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This could be Malaysians and keepers only lifeline left.

there is a saying that " We need better politicians and govt dept officers,

NO, What we need is a better citizen."


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This post has been edited by penpower: Jul 30 2010, 09:06 AM

i see no point arguing whether this or that associations are doing good or bad to keepers. why not just set up another local association and set up another federal association?

nothing wrong in setting up another association? and nothing wrong for some to support any of his association and there is nothing wrong too if someone is not supporting certain association.

if the GP is not ready yet, why Vet Dept gives deadline till end of year to register with the dept?


Personally i think having VVIP as the head of association is really not wise.We should have professionals or highly caliber keeper as the head of the association. having someone with political background is just not suitable.

and furthermore, VVIP means what? they are caliber? they are connected? if they are so connected and caliber, why till today you all are still arguing whether that president is good or bad?

i think any of us can becomes a politician, can becomes a VVIP. There is no requirement, no qualification or IQ test that VVIP need to meet in order to becomes a VVIP. So, even someone who sell roti canai on the street can becomes a VVIP, a gangster with enough money and brothers can becomes a VVIP.




This post has been edited by penpower: Aug 1 2010, 09:20 PM

reading through all the posts in this forum, federal association is the one that forumers here are complaining all the time.
since Mr west wing is so close to the federal association, why not you suggest to the committee members and president there to resign and make way for the sake of the benefit of all keepers?
i think they will resign and make way as they are there to help keepers. lets place some younger and more energetic professionals in the federal association and build from there to unite all local association in malaysia.

we need unity to survive.

Does anyone call the federal bird's nest association president and committee members to help out to attend the meeting in georgetown? As the federal association, they are suppose to lead in the meeting whether they own any shops in georgetown or not. THats their responsibilities.

they should be the one together with ASNI to come out with a strategy to tackle heritage group in fighting for the innocent keepers in georgetown.

Mr West Wing, since you are supporter of federal association, can you call up the president and ask them what they are doing to help georgetown keepers?

Heritage Trust group is a group that fight for heritage status,whether swiftlet keepers will prevent georgetown from listed as heritage site is not really matter. As long as they Think that it is a threat to them, they will get rid the thread.

They will not cares if hundreds and thousands of malaysians who depended on this industry to survive, please spread this word to them, survive, not making profit but purely for survival to feed elders, to feed childrens.

To them they really don't cares if these keepers will have no food to feed their families, have no money to pay for basic needs and even more if millions of birds die.

Tell the ruling party in penang, this industry is not about how much profit we can make, it is how many families in georgetown that depended on it for survival.

i reckon that few associations in malaysia are in fact suggesting to the authority to allow existing farms to maintain and new one not allow.
This will bring even more trouble in foreseen futures.

Most association key personnel's becomes very arrogant and self centered after keepers appointed them to be their SERVANTS to represent them.

But slowly these so called association chairman, committee members then think that they are more intelligence and all other keepers are just brainless. So, they decides to keep all information to themselves and tackle the issue all by themselves. They will only shout out loud to their bosses (keepers) when they failed to convince the authorities and blame to the keepers that their bosses don't gives support to them.

This particular association that i mentioned is ASNI.

Why all the associations are so short sighted and never consult their bosses before deciding what they going to say to the authorities? have you call for a meeting among the members and discussed and ask for opinions before you represent all other members to attend the meeting?

Without doing that you, how do you know if what you going to say is what the majority members think is right?

Why keep on advising the authorities that only existing farms are allowed and new farms not allowed?

Who gives you the right to stop others from enjoying the fruit of the god?

The whole forum from V1 till V3, you all talk about how this industry helped to feed many rural and urban families and how this industry helped to revive so many abandoned shops and idle properties. So, why you advising the authorities to stop doing that? How about others who is also waiting for the green light to also do the same? They also have abandone shops, they also have idle properties, they also have upper floor that are empty.

What next? they will start to envy all the existing keepers, and hate come next and they will becomes a member of anti swiftlet group.

Have you thought of that?

Arrogant, self centered.



This post has been edited by penpower: Aug 10 2010, 08:37 AM

May i know which associations in malaysia that did not suggest to the authorities to only allowed existing shop farms to maintain? then i will join that association and buy an abandone shop and renovate it into a swiftlet sanctuary. I guess those allies with the federal association all did just that to protect their own shops and investments. Congrat, good work. What you all did benefitted the future generation and beyond.

Mr Lucas could be from another planet or he is from the past as no one from the present generation think liked our forefathers who fought for nothing but rightous. No compromise, no self centered, and with no fear.

Unfortunately, you might be the only one left. Maybe Tengku Razaliegh is right that the present generation in power just let the future generation down. The future generation of swiftlet keepers and malaysians will have to clean up all the mess that the present swiftlet keepers left.

I think the present generation of forumer's here are more interested to talk about how good their swiftlet keeping skills and etc and etc.


i am delighted that some of you shared the same view in not suggesting to the authorities that only existing farms allowed to stay, but how many of you had done just that when you meeting with the authorities? very very few and none from this forum. when pushed by them, you all will say it, please at least allow the existing to stay in order to protect you own investment.

this is not a popular subtopic here, please go on and talk about how good your swiftlet skills are. tq.

poison pens hired by the anti swiftlet groups..or group.

mr lucas, not that we don't dare to talk frankly but no point doing it here as those that active here are just too selfish to also think liked you. They are here or in their respective associations to protect their own farms. any conditions that does not affect them personally they will happily leave it that way. conditions such as new farms not allowed or near to residential not allowed. from the way they commented here you know that this will not affect them so they can comfortably and proudly tell us that they have done so and so.

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Added on August 13, 2010, 9:29 pmi stayed 5km away from swiftlet farming area and you can see swiftlets flying around the residential area all the long. So, it is just logic that it is very unclever to stop farming near to residential area. since one of the reason that cause problem near residential area is due to sound pollution and this is resolved with the 1GP been implemented where sound will controlled at 40db. then why those in power ( i did not only mentioned about politicans in power in my previous post but also those keepers IN POWER) accepted the authorities suggestion?

You are IN POWER to service all swiftlet keepers, you are our servants.


This post has been edited by penpower: Aug 13 2010, 09:29 PM

i am referring to few active forumers here and some of them active in their own respective associations.

I congratulate you that you are qualified to become a politician in malaysia. I do not wish to create any uneasiness in this forum. but each time i read your posts here and some others, i just want to vomit.
Don't waste your talents, please do becomes a politician as you are more than qualified for any posts that are available.

Please continue with your fairytales about swiftlet farming in this forum. I hoped my few posts had highlighted the problems with the present Keepers IN POWER, if continue uncheck, they will destroyed many more ricebowls for the sake of keeping theirs.

You don't have to own any farm to know what is right and what is wrong.

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Added on August 14, 2010, 4:10 pmit is always pain in the ass when someone referring you as their servant but keepers never forced you to become their servant as you are very concern with your own investment that make you active in your respective association and you are willing to represent others in order for the authorities to listen to you. You are using your position to have a say and discuss with the authorities. But from all the news that coming out and shared in this forum, you are using the keepers power to protect your own ricebowl and wash your hands with other keepers dilemma. Do you think you are doing the right thing here?
Your action is just the same liked a Corrupted Officer.



This post has been edited by penpower: Aug 14 2010, 04:10 PM

I wonder how many of you know how loud is 40db sound level?
i think it should be at about the level where we whisper or having a normal conversation.
Executing the condition to all keepers will avoid any future complains from the neigbours and those near to residential area. I supported it 100%.
Any of you have calculated the total units of shopfarms that near to residential area in malaysia which are not represented by those so called bird's nest associations (whom are mostly representing keepers that own million ringgits shoplots in commercial area )? I hoped that someone here can alert them that they are keep in the dark by these group of keepers IN POWER.
I read in previous posts that our Prime Minister has a PA that oversea this industry needs and i hoped that he or she is reading this forum to remind the Prime Minister that those so called associations does not represent all the keepers in malaysia. Please check the 1GP again and make sure that those poorer and those that really need their farms to suvive are been taken cares of as the 1GP is been drafted with the HELP of those million ringgit shoplot owners in commercial area. These peoples don't really cares if rural area keepers will loose their life savings and their only livelihood.

This post has been edited by penpower: Aug 15 2010, 10:50 AM

Red nests issue is an excuse to justify more red tapes are needed in this industry, bear in mind all are having a great time fighting for survival and some need some extra money to buy new cars, new houses and etc.

This post has been edited by penpower: Aug 23 2010, 07:33 PM

heard from my friend who read the news this morning in chinapress that the new appointed president of selangor bird's nest association had warn all farmers in selangor to register under the association as soon as possible. He said that the dateline to register with the government dept is by this sept 2010 which is next week.

anyone know about this issue? i read from previous posts that Veterinery dept had informed all farmers that they must register by end of the year and they never mentioned about the need to becomes a member of any association previously...why there are two versions of information coming out?

is the new president is trying to coax farmers to register in his association?

why need to used such dirty tactics to blackmails all farmers to becomes a member of an association?