If you can extend your budget to RM659,i highly recommend the Dell U2211H 21.5" 1080p LCD.If you can't you can look out for the Samsung B2230H 21.5" 1080p LCD for RM550<
The Dell uses an IPS panel thus making the LCD capable of better viewing angles and colour.It also has tilt,swivel and rotate function maikng it easier to adjust the LCD according to your seating position

This post has been edited by Racerx: Jul 11 2010, 11:32 AM

since you're using it for designing,you'll need it to be true to the printed colour,right?if so then you'll need an ips panel lcd...
the samsungs you listed are just glorified normal tn panel lcd...
there's the aoc if23 ips panel lcd going for rm709 in garage sales section,however there seems to be no reputable sites that have reviewed it yet

guys,i have a problem [kinda].is it normal to have no display when using the displayport only on the dell u2311h?i tried plugging in a dp to dvi converter then i plug in a dvi cable to that but there's no display.it says on the lcd 'no dvi cable detected'
when i unplug it and put it direct to the dvi slot,it works fine.

i found out that the converter is not working....
btw guys,does the displayport port support hdcp?i'm thinking of connecting a ps3 using that port

even the macbooks use tn panel...though it is of better quality than most other laptops lcd but it's still no ips

i suggest you forget about the built in speakers as they universally suck really bad.heck,even a rm25 sonic gear speaker sounds better than most of them.currently the favourite lcd here for your budget is the dell u2311h.it doesn't have hdmi but you can use dvi to hdmi converter.for pc you can use the displayport.the u2311h uses eIPS panel,that's what that makes it better than other lcd around your budget.

it's not impossible.the u2311h has a native resolution of 1920x1080 so if you set the ps3 to display at 1080p then it's going to work fine.btw,the speakers that i'm talking about are small,kinda like a pepsi can size.it uses usb power so you can just plug it in the lcd.the u2311h has 4 usb slots for you to use.

the quality won't drop,they're electronic signal after all

have you seen an imac before?those use ips panels too,there's tons of them in malls.i doubt you missed it before.

and yeah,the difference is real.personally,once you've gone ips you'll be hard pressed to get back to tn [unless you have super fast eyes/reflex that 8ms is too slow for you]

cheap 27" lcd would be the samsung p2770hd at 1.2k,but it's resolution is 1920x1080 and it uses a tn panel.so,it's bigger but the picture quality wouldn't be much better
or you can get the dell u2711h 27" lcd for rm2k+- at garage sales.it has a higher res of 2560x1440 and it uses an ips panel
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?sub...l&id=1265617565

you can always use dvi.hdmi is juts dvi with audio.since the u2311h doesn't have speakers that's useless.for RM750+- it's totally worth it.

or you can get the Samsung B2330H,Last time i checked it's less than RM600.BTW,LED is just the backlight,it will make the LCD brighter,thinner and use less power but not necessarily better picture....

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Added on August 24, 2010, 9:52 pm@bugijun

well,some people who bought really did get LCD with those gradient problem.But mine doesn't,hehe.IINM for the first batch it's pretty much a luck of draw.For the newer batches,can anyone else enlighten on this.

This post has been edited by Racerx: Aug 24 2010, 09:52 PM

@andrekua
are you sure the one you bought for your customer can be tilted 'cause i bought a 943bwx 2 years ago that states can be tilted in it's website but my particular unit can't be tilted due to having a simple stand only.Can anyone else clarify on this?I haven't messed around with one to know it can be tilted or not.

Yup,A00 batch,iinm it's the first batch.The price now is RM729 [-RM60 until this friday.].You can only buy it online though,shops don't sell these.
Don't bother with those dynamic contrast ratios,they're bullshit.For two TN panel LCD as the Acer and Samsung i recommend you see them in person as i can't seem to find any good reviews on them on the net.See which one you like.

The Dell uses an E-IPS panel,that's why it's better.IPS panels produce true to life colours and really wide viewing angle compared to generic TN panels found in the Samsung and Acer.An example of an IPS panel display that you can easily find is the iMacs,both the 21.5" and 27" uses IPS panels.However,generally IPS panels have slower response time [8ms vs 2-5ms],but personally i can't sense itmthey cost more and they have off-angle glowing.IMO,these are minor trade-offs compared to it's strengths.

the resolution is 1920x180 so it is full HD...
About gaming,personally i find it great.For example,in PES2010 the grass' colour looks more like real grass compared to my TN panel 943BWX.SO,generally speaking it's nice.Oh,one more thing that i have noticed [i don't game much these days],colour gradients in games are gone,like in dark scenes etc.IMO it also upscales 720p contents better,it doesn't look as crappy as with a TN panel LCD.

For movies and anime,the same can be said too.Colour gradients are gone.In Angel Beats,Yurippe's hair also looks more real eventhough it is violet as it doesn't look as 'plastic'.

You can try looking a few pages back,a forumer posted pictures of the Dell 2209WA,it uses E-IPS too.

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Added on August 24, 2010, 11:27 pmcrap,i forgot to mention this.The U2311H has NO 1:1 pixel scaling,so games that is in 4:3 aspect ratio will be stretched.This mainly happens on old games like Warcraft 3 and the likes.

This post has been edited by Racerx: Aug 24 2010, 11:27 PM

compared to LED-backlit 6bit TN Panel LCDs,yes since TN panels can't really churn out 16.7M colour as advertised.They use dithering to simulate 16.7M colours,that's why you'll see colour gradients on them.
8bit panels [some IPS and VA panels] on the other hand can really churn out 16.7M colours.This explanation isn't complete,but you can always wiki IPS to get a better understanding.

LED is just the backlight.It's not like each pixel is a LED [like AMOLED displays].

I suggest adding RM20 or [RM50 later than friday],For just a nit more you can get a LCD with an E-IPS panel.
is there something wrong with the u2211h?

Well,in my case i need the viewing angles,both vertical and horizontal because my PC is where i watch videos and game in my dorm.When doing those stuff i lie down on my bed where it's 30-45 degress below the level of the LCD.Besides that my roommates crowd my PC too because their laptops can't really game much.About colour reproduction,my eyes can tell the difference.They hurt when i use uncalibrated TN Panel LCDs.
Well,that's just me.Some of my friends can't tell the difference though.

you can try seeing them in person becasue such LCDs lack reviews and they use the same panel type.BTW,for RM50 more you can get a 21.5" Viewsonic at Viewnet.

IPS is a type of TFT-LCD,it's no plasma
you can get it for RM669 last week,if you're in no rush you might as well wait for some discount coupons

From my observation,there is backlight bleeding but on mine imo it's minimal,later tonight i'll post some pictures.But,are you sure the ST2321L doesn't have backlight bleeding?Normal LED backlights doesn't really solve backlight bleeding.