for cold air only when de fan is on ] .. so it cant regulate temperature as well as de inverter units ..
I hv both types n its true tat d inverter regulates temperature better than de non inverter types .. cant really say much on its elec efficiency thou'[both makan lektrik]..

Cheers
D

Sure Mit, I'm using MS-FC13VC, 1.5 HP, Deluxe model. Btu 13,307, air flow 10.5. Very high air flow and cool for my room.

B4 this use Panasonic 1.5hp, very bad, need to service very frequent, I year atleast 2 times. Blower not enough power to spin once dust on it, air flow good after service but not lasting, once got a bit dust on it, it will become small air flow. Then change to Mit MS-FC13VC after used 1 year.

My house got Mit, Sharp, York, Acson, National, panasonic, Hitachi, one unit Mit is around 10 years already but still very cool but old Mr Slim model air flow very small but very quite. Sharp used 5 years then blower motor not working.

York and Pana totally out. My York already 6 years already, now not cool and very noisy.

After survey and compare all the air cond, Mit is the best but must buy the deluxe model and with easy clean.

This post has been edited by loveu1668: May 21 2010, 03:47 AM

How do you calculate electricity bill for air cond only? I'm living in a 2 bedroom apartment, master bedroom got a/c while the other doesn't. Trying to figure out how to split the rent. Some says ac doubles the bill. Thanks in advance for your help

Someone had adv in various thread for his watt meter, you can find it in Bulk Orders

when aircon as a home entertainment on these day

A typical 1.0hp air con consumes about 0.75kW of power. Which means if you use it 1 hour, it will add 0.75 units to your electricity meter reading. Assuming you're in the lowest tariff band, each unit costs 28.6 sen. This hasn't taken into account power factor.

So you do the math.

This post has been edited by jchong: Sep 6 2010, 07:38 PM

Won't help with air cons because you can't plug in the air con into the watt meter. Works for other appliances with 3-pin plug though.

The cool air entertains you and your other entertainment equipment la, especially in our hot and humid weather.

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Added on September 6, 2010, 7:41 pmYou meant split the electricity bill?

This post has been edited by DarkNite: Sep 6 2010, 07:41 PM

yes, split the electricty..

i have 2 airconds in the same size room

york- a bit noisy but get cold faster
pana- less noise, during the hot day, langsung talak sejuk maaa..

york is RM100 cheaper.

so i rec york.

im also recommended mitsubishi air con, superbbbb

Hi

Just share my experience for my previous or now Aircon models.
My pass 7 years is using hitachi deluxe 10k btu model end up I change to panasonic deluxe mode 9k btu it is not cold at all for outdoor condenser is smaller than hitachi.
After installed 1 week I changed back to my 1st hitachi Aircon cause it is still working well it is abit regret to install panasonic.

Recently I looks at hitachi inverter model 1hp haha it is advance technology EER up to 13.4 wow but after install the problem was come not cold and must set to 23C and used 2 speed fan. So totally make me can't sleep at well.
I ask the hitachi service center how come like they said it is normal.
Also sent for requested sound dB-A they no feedback until now already 3 mths time.

my hitachi inverter 1hp relocated to 2nd bedroom and now the air swing motor got wave noise when I on the air swing.
Price at Rm1350 without install.

So I have no choice within 1 week to Mitsubishi electric starmex inverter MSY-GE10VA model to my master bedroom quietest at 19db and 1st fan speed at 21dB, outdoor condenssor same like my panasonic 2hp size.
Just set to 25C only can be cold for whole room.

By last 2 weeks I changed my Living hall Aircon from panasonic 2hp deluxe to Mitsubishi electric inverter MSY-GE24VA it is very quiet at 30dB and 25-27C for cooling whole living hall and outdoor sound quiet than non-inverter 1hp.
For air swing running not like just up and down continous,
it is can be up hold for while and down and for 2.5hp living hall unit the model can be horizontal swing to left and hold for while and right so it is very difference for quality of air.

Mitsubishi are easy clean model 1hp Rm1300 same with hitachi 2/7 warranty.
So now I have 2 units of hitachi DC inverter 1hp and front is using mitsubishi Starmex inverter 1hp & 2.5hp total 4 units

So I prefer to Mitsubishi electric easy clean inverter model it is best buy and no regret.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 27 2010, 09:09 AM

It is entertaining to watch the louver move up and down and sideways. You should try it.

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Added on December 27, 2010, 9:55 amAFAIK, there are Mitsubishi Heavy Industry and Mitsubishi Electric. Different company so which one you are talking about?

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Added on December 27, 2010, 10:06 amYou are wrong. It's not marketing talk. Just technically ignorant.

The truth is, Invertor air condition really does save money ONLY IF you know how to use it. It must be used in a situation whereby there are lots of 'stop-start' operation. Example, a powerful-enough aircond used in the bedroom whereby there are lots of stop-start going on. A Invetor air cond's compressor NEVER actually stop when the room are cold enough nor having to restart when the room are too hot. By preventing 'stop-start' operation, it save electricity. It's the same principle as car using more petrol when there are lots of stop and start operation aka town driving and less when on highway driving.

Used wrongly, it actually uses 10% more electricity and that's why you must never use it in an over-sized room.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Dec 27 2010, 10:15 AM

So how to use an inverter air con correctly?

Why is an Aircon thread in Home Entertainment?

I also wonder do Mitsubishi Heavy Industry sells home air-con?

How powerful-enough aircond are you talking about and how much savings in units of Kwh are we expected to see?

Yes, Mitsubishi Heavy Industry does have air cond http://www.mhi.co.jp/en/products/detail/sek-zgx_series.html

And so does Mitsubishi Electric http://global.mitsubishielectric.com/produ...ndex.html#air06


A 9000 BTU in a 20x20 feet room with window open during day time is not considered powerful enough. No stop-start occurring. Since compressor running non-stop, an Invertor air conditioner will actually uses 10% more electricity than a non-Invertor.

A 9000 BTU in a 12x12 feet room with windows all closed at cool night time is considered powerful enough. Plenty of stop-start occurring. In this case, an Invertor will save more electricity than a non-Invertor. Figures of 20 or 40% have been quoted. How much saving will depend on how often there are stop-start operation. More stop-start, more saving. Less stop-start, less saving.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Dec 27 2010, 05:06 PM

i did ALOT of research before settling on a panasonic...

costs a bit more than york but the "quiet" mode and the "ion" feature was a definite plus

Did you looked at Daikin?

yes i did look at daikin and that was the close 2nd choice and york was 3rd... in the end it was a toss up...but i choose the panny since my installer had a "jalan" for it...

From what i know about inverter that the compressor always started at a low speed rotation and the current consumption start at 1.2A and starting to rise until 4.2 A and stop as the room already cold enough.

Once the temp rises , the compressor kick in again but also at 1.2A all over again.

Standard air con started at 4.2 A from the beggining, hence the higher power consumption..

Thanks
regards
kevin

This is not my understanding of how an Invertor compressor works. They never stop entirely, just reduced speed/compression/consumption so nothing to 'kick in'. By not having to stop and then 'kick in' from standstill is the key to their lower electrical consumption.

Inverter work is very simple.
Outdoor condenser and indoor unit have both PCB board to control inside and outdoor temperature for maintain the same temp is without on off runing, cause if the temp. Is reached for compressor can be runs as slowly. For outdoor fan still will stop fo r while.
Event inside room just feel little bit warm and outdoor fan is runing indoor will be quicky to cool down.
So not need force the compressor is fixed at sane RPM to cooling down after reached compressor and fan will be stop for while indoor can hear the gas stop and runs again.
Fixed speed non-inverter model need more power to support the cooling to keep at same speed RPM and fan blower speed so when you near to the condenser blower it is very heat like hair dryer because compressor runing maybe need more cooling the alum. Coil. And compressor very easy to get vibration and noisy it is due to same speed without reduce the speed runing at same times.
So compared inverter and non-inverter will be short life. Must be change compressor mounting and fan bearing.
And also inverter compressor is used DC and fan motor together so can be save and long runs.
for example
Non-inverter model current input = 0.85kw x 8 hrs x 30 Days = 204kw
Inverter model 0.725kw after cold can be reduce to 0.241kw x 8 x 30d = 58kw only x 0.218 p/u. He he It is very cheap right.

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Added on December 28, 2010, 8:02 am Inverter is same like car when drive faster without slow the car speed so it is without save the petro, if you drive slowly so your petro can runs longer distance.
It is what I can said.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 28 2010, 08:02 AM

Bro, I dun understand your explanation, try and write simple english can?
Further more, how can calculate after cold? After cold calculation is not real world usage.

Ok let said your room temperature are 30C.
You switch on Aircon, your Aircon temperture is set to 25C .
So your Aircon operates may take how long to reached to temperature, for your setting?
After reached at 25C, so the compressor will be runing slow and it is call part load.
Inverter can keep to maintain the slow speed.
At same 25C until next morning.
Cause inverter work doest stop compressor and start on again so it is call waste your electricity.
When the starting for compressor may taken higher power to shoot up until your lighting will be tick.

It is not need to calculate one.
DC inverter compressor have their own input watt from 2.8(0.80-3.28)kw = 9550(2730-11190)BTU.
Input watt is 760(170-920)W showing here already mention the variable current input.
I'm get the panasonic S10MKH model.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 28 2010, 09:30 AM

Normal Inverter need different and more expensive piping. So I am leaning toward the Daikin Inverter because it uses the same piping as normal non-Inverter air cond to save cost.

A friend who have both Panasonic and Daikin told me Daikin are super quiet in comparison.

So far York and acson inverter models in Malaysia market both are used the daikin product technology.
Remote control is difference and without eye motion sensor and used 2nd grade of R410A compressor.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 28 2010, 10:28 AM

Because some people who want to set up a HT room want to know what air con is nice and quiet (so it won't disturb the movie experience)

it is an inverter air cond work like.

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Added on December 30, 2010, 7:42 am
Hi All here regarding the non and inverter some clarified explanation.

Q&A question below.

Why non-inverter can be used more electricity?
Because non-inverter air cond compressor will taken more energy to cooling down the area and running non-stop speed without Low Med High speed.
 It is just only indoor FC to be sensor detect indoor actual room temperature in 29-30C from compressor may taken much time to reached your remote control setting in 25C. 
After the sensor has been detected. Only one thing compressor to be stopping and outdoor fan blower to be stop together.
Cause outdoor fan didn't have variable speed to follow indoor fan steps from your remote control setting.
So when you close to the outdoor condenser it is feel very hot air to blower out.
Totally outdoor condenser can be taken 97% of your switch on air cond electricity from 0 hour to turn off air cond.

Why inverter air cond can be cut into hall of energy usage?
Because inverter unit for all electronic device in outdoor condenser has built-in Mather board is call PCB board.
It is can be sensor detect the actual temperature from outside and indoor also.
All the compressor running speed and fan blower motor can be reduction speed it is depend indoor unit for your setting.
if set to 27C the compressor and fan only needed the low speed to be charge your energy.
How about compressor input watt?
It an can be from Low 100W to normal 725w to Max. Power 1150W.
It is also follow the BTU from 2.5-0.15-3.5Kw x 3412 = actual BTU.
Why inverter compressor can be so silent and quiet at all?
Cause inverter compressor is used the new DC motor inside and some have Twin rotary for reduce the vibration running. 
Compared to non-inverter compressor is still using the conventional AC motor inside. 
Here have some example to show the current input watt : non-inverter for normal 9000Btu type input watt per/hr = 0.9kw = 900Watt.
For inverter 9000Btu input watt = 760W it is already showing the energy saving.
But inverter can be save up to 70% of your room size and temperature setting 
To set 25C and also using R410A gas it is also help to faster cold down at only half and hour.
Then can be feel your room temperature is down. 
But for R22 gas still are same have to set in 23C and taken long hours time operates for cooling the room.   
For Inverter have Part load it is call half of energy saving running.
For example the compressor runs is from setting 25C temp. But is an using the gas R410a for help to top speed to reached at half and hour time for total is used normal rated : 760W after your room temperature is already 25C how the inverter works?
To be slow down the compressor speed and fan blower motor together or stop the fan motor. It is may only usage in low watt input at 150W only to keep maintain the same temperature until next morning. 
If the compressor on and off for non-inverter when the start up compressor runs may usage Max. power because have quick meet the same temperature in 25C after 25C and stop again.
So why it is very noisy.

Ok I just explain until here.
Hope you all can understand my poor English. Ha ha have a nice day!

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Added on December 30, 2010, 10:58 amHere is showing some of non and inverter months usage and bills costs. Some tips here.

For example I compared the latest panasonic deluxe non inverter 1hp.
Input watt = 0.78kw x 3 units x 8 hrs x 30 days = Rm163.25 x 7 years = Rm13,713. 
Total installation cost for 3 units = Rm3600 + 13713 = Rm17313. Wow very costly.

For inverter units x 3 and cost for included installed Rm4500 looks like very expansive for 1 time paid out.
But in usage per day at 8 hrs.
Compared from panasonic deluxe inverter model.
Power input watt = 0.76x3 at 70% energy saving = 0.76kw x 8 x 30 = Rm40 per mths x 7 years = Rm3360 + units price 4500 total = Rm7860 maybe inverter is higher maintained cost at additional Rm1500. 
All cost = Rm9360. It is worth to buy inverter? For me yes I support inverter air cond all ways.



This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 30 2010, 10:58 AM