QUOTE(Edward Wai @ Nov 8 2011, 06:40 PM)
Let's wait for another week as there is meeting between M'sia health minister and China counterparts this week. If there is good outcome, sure the price will go up, and the crisis will be over too.
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Time is running short and still no visible solution at sight so I believe those still with nests will need to wait much much longer for a better price as buyers aren't buying for CNY soon as they do not have time to process the nests in time for the festival.

I was sad that some local buyers are selling low to China buyers as they still make alot of money from buying very low recently and with it goes our chances to sell higher as China buyers now need not buy directly from us and can get better deal from our local buyers.

So, don't be surprise if the price still remain low immediately after the approval of Malaysian nests into China and the increment of price will only take effect after CNY provided if sales of EBN is good for the CNY.

Many Chinese Friends in China which I met few days ago in China knew about the Red nests crisis and were angry about it but still got a harsh lecture from me because 10 years ago, when I gave them the white nests, all of them didn't like the whites and only told me that they only take Red Nests and Reds are the bests nests even after my explanation of adulteration and impurities of the Red nests.....now, they suffer because of their ignorance and stubbornness on the matter concerned.

It may take some time before that Rich Chinese will take EBN daily so we all need to be patient and wait out the crisis.

Above, are my view on the price of EBN future and I hope that I am wrong about the waiting period........and hope that the price will increase even as I post now...

These days are unlike our days, people use thousands of tweeters in their BHs and just afew days ago, I went into a 2 years BH changing all tweeters.

Personally, I find it wasteful but I am there without the blessing of the owner and was equally surprised at the number of tweeters used. I said to myself " Oh my God", over 3000 tweeters in a 3S BH of 30 by 70 spending over 20K just for the new system.

I am not there to judge but personally, I was surprise and still am at what kind of consultant would advice so and maybe, I am outdated but really. is it really necessary to have so many tweeters in a BH...basically, 2 to 4 tweeters every 2 feets. If I am a swiftlet, I will be blurred and confused in such place but maybe, someone here can enlighten me on the matter and maybe, this it the latest way to do BH as I maybe outdated.

Question that I would ask friends here is that does it work?
Do more tweeters produce more birds to stay?
I find these crazy or am I crazy and stubborn and old fashioned not to believe in the latest method of BH sciences. Personally, I rather use better tweeters than to invest in so much tweeters and in order to support so many tweeters, he uses 10 amplifiers.

Hopefully, someone here can really put me back to the newest methods of BH technology.

Let me share just my experience in tweeters and as I am not a consultant, you are safe with me if you think I talk sense although old but the truth.

1. Tweeters are very importance to the success of BH as all do know but there are many other factors to consider which are equally important.
2. I would think that enough is enough and too many like thousands are waste of money and the only one gain here is your Consultant.The first thing the consultant will tell you that this wall or that must go and that all tweeters are not correct and must be rewired otherwise, where to make money and no one now pay consultation fee anymore. ( 20 years ago, new biz payed 12K for consultation only)
3. Listen to me and you would not regret is that if your BH fails, the least possibility is your number of tweeters as most of you have already too many tweeters rather I shall say and advice is your quality of tweeters and sound arrangement and also the sound if the problem is about the sound system.
4. Just do afew adjustment to your BH initially and not waste all your precious money cos these money can be of better usage like donating to the poor and old.
5. With so many new BHs around, your chance of getting birds surely isn't as good as before.
6. Old cases bring back memories of failed BHs just corrected by shifting tweeters and changing afew strategic corners using good quality tweeters which may solve your BHs provided that your BH does has birds entering but not making nests or rather building home.
7. Always try out the cheapest way and easiest methods before the big spending for nothing as no consultant do promise you results and you end the same as lesser cash only.
8. Please don't listen to rumor that such and such neighboring BHs have increment of thousands and yours only tens as I have been into a BH which the owner claim to have over 5000 nests but when I was there, I found it to be a joke cos a thousand maybe but surely not 2000 nests and not to mention 5K!!!! The owner may has reason to lie like "Kia Su" or maybe trying to convince some new bizs to buy his newly build BHs.

Above are just reminders and no reference to anyone or blog.

Yes, external sound will only pull the swiftlet to your entrance hole and you need to make sure that the birds fly right into your BH by extending the sound to the interior of the BH by adding tweeters (exernal sound) into the nesting area and stop there; then the internal sound shall ake over from there.

Olden time, we use the cheapest wire and that cause the melting of wire but then we didn't use so many tweeters. The cheap wire maybe inferior and therefore easily to burn if too much current pass thru and it advantages was that it save your amplifier incase of short circuit in the system by melting away where else, nowaday with good quality wire, the amp. burn out if there is any short circuit in the system......many fellow owners asked about their constant burning of amps and I told them to check for any short circuit of tweeters in their system as most of these are cause by the accidentally shorting cause by birds.

So, if you are changing tweeters, make sure that the connection is secured and strong, otherwise, your next problem shall be a burned out amp.

If you really study on External and Internal sounds in the market, the successful ones are those external with a little baby sound and internal sound are those with alittle external sound in it. So, how successful the sound is how well they blend the sound together to get good respond from the birds.

So, if you don't have the time and knowledge, leave these to the experts to do it and then sell to you trouble free but then how do you know the good apple from the bad one and there is no testing allow. Feed back from the blogs can be one way but then fake names can be used to spread lies about the goodness of the sound. If I can get 100 friends or fake names to give good comments on my new sound, then many will buy and just Rm300 per disc, hundred buyers will be Rm30K profit and multiply it by afew times and how much do I get? If I come out with a few new sound one year, I don't need to venture into the BH biz and should make enough by inventing and marketing my sounds. Some sounds sell for a few G's and last year one friend told me that he bought a new sound from Indonesia costing RM6K!!! and it's useless and doesn't draw in the birds and I didn't even like the sound when he play it to me before using it at his BHs.

Best way is to get independent trustworthy and reliable tester to do the evaluation of the new sound effectiveness before it can be sold in the market like giving 1 star to 5 stars rating.....and some recommendation on where it is best to be used. This way, everyone will be happy with sellers going to the bank and buyers smiling with the inflow of birds.

Speaking is often easy but getting it done is so difficult but can't I dream? Hopefully, past forum friends here do share their experiences here as we do missed many of our old friends.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 15 2011, 05:44 PM

TQ for the Information and shall advice my local Association to study it and make recommendation to the local authorities here. The problem is long overdue and need to act safety to ensure that all are well and we are all safe and not leaving them to the authorities to decide for themselve cos once done, not much we can do later. As election is near, better do before the election for after election cos after election, there shall no other alternative left but to "bang ball".

Believe that you will do likewise, bro.

As all are awaiting for the 1GP to take effect, why not take the time to ponder and think on how best the 1GP to be enforced by the the local authorities.

What come to my mind are

Although that a lesen must be taken to regulate the industry but how much is the lesen which should be reasonable and do not cause hardship to the raayat as not all BHs are successful and some infact hardly have any nest after afew years.

I would suggest that the agriculture BHs be given 100% waiver in the lesen fee or a minimum token amount as the government encourages the raayat to build BHs @ agriland. As such, incentives and even subsidy be provided for such venture into the agriland....and the least the government can do is provide free lesen to the agriland BHs.

The government must be fair to those in doing BHs@agriland as these projects must be given similar support by the government like other similar industries. I do agreed that the town BHs may cause problems to the local authorities ans as such should be required to pay for some of the costs for regulating the buz @ town but the Agriland BHs must be spare the hardship.

Hope all share my sentiment on the above subject, any other bright idea?

Yesterday, a local buyer was commenting on my postings of the better selling price on the forum. He told me that the buyers will push the price further down everytime I mentioned of a higher price and worst of it, they will boycott buying my nests.

I told him, so be it but what I am asking is a fair price for all and not to cause hardship to anyone. How he know that I posted it isn't important but whether by my postings do affect your selling of nests?

He mentioned that the price has drop to Rm1800/Kg and I told him that if he is sellings now, I will buy all his nests, @ RM1800/Kg and keep all the nests in the chiller. As a buyer and a many BHs owner, he must has 200 hundreds Kg with him.

Really, don't sell low even if you are scare to keep the nests. Maybe, the price will drop but the chances of it going up is higher than it going down but if all sell low, then no buyer will pay high for your nest even though the market continue to improve.

If the time come that nobody want birdnests, then why bother to keep BH anyway..sell your BH and keep your money in Bank. I am not scared but rather feeling positive about the whole affair.

Although, I sold all my nests and the next harvesting is afew months time, I will like to see that friends here get good price for their nests. Everything increase didn't we notice except the EBN that are much lower than years ago when we sold at Rm6400 at its height.

Those were the good old days and I will hope that in near future, we will surpass that figure of Rm6400/Kg....providing that we didn't allow the buyers to drag us by the nose. We will negotiate but will never bow down to pressure from someone trying to make hugh profit out of us...like the farmers who plant and sweat on his field to earn so little but the middlemen earn many times more.

That's my ambition and hope we share these, too.

Hey TF, did I mentioned it before cos I did that once before and that's years ago. I remembered that I had only approximately 2600 nests and didn't visit the BH for over 6 months and when a BH buyer came alone to buy the BH, I just quoted Rm1.7M and they confirmed it immediately. I was the fool for not counting the nests before I sold the BH and they counted the nests to be more than 4K nests. Although, then I could just refused to sell but then as a businessman and a man of honor, a golden handshake is an agreement.......but then luck still with me as I never regret that I sold the only BH that I have then as I wasn't interested in expending my fortune in the trade, and they gave me a reason to expand.

I never anticipated that I can have such huge gain over 6 months period......so, maybe, you will have good fortune, too as kind men like us do have such fortunate blessing from GOD. Hope to hear good news in a few months time.