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PKNS Adidas Outlet

A lot of Milan (Home and 3rd) and Chelsea (Home and 3rd) on sale.

Home - RM130
Away/3rd - RM 180

for Milan smallest is size M, but for Chelsea, size L

When can we buy the WC 10 patch?

world cup 2010 patches not released for public sale. Only way is to get them from the leaked sources from ebay etc, but be prepared to pay high prices.

Others you see on the net for cheap are all fakes, so beware.

ok thanks for the info

IMO, i have different observation, may be i'm not smart enough. Its sad that people in Malaysia have to buy expensive jerseys if they don't know its cheaper outside. I wonder how much profit margin for Nike and Adidas, etc, that is the key factor that put people off to buy an original jersey in our country's.

Imagine in UK, take factory operator as example, their minimum hourly pay 5 years back was roughly £5.2, but their brand new jersey during that time only cost about £30, 6 hrs work and you can get an original jersey.

How about in Malaysia? How much a factory operator earn per day? RM 20? Do your maths to get an original shirt. Sorry to say, those big time manufacturer, retailer is the one who acting like vampire, what is the manufacturing cost of a piece of jersey? Why they move their factory to place like China, Thailand, etc but not UK, Germany, US, etc. Hopefully they earn small small profit enough since they are big enough, don't be too greedy, let people in Malaysia have chance to own original stuff within our budget.

Its shame that some people saying white but doing black, which is unethical. I wonder how much the retailer here earn for every one piece of jersey or NNs sold? My guess is nearly 100% since they are big enough, may be some of the senior here can give some idea

No matter what business you're in, the manufacturers will always have the highest profit, that's their business. They set up factories, hire workers, spend on advertisement, endorsement. All of this needs money.

Who cares how long someone in UK needs to work to afford an original jersey, we still end up paying the same price right?

What irks us jcs the most are the middle men that try to take full advantage of sale items and hike them up to gain profit. E.g. few many weeks ago Kitbag was having sale for the UCL 07/08 MU Champions Patch and the WCC patch for only 2-3 pounds. Some forummer here bought a load of them back here and sold for RM70. Calculate his profit margin if you still can't see it. This prevents and hinders genuine collectors who have been searching and waiting to get those patches. Instead of sharing information, they sapu everything and then sell at a higher price. With these kind of mentality and attitude, how do you encourage new collectors to venture into this hobby or even existing collectors to continue, who end up paying the inflated price? And we start blaming people for buying pirated stuff. This hobby doesn't have to expensive. Yes, there are some shirts which will be more expensive but all of the collectors also look for great deals that can be as cheap as RM 100 per jersey. That's why you can't blame some of the collectors here who have these info but are reluctant to share it publicly because they know it'll only end up being abused by some profit hunters, if you know what I mean.

This post has been edited by Makakeke: Jun 12 2010, 06:42 AM

i don't blame them. some people just too bussiness minded & greedy. BTW that is human...

Issit the one outside, facing the tasik shah alam?

well as makakeke said, the manufacturers have to spend alot of money investing into the business.
things such as factories, workers, overheads, and most of the money will be spent on advertisments and sponsorships.
oh and another thing - they have to have quality control also. if got rejected jerseys, then they have to bear the costs right?
will YOU bear the cost of rejected jerseys? i dont think so.
so they have to factor all that into the pricing mechanism.

after all, they are a profit driven entity.
it is their right to make their money i guess.

we choose to buy them mar. no demand = no supply. right?

you have some points. but i think what lit_ching is trying to say about the workers working one day to get a jersey is a vaild point also.
they work 6hrs to get a original jersey, here maybe 2-3days?
but the problem with that issue is more towards our purchasing power and not about jersey collecting.
that is another issue altogether and doesnt belong here but at RWI.

anyways, what you said about the patches being sold, i guess we can't do much other than boycott lor.
that is our right as a buyer. so we should exercise it.
he was quick enough to buy a whole lot first and thus he gets to dictate the market price for it.
so those guys are only here to make profit, and not collect.
if he was a geniune collector, i don't think he would like to squeeze the other JC's dry like that.
maybe a little margin to cover overheads and stuffs, but not many times over.

This post has been edited by nimrod2: Jun 12 2010, 03:10 PM

wtf pos malaysia
until now my parcel from singapore didnt arrive
was sent on 3 june
makan gaji buta ke ape?

My bad, there are 2 PKNS. I am referring to the Bangi one.

How much is your profit margin from shoppingmall2u??

Actually I think what erks people like makakeke and others is that these profit hunters sip the info from others and then quietly whallops everything and then re-sells it at crazy prices.

Yes, he/she is quick enough.. that is true. But that is not the reason why it upsets people but from where they get the info.

If you have your own efforts to obtain the sources, that is your 100% right. Tell me, who on this earth wants to do business with no profit?

It's the matter or issue on ethical. You join a forum, never or rarely join or mingle with us, quietly read infos on good and cheap deals, then quietly for yourself you go and whallop a lot and then resell it. First of all, the intentions is clear that you want to make purely 'untung atas angin'. Secondly, from where you got that info.

This is why some 'hardcore' jersey collectors are reluctant to join my-fjc. Because they are reluctant to share info on great deals. I know few.. one collector, he has the biggest collection in Malaysia and he is a bit reluctant to join my-fjc because of this. Another person, who is the "godfather" of a certain team jersey collection was at first reluctant to join us because of this issue as well, but finally he is abroad and we salute him for sincerely sharing a lot of precious infos. This hobby is tainted by these kind of people.

The key here is trust. When you trust someone, you are willing to share info on great sources to help complete your collection. Trust me it works. You need it in a huge network who shares the same hobby. Which is why trust is important. And the same reason why I denied someone to enter our forum because of 'trust' issue. Sorry to say, I might be mean but that's vital. Besides the decision was made as a group, not mine alone. So once you break the trust... sorry mate.

At the end... yes, you can make profit from your sales. But please do it ethically. No fake jersey. No need to quietly sip out info from others and then misuse it.

Finally godash, I agree with you on the right as a buyer. We should boycott these kind of people.. which is what we currently do hihi..

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: Jun 12 2010, 10:45 PM

hopefully even when infos are shared among those you want to these members doesn't go around telling others about it. As if he/she were the one who tungkus lumus put in effort...hate these kind of people.

but seriously, these problem will find no end. Things exist in this world in both ways, either good or bad. Nothing is perfect.

but always remember, what you do to others, it always comes back to you. So try to do good always...

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Added on June 13, 2010, 12:25 amloquenemy, relax bro. usually dalam 7-10 days...

This post has been edited by iswandi7: Jun 13 2010, 12:25 AM

Guys , what kind of jersey is this ? Curious

its germany away 92-94

Sorry, may be my english is not good enough. In the perspective of manufacturer, i do agree that they spend a lot of money, work, etc to produce a new product and they deserved on what they earn in some way. In terms of profit, manufacturers have the highest percentage of profit ratio only as they sell in bulk. As for retailers, they have better profit margin for every single item they sell.

No wonder suddenly got a lot of 07-08 patches able to sell at RM50-70 last time, i only able to sell it at about RM80-90, just like those stores in BB. Sorry to say, is it only JC's have the right to buy the patch at £2-3? How about other Malaysians who must buy at RM89 if they don't know about this offer and now they have chance to get at RM50-70, are those people sucking blood by selling at RM 50-70? Of course, i must admit that if those people misused the information provided by senior member or anyone else to gain their own profit, this is totally unacceptable and unethical. If my memory serves me right, how much is the WCC patch did the shops in BB sell in one particular time? I have got a friend who bought at RM 80 (need to double check again, but i am sure it was pretty expensive). Later we went to a shop in Pertama, they only sold it at RM 49, so how? May be those in BB got their stock at higher price so they have to sell it at even higher price. How much does Wiggy's sell? £4! What is the cost of this patch, roughly £3-4 for small business owner, £1-3 for big business owner. Wow, with my mathematic calculation, that’s a profit margin of nearly 2 to 3 folds by taking exchange rate of £1 = RM 6 last time for those in BB.
So are they profit hunter?

So by looking at Malaysian limited purchasing power, isn’t that those big players in this industry in Malaysia should be much more ethical towards their profit margin? Sharing information is good among jersey collector’s, but how many of you really willing to share the information when the item’s is what you want but temporary couldn’t afford to buy? May be I am too honest; I wouldn’t share if the shirt or patch is what I want although I still haven’t buy it but I will definitely share my limited knowledge on jersey collections matters. Most people will only share if that particular item he/she already have, not their interest, true friendship. Take an example, anyone of you willing to share if you find 3 pieces of 96-03 starball if you couldn’t afford to buy immediately and only able to buy after 1 month?

What really shock me are some people when they might not able get the patch or any stuff they want. They can simply use their power to accuse you for misdoing and thought they are the only one that have information and able to source. Even worst, they still can do whatever they like without even dare to give any reason, to reply and the worst scenario is still able to speak nicely, may be they are afraid of interest being challenge or protecting themself since competition might arise. This is really scary to be honest, say one thing but do differently. All these are behind the scene, scary of the monopoly attitude, now I even heard that price has been increase, this is so called genuine collectors. God bless

@air_mood: weak £ as comparing to last time, may be you can do your maths yourself, hehe. I think should be lower than those in BB or quite reasonable based on my cost. Besides, you may ask other seller’s here as well how much is their profit margin

Hopefully i might have chance to buy from a HK seller selling respect and Europa patch at price of about £60 although the actual cost of the patch is roughly £2-3 only, someone have to say no to him as well, haha.

My 2 cents, take it easy

No one is saying that sellers should not make profit. But pls la, don't make too much profit and try to justify by comparing with manufacturers etc simply because no 'hard' work was actually done!

I know of one group of sellers, selling at profit, but still lower than market price! You know why? Less greed, that's the reason. They can sell at multiple times higher, but didn't, even if the item is/was rare. Now that's what ethical selling is all about. You know what? They can sleep well at night as well, no guilt whatsoever. Priceless.

This post has been edited by aw13: Jun 13 2010, 03:59 AM

Sorry to say, comparing with manufacturer to justify the profit earn and no hard work done? My english has made people misunderstood again. The manufacturer example is taking into consideration why the cost of a jersey in M'sia cost RM 259, a WCC patch cost RM80, while we don't have enough purchasing power comparing with those develope countries. This is the main factor which deter people from buying authentic product IMO. They(manufacturer) deserved to earn the money for their effort, but in how many folds they have got by setting up their factory in China, etc, how much the operator earn per day? The actual comparison is with those who operate in M'sia market but still selling at exorbitant price even a particular item isn't rare at all. There is a group of seller's who are really generous enough to offer good price because they already made promise to try to keep the price lower, but is for certain items only, if not, this is a kind of unethical practice and can't sleep well at night. Sadly for Subside's, Wiggy's, Kitbag's, they have to classify as not kind of generous seller's for some of their stuffs on sale although they do have good deals as well.

Between, if my information is correct, there will be new starball for the new season

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