Thank you for your comment then if so then there are some serious problem with this BH. Well I also have serious problem with my electrical equipment the AC power here is only 180± volt sometimes lower then that. This is some of the problem Sabahan have to face everyday. As for nesting plank I think it impossible to install full surface with wood because there is already horizontal cement beam on the ceiling. Why you ask its because the sifu said wood easy spoil so use cement more water proof. The sifu forget cement make Swiftlet hard to cling to the beam. Also Sifu say no need water sprinkle or humidity machine when weather dry just carry two bucket of water and pour it on the floor then everything okay! I will try to finish this BH design drawing then I will post it here for all to comment. Thank you for your advise.

if you can send me a pix of the cement beams then I can see if I can advise you in anyway. Cement beams are not a problem. The problem is that it takes a long time for the cement smells to go away. The birds don't like the fresh cement smell. That's why in the past they prefer pre-war shops. There are many ways to make it easier for the birds to cling to the cement beams. We can talk about that later after I have viewed those cement beams set-up.

Humidification is important. Carrying buckets of water is certainly a no-no. Everything must run automatically and without manual interference as much as possible, unless you are living in the bh

There are so many factors and you really have to identify them one by one and sort them out somehow. Every bh is different, apart from overall macros there is also a need to identify very specific problems that is unique to each bh.

hi all,

Recently bought six bottles of "green water" from a blogger...claimed to be very effective in attracting swiftlets. From his blog, he kept mentioning how effective was those magic water.

Used for a few times but no improvement at all. For a birdfarm to strive, we need to control all internal and external environment to be at its "best" to keep or improve the swiftlets.

Having say so, i really doubt the effectiveness of those "green" water. Sometimes he'll mention that there is no more stock/disminishing stock, but trust me, when you order, he'll be able to produce it.

A lot of sifu in the market are selling "fear" into potential swiftlet farms' owners. Most importantly, we must invest more on a good humidifier...good ventilation system etc...to keep the internal environment as stable as possible. For your information, i bought three humidifier from a guy in Sitiawan costing me rm1250/piece. Mist coming out was ultra fine...i dont have to worry about wet flooring.

Lastly, i do not have any motive in talking down other people products, but i seriously think they should not overdo it like putting other comments in their blog saying the products are so good, so effective,,etc etc. Just over doing it.

This is called "Good Salesmanship" I believe and you are what they called a "Sucker" and sorry for the phase....with no bad intention. You should have just bought one bottle to try but you mentioned "6 bottles" of the good thing!!!! You must be loaded and by the way, I am West Wing and a new consultant at your service...just your's cos you are loaded, my friend hahaha. Joke only.

Chinese proverb" Sell Flowers, praise flower good smell" and you fell for the old trick in the book. You can't blame us cos' we did told you to be careful.........and I did posted that such is a very high price to pay for such a perfume. You might as well buy a CD for your GF.

Anyway, thanks for the information and I believe many here will appreciate your honesty even it hurt to tell out. As for Rm1250 humidifier, you must be talking about ultrasonic humidifier which produce negative ion mist which will not stick to floor or wall as minus and minus repel each other. Good for BH if you are worry about wet floor or wall esp. in town's BHs.

So far I've heard a few BH with cement beams set-up fail to produce good result. I don't understand why cement beams can't be attached with layer thin of plank for birds to cling on to unless there is a pix to see as said. Money do fall from the sky if you're in the right place, right time and definitely, right set-up.

This is a picture of one conner of my BH. I'm a little busy this few days doing wiring tweeter for a friend. His sifu from Perak tell him to make the tweeter in X configuration and using both left and right channel. First picture a look at the cement beam, second picture the most populated corner at that time, third picture a modified version of cement beam with Seraya plank in between. Its an on going work until today.

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hi....i am new here and interested in this swiflet business.

I am a bumiputera/malay,is there are govt fund to help us malays to get involve in this business.

How much can 1 earn per month from this business?

Who actually buys the nest???

Bro if before start already talk about fund then half the battle are already lost. Better ask for other sifu to respond. We chinese in this business say "You take care the Swiftlet for 3 years it will take care of you for 3 generation". What is needed in this business is hard working, good BH design and good understanding of the swiftlet and not what FUND to apply. Bro this business failure rate very high, more then 80% if I'm not mistaken. So better do the research first.

Agro bank. They have lots of fund allocation for walet farming. The loans is open for 1Malaysia race.
Some of the successful BH owner in this forum earns tens of thousand RM every month.

it is a great to see that the birds are already nesting on the cement beams. You must have earlier used some odor remover to get rid of the cement smell.

The birds can actually cling on to even a small crack or rough surface on the cement beam. However you can make it easier for the birds to cling on to the cement beam by installing some "fake nests" in the form of a small rectangular wood pieces or polyethylene foam (those used for packaging hifi goods) with the use of a hot melt glue gun. You can also use the glue gun to create some glue marks or lines on the cement beam that the birds can cling on to. The hardened glue is strong enough for the birds to cling on to to make their nests and can be peeled off easily if you want to remove it.

http://www.howardelectronics.com/steinel/i...s/WGF-3002L.jpg

You need to install more tweeters at the populated area (2nd pix). The problem with cement beam as you would already know by now is the difficulty of installing the tweeters and wiring, much easier with wood planks. Again you would find the hot melt glue gun useful for fixing stuffs to cement beams.

At the corner with seraya planks, you should also install more tweeters and fake nests using polythelene foam, ie. those used in packaging electronic products.

Hope that helps.

Does anyone use a 70-Volt (or 100 Volt) speaker system in BH? Is there any drawback?



Quoted "There are several reasons why you might want to use a 70-Volt speaker system:
You won't need to do any calculations or fancy wiring in order to string together a bunch of speakers.
The system allows you to mix speakers of different impedance and power without much work.
Despite dissimilar charactersitics, all speakers can be made equally loud, or you can make specific ones louder or softer than the others.
The 70-Volt system is more efficient at transmitting electricity to speakers, saving power and allowing the use of less expensive components. " Unquoted.

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I suggest you read from Thread 1 V1. I did so can you. Discard your "subsidi" mentality and put in the required effort, struggle to gain knowledge and then success can be yours.

Best of luck.

Why mess with more things in the system, so that there are more things to fail? Simplicity will always be better.

Since when is there the necessity to mix tweeters of different impedances ? Do the cheap chinese piezo tweeters or the expensive Motorola type piezo tweeters come in different impedences ?

How can any power be saved when several hundred transformers are being used compared to a direct driven system without any inefficient transformers ?

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Added on October 31, 2010, 8:31 pmThe Bumis have a distinct advantage over the other Malaysians. Easy loans and Easy payments, if at all. So borrow 1 million and disappear. This is exactly what is happening to replanting grants, small plantation grants etc. Plant for show, collect the money and leave the rest to fate.

If you are really serious, be prepared to wait about 5 years for any appreciable returns.



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Added on October 31, 2010, 8:31 pm
The Bumis have a distinct advantage over the other Malaysians. Easy loans and Easy payments, if at all. So borrow 1 million and disappear. This is exactly what is happening to replanting grants, small plantation grants etc. Plant for show, collect the money and leave the rest to fate.

If you are really serious, be prepared to wait about 5 years for any appreciable returns.

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My thought exactly

Thank you for your comment, I did not used any type of odor remover only high pressure water gun at the early stage of the BH construction. By the way this BH is now two years old so there is no more cement smell. I also used a lot of ammonia at the beginning stage.

I haven't try hot glue on poly-foam but I am using double side tape with poly-foam. Since my BH is only 20x60 feet I only install 200 this "fake nest" on each floor. Below some more picture of the renovation. Please give comment.


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I presume that the cement beams are oriented perpendicularly to the entrance hole, ie. facing where the birds would be flying in from. If that is the case then ideally the tweeters should point towards that direction which i think those tweeters on the wood would not be. Your problem is the difficulty of installing anything onto the cement beam, that's why I suggested you try out the hot melt glue gun.

You should focus on the area where the birds are nesting now and install more tweeters near the area and more importantly "fake nests". Try all sorts of fake nests like rectangle wood pieces, poly-foam, plastic nest cups or just simply some stubs of hot glue, this is to make it easier for young birds to cling on to and start making nests. I find that the birds would just make nests on almost anything that make it easier for them to cling on to. Have the fake nests fixed near to the tweeters as well.

Any ammonia base substance should not be sprayed onto the nesting planks or the ceiling. It should only be sprayed on the floor or on the wall at least 1 1/2 ft below the nesting planks.

Find some good external sound for your bh.

I will not use piezo tweeter, we have done experiments and found that birds are more responsive to a right frequency magnetic tweeter, not necessarily an expensive one. The advantage of this system is best described in the followings:

http://www.horrorseek.com/home/halloween/w...ltSpeakers.html
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/138905-...ant_voltage.pdf
http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/support/getf...d=215&doctype=3

The experimental birdhouse (that use the right frequency magnetic tweeters) has now more than 500 birds, 60 nests and increasing at a rate of 30 nests /months after only less than 5 months of operation. We will always search for a better way to improve our bird house, not easily satisfy with what we already have.

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There is a recent announcement by Veterinary Services Department on a swiftlet farming grant.

http://fanboxblogs.fanbox.com/SinglePost.a...1&fs=-1&apid=-1

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As you mentioned that it's a grant only so Rm10K pocket money is good. My Malay friend ask me for a plan for a BH as he is going to apply for one million ringgit BH loan from a bank. All he need now is a plan for the BH and he will get the loan. So easy ?????????

Maybe Bumis really do have their advantages........true or false, no problem to me as it doesn't concern me but maybe, some here do need loan to build BH so why not go to see the bank's manager and discuss your loan.

What is the proper way to harvest the nests from the planks ? How do you harvest a nest that is so sticky to the planks ? Friend said spray some water to the nest before scraper it ?