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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post May 9 2010, 12:10 PM

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Dear Cergau,

Below message is what you are asking for and I really appreciate all concerned for the input @forum for all to share and for us to forward to relevant authorities unlike many people who will just keep quite and then curse when thing gone bad.

Shabas, you all are truly " Knights of the Swiftlets ".

Mesage to me are:

We are having our PPSB Exco Emergency Meeting on the 11th to discuss the Bill
and will have appointment to meet Datuk Sri Chua Soi Lek the next day.
Will keep you inform, if you have any information, please kindly pass to us.

Thank you.

Dato Beh


Time: 3pm (Tuesday) @ Sunway......... From the letter concerned, we do understand that Dato Beh is also concerned about the situation and that all new information can also be email to him. Better speak and act now. Ask not what other has done if you haven't help yourself.

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post May 9 2010, 04:16 PM

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It was never a rich man biz in BH as unlike human being, swiftlets are not so choosy that they will go only for the 5-stars birdhouse as I found that one of my friend started out doing it small...just a 15 feets by 20 feets single floor BH in the middle of his small few acre oil palm land. Now, his tiny BH has about a few kilo of nests each harvest and now, he can afford to build another slightly larger BH few meters away. Only in swiftlets can one can find fortune without going to crime.

So, instead of having idle land around, just build a simple House for the birds and who know, you may be a lucky winner, too.
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post May 10 2010, 12:27 PM

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Onr way to teach those BH owners that refused to follow certain simple rules and regulations is to allow the Local Authorities or the Local Association to unplug the fuse from the main electricity incoming line provided that they have the permission from the Police to do so.

We must admit that there are afew black sheep among us and that we are not all law bidding and peace loving. Those few uncooperative ones must be taught a lesson or else other will follow......like the problem caused by the midnight cowboys ( motorcycles racers) causing so much sleepless nights/accidents and now, those youngsters have resort to stealing or robbing unsuspected victims in the middle of the nights to get money to support their nightly activities.

If the Police has taken action in the bud, there will not be the present situation where those youngsters have to be shot to stop them and who will be responsible; the Police !!!!!

By the way, how to stop a fast running motorcyclist bearing false numberplate and having no driving license and infact most of these parents know what their sons are doing and these parents should also be lock up.

Coming back to BHs, better we prevent those few black ones from causing damages to our friendship and understanding with the neighbours, lest we end up victims due to the fault of a few selfish ones......must send them photos of "Mukah Incident" to remind them of what would happened to them if they don't cooperate.
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post May 10 2010, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ May 10 2010, 05:20 PM)
Unc WW,
Check email, urgent & important msg.
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Dear Cergau,

Has done as requested and hope for the best.........as the best for most of us is to pray that the Fed Guys will do their parts....

and hope that God make those who create so much pain in us to repent.
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post May 11 2010, 12:52 PM

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Something I thought of it long ago and didn't do it @ agriculture land because of security @ Agriculture land.

Warning: Pekan swiftlets Association sms that there is a group of 6 having dangerous weapons stealing EBN from BHs in Pekan-Rompin area so be careful when approaching these thieves....cos they are armed.

Time are bad enough without Perhilitan coming in for a kill, too.......the Chinese saying should go like this." Front door, we have Perhilitan and back door, we have robbers".


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post May 11 2010, 05:46 PM

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First, the Perhilitan smells Blood($) in this industry then the Health ministry want a say in the GP.....sooner or later, all government departments and agencies want a piece of the meat!!!

Words of Advice, sell your BH when it's high or otherwise they may just take it away.......................cara 1Malaysia!!!!!!

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post May 11 2010, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ May 11 2010, 06:10 PM)
That is one of the major reasons why the profitabilty of this industry should not have been disclosed, especially in this forum.
Never even estimate how much is being exported, even speculation will make people jealous.

Now, everyone wants a piece of the action. It's quite obvious IRS will be making demands next.

Regardless of the high failure rate, the successful ones will be also sucked dry.

Again be AWARE that NGOs are reading this forum for ammunition against all swiftlet ranchers. We are the fools for keeping them well informed.
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My friend Tuck Fook.....you worried too much,

BH is infact a poor man dream to be rich just like buying lottery but here in BH, you don't lose.....you only draw as all investment will be refunded to you by the next guy who wish to try his luck at the Jack Pot. Share Market does not appeal to me at all cos they are manipulated by the super rich and powerful men.


It's just like gold mining, if you strike gold...you will be well taken care off in your old age and your children education be paid for but if you don't, never mind cos you still get back your investment. Head, you win and Tail, you draw ....so no problem.

Those Hyenas can smell blood and they have their sources even without you telling and what do you think the ECO guys are preaching all this while!!!!!! Pot of Gold at every BH invested and feed the hyenas with the taste of the good thing.......but if you haven't got lots of meat (EBN), no problem with them and only when you are successful, they will come to get their share of meat.

Here, what I wish is to have as many Malaysian esp Malay to be in the trade as most Malays do have idle land @ Kampung and there are poor malay as well as poor chinese and indian but the Malays have the advantages here as they do have lots of land.

We aren't selfish and we wish to teach all Malaysian irrespective of color or religion to be successful.......how to persuade and one way is to tell how good and easy it is to make from the trade unlike planting padi or others....and it is not lies cos Allah is almighty and if He wish to give, Alhamduellah.

The swiftlets come and go as they please and only God determine if they stay.....Amen.

ps....my intentions here are always for everybody to read especially the NGOs and the Authorities concerned.....hope that they do have heart.


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post May 12 2010, 03:36 PM

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We are all focusing on Perhilitan as our only enemy but beware of our back side; our so called friendly departments that we must also be careful, too incase of back stepping. Infront, we can see and take defensive action but what about our back side where we are totally blind. Let's hope that there are no "Udang sebalek batu" .


Government's full support and relaxation of controls and conditions are necessary for any industry to be successful during the teething period, Imposing too stringent controls over the swiftlets Industry will only deter investors from investing in the industry and also those in the industry from expanding.

Although, some general controls, rules and regulations are deemed necessary for healthy growth of the industry but too much unnecessary controls, rules and regulations will scare away investors. Investors' friendly government policies over the industry is utmost priority so as to give interested investors confidence to invest or reinvest for the future of the industry.

Remembered that Great Caesar was murdered by the friendly Brutus and so be careful of who walking behind you too.....


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post May 12 2010, 08:36 PM

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[quote=Cergau,May 12 2010, 06:43 PM]
Regulatory Status of Codes of Practice
While the codes certainly serve an important adjunct to expert/testimony in the revice Animal Ordinance 1953, they should not and of themselves be used to determine compliance or the legality of a particular operation. Codes are recommended guidelines not required standards.


I am wondering if DVS Walet site is for registering each individual bird or BH??[/b][/color]


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1. Proof of ownership.......Hey! for goodness sake!!! we are taking free flying swiftlets that don't belong to you or me. They come and go as they please...how to proof of ownership and why need to do so.

2. Tagging ??? I don't see a reason for it at all and it cause stress and maybe death to the fast flying swiftlets if we are to tag the swiftlets. Has anyone done it and succeed? No because I truly believe that any additional weight to the swiftlets will cause the swiftlets to die as we understand that the swiftlets feed while flying and cannot afford to have the slightest error. Catching an insect while flying fast need precision flying and accurately but by adding weight on one leg will offset the equilibrium and control of their flight. Instate of the fly go into the mouth, it may hit the swiftlet in the eye and now, we will have one eyed swiftlet. Or the swiftlet may die of hunger.

3. I don't agree to any manual feeding of swiftlet by human being as human can cause contamination and disease to the swiftlets thru food and hand. Only if the swiftlet is injured, we may apply the method to treat the birds but the changes of surviving such injury is rather small. I rather let GOD decide if the injured bird is going to survive or not by placing the swiftlet in to my Bh irrespective of where I found the injured swiftlet. From this method, I have saved many swiftlets from have fallen to the ground from neighbouring BH during their maiden flight by placing the fallen swiftlets into my BH and the swiftlets do survive.

I have been successful in saving fallen chicks that fell to the floor accidentally by putting the chicks back into the nests. How it is done is to ensure that the fallen chick be put back into the same nest by observing the size of the remaining chick in the nest. Just remember that AF swiftlet produce 2 chicks and if you care enough for the fallen chick, you will help it to find it's nest.

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post May 13 2010, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ May 13 2010, 01:16 PM)


Have you watched this old movie 'The Gods Must be Crazy' and the Coke bottle?
They have never seen a Coke bottle.

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So, you did saw the movie, and I thought that I was the only crazy guy watching the movie.........

I was OK until I watched that crazy movie and now, I think I am really crazy.....hahahaha


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post May 13 2010, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ May 13 2010, 07:42 PM)
anyone here got a BH? successful?
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Are you kidding??? So Many and if you asked, anyone here having unsuccessful Bh, you get similar answers, too.......

You must be new and what can we do for you???? Hunting for a successful BH, you came to the right place if the price is great! Nothing in the world cannot be sold.................people with principle are so rare and I am one of those rare but crazy one.

Let me tell you a story, few years ago, 2 JPJ officers stop my car and told me that I was speeding and I protested that I didn't. The officers were very rude and demand my driving license and gave me a ticket and told me that if I disagreed, I can go to court.

I went to my local JPJ ofice to see the Boss here and asked that the summon be cancelled because I didn't commit the offence as stated. The Pengurus told me that the best he can do is to give my 50% discount but I don't want to admit guilty. To pay is to admit guilty guity so I went to court and after 7 times and over one year, I finally won my case. My wife said that I was a fool and those lawyers I saw over the year @ the court house told me that if Malaysia has many people with principle like me, lawyers will be rich. I spend over 3 thousand ringgits for a Rm300 summon.......and driving over 100 km to the court to hear..." Case Postpone to another date"

Everyone has been telling me to pay the summon @ 50% discount but me and my principle and it was really very costly and my lawyer told me that there was no way to sue JPJ to claim all the expenses incurred.

The moral of story is no matter if we are totally right, we sometime need to compromised and settle peacefully or else, we end up being the only loser................... so in case if we need to compromise, I think that we should.....What do you think?????
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post May 14 2010, 01:39 AM

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We all @ forum are rare species but then we are alone cos the majorities are just watching us like as if we are on stage.

That's the problem with our society, most of our raayat are of the tidak apa altitude and think that others will do the job. I have been forwarding and telling my local Association to do this and that but end up mostly not done or that I need to do them. I was telling one of the key officer the other day about the GP and the wildlife Act. his remark was what is the urgency as the GP and wildlife Act are still not here.....just like a ship going to high sea and most of the crews are not prepare for storm or pirates and most of them telling you why worried so much, there is no storm or pirate......

I believe this is not only happening at my town but it is the same in every town.........they will expect someone else will take care of the problem until the fire burn their houses, then they will cry for help and jump up and down.

BHs owners or investors should go to your local associations to urge them to take positive actions and go to the emergency meeting of the Fed Association to push your points thru otherwise, don't blame others when you drown. If you are concerned about your BH, your future and your retirement, do it for yourself and never expect others to do all your fighting for you.

I am going to take at least 3 months leaves from swiftlets matter as I am suffering from a new form of illness........."swiftlet Mania" and need to change my life without swiftlets. Sleepless nights and I am getting old. We have many capable young men like Cegau and others who have the energy to fight. We can depend on you guys and hope many others will join you.


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post May 15 2010, 11:55 AM

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[quote=hackwire,May 14 2010, 06:38 PM]
But what happen after you go to court? So what did u get in the end? Did you get to sue the policemen for negligence or even corrupt?

Oh…Suspension from driving, that’s what I get for fighting my case with JPJ, JPJ wrote me a letter demanding that I surrender my driving license to the nearest JPJ office within a week for accumulating 3 summons; mind you that I have 3 cars under my name which my wife and sons may used. So, normally, I just paid the summons as I don’t who was driving at that time………even my friend told me that he at least has over 10 summons each year and he’s still driving……..this is one of the ways the department get back to you for taking them to court; Honesty and principle can’t survive in a corrupted, unfair and unjust world. At last, I was the loser, having to depend on my wife to dive me like a OKU during the period of suspension....luckily, they didn't have my license for life, then I will be OKU for life......again me and my principle and any lawyer here, are you laughing cos guys @ this forum are all Men with Principle and you gonna be pretty rich

No worry, I am me and always be me, a Man with Principle and they can take away my license, take away my money and even take away my life but they can never take away my Principle.....

#no swiftlets matter from me, Doctor's order ie my wife.


One last question……I know that the Fed Committee have met and they went to see MCA President over the matter and what’s the outcome???? I heard that MCA President met PM over the matter, right? Best if someone check it out….

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post May 19 2010, 12:51 PM

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Processed EBN should be able to be sold in local market without any hindrance but for export some sort of regulations as to the quality of the product is deemed necessary having a similar Malaysian CE marking.

Quote#Although CE marking is self compliance to the conformity of the product, CE marking is a mandatory European marking for certain product groups to indicate conformity with the essential requirements set out in European Directives. In order to use the CE mark on a product the manufacturer must draw up a Declaration of Conformity (DoC) in which the manufacturer attests conformity with all relevant New Approach Directives (NADs) and takes sole legal responsibility. In some instances an NAD may require a Notified Body to issue a Certificate of Conformity in order to verify performance of the product or constancy of the production process (Factory Production Control) for example.

The DoC must include: manufacturer's details (name and address etc); essential characteristics the product complies; any European standards and performance data; if relevant the identification number of the Notified Body; and a legally binding signature on behalf of the organization.#

So, what Malaysia Government need to do is the similar sets of conformity, all interested in exporting EBN can export but must complies to some form of standards in self declaration and if the exported EBN does not conform with the requirements as stated, the exporter will have to pay heavy penalties or fine and added to it, the exporter will be black listed.

This is to safeguard the quality of Malaysian EBN or otherwise because of one Black Malaysian, all Malaysian EBN become Black in Chinese eyes.
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post May 27 2010, 12:36 PM

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Just passing by and must add,

Best if we can get all,
1. The Anti Swiftlets
2. Neighbour and friends
3. VIP, the YB and the YAB
4. NGO
5. The Press
6. The Authorities
7. Anybody and everybody

to be in the industry........ to share God's given wealth. Only thru this way, nobody will complaint and bird music sound so wonderful to the ears.....

So, go out and convince your YBs, YABs and all to invest in the industry. I did and have successfully converted some anti swiftlets ppls into the trade and now, they are 100% pro swiftlets as they saw the LIGHT.




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post May 29 2010, 05:44 PM

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In all those I help in persuading to build BHs or helping in solving BHs problems, I always emphasis that no harm shall come to the birds and families that feed us…..it kind of hurting the hand that feed us. The birds shall be our guests and we shall treat them like ones.
I truly believe that you will be successful if you really care and concerned about the swiftlets by providing with the best of Sanctuary that you can provide ( It may not be a 5th.Star one) and they will reciprocate you with nests; their way of showing that they respect and love you and how it this can happened, maybe it’s enigma, my friends. The swiftlets came but they may one day be gone and who can imagine that the wild birds once used to living in cave suddenly decided to migrate to our house. Also, how a hummingbird evolved itself from a honey eating bird becoming to a nest producing swiftlets….. even if Charles Robert Darwin is living today, I still tell him that there is God. Maybe, evolution is created by God..
So, for those reader who are actively involve in Anti Swiftlets, beware that in the event that the swiftlets Sanctuaries (BirdHouses) be destroyed in town, you shall be responsible for millions of deaths and you shall be answerable to God.

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post May 30 2010, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ May 29 2010, 09:47 PM)
Rooftop farming booming in New York

NEW YORK, April 26 — Urban farming is a growth industry in New York city’s concrete jungle, and with little open land free agriculturalists and beekeepers have taken to the rooftops to pursue their passion.

Andrew Cote uses the emergency fire ladder to climb up to the roof of his East Village building, where he tends to 250 bee hives.

Cote, a professor of Japanese literature, doubles up as president of the New York City Beekeepers Association, and is happy that the city authorised beekeeping in mid-March after an 11-year ban.

“The city wants to plant one million trees, and the trees need to be pollinated,” Cote told AFP.

The ban forced beekeepers into hiding, fearing a US$2,000 (RM6,400) fine if caught. Now Cote believes the bees are vital to helping keep the city green.

“Our bees pollinate, and they clean the air. It is a way to connect with nature,” he said.

Bees also produce around 100 pounds of honey per hive per year, he said — honey that he sells at the city’s various farmer’s markets.

Cote said he has received several requests to instal rooftop beehives, and the demand is such that on Sunday he is scheduled to offer a course for aspiring apiculturalists.

On the other side of Manhattan, in the posh Upper East Side, Eli Zabar, owner of the upscale “Vinegar Factory” delicatessen, inspects the crops he is growing on the roof of the old factory bought in 1991.

“I began the green houses 15 years ago,” Zabar told AFP. “I grow heirloom tomatoes, lots of different kinds of lettuce, herbs, basil, rosemary, thyme, raspberries, figs, beets. We use the heat of the bakeries and pastries, we recycle the heat. With the use of the heat we have eliminated our (carbon) footprint.

“You harvest in the morning, you sell in the afternoon, you don’t refrigerate, it tastes better,” said Zabar. “We pick everything ripe and ready to eat. All our products here are organic.”

Depending on the hour of the time of day, Zabar says with a smile, “the green houses smell of bread, brownie or croissant.”

About half of the items Zabar sells in his deli comes from rooftop farms.

From Manhattan to Brooklyn, whether on rooftops, backyards or in any of the city’s 600 community gardens, urban farming is a growing phenomenon.

The movement is helped along by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who seeks to turn the city into a sustainable development champion. Through “PlaNYC 2030,” a programme he launched on Earth Day 2007, people who instal “green roofs” can get a tax break.

At Randall’s Island, in New York’s East River, the city’s Parks and Recreation Department is currently testing 16 different types of vegetation that could be placed on the roofs of schools, hospitals or other public buildings.

“These are patches of succulent vegetation, like sedum, which protect the roofs, (and) isolate the buildings from the heat because the UV (ultra-violet) sun is not hitting,” said senior project manager John Robilotti.

The rooftop vegetation also helps maintain a steady temperature inside and captures storm water, which would otherwise run off into the street.

“The water that does come out is filtered and kept in tanks, and we use it to water when there is no rain,” Robilotti said.

The roofs “absorb carbon and create oxygen, so we take carbon from the carbon cycle.

“And they attract birds, butterflies, bees. We even saw a red-tailed hawk,” he said. — AFP-RelaxNews
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/mobile/...ng-in-New-York/

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Beautiful, well said...... I did mentioned about roof top garden for BH before. .it's what we need for our urban BHs as we have natural organic fertilizer for our roof top garden and this way, we recycle all waste from our urban BH plus creating fresh air to the already polluted urban air.

Keeping the temperature and humidity @ BH well maintained and also saving money and maintaining good health; Fruits and greens from the roof top's harvest can be given to our BH's neighbours as Good Will. With all urban BHs involved n the project, our local government need not encourage public or use public fund to plant greens as we have all the greens @ roof tops of every BHs in town. Go green, I would say by bringing the green to town........bringing nature to our town.

Someone here may want to venture into this roof top design and construction buz cos there are alot of money to make. I may try to submit my BH roof top garden to the majlis for approval if anyone here with experiencing or idea for such project can help in the design and method of doing a roof garden. Just thinking of the birds, butterflies and the bees bring sweet and happy imagination/feelings but certainly not the red-tail hawk or any of such predators cos we have more than enough of human predators already.

Good job, Chank, I would say....
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post May 30 2010, 05:51 PM

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Lately, haven't you all notice that the mosquitoes now are also getting smarter. These maybe due to the fact that our swiftlets are eating up these mosquitoes so fast that the mosquitoes need to invent a new strategy to survive.

The mosquitoes now dive straight down whenever they sense danger, wanting to evade the swifltets that may wipe out the mosquitoes in town; the lesson learned by the mosquitoes is that if you can't outrun them, dive straight down and swiftlets can't dive straight down. SO clever, you mosquitoes and hope that the authorities also learn like the mosquitoes.............. smarter for the sake of our nation.

The raayat should appreciate that with the swiftlets coming to town, they have controlled the mosquitoes populations as well as other pests like houseflies and termites which have been causing millions of ringgit of damages yearly.
Ada Walet, Tiada Nyamuk or
Hapuskan Dengue Dengan Walet
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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ May 30 2010, 04:46 PM)
All Sifu , i have some question to ask :

How you guys install the tweeter in BH ??
What is the best song for the swiftlets ??
Which tweeter should i buy for internal and external ??
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These are only the ABC of BH. and all here do know and can help. If you are buying, many do sell these products here and you may want to buy from them with some professional advice thrown in for free, I think.

1. Tweeter Arrangement ...all depend on which Sifu.
2. Best Song.....I like Teresa Teng and what about you? No best song but which one is more suitable to your area.
3. Better ones( Maybe waterproof) for the external and simple ones for the internal. If you have more money to waste, then you may want to buy all expensive tweeters...................

That's my opinion on the matter above.


Added on May 30, 2010, 6:19 pm
QUOTE(ChanK @ May 30 2010, 05:32 PM)
while waiting for cergau announcement, why not go to bookstore and grab a book to read?

http://dinmerican.wordpress.com/2010/05/20...averick-part-1/
as for tauyik, different conditions, different solutions. if you think all the partitions are blocking the birds from entering then u should slowly removed it one by one and see whether it improve your birds count or not.

if your sifu say is not important abt humi n temp, then u should instead of removing the partitions, u should removes your sifu first then only u remove the partitions one by one. look at the bird shits spot on the partition, u might find which part of the partition that u should removed.

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I just love your" U should removes your Sifu first" and I strongly agreed with you........no offence, Sifu if you are reading my comments cos you really don't know the art of swiftlet ranching if you have given such advice. Many Consultants out there are giving wrong and bad advices to newbiz and that's what's contributing to the public's complaints about the loud sound disturbances. For those who don't abide by the regulation that the sound be kept at a reasonable level and at reasonable time.....go ahead and dismantle their amplifier and issue these black sheeps with a ticket for bringing unrest to the raayat.

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As I see it......

So far so good as there are no failure in prime swiftlet town area and only very very slow growth in some of them. This will continue as long as those old Bhs maintain their support and supply by providing new birds to the new BHs. As long as the owners of the old BHs have the confidence that their BHs wil remain, they will not resort to the feeling as though that the end of the world is around the corner by harvesting to the fullest as if there are no tomorrow.

As the government encourage the raayat to invest into this industry, the agriculture BHs can flourish only if BHs @ town allow their birds to reproduce and fledge or otherwise, there will be little or no growth as 80% of the new birds are coming from the town. What the old BHs will get back is a max. of 25% of its fledged birds returning to breed and the rest will fly to other locations.

What the government decide now will definitely change the whole industry. To allow the BHs in town forever will be a key factor in the success of the industry. To say 'NO" or to give a few years will have a negative impact to the industry. To move is like putting the industry back by at least 10 years.

Success in core area is almost certain presently but at agriculture land may depend on its location and the number of new BHs. This is why many has posted that only 20% success rate in new BHs as many are at bad locations, and out of swfitlets' towns. Selection of location is the most importance of all in the making of BH........as I see it.

My little understanding to share with all for the future and knowledge of all interested in the Art and Science of Providing Sanctuaries for Swiftlets. If armed with all knowledge in the art and science of the trade and if you fail, you can only blame it on your ill luck or on the government bad decision and action on your unfortunate failure. Omitofo



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