What if it is suggested by these people that they can relocate urban swiftlets to such enclosed swiftlet farms. Will this mean the end of existing urban swiftlet ranches? Scary thought if the authorities buy it !!!!!!

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Added on October 13, 2010, 4:11 pmI have a container swiftlet ranch right next to mine. It is about 3 yrs old and doing very well.

Now the results are starting to show so the owner has started to encase the containers within a much larger concrete house.

The inevitable has to happen. Once you do well, you simply have to encase the containers in concrete otherwise it won't be long before the containers rust and disintegrate.



As for the power transistor, I'm sure it will be available in Pudu area if not Lowyat perhaps. This is a fairly common component. Someone in KL help WW get one. Otherwise WW, you can get it via the internet. Radio spares will be expensive but ex singapore. Definitely available in Singapore, Sim Lim area.

This post has been edited by tuckfook: Oct 13 2010, 04:11 PM

Many thanks, my friend.

Look like the owner still go beck to concrete but why the initial reason for the container project? one of my friends has tens of containers and he did just that and after so many years, his container BH seem empty and there is a joke among us is that is you want hard boiled eggs, go to CH*** and he has plenty of the swiftlets kind. I heard that he even installed an aircon in his container BH and what the cost of maintenance that be and still no bird lah.

Why go to the trouble of creating a container type of BH unless you have plenty of used containers laying wasting in your yard. Then, I would see the reason why or otherwise, no reason at all for a container type of BH.

By the way, what is better....double layered red bricks or silica type of brick for a BH. Both of these types that I have seen are equally successful but which is better, can anyone tell? The silica brick is known for the insulation property while the red brick has been tested for years with Taiwanese humidifiers running.

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Container BH are only not recommended but is only good for those who are not familiar or confidence in himself. We are looking toward a BH that can last for hundred of years when our future generation will benefit and enjoy. Not just ten of years.

Why need to move your BH if your location is good or otherwise why invest in place which is not suitable just to move later when not successful cos time is money and loss of time is a loss of money, opportunity and interest. Building an unstable BH is like investing in an unstable buz venture and having no confidence in it, you already lose half the battle before going to the field. Better keep the money in the bank instead and be safe and earn 3% interest.

I will consider the treatment used as advertised if it's good but not buying containers to make BH out of it to save cost unless I have containers loitering around. At least, I have a reason for doing it rather than wasting the containers to rust.

My own comments on the matter on container BH.

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Containers BH provides an alternative choice for the newbiz. Swiftlet farming failure rates are high and no one commands the swiflet language, some have made very thorough survey, provides 5 stars environment, complied to all the basic requirements of what swiflets wanted based on the experience of the successful farmers, engaged the same consultant to put up the identical BH in all aspects plus sound nearby the successful BH but birds are not staying. The so called renowned consultants can't answered why.Only God knows why as we are not swiftlets.

Many said the ideal temperature is 26-29, right humidity level is 80-90. Who comes out with the formula? The successful predecessors / swiftlet farmers? How many knows what sort of smell the swiftlets actually like? All are based on what so called surveys and past experiences. But these experiences do not apply to all as many BHs with temperature at 32-33 and lower humidity are doing very well. Some even harvesting the birdnest whereby birds are still in the birdnest next to it and the birds not flying away. Who said the BHs must have birdshits around and the smell must be there? There are successful BHs which are very clean. Some owners go in with cigaretts and birds are still occupying. Same aroma may not useful to the other.

If all can be controlled, the failure rate won't be that high!! What one need is to provide and complied to the basic requirements of a BH. Containers if well insulated can also be converted to a successful BH. SO long the temperature is not way out.

Newbiz should not use large capital to start the first investment, start small , gain experience and after the first one is generating good income then re invest is more advisable then start big and invest into a big concrete structure.Container BH can easily last 20 years or more if well maintained. you may invest with full confidence that it is an ideal location, best design by a famous SIFU, six star environment etc. Only God knows whether the birds will stay or not. At least the container type can relocate and you won't lose all your investments.

Concrete structure may last for a few generations, but we do not know if by then birdnest still in good demand or not. Who knows by then it is so expensive only a handful can afford and demands drops ? When the world resources exhausted and everyone go back to basics? Or some better products available at cheaper price ?

To friends who are fortunate enough to have a few very successful BHs, you need not past all or so many to your next generation. Set up a trust fund and donate to the needy and less fortunate, (such like old folk homes and the hadicappeds) is more meaningful as for the time being it generates constant income to them. For those who survives and benefited shall appreciate more of your contribution and you will be remembered for generations. It is good for the swiflets also as they have donated their efforts to help the needies.

West wing, solely my opinion, no arguement. The world will be peaceful if everyone is rich. Rich in wealth and in heart.
Your next generations may not work and only spend if they do not know what to look for in their life journey. So look forward to Bill Gates and Warren.

Good luck to all swiflet farmers.

Which brick is harder ?

Ground flour walls = double layer clay bricks. (Mainly for security reason, insulation not really necessary because it's ground flour)
1st flour = Double layer bricks with outer layer clay bricks, inner layer silica bricks.
2nd flour and up = single layer silica bricks or light weight concrete bricks.

Note:
My engineer friend told me light weight bricks have lousy sound proof property then clay bricks. Don't know about silica though.

Correctly said and there is never any argument on who right or wrong here. All are welcome to forward suggestions, advice or recommendation here. As for rich in heart, that the reason why I am here and so are others cos I have my gain and wish to share the wealth of GOD so that all Malaysian inrespectively of race or color will share. Over the years, I have encouraged at least hundred people, many whom I don't even know to venture into the trade and most of them have been successful. I even guild them for free and sometime provide them with sound but they need to pay for the SD card. Under GOD's eye, all are his Children and we are looking toward the sky for our gain like hoping for gold to fall from the sky but this time it shall be white gold. People sometime go to the extreme like last week, a new BH sacrificed a goat during the opening of the BH....and many having a feast and most importance of all, at least he pray to GOD so that his prayer will be answered.

Nothing personal when I did comment on the container but the insulation may work as many BHs esp in town area may need your services. Many infact have spend so much doing what I believe will be cheaper using your method. Some of my friends went to the extreme of building another roof over the old one to keep the heat out while using your method, all is needed is to spray over the ceiling top. Well, if it work well with the container, then it should work with the premises in town and I personally will welcome the company to give a talk on it at our place for our local association members to share and maybe do the needful.

" If everyone is contented with what he has, then there will no future or improvement". What we need is very little......3 meals a day and a bed to sleep in and why bother so much to even learn or improve. My opinion in life only.

Certainly this is a good alternative for those of us who cannot take too much risk since failure rate is 80%.

May be an indicative price per sq ft? What are the option cost to improve durability, internal water resistance to high humidity, external resistance to solar radiation etc? Do you do plastering to smoothern the internal wall? Sure there are many options to upgrade, vendors/builders should be able to advise.

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Added on October 14, 2010, 7:02 pmWhether double bricks or single brick not much different. Have you seen how the reno contractor hammer the brick wall? So easy, one man one hammer. If got the money, go for RC wall, rebar and concrete at least a human height so not so easy to hammer. But again if they come in an excavator also back to square one. We can oni slow down the break in process. May be vibration detector install on wall surface too. So once hammer trigger alarm.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Oct 14 2010, 07:02 PM

My neighbour used containers because he did not have the initial capital. He's a seasoned BH builder and thought that it might be cheaper to start with but now admits to having spent more than necessary.

The containers were stacked 3 high x 2 wide and 2 x long, all covered with 3" styrofoam on the outside and then a layer of black netting.

There are several types of red bricks. The highly fired red bricks are not as porous as the less fired ones and the types made of red laterite and cement mix are the most porous. By porous I mean that they absorb water and retain the water in the brick without leaching out.

Sand and cement bricks are the least porous in comparison and even though they readily absorb water, they do not retain it as long as the clay bricks.

I am using double layer red bricks (cement and laterite) with lime plaster on both sides. lime plaster is more porous than 100% cement plaster. With this construction, my internal stable humidity is about 20% higher than external ambient all the time, thereby maintaining no less than about 75%Rh all the time without humidifier running. My humidifiers do not run most of the day. The gr flr. does not switch on at all so much so that I have to manually activate it to make sure it still works. Only the top flr. humidifiers run for about 30 mins in the evenings.

Insulation is not a problem as with porous bricks the water evaporates from the inside to the outside. As this happens, there is an appreciable temperature drop keeping the walls cool. In wet weather the bricks absorb water to be saturated and that traps the heat inside stopping it from being too cold, when it is hot and dry outside, water evaporates and maintains the cool internal temperature. Of course the thicker the better but there are limitations as to how thick we can build a wall.

If you want physical heat insulation then use double wall with styrofoam sandwich but you will encounter internal condensation, and need good airflow control to be able to control the temperature.


Hope that is helpful.

This post has been edited by tuckfook: Oct 14 2010, 08:20 PM

Good Good Day, everyone, sifu ww and aeiou.

Today Nanyang newspaper east coast section. Beginning 1 January, 2011 all birdhouse in Terengganu are required to apply for license from veterinary dept. All must join a local association in order to get a license.

All birdhouse owners, sifus, foremmers please provide feed back. Why it it compulsory to join an association in order to get a license. Is this amounting to day light roberry? Why other business do not have this requirement of MUST loin a local association to get a license?

http://www.nanyang.com.my/NewsCenter/artic...07&SID=8&CID=21

for all the newbie, watch out for the conslutant whom mansion in v1 v2. i am very happy that i follow the advise from whom post all the time in this forum( like ww). follow them u will feel very happy like me now. my standalone bh has break the 100++ nests after 18 months operate.

hi west wing, remember me. i the one who use the solar system for power back from feb 2009(can't remember my old user name and e-mail, so register a new name here).

Under the 1GP presented by Ir Fong, the following are needed to apply license from PBT:

a) Pengusaha perlu ikut kursus GMP sekali sahaja. sijil disertakan semasa pemohonan lesen
b) Premis perlu ada CFO/CCC atau resit cukai pintu.
c) Pemohon DIGALAKKAN menjadi ahli Persatuan Pengusaha burung walit negeri

Only digalakkan not must be the member.

My BH is those double wall type but very old design for there is no PVC pipe on the wall and the wall itself serve as ventilation. I found out this BH design very hard to control the humidity. The BH practically have too much air circulating and a 20 disc ultrasonic humidity machine can not keep up the required RH. So I have closed all the vent hole even now still hardly can maintain 85%RH. Now I'm worried about the temperature so what is more important temperature or RH?

This post has been edited by mfyapp: Oct 15 2010, 08:11 AM

Hi guys

more "progress" on the swiftlet industry here in Malaysia with the advent of "swiftlet-free zones", like duty-free zones

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Dear all swiflet owners,

We are one of the leading manufacturer of Expanded Polystyrene Foam (EPS) in Klang Valley. We have been supplying this material to numerous projects at Sabak Bernam, Sg. Besar, Sitiawan, Dengkil, Penang, and even East Malaysia thru the birdhouse contractors, owners and even trading companies. Our materials have been recognised as a superb insulation material that helps to reduce heat of the birdhouse and most importantly cost savings. We are only supplying this material but if you required installation we are able to provide the know how knowledge based on the feedback from our customers experience.

And not forgetting, we are one of the sole distributor in Malaysia of Extruded Polystyrene Foam (XPS) which our products are manufactured from Singapore. This material considered as a more high end product compared to EPS. Reason is because it have more high R-Value in insulation. We also have supplied this material to few high end birdhouse projects in Klang Valley.

If you wish to know more about us, kindly visit our website http://www.yeehup.com.

Thank you.

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This post has been edited by YeeHup: Oct 15 2010, 01:06 PM

what if my BH does not have CF or CCC, i.e. no cukai pintu.

since this is agriculture land and we constructed the BH (if u like w/o approvals).

any word on the grace period for licencing?

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More details are required. What exactly do you mean by double wall. How does the air flow through the wall.

It will be best if you can provide an accurate drawing of your building incl the materials used.

The location with regards to the surroundings to about 5 miles radius will also be helpful as ambient conditions are very important.

Can someone PM me red meranti wood for my BH for 650 feet, 1 inch x 6 inch.

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Added on October 15, 2010, 11:57 pmsorry I mean the price for length of 650 feet of 1 inch x 6 inch red meranti, KL price with delivery

This post has been edited by datchong: Oct 15 2010, 11:57 PM

Let me see if I can answer your questions to your satisfaction and like Aeiou228 posted that it's a recommendation and not compulsory but then, it is good and to your advantages to be a member os your local swiftlets association. I believe that it's better to have self regulations then to have the authorities enforce the rules and regulations unto you. If the government do allow self regulations like in all professional occupations; then our world will be more easier as we only need to sit and discuss how to implement the GP1 or any other regulations that might be implemented by the authority. The Association can also protest if any new regulation deemed not required or absurd or like the recent lesen fee of Rm600 per floor implemented b the Pekan Majlis and only with the Association, you maybe able to convince the authority to reconsider lower the fee. Remember, We are strong as a group but never as individual and if you think that only during the trouble time, then we start to unite, tell me how.

At least, the authority recognize the association and this is good for at least, they do respect the association and will always invite the association for dialog or meeting before any new directive is issue.

What's about good for nothing BOD and that's the reason why you should join the association to put the association in correct prospective and direction. Like once, in a AGM, I once told the President of an Association that his obligation is toward to welfare and good of the members and not to the council that he sit in as he is there to represent the members at the council and not the council. He is a member of the council but virtual of being the President of the association.

Likewise, your local Association's President is there at the meeting is by the mandate from the all members of the swiftlets owners and he must act and speak on behalf and for the betterment and interest of members.....Caution: which may only for the majorities cos you can never please all at all the time. I do agree that no all the present associations are good but at least we have a platform to air our view and to change the BOD is much easier than to fight the majlis yourself.

What say other in the matter above?

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 16 2010, 02:30 PM

It is fantastic to know that the Swiflet association in Sarawak is taking the initiative to fine tune the 1GP. Hope other swiftlet assoications will take similar initiative.

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