I saw it too. A lot of misinformation to shed negative light on this af sanctuary business.

Maybe the reporters did a good job but the editing might not be under their control.

Could be the case.
They did gain access to a BH to get those scenes and would have interviewed the operator for their side of the story but wasn't shown in the segment.

Regardless of political affiliations, any reasonably intelligent person can conclude that people should not fault progress but embrace it and move on. Giving freebies to the fishermen is simply vote buying and the fisher folk definitely know it and take advantage of it. Any excuse is a good excuse for a handout, Federal or State is good, better both.

The 2nd. bridge is built across vast shallow waters know as the One Fathom Banks, never known for good fish catches for many years. The good fishing grounds are beyond Pulau Rimau, about 10kms away. The dredging will in fact oxygenate the shallow muddy bottom and in the near future the harvest of clams will be very much improved.

On swiftlet ranches, the point taken must be that these establishments do create noise pollution. It is a nuisance if you have to live there. Let us all be fair to our fellow citizens, biased reporting or not.

These TV reporters do not know much about swiftlet ranching so they can only report on what is immediately visible, there were no details on the 1GP, so it was not possible to ascertain whether it was within the law or otherwise. It was not indicated how far the BH was away from the residence and whether the residence was in a residential area or agricultural lot. Such shallow reporting is of course to be expected!

All come to a question " IF "

If we didn't disturb our neighbours, will we have to tackle the sound complaint?
If we have been nice and considerate to our neighbours, will we get so many complaints?
If we listen to our friends and not our consultants, won't it be a nicer now?
If we did talk and impressed upon the reporters at the scene about our good aim and cooperation, will we be geeting better coverage over the show?

So many IFs but some of us never learn.

The reporters can see and what they see, they don't like but then with your explaination, the reporters will understand more.
The reporters can hear and what they hear, they are not happy and we shouldn't have done that in the first place.

Why the GP required the BH to be away from public area and most of it is because of the sound disturbances which draw too much complaints to the government......now, those near these area maybe in trouble all because of those selfish ones............I am quite safe as I took precaution long ago and not doing it at sensitive areas and only open roof types. For those who have BHs at those banned areas in GP1, why wait, try find a solution to enable your BHs to remain either by ensuring that no sound and full cooperation to ensure 100% cleanliness, anything is better than having to move, right?

For new ones, try building BH @ agriculture land to prevent any misfortune that may occur and don't gamble cos if you loss, you lose a big fortune. I, too see the light and not investing anymore @ town and is going to try my first one @ agriculture land but shit, the architect still not ready with my plan which I provided all information 2 months ago. I understand Puasa month and then Raya and now ..........Mana dapat cari makan like this!!! Kalau fight fair, mati lama dah! have to kejar again and again.

Not too long ago there is also a segment on NTV7 about BH and people complain about bird shit, stagnant water and sound pollution. I remember its talian hayat episode 22 and if you've miss it still can watch it at TONTON.COM. Well it look like the reporter also follow the peoples complain but finally its solve easily. So as long as we are not over to much there is always solution to any problem.

This post has been edited by mfyapp: Oct 11 2010, 03:26 PM

Anyone heard BFM Radio this morning? They interview Head of NKEA on agricultural. Under agricultural they have identified 3 potential sectors ie herbal, seaweed and swiftlet farming to drive the ETP.

The interviewer asked how they are going to deal with the complaint of noise and so call hygiene in urban area, the head mentioned they have given green light thru town councils, associations and GAPH to regulate the industry in urban area. He also mention self-regulation (hear that fellow men/women, your future in your own hands)! This is good news. Yes, we need regulation, not total ban. Else how to feed nearly 30 mil population in the country?

Head also mentioned top bn producers are Indo and Philippine?! What? Mixed up with seaweed already too many thing in his mind.

Not mention a single word on Perhilitan; which is good news. Finally this corrupt dept got major restructuring after Anson Wong arrest. Bye bye Perhilitan!

Next is how to deal with this Hairy Crab and eco developers? How to stop them from back-door advocating closing of >50,000 bhs in town and transfer them to their ecoparks? Hello sirs, each new decent bh (not your container bh) cost average $500k incl land x 50,000 = RM25 billion! HC and eco-developers, are you prepared to compensate the same?! Kok is cheap.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Oct 11 2010, 06:36 PM

They are probably not the only ones advocating the above. look at this site.

http://en.aeroswift.net/new.php

Thanks..........below is what I disagree all the time and why didn't the Perhilitan take action for caging wild animal if Perhilitan still consider the swiftlets as wild. Or is it because they have "big and small eyes seeing only what they want to see"

(Malaysia Inside Caged Swiftlet Farming Pioneer
Perintis Industri Burung Walet Bersangkar
马来西亚籠式养燕先锋)


How can we caged up wild animal and worst, swiftlets which is free and need large area to feed and not on a man made diet presumably for the swiftlets ( What's really good and safe for the swiftlets in years to come) and the authority cannot allow this to happen under their nose. Caged anmals bring with them caged diseases which will or may affect human being. Diseases from human/ ground to swiftlets and then swiftlets to human after mutation. Why cage up animals which are already migrating to our buildings and not in danger of extinction. I see no logic in it or is it just "Tipu Raayat" or tipu kerajaan.

tuck fook,
have u figured out how they g'tee 1000 nests??

Below are the Youtube Links of Swiftlet Farming - Container Birdhouse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQiQazFD8Yw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mszhratBCoc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3JF5WN83FA

Low investment for new comers. Only 60+ k

Hello All,

Just want to introduce myself. New rookie. Been actively (trying) to read all the V1., V2 and V3 on Swiftlet Farming.

The amount of information which people are willing to share in this forum is so over whelming.

I like to specially thank AEIOU228 for all the clarification given.

Still a lot to go and thanx to all - Good job in sharing.

if gonna spend rm1000/nest as fees for the guarantee by consultant, i think is better to buy a ready made BH with min. 500nests which the level of success is more guaranteed.

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Added on October 12, 2010, 4:44 pmI think if build BH based on container cost Rm60K++, why not consider build 12' x 48' x 2sty BH, which may cos around that amount too.....but much SOLID than container type (i think).

Over here (thailand, sg kantang), 12' x 54' x 2 sty, stay over 10,000nests. Proven is possible.

This post has been edited by Rangnok: Oct 12 2010, 04:44 PM

We have all type of players in for a kill but yet to see bomoh or medium of some sorts claiming to be able to draw swiftlets by witchcraft or spell .......maybe pineapple( WanLai), rice throwing at 4 corners, coconut ( Yachee) place on alter in the BH may attract swiftlets in to your BH. Maybe, P. Ramli calling to the "Jin Walit" to help.

There were this one guy telling another newbiz to place the sifu photo at the entrance hole and once the birds see the the sifu, the birds will obediently fly in and stay...hahaha ..just joking so don't follow or else I B anothe HK.

loud bird sound is always the cause of all the complaints, and when they complain to the majlis they will always add in other stuffs like bird shit, health risk etc doesn't matter even if it is a new birdhouse without any birds. It boils down to some of these bh owners who really thinks that louder = more birds. One bh's owner near my place was told by the residents nearby to reduce the loudness but he stubbornly refuse. He is from another town. The resident used a very simple method to jam his locks and each time he had to cut his locks to get into his bh until he finally reduced the loudness. At least the residents did not go to the majlis and complain about nodise, then add in shit, smell etc else every bh also kena. The residents feel that it is ok to cari makan but be reasonable.

This post has been edited by swiftcurrent: Oct 12 2010, 09:23 PM

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Added on October 12, 2010, 4:44 pmI think if build BH based on container cost Rm60K++, why not consider build 12' x 48' x 2sty BH, which may cos around that amount too.....but much SOLID than container type (i think).

Over here (thailand, sg kantang), 12' x 54' x 2 sty, stay over 10,000nests. Proven is possible.

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Many have been talking about container birdhouse, have a look on the following link and to have an insight into the actual container birdhouse.

The owner has made it a portable one whereby the steel support can be dismantled and container easily hoist to other location should the result is not too encouraging with planks and twitters / audio system / wiring etc remain undisturbed. In fact it also provides room for expansion since it is erected 20 feet above ground. Cost will be much lower if owner appoint steel contractor directly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOGUgkGaWE

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Many have been talking about container birdhouse, have a look on the following link and to have an insight into the actual container birdhouse.

The owner has made it a portable one whereby the steel support can be dismantled and container easily hoist to other location should the result is not too encouraging with planks and twitters / audio system / wiring etc remain undisturbed. In fact it also provides room for expansion since it is erected 20 feet above ground. Cost will be much lower if owner appoint steel contractor directly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOGUgkGaWE

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Container BH are only not recommended but is only good for those who are not familiar or confidence in himself. We are looking toward a BH that can last for hundred of years when our future generation will benefit and enjoy. Not just ten of years.

Why need to move your BH if your location is good or otherwise why invest in place which is not suitable just to move later when not successful cos time is money and loss of time is a loss of money, opportunity and interest. Building an unstable BH is like investing in an unstable buz venture and having no confidence in it, you already lose half the battle before going to the field. Better keep the money in the bank instead and be safe and earn 3% interest.

I will consider the treatment used as advertised if it's good but not buying containers to make BH out of it to save cost unless I have containers loitering around. At least, I have a reason for doing it rather than wasting the containers to rust.

My own comments on the matter on container BH.

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Added on October 13, 2010, 12:43 pmCan someone here help me.
My ultrasonic humidifier transducer is gone and upon checking,. I found that one power transistor is gone and where to buy such transistor @15A

2SC3320 15A

Otherwise, the new transducer will cost me Rm300.

Thank


PS. In Ultrasonic Humidifier, made sure that the transducer is not in the unit itself or otherwise, when the blower fail, the transducer will blow when the mist get to the unit circuit.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 13 2010, 12:43 PM

Hi guys, looks like we will be moving into swiftlet breeding and farming soon. Currently we are all mostly swiftlet keeper just like bee keepers.


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Just wondering how it would stabilise the industry as mentioned in the report.

This post has been edited by swiftcurrent: Oct 13 2010, 01:18 PM

Can cellullose withstand water and high humidity?

Note following definitions of cellulose on the Web:

* a polysaccharide that is the chief constituent of all plant tissues and fibers
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* Cellulose is an organic compound with the formula , a polysaccharide consisting of a linear chain of several hundred to over ten thousand β(1→4) linked D-glucose units.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose

* A complex carbohydrate that forms the main constituent of the cell wall in most plants and is important in the manufacture of numerous products, such as paper, textiles, pharmaceuticals, and explosives; A polysaccharide containing many glucose units in parallel chains
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cellulose

* cellulosic - a plastic made from cellulose (or a derivative of cellulose)
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* The main structural material of plants, the fibres of which are used for textiles, paper and synthetic resins.
www.unesco.org/webworld/mdm/administ/en/guide/guide011.htm

* basic substance of paper manufacture derived from plant tissues.
www.baph.org.uk/general%20reference/glossary%20of%20papermaking%20terms.htm

* the substance which makes up the essential parts of tissues and fibres in plants, wood, linen and paper.
www.ento.csiro.au/education/glossary.html

* The fundamental constituent of the cell wall of all green plants. It is tough and fibrous and is the principal structural material of plants.
www.animalinfo.org/glossc.htm

* A carbohydrate in plants. Cellulose makes plant stems, stalks and trunks rigid and gives structure to cell walls.
www.greatlakesbioenergy.org/research/bioenergy-glossary/

* part of plant cells that is not digestible by most animals
doylebluffs.com/glossary.html

* A form of insulation made from recycled material and treated to be flame- and insect-retardant.
conservation.bgesmartenergy.com/residential/home-performance-w/-energy-star/homeowners/glossary

* The main substance in the cell walls of plants, which is used in making paper, artificial fibers, and plastics.
www.calrecycle.ca.gov/Organics/Glossary/

* Similar to a starch, but organized in a mirror aspect; cellulose cannot be broken down by starch enzymes, and vice versa.
www.howtobrew.com/glossary.html

* Indigestible fiber in foods.
moveit4.org/dictionary.php

* a natural polymer found in wood and other plant material.
matse1.mse.uiuc.edu/polymers/glos.html

Just did a quick dig around, one of the manufacturer answer

5. What happen when there’s a leak in my roof?
One must understand that the main function of cellulose insulation is to resist the flow of heat that generates in the roof. A minor leak will be absorbed by the cellulose fiber that acts as a sponge without any problem. However, as soon as you notice a wet spot on the ceiling, call the roof specialist for assistance.

So not too sure of long term exposure to high humidity or wetness although they are suppose to be mold resistance but the question is whether they will disintegrate when exposed to dampness for a long time.

I'm 110% behind you. We do not need to make everything under our control. We make the house create the right environment and give the best we can for the Swiftlet. We should not become crazy because the money cover our eyes and let our heart become black, we as Swiftlet farmer should be the people that are good at heart and care for our surrounding.