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Lucas 1
post May 10 2010, 06:24 PM

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Dear all,

Well done, cergau, WW and many others in this forum, for all you have done trying to save the industry. Our salute to you. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Meanwhile, the bird’s nest industry of Malaysia is facing an impending would be disaster or probably an onslaught greatest ever given by the PERHILITAN now. This is going to affect extreme adversely on everybody in the industry with absolutely no one is spared if timely remedial steps is not innovated to counter. Of course, certain quarter from the industry ought to be held responsible for such negligence and insensitive and incompetency later. They voluntarily and misleadingly claimed to be the guard dogs for the industry but insteads made the industry to become underdog. But we have no time on this for the moment. The FEDERATION OF ASSOCIATIONS which has been claiming to represent all in the industry with or without official sanction or recognition from all in the industry, is now like ants on the hot pan calling for EGM held tomorrow, 11.05.10 @ 3pm at Sunway. It seems they are panic now and are running out of ideas. They are very desperate and are appealing openly through West Wing in this forum for positive ideas or solutions from all.

We would also appeal to all in this forum to spread the message across to alert all in the industry to help in by sharing in your brain power for positive solutions or ideas as to how to tackle the situation. Please either post your suggestion here or pm to me so your suggestions could be conveyed to the FED ASSO or those involved as soon as possible. It doesn’t matter now whether you disagree with or disrespect them. We are all on the same boat and the difference is they are the minority and are in the front playing with match sticks and we are at behind. We have to help saving them before we are saved too. They are also another main prong yet to start while the others are already silently working on it for the past weeks.

For your info, DL and his taskforce have been dug out from their graves of retirement and they have been closely monitoring the situation for the past weeks. DL is advising all in the industry and all his old comrades to be on the full alert and on the standby to cooperate again in unity throughout the country like before for an eventual national protest under citizen’s rights vested under the CONSTITUTION against the PERHILITAN if situation is unavoidable and not settled amicably by the perpetrator, the PERHILITAN to withdraw its nonsensical Bill voluntarily. We do know of their hidden evil agenda all this while. We do not want any present or future interference into the bird’s nest industry by the PERHILITAN at all under whatsoever pretext for this industry is never under their jurisdiction for this is cultivated house swiftlet nest from privately owned sanctuary and NOT those found in the natural caves on govt land. It is definitely defeating the purpose and pulling the legs on our PM’s 1MALAYSIA policy in which our PM has been encouraging to groom and to tap the potential of the bird’s nest industry to its fullest to bring in foreign revenue and wealth to this country and its people. What is the use of the special allocation of RM600 million funds granted by the PM the moment he took over office to support the growth of the 3 HIGH VALUED INDUSTRIES of the bird’s nest, the arowana fish and the sea weeds? The way the PERHILITAN is fooling around, it is definitely belittling the PM and making it not only a national MOCKERY but also an international one on our PM’s image.

No wonder, the PERHILITAN is viewed as the most notorious govt department. If not, how come a certain executive approving power has been transferred from the DIRECTOR GENERAL to the Minister concerned announced last month? This is something really unthinkable. That clearly indicates that not one senior PENGARAH in the department can be trustable. Normally, the DG or KP can be interdicted or suspended under the name of going holidays pending investigation and another senior be appointed to be acting DG to take over. This must be a very serious case that warrants such action.

Nonetheless, we wish to remind the PERHILITAN department that it is better to stop it. We are not to negotiate with you for the lesser. We are telling you to completely stop the nonsense before too late. Please be reminded that you are our civil servants to serve the people with salary paid from the people unless you are an organized crime syndicate with hidden agenda to prey on the people.

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post May 11 2010, 03:36 AM

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We would like to highlight some inputs for the FEDERATION OF THE ASSOCIATIONS the following important facts and proposals to be considered and deliberated in their EGM;-

1) The BH operation in Malaysia is generally operated by individual having only one floor, 2 floors or 3 floors of a unit of building. And this is a passive type of investment by individual citizen. There is no guarantee for immediate success. This is analogical to the operation of the rubber or oil palm small holders with only an acre or two and they also pray to the god for mercy at times.

2) The number of BHs in the whole of Malaysia could by now already reached 100,000 units. If you think that the number is very big, and then compares it with the estate small holders, the coffee shops, the sundries shops, hawkers etc which could be a lot more than the BHs amounting to at least few hundred thousand if not more than a million each. Yet all these coffee shops, sundries shops and hawkers are under the Local council’s jurisdiction with only one simple and hassle free license.

3) Since the inauguration of this modernized bird’s house industry in Malaysia more than 10 years ago till today, the few states that issued premise license to the BHs are Kelantan, Penang, Perak, Pahang, etc. These licenses are all issued under PETTY TRADES AND COTTAGE INDUSTRIES under the Local councils with no problem and hassle free for many years. Besides this, there isn’t the involvement of any other department nor their licenses required. So far, everything is fine and under well control of the Local Councils.

4) Among these existing 100,000 BHs, more than 98% belongs to private individual passive investors. They are just like the coffee shops, sundries shops and hawkers found everywhere. Is there a NATIONAL GUIDESLINES or 1GP governing them? If not, then, why do we want a 1GP for the individually owned BHs?

5) Only less than 2% of the bird’s nest operation in the case of ECOPARKs is of large commercial scale operation like the big housing developments, the multibillion supermarkets, and the giant sized estates with thousands to million acres like SIME DARBY, IOI etc and the multimillion livestock farming. These super large sized investments may warrant and justify for a comprehensive guidelines to govern.

6) If this is the vision of our PM to encourage the fast growth of this industry so to tap its potential to compete with our neighbouring countries for the foreign revenue and wealth for this country and its people, why do we want 1GP acting like many huddles placing in front of these small individual investors? How are we in Malaysia to compete with our neighbouring countries counterparts who do not have any restrictions or hurdles from their Govt?

7) What is that so proud wanting to declare Malaysia as the world first country in the world to have 1GP for its bird’s nest industry? In actual fact, this is a self imposed handicap crippling ourselves. No wise leader would do that. Instead, the Govt should take off as many bureaucratic procedures as possible to let the industry move faster to outrun neighbouring countries to compete for the much needed hot money to aid our ailing internal economy. Instead of allocating RM600million to promote the 3 HIGH VALUED INDUSTRIES, that is RM200million each for the bird's nest industry, arowana farming and the sea weed culture, the Govt might as well withdraw the RM200million for the bird's nest industry and to give incentives such as pioneer status, exemption of yearly assesment, license fee and quit rent etc up to 5 to 10 years for all BH operaton.

8) Therefore, the best solution to achieve our PM’s vision is to just treat this industry as a normal industry to let it enjoy the same as other general trades under the Local Council of needing only one straight forward Lesen Premis for the BH operation without any hassle.

9) As to the recent PERHILITAN new Bill issue, a panel of professional experienced constitutional lawyers should be engaged to study the matter. Don’t get free or semi professionals or none constitutional lawyers to do it. We want only the best specialists to help in. If necessary, a court action can be considered.

10) We must insist complete hands off from the PERHILITAN on this industry with no compromise on whatsoever. Same time, please look into the alleged illegitimate impose of Exit Tax on nests exported that the PERHILITAN has been secretly and low profile collecting at the exit points since 2007 victimizing and terrorizing mainly out-going foreign tourists. Many foreigners were forced to pay bribe in order to be able to catch the plane. It is tarnishing Malaysia’s good image. Please bear in mind that, the PERHILITAN’s jurisdiction is only confined to the wild swiftlet nest from the natural caves on govt land. They may collect only certain fee on the wild nests harvested right at the spot inside the cave before the nests shifted out. Had they really have the jurisdiction, they need not to do it quietly and secretly. They are exploiting the grey area in the ACTS.

11) Please also be alerted that the PERHILITAN isn’t a department that have the jurisdiction to collect taxes on behalf of the Govt. Under the CONSTITUTIONS OF MALAYSIA the only departments specially assigned to collect taxes and revenue are the Inland Revenue Department and the Custom and Excise under the Ministry of Finance. However, the Ministry of Finance is encouraging the export of bird’s nest in exchange of foreign revenue, therefore, there is zero tax or duty for all nests exported. The collection of EXIT TAX on the bird’s nest by the PERHILITAN is thus illegal and illegitimate. Please investigate into this to confirm.

12) To form a task force comprised of professionals and volunteers to collect info from owners of malpractices committed on the industry by the various departments and to investigate.

13) To consider calling for a national signature campaign from all in the industry if situation warrants.

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post May 11 2010, 04:48 PM

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HYENA IS STALKING??? cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif




The present situation of the Malaysia Bird’s Nest industry is definitely looked bad and gloomy enough with the greedy and unscrupulous evil agenda Govt department behaving like tiger pounding on the industry at the front gate while the thieves and the robbers are like leopards climbing on the roof at all time. And now, news or rumours of another hyena is approaching quietly from behind. We have just received an urgent email from someone claimed insider of the following, wanting us to relay it to the FED ASSO immediately to be discussed too in their EGM right now. We hope someone can do it. We are now too loss of words, and we also put it up here to invite your comments, opinions, and suggestions. Circumstantial evidences pointing to 20% chance, the info is untrue.
OH, THE ALMIGHTY GOD PLEASE HELP SAVE MALAYSIA AND ITS PEOPLE………..



Veterinary department has proposed strict control over the swiftlet nest business.

1 All premises will strictly adhere to GAHP recommendations
2 All exports to go through a governing body, to ensure quality and health standards. Presumably incl. price and to carry the "Product of Malaysia"
3 All processing to be done by approved factories to be able to enforce (2)
4 All Swiftlet Ranches will be registered and all produce will be recorded and traceable via RFID.
5 No unprocessed nests allowed to be exported


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post May 12 2010, 03:59 AM

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Well said, cergau…….can’t blame you for being that rough and impulsive…..first time…….yes, for anybody with slight knowledge of the industry would straight away feel this is nonsensical and would wonder if the department concerned is really that sincere to help or to kill it slowly with certain hidden agenda or ulterior motive……….that only he or she knows, you know and I know, the god knows ……..and everybody knows except the Ministers and those inside the Tanjung Rambutan don’t know………and best is we were still hoping that this is rumours……


This evening really feeling very down as I received again few bad news from messages received from different reliable sources to confirm the earlier post of the Veterinar department’s proposal that it is the truth and nothing but the true………..After I posted the earlier message, my few buddies and I were still not believing and were saying that this is another hoax for most of the industry active players are having good feeling that the Veterinar dept has been known the most sincere, helpful and truly at the people’s service……..all this while……….for the past many many years………Many owners have very high regards and respect for them and spoke of them like Zoro guarding us from been abused by other evil depts………. But all these shattered with our spectacles all dropped and smashed……..as we are feeling of being betrayed……….



Now, can we not to cry over spilled milk which wouldn’t help in here? Let’s help ourselves by keeping a real cool head for we are going to use it to do logical analysis. So far, we read only a few replies with general remarks in sarcasm or in anger from the few regulars. That is not good enough to help. I am proposing here that can we, each and everyone individually try to analyse and figure out very sensibly and logically what would be the impacts, outcome and the consequences on the people, the industry, and the country, if the industry representatives really agree to the proposals? And what should all of us do to counter? What are the best solutions?


It seems there are hundreds to even thousands have been enjoying reading and to find out the latest situations and developments of the industry here in this forum. But not many have participated in posting. Can I ask every one of you to help in to contribute in a very small way by sharing here your idea, at least, once, please? The representatives do really need to listen to as many ideas and suggestions as possible before all of us shall decide jointly the best next course of action to fend for the industry and our lifelines. Remember, it is still not late. Please start shooting in………..

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post May 12 2010, 03:23 PM

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Well, carry on the exchange of ideas. We have heard enough of cursing and swearing. We need now to listen to more practical analysis, suggestions and would be solutions. Please try to focus more specifically on the Vet’s proposals. Think majority of us now more eager to know what are the positive and negative impacts on, the consequences and would be scenarios of the industry if the industry forced to accept the offer?


But till now, we still don’t hear new ideas from new voices. Rather discouraging……..Could the new voices please speak up? Remember, all ideas are welcome. No idea is bad idea. We need to select the most suitable idea…….


Meanwhile, could somebody mind help to download and paste the GAHP here to convenience for viewing and discussion?

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post May 14 2010, 03:26 AM

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To lose money for Justice and gained respect OR to save money but lost all respect, dignity, intergrity, pride and principle? mad.gif mad.gif vmad.gif


Compromise? Compromise with whom and for what? Compromise with Evils and Corrupts? You must be kidding……… shocking.gif shocking.gif


I would rather fight to the end with the Evils and Corrupts and kill as many Evils and Corrupts, if not all and die standing with my children and grand children forever proud of their grandfather than knee down like a coward to let them shy and hideaway in life from mocking for being descendents of a selfish, man with no principle, pride, dignity, intergrity and with no balls………….. We only compromise for JUSTICE, FAIRNESS, EQUALITY and MUTUAL RESPECT, but never, never, never, never with EVILS and CORRUPTS. And we fear no one but GOD………. vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif

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post May 16 2010, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ May 16 2010, 11:46 AM)
Im new to this subforum but im not new to swiftlet farming.

No offense but i noticed this subforum doesnt discuss anything about swiflet farmings except the links given in the first post. Mostly discussion about political issues and side stories.
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This forum discusses only all issues relating to swiftlet farming. There are two main groups of the issues. One is under the micro situation. The other is under the macro situation. The micro situation covers all technical matters and aspects. The macro situation covers all matters including political and governmental policies concerning and affecting the survival, development and the future of the swiftlet industry. Without the assurance of all negative aspects and elements threatening the survival of the industry under the macro be tackled and resolved, what is left there in micro to discuss as even your most successful existing BH is no longer safe to operate? It is just like you and your colleagues are demanding your company you are working in for a raise in salary but your company is currently facing a bankruptcy and foreclosure suit from the bank. Don’t you think that all of you should set the priority right by helping in to help the company to win the case or you would prefer to let the company go bankrupt which will definitely render all of you become jobless?


Mind you the whole swiftlet industry in Malaysia is facing an impending onslaught and biggest crisis ever, just in case you are still not aware. Or maybe you think you are the only exception that can be spared? No offence but to speak the truth.
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post May 17 2010, 03:38 AM

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Good news and congrat to all the Malaysian brothers and sisters especially the BH owners in Sarawak for the Winning of Sibu Parliament by the PR thru DAP. This marks the beginning of the Liberation of Sarawakians from the suffering in the past under the Evil and Corrupt White Hair regime. Think the MUKAH SWIFTLET MASACCRE on the 14.10.2008 is being revenged.


This is also the sign of the beginning of the downfall of the evil and corrupted politicians and their LITTLE NAPOLEONS in Malaysia. Hope these evils do learn a lesson and know who the real BOSSES are and how to respect the PEOPLE’S POWER as from now.

Evils can never thriumph again if all the good men stand up together.


UNITY IS STRENGTH


Congrat once again and happy celebration.

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post May 19 2010, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ May 18 2010, 10:31 PM)
Another major reason why there should be licensed processing plants is that it will probably mean the beginning of the end of fake and adulterated birds' nest.

Currently, the manufacture of fake/adulterated nests is far more lucrative than having a successful birdhouse. Without laws, these fake/adulterated nest manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank, free to do as they please.
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Tuckfook, I think I need to say that your statement is correct if spoken many years ago but it is no longer practical today. No sensible and experienced wholesale traders would want to trade in fake/adulterated nests to put their reputation at stake. In this trade, credibility and reputation is of utmost important for genuine businessman if long term business relationship is to be sustained. The setting up capital for a reasonable cleaning centre is not cheap. The unscrupulous manufacturer can only cheat once, and only once. Once caught, which is amounting to cheating, the news shoot across the market like lighting. Reputation is gone permanently as most in the market are very well connected with only one phone away. There gone his days in this circle. Gone are the days where raw nests were limited and scarce and suppliers limited and the end consumers were ignorant. The infamous few who did that and ever laughed all the way to the bank many years ago whom we knew of, are no longer be seen in the market anymore. Today, the knowledge of the majority new consumers is not any lesser than the traders. They are no longer fool. It is even impossible to find a piece of adulterated nest for the sake to show it as an example or sample now.

Why do we want to keep on talking of this law, that law, this license, that license? How about that do we need to have a license too for our maid to do cleaning of nest for our family? Do we need to have HACCP and GMP to do that also?

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post May 20 2010, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(waletjohor @ May 20 2010, 08:45 PM)
Anyone there can tell me which external sound is good and effective?

Cause currently i am adding up my external sound collection.

So far have collected a few include tongkat ali (harry), tiger(dr. arief budiman) and kcs (dr. christropher)...

Anybody interested to exchange can pm me!
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Why don't you upload all your collections here for us to listen, think many here would be able to tell you which are good and which are bullshits....... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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post Jun 7 2010, 09:42 PM

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How sad……..only 131 signatures……….not even 1% out of 100,000 BHs support????????………I suppose majority are computer illiterate…….they definitely wanted to support except simply not able to do so, no reason why they dun support…….I guess maybe we can get consents of those owners you know and sign on their behalf…..all your family members or partners who are dependents whether directly or indirectly can also sign or authorise you to sign to support the petition…….there is no legal binding……it is only a protest and disagreement……it is only a plea for mercy……………….…..…how sad………………God bless Malaysians………..no more eyes to see…….



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post Jun 11 2010, 03:24 PM

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The rationale behind the typical LITTLE NAPOLEONS in Msia civil services doing up the 1GP, the Perhilitan Amendment Acts, etc in this way is very clear. Instead of instructed to simplify the process and procedure to smoothen and facilitate the industry to compete for foreign exchange internationally, they just add in as many rojaks to complicate the matter with some hidden ugly agenda by creating very excessive bureaucratic procedures and red tapes. First, they put up a show to the Ministers and the MPs that they are very professional and capable of handling complicated matter and they are busy doing things. Second, using all this complication created, they can have the excuse to be granted more budgets and allocations for their department to depose. And many of us would know how this budget going to end up into. Everything they do or arrange, there will be kick backs. It has become a known culture. Thirdly, with the implementation of this complicated procedure, they are lots of loopholes and opportunities for the whole department from top to bottom to suck out ‘bonus’ from the poor applicants constantly throughout. This breeds a lot of corruptions. It is similar to the recent RM10 license for sundry shop to sell sugar issue. It is not the RM10 that matters, it is the bureaucratic lengthy procedures and red tapes in the application process that is causing inconveniences and extra cost to the merchants. In order to have convenience, more coffee money would be handed out. A really sincere, efficient, capable, dedicated, professional, competent, honest and have the people’s welfare at heart head of the civil service department wouldn’t have allowed such recommendation. A truly smart, wise, capable and sincere Minister wouldn’t agree and approve that. If the present top political leaders really want to place Malaysia on the world map, it is time that, instead of shouting the unrealistic and bullshitting slogan MALAYSIA BOLEH all the time, they should give priority in looking into grooming and recruiting a new breed of truly dedicated, professionally trained and competent civil servants at the root. Promotion should be strictly based on merits and not seniority in service or who you know. If this bullshitting trend is to continue, I think it is a miracle that BN will survive the next election. Just imagine, even the rural kampong folks are laughing sarcastically and making joke each time whenever someone shouted MALAYSIA BOLEH.



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post Jun 16 2010, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(CWG @ Jun 16 2010, 03:25 PM)
刘天球称雪州养燕指南未拍板
燕窝商公会媒体谈话仅属建议
6月16日
中午 12点26分
ronnie liu pc 180809 02雪州政府最近希望推出养燕指南,加强管理近年来蓬勃发展的养燕业。不过,燕窝商公会日前针对该指南的谈话引起混淆,因此雪州行政议员刘天球(右图)澄清,雪州政府的养燕指南尚未最后拍板。

他表示,雪州政府目前尚在收集各方,尤其是养燕业者的意见,共同研究燕屋执照与商店改建燕屋指南,将于近期内颁布新政策。

刘天球今天发表文告,针对雪州政府上周展开两日的“雪州政府养燕漂白工作营”,发表上述谈话。

针对雪州燕窝商公会出席该项工作营后对记者发表谈话,指 90巴仙燕屋5年后须搬,以及9月1日前登记才获发执照,刘天球表示,这是雪州燕窝商公会在工作营所提出的建议,尚未成定局。

雪州政府仍在收集民意阶段

他指出,出席该工作营的单位包括市议会代表、土地局代表、雪州城市和乡区局代表、兽医局代表和雪州燕窝商公会。

“在这两天的工作营,各单位都非常积极提出看法和建议,不过我们还须收集和整理有关法律方面的细则,才能完成雪州养燕指南和政策,以便在州行政议会提呈并寻求通过,所以暂时未能公布任何决定。”

未赋燕窝商公会中介人角色

至于该公会表示能够协助业者向州政府登记申请执照,刘天球则表示,州政府目前为止尚未赋予雪州燕窝商公会扮演中介人的责任。

他说明,任何有疑问的业者,可直接联络刘天球州行政议员办公室询问详情,联络电话03-55447150。

根据报章报道,雪州燕窝商公会会长郭洪究在参加本月9日和10日“雪州政府养燕漂白工作营”后,向媒体表示,该会不能接纳引燕指南提出的数项条件,尤其是现有设在店屋的燕屋被合法化,必须在5年后搬迁。

他也宣称,燕屋合法化登记从 6月1日起到9月1日,业者可透过雪兰莪燕窝商公会协助办理合法化手续。

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Hope could help those who can't read Chinese.
ENGLISH TRANSLATION FOR ABOVE NEWS:-


RONNIE LIU POINTS OUT SELANGOR STATE BIRD’S NEST INDUSTRY GUIDELINE NOT FINALIZED YET, PRESS STATEMENT FROM MERCHANTS’ ASSOCIATION IS MERE OWN PROPOSAL.
16.06.2010

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/134666

Selangor State Govt is hoping to strengthen the control of the ever prospering bird’s nest industry in the state by drafting a state guideline. However, Due to the confusion caused by the recent misleading statement issued by the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchant Association, Selangor State Exco, Ronie Liu wishes to clarify and stress that the guideline is not finalized yet.


He stressed that the State Govt is still in the process of collecting data and opinions from different factions in particularly the bird’s nest industry players.


In replying over the press statement made by the Merchants’ Association after attending the workshop in which allegations were made that 90% of BH in town must shift out after 5 years and that licenses would only be issued to those BHs registered by on or before 01.09.10, Ronie Liu refuted that these were proposed and suggested voluntarily by the association itself in the workshop. The authority has not made any decision on this yet.
He informed that the workshop was attended by the representatives from Local council, Land Office, Selangor City and Rural Board, Veterinar, and the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchant Association.


In the two days meeting, all the participating agencies had given their opinions and made very positive suggestions. But the authority still needs further inputs and detailed study in particularly to the legal aspect and implication before any decision made for the guideline and the policy and recommendation for the State Exco approval. Therefore, at the meantime, the Selangor State Govt would not in the position to make any official announcement.


NO AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THE ASSOCIATION TO ACT AS MEDIATOR.

When queried that the Association is offering to assist the BH owners to do the registration and the application for BH license through the Association, Ronie replied that, up to this moment, the State Govt has not authorized or sanctioned the Association to act as middle man nor mediator. He appealed that if any person with doubt could always call his office at 03-55447150 directly for any clarification.


According to the recent news report, Mr Koay, the President of the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchant association after attending the workshop held on the 9th and 10th of June had alleged that the Association could not agree and accept a few conditions in the proposed guideline in particularly to that the shop house type Bird Houses in town must move out after 5 years. Koay also announced that all BH Owners in the state must make registration through the Selangor Bird’s Nest Association within the period from 01.06.10 to 01.09.10.

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I have scrutinized in details and read within the lines of the news report. In my personal opinion, there are three main issues here. First is Ronnie Liu denied point blank that the proposal to move out the BHs after 5 years is idea from the State Govt or the civil service. In fact, he is saying this proposal is suggested by the association itself voluntarily and that the State Govt is still not accepting the proposal. To me, it is also not logic for any really sincere and committed committee of an association to suggest so. But then the question comes in, whether the representatives of the association are sincere and committed without any hidden agenda? Such as political agenda or does any of them have any interest in project or business such as ECO-PARK etc that would benefit most if the BHs in towns are shut down? If this proposal was suggested by the civil servants and not the representatives of the association, why must Ronnie point the finger toward the association? He could have easily spoken the truth that this was proposed by the civil servants and the State Govt is not deciding yet. I don’t think the still pro BN Selangor civil servants are that obedient to the State Govt. No valid reason why he must tell lies? This also opens him for defamation charge.


Second is that the State Govt does not recognize the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchant Association to be the sole representative for all the BH owners in Selangor. The Merchant Association can be one of the many voices from the industry. As such, Ronnie appealed openly to others with doubts or suggestions to call him personally. To me, this is direct open challenge to the association’s credibility now.


Thirdly, it seems certain representative of the Association has dishonestly and unethically capitalized the situation with hidden agenda by self-created some misleading negative issues or hoaxs such as the 5 years period and claiming the BH owners must register through the association within certain time frame to frighten the owners to join in as members. This also has given the false impression that they are the only exclusive agent that one must go through for the BH license. Mind you, any new coffee shop owner can also apply directly to the council for license without joining the Coffee Shop Association. But very unfortunately for the Merchant Association, the Exco YB Ronnie Liu does know and read Chinese and he didn’t want the State Govt or rather himself to be wronged or blamed for something untrue and thus he had no choice but to rebuke to expose through the press.


My analysis is that the PAKATAN RAKYAT GOVT is unlike BN Govt. The PR Govt does not like quota system, monopoly, making decision in black box or practise favours. They are very open in general. They are also not stupid to be misled by the LITTLE NAPOLEONs. They should know and do what is best and fair to all the people for they do not want to be only one term Govt. If Selangor is still under the BN esp the former Dr gigi MB by today, I think all the BHs in town are gone with owners committing suicides while the ECO-PARKs owners laughing all the ways to the banks.


I am wondering why is that the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchants Association, after so many years in operation, has only a miserable handful of 300+ memberships out of a few thousands BHs. Why the rest are so stubborn still refuse to join them especially at this crucial and seems critical time? I do not join them; maybe I am stupid and blind or idiot. But, don’t tell me that the other few thousands are also like me? The 300+ are the smarter with perfect eyesight? Why the 90+ % don’t have confidence in the association? I think the credibility and sincerity of the leadership and those deemed controlling the association is in question. To me such association does not sound like a true membership association. It sounds more like a certain political party controlled private membership club with totally no transparency at all.


I do not think that those BH owners under the PR ruling such as Selangor, Penang, Kelantan and Kedah need to fear much of their respective State Govt over the BH issue. I think they should be more wary of the 1GP and the PERHILITAN AMENMENT ACTS of the BN, which are going to have real killing effect on this industry.


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I hated the most in life is when I have to go to any Govt department to have a dealing even though it is a very simple matter of just trying to know the procedure of something…..you could never predict when you are going to get the correct answer…..U are considered striking lottery if u can get the answer or thing done within 3 visits……………in an office with no less than 10 civil servants inside, still 90% high chance u get the following answers why the person in charge is not available……mesyarat, cuti, mc, function, khursus, kenduri, kematian, minum kopi, dalam bilek boss, boss pangil, baru keluar, isteri beranak, hantar anak ke sekolah, luar station, baru keluar, bila dia balek? Tak tau…..u cuba mai lah esok ……I tak boleh buat apa, office boy saya ambil cuti..……sometime, it seems the whole office almost vacant and closed down for the day cos a distant relative of a staff passed away and everybody went to say bye bye………it looks like in an office of 10, if one is absent, the whole office seems stand still and cannot function like a motor engine stalled with missing part….so this is our civil service culture the Malaysia style……….Malaysia butuk butuk boleh…….. It just keeps on reminding me of one cartoon created by one very famous local cartoonist, Lat, 20 years ago………of one lorry load of TNB staff changing just a street light bulb……….I really missed the Kampong Boy series of Datuk Lat……..but it seems ever since he was conferred the Datukship, he became silenced……


Can anybody invite him to create some cartoons on the Bird's nest indutry?

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Just came across this article from Mkini. Could somebody please help to translate it into English to help those non-Chinese reading brothers for their knowledge?





网站揭露泰益家族藏富加拿大
拥三亿产业与执政党来往甚密
6月17日下午 3点30分 http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/134820

砂拉越首席部长泰益玛目的家族在砂州拥有庞大的商业网络已是众所周知,不过一家网站揭露,泰益玛目家族在加拿大坐拥超过1亿美元(约3亿2760万令吉)的产业,更是当地的社会名流,与加拿大执政党拥有密切的关系。

一个指控泰益玛目榨取砂州天然财富的网站《砂拉越报告》(Sarawak Report)在本周二刊登一则报道,图文并茂详述泰益玛目家族在加拿大的产业。

拥有渥太华市中心商业大楼

报道指出,泰益玛目的儿子玛目阿布贝基尔(Mahmud Abu Bekir Taib)、女儿嘉米拉(Jamilah Taib,左图)以及胞弟翁玛目(Onn Mahmud)在1983年成立萨多企业(Sakto Corporation),并在加拿大拥有庞大的产业帝国。

该公司的主要产业就是位于渥太华(Ottawa)市中心Preston Square的商业大厦,包括一座玻璃双子大楼以及一座现代购物中心。

“仅仅这些大厦就价值超过1亿美元,同时从一些加拿大首要企业收取租金,包括Xerox, Adobe以及Sun Life,它们租用大厦内的办公楼与零售单位。许多加拿大政府部门也位于大厦内。 ”

除了Preston Square的商业大厦,该网站发现泰益玛目家族也拥有另一栋豪华住宅大厦,从2006年开始出租。泰益玛目家族将大厦名为“阿德莱德”(The Adelaide)。 阿德莱德是澳洲南部的一个城市,也是泰益玛目和已故夫人莱拉所喜爱的澳洲城市。

儿女20来岁就任公司股东

网站指出,根据加拿大当局的记录,萨多企业在1983年成立,也就是泰益玛目出任砂州首长的两年之后,董事是胞弟翁玛目、儿子玛目阿布贝基尔以及女儿嘉米拉。当时玛目只有20岁,与嘉米拉都还是学院生。

三个月后翁玛目在香港成立了Richfold Investment有限公司,同一天也成立了Regent Star有限公司,两家公司都拥有同样的地址。

日本媒体曾揭露,泰益玛目就是通过Regent Star作为代理公司,涉嫌收取9家日本船运公司的3200万令吉的木材出口佣金。《当今大马》因为引述日本媒体报道而遭泰益玛目起诉诽谤,目前案件仍在审讯当中。

资金来自不明股东免息贷款

萨多企业的财政记录显示,它在成立的首年就投资超过700万加拿大币,其中450万资金来自股东。不过,加拿大当局是允许公司保密股东的身份。

经过10年的系列收购行动后,萨多企业的财政报告显示,该公司在1993年的资产已接近4000万加拿大币。可疑的是,萨多企业的收购行动主要是依靠2500万令吉的免息股东贷款,报告表示还未制定这些贷款的摊还条件。

此外,萨多企业还获得价值300万加拿大币的免息贷款,其中150万是“缴付给一家与股东有关的公司”。

萨多企业的其他发展计划包括在1989年11月竣工的A级办公大楼,该公司的总部就位于这个名为“333 Preston Street”的大厦内。

在90年代期间,萨多企业声称本身“通过收购与出售各种产业来继续打造其产业规模”,并从2000年开始涉及加拿大数宗最大型的产业交易,包括耗资3100万加拿大币购买加拿大科技之都卡娜塔(Kanata)100万平方公尺商业地段的超过四分之一面积,以及其他建筑物。

虽然大多的地段较后都出售给一家代理公司,但是萨多企业继续负责管理与出租这些建筑物。

该公司最近也完成了Preston Street商业广场的第二期发展计划,其中包括第二栋16层高的大厦以及庞大的商业中心。

捐政治献金给加拿大执政党

网站指出,萨多企业目前是由泰益玛目的加拿大籍女婿穆雷(Sean Murray)所管理,他在大学邂逅嘉米拉后,于1987年开始涉及萨多的业务。他在迎娶嘉米拉后皈依回教,并成为泰益家族集团数家公司的董事,不过却没有证据显示他是真正的股东。

泰益玛目的儿子玛目阿布贝基尔在好些年前已不再出任萨多股东,但泰益玛目的胞弟翁玛目,一直到2004年才卸下股东职。

穆雷与嘉米拉目前已晋身加拿大社会名流,两人在去年迁入渥太华(Ottawa)第二昂贵,总值将近3000万令吉的独立洋房时,就曾轰动当地的上流社会。

两人在当地拥有丰富的政治人脉,曾通过萨多提供政治献金给执政党安大略自由党(Ontario Liberal Party),包括安大略省省长麦根迪(Dalton Mcguinty)在2003年的6000加拿大币竞选经费。政府在2007年宣布把7个安大略部门迁入萨多的Preston Square大厦。

萨多崛起与砂州伐木业有关

该网站揭露此事是为了反驳泰益玛目在上周宣称,砂拉越土著是谦虚的民族,而且依然处于“贫穷与困难”,因此会继续支持国阵的言论。

“砂拉越许多人都在质问,为什么首长在位30年却无法提升人民的生活?数十年来的木材与石油收入去了哪里?”

“由于泰益玛目和前任首长,也就是泰益玛目叔叔,倡导猖獗与过分的伐木活动,砂州已出口超过250亿美元的木材,目前只剩下不及3%的原始热带雨林,也直接导致许多原住民陷入贫穷。”

“很清楚的,萨多成为加拿大其中一家最大的产业发展公司,与泰益玛目家族备受质疑的财富,以及热带雨林的毁灭有密切关系。”

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QUOTE(BobFishCow @ Jul 11 2010, 10:57 AM)
Hi! I'm the journalist. You can pm me here and then I can give my contact details. Thanks!
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Hi, Bob, think tuckfook should be the right person to help and show you around. He is from Penang and he is also a veteran in this industry. He can arrange many experienced and knowledgable old timers to share with you their indepth insight of the industry. With their help, think you should be able to cover the most complete and true story of the Malaysia Bird's Nest Industry that is ever being written by anyone.

Meanwhile, in order to gain a better understanding and fairly good knowledge of the industry for a novice, may be it is helpful for you to read up in advance the REPORT OF THE MALAYSIA BIRD'S NEST INDUSTRY written by David Lim (DL) before you meet them. You can read it up in the following forum. thumbup.gif rclxms.gif


Report On The Malaysia Bird's Nest Industry researched and written in 2002 by David Lim


http://www.myswiftlet.com/report-on-the-ma...ssues/#more-131

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from forunm Cari,these have some question, hope anyone can give answer,thanks

我們將會派人巡視該地區是否適合養殖燕子,才批准業者的申請。」那些人会不会专门给我们难做???如果不批准,是不是刚起好的燕屋要撤掉???不可靠近 神庙,住宅区和飞机场而已??学校,邮政局,医院,消防局呢?要多远才算不靠近???
有没有听说过如果在12月尾2009年注册公会会员,政府将维持原状,至于2010年的,就很麻烦了,有酱紫的事情吗?今早听公会的人说的。。。至于正确与否,有待大大们给答案了。。
那有这样的事,如果这样,那不是不公平?认识公会的主席,叫他帮人写文件是2009年进会员的,不就可以?
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THIS MAN IS BULLSHITTING AGAIN. HE IS UP TO SOMETHING. mad.gif vmad.gif


Don’t be misled by this man from the Kedah Merchants Association Sdn Bhd. According to the many enraged Kedah BH owners who felt being cheated that in last October, he misled many owners to attend a GAHP conducted by his Sdn Bhd at a fee of RM500 for a half day course promising them that with only the certificate of attendance, the Majlis would surely approve their BH license without question. More than 200+ innocent and ignorant owners attended. In that seminar, he offered associated membership with no voting right at RM100 to the owners telling them the Majlis in Kedah would only entertain and accept application of BH license from his Association Sdn Bhd members only together with the GAHP cert. The Association Sdn Bhd made more than a hundred thousand in these seminars. In November 2009, he again appealed in the Chinese news papers to ask all owners to submit applications to the Majlis latest by 31.12.2009 together with the GAHP cert. failing which; all late applicants after this date would not be entertained by the authority. Hundreds of innocent owners hurried and applied. During the submission of document, the Majlis Perbandaran Sg Petani Kedah (MPSPK) staff threw away all the GAHP cert. saying that has got nothing to do with the application.


By April 2010, all applicants received reply from the Majlis stating that their applications are not successful. On top of this, 100% applicants are slammed with a notice of penalty ranging from few thousands to thirty thousand ringgits each. The few hundred misled owners who trusted him are so furious now like ants on hot pan cursing and swearing on him. Whereas the few thousand more local owners who know this man’s past too well and thus not trusting him and did not respond to his calls are now safe and are still awaiting for the details of the official 1GP in black and white before deciding next course of action collectively under a separate umbrella. So far there is only one lope sided suggested unprofessionally prepared guidelines from the Federal controlled State Town Planner which has yet to be agreed by the owners.


Today, again, this man is bullshitting in the papers saying that only those submitted or registered on or before 31.12.2009 would be permitted to apply for license which is totally contradicting to the Minister of Agriculture’s statement of registering with the DEPARTMENT OF VERINARY SERVICE (DVS) by end of 2010. So, who is telling liar? Who is to be trusted? Sometimes, many locals are wondering and puzzled that this man is considered a filthy rich billionaire, but why does he still want to do such nonsense to suck money and mislead others into troubles again? Many owners predict he has alot of surprises to expect in his JUDGEMENT DAY.


For those who have doubts of the above, please don't hesistate to confirm with your friends or relatives who own BH in Kedah if the above are true.


Always bear in mind, 1GP is only a guidelines or ‘ADVICE’ and not law. It is not a compulsion. It can be amended or improved from time to time to fit in the situation. Every state and Majlis has its own jurisdiction to decide. In the whole of Malaysia, it is estimated there has already no less than 200,000 BHs existing across the country from city to town to rural to jungle. There is no way a good and sincere government would want to kill this golden goose industry which has become unwittingly an enormous economic pillar involving the lifelines of millions and amounting to Billions of ringgits. If the government is not wise and not careful, this cannot be overlook political force can definitely turn into another giant political tsunami to further change the political landscape in next election. There is also no valid reason why the present Federal Govt not supporting this industry. If the Govt not supporting, then why did Najib approve the allocation of Billions to encourage more people especially the kampong folks to go into this industry last year? Let us not to panic or jump the gun yet but to wait for the details to be revealed soon. We can assure you to have a good six storey jump as we expect there would be a lot of controversial and unrealistic and impractical issues and crazy recommendations which most would curse and swear.


PENANG HERITAGE CORE ZONE cry.gif cry.gif


We have extreme worry and feel sorry now for those BHs in heritage core zone in particularly to the George Town of Penang that they may not be able to be saved. It seems that the committee of the Penang new association has failed in total in performing its initial prime objective that is to initiate a sincere and amicable dialogue with the PENANG HERITAGE TRUST (PHT) to clear up their misunderstanding of facts on this industry agreed unanimously by the founder members of this new association since 2 years ago. There are so many good and valid and convincing reasons discovered that this living heritage and the historical heritage can definitely coexist for a win-win. The PHT is the main objecting party due to being misled with wrong facts provided by certain people with personal hidden agenda. The committee in the PHT are all very high calibre, professional and experienced with wise wisdom elite volunteers from the society. They are not unreasonable people. Once, the correct facts put in front of them, we believe the issue would definitely and naturally be dissolved amicably. Instead, the new association led by the inexperienced committee barked at the wrong tree by putting all the blames on the State Govt for not supporting them. How could the State Govt support one party while there are strong and deemed valid objections from others? We think the committee of the new association should reset their priority right. They should immediately extent an invitation to the PHT for a fact clearing dialogue before it is too late. Once the issue is dissolved with PHT no reason why State Govt not supporting this industry in the heritage zone? Why can't the committee be humble enough to do that at least once? The golden opportunity is slipping through fast. We can only sympathise those ignorant BH owner members in Penang core zone but they have themselves to be blamed for stupidly putting the trust into the wrong representatives. For self rescue before time runs out soon, it is advisable the members to call for an EGM to elect the right representatives to protect their interest in the right direction fast. If nothing is done now, all of you are confirmed sitting ducks. Hoping to get the LADY QUEEN'S COUNCIL to rescue you? God would never able to help you if you don't help yourself first.


For those BH owners from across the country, if you have doubt or distrust on the sincerity and the leadership of the existing associations in your area or townships, you could always call for an EGM to re-elect the right committee to lead if you are already a member or you could just round up seven or more owners, friends or relatives to register another similar association to fight for your own interest and cause. There is no law prohibiting you to do that. There is no law saying cannot have more than one similar nature association in the same township or state or nationally. The moment you send in your application to the REGISTRAR OF SOCIETIES, immediately you can function as an association under PROTEM pending official approval. It takes only seven or ten Malaysian adults to do that. You can either submit it yourself or engage the professional service of any Company Secretary to do it at the initial stage. The professional fee incurred is within a few hundred to a thousand only. No Govt official dares to say that he only recognizes and entertains only one association. For your personal benefit and interest, you better do that now.


As for those owners who do not wish to join in any association, you too can register and apply for your BH license by going to the local DVS to do that. Again, there is no law to say you must be a member of an association to apply for any license. It is just like you need not to be a member of any PERSATUAN KEDAI KOPI to apply for a license to operate a coffee shop. But, our advice is it is better to be united under an association. UNITY IS STRENGTH.


Can somebody have this posted up in Forum Cari to help clarify situation and ease the fear of many who don’t surf here. Also somebody help translate the Chinese news cutting into English here.





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黃沙尼:五合一減少衛生問題‧籠式養燕將成新趨勢
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籠式養燕的燕屋根據燕子的習性需求而製造,同時也容易讓燕子適應環境。(圖:星洲日報)

黃沙尼向記者指出,與大馬企業及農基工業公會工作研發的公司已獲得燕子蛋入口准證,以進行研發養燕的工作。(圖:星洲日報)

大馬獸醫局發出的申請准證。(圖:星洲日報)

工作人員必須給雛鳥餵食,待變成鳥後才自行覓食。(圖:星洲日報)

研發所得的燕子餵食器將飼蟲噴到半空,讓飛行中的燕子捕食。(圖:星洲日報)

燕屋內的屋樑也根據燕子的習性建造,以求能夠產出質量兼具的燕窩。(圖:星洲日報)

籠式養燕法也包括生產飼蟲,好讓給燕子的飼料有足夠的供應。(圖:星洲日報)
1 of 7 (吉打‧居林)內閣通過養燕行業新指南,五合一籠式養燕將成為養燕新趨勢。


農業及農基工業部長早前表示,內閣通過國家養燕業發展指南(1GP)後,有興趣者必須向馬來西亞燕窩商聯合會各州分會註冊成為會員及向獸醫局登記後,才可向政府申請養燕/燕屋准證。

大馬企業及農基工業公會主席黃沙尼對《大北馬》說,目前一般的養燕業實是引燕,因為業者建好燕屋後,將燕子引入燕屋產窩。

由於目前一般上的燕屋皆在城市或靠近住宅區,他說,難免這些燕屋會引起衛生方面的問題。因此,經他多年的研發後產生了籠式養燕法,一方面能夠將衛生問題減到最低,也能管制燕窩的質與量。

燕產窩循環不息

他說,這套五合一籠式養燕法包括引蛋、孵化、成長、產窩,以及供食,即將燕子蛋引入燕屋後直到成燕產窩,然後在燕屋內循環不息。由於在籠內飼養而燕子未能在野外覓食,因此這套養燕法也包括生產燕子的飼蟲。

他表示,大馬獸醫局也參與了籠式養燕研發工作,而且由於燕子屬受保護鳥類,因此大馬企業及農基工業公會也是受個獲得燕蛋入口准證的單位,好讓這項研發順利進行的同時,同時也拓展籠式養燕的行業。

他還說,難料相關指南會否有朝一日不允許燕屋築在人潮密集的環境,因此籠式養燕不只可行,而且也會成為被推崇的趨勢。

飼料不同
引燕養燕有別

引燕與養燕有別,不同的地方就在於提供燕子的飼料。

黃沙尼說,燕子是軟腳鳥類,故一生的四分之三都在空中飛,也因此燕子吃的也是在空中飛著的小蟲,所以燕子的食物也可稱為上等的飼料。

他說,一般上認為燕子在上午離開燕屋後就一直飛行覓食,所以將燕子關在籠裡是不可能的事情。但是,其研究也證明了籠式養燕的供食法是可行的。

籠式養燕生產飼蟲

他解釋,籠式養燕也包括生產飼蟲,冷藏的飼蟲經過馬達器材噴射半空,而飛行中的燕子就能吃到在半空中的飼蟲。至於飼蟲方面,他說,也能給該飼蟲的飼料添加營養成份,好讓籠中的燕子能夠吃到較為營養的飼蟲。

他還說,也有案例指一些曾有飛蟲為患的地方,經燕群抵步後便能解決,但是當燕子難以覓食後,雖然老燕仍會留在原處,新燕卻會遷到較易覓食的地方,因此燕窩產量就難以保證。

人禽同居或引健康問題
鄉郊養燕最適合

飛禽與人類同居很難預測會否引起健康問題,為防萬一鄉郊地區養燕確是最適合。

黃沙尼表示,燕窩確有很大的市場,而且亦能給國家帶來相當大的利潤,但是站在國民的立場燕屋太靠近民宅始終不太妥當,由於燕子居住的地方必須保持潮濕,倘若爆發衛生或健康問題,居住附近的人民容易受感染。

他還說,一些燕屋築在商業區也造成有關區域的屋價受到影響,無疑也拉低相關商業區的格調及水平。所以,燕屋築在郊區最適合不過。

有說燕子的飛行高度等所以不適合籠式飼養,他因此指出,燕子是適應能力極強的飛禽,只要適當的遷移,燕子就能根據新的環境生存下來。


Hahaha.....someone emailed this to me and suggested this should solve all our problems and headaches.......What do u all think??????

Can someone please help translate into English to help those brothers who don't read Chinese and also post the link up here? Thanks.....
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