me also think, you have a complicated and novice design, with so many rooms, BRO, listen, forget the vip,vvip, xvip rooms, to the AF the corners are their VIP lounge, so concentrate on the corners and forget the room separators, may be only one middle separator at the back min 4m away.

Mr dear head Hunter,
Me no gay me bi LOL
Indo cewek very juicy,yummy yummy. and nickel can make periok one?
please lah, me old man, very hard to do, how could 77 yrs old indo cewek help? give you free you also dont want one.
Nice weekend Bro,

OooooO ^ <

personal observation on many bird houses... rubber plantation a big No No.. however Ignore risk at your peril.

bro coolandy?
may i know where your bh location ?

Sam at klang keep a lot of books.

Bro,
allow me to comment,
1. dont rush into it,
tip: there will always be swiftlets in a billion years
2. take your time to study and research the subject well, it may take up much longer than you ever thought
tip: learn from the mistakes of others as you dont live long enough to make all of them
3. books may help a lill but not much
tip : my personal recommendation , books by nugruho ( 1. the guide book of breeding swiftlet 2. the secret of swiftlet farming)
4. more importantly talk to experience farmer
tip: this is an industry where experience RULE
5. internet is the best available resources, the forums, and many blogs, and go thru the details....
tip: you might gather a few ideas as you move on

... i will continue.

if you dont have the time, then look for the consultants (and you nightmare starts from there on)...
and they will suck every blood in your vein..


best wishes

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 20 2011, 05:54 AM

not all consultant are no good, most of them are suckers. it would be much better if you understand the subject matter well. however as i said the books would only give you the basic idea what needed to be done. like temp = 28 deg c, umidity = 85 rh
light intensity = 2 lux . no cross ventilation, etc etc,

the swiftlet farming is unique and .. doing right the first time is vital.

there are many people here that would be able to assist you edmond.

you can get the books and whatever you need for the farm from Sam, klang.

bro,
you can do yourself on bird test...
when we just started, abt 3 yrs ago
a good friend paid 'well known" consultant RM 1500 to do a bird test. excluding food and lodging
we were a bunch of fools, we thought "bird test" is like , mining gold and or looking for oil, where we need expert to do..
and the report was encouraging " land suitable for swiftlet farming"
he built a massive 50 x 160 , 4 storey..
after one year only 1 nest..
...

so bro, diy and evaluate your own bird test..

again to me, rubber plantation is a no no.. but it is your money.. who knows.

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Added on July 21, 2011, 3:08 pmhere. sam's site.

http://swiftfarmequipments.blogspot.com/

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 21 2011, 03:14 PM

Bro,
easiest you download here the location check,
www.duniawalet.com
and use your handphone,

again if you go to sam, (sorry i have no personal interest with his biz), he just being helpful to me in the initial stage esp with books, sounds and equipments. you can get the mini mobile gadget quiet cheap, if you are outstation just call him to send to you and bank in the money.

easy right.

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Added on July 22, 2011, 7:56 amooo my dear Uncle WW,
similarly, in short years i have met a contractors, a stationary shop owner, crane drivers, a newspaper reporter, watch repair shop, school teacher, ambulance driver has become a consultant.... with some experience of course, will you put you money in them?


again there are also high flyers on the market now, to me they are no better than SALESMAN, i checked all their track records from the very first time they started swiftlet farming and most of them with only 5 years experience, and none like you with over 10 years experience lol.

personally, i have no grudges against the consultants, i have followed most of them if not all and as i said sometimes they also open up my mind, thanks. they want to cari makan let them be tapi what they ought to do is after sales service and make their client happy after parting their hard earned cash. Bagi Mr ww, tak apa lah kerana dia plug money from the sky and can afford to build a new swiftlet castle. . my personal observation all of them are very busy making money and do not have much time for small timers.

and an indonesian, an electronic university lecturer, whom a good friend now, their family has bird houses over 50 years, and his own at his backyard over 20 years...at surubaya and gresik, my children stayed almost one month with them. would you not trust people like this ???

and you my dear WW, i always adore !!

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 22 2011, 11:22 AM

if i may add,
i have done too many bird test at too many places,,
one day, after coffee a friend ask to do a bird test at good location inside his rubber plantation, though I mentioned a few places that there is many failed bird houses in rubber plantation in our area. we still went i observed that many birds soo high and refused to get to where we were.

reasons: i dont understand.
tip : maybe cutting down the trees would help

as TF , (thanks for your assistance and invaluable advices, and these words from a Japanese client will always ring in my ears " the water will always fall from the sky ") said may be cutting down 100m in circumference might help, and for me i dare not take the risk if i dont have at least an acre clearance,

I also like to quote this

"Don’t be fooled by those so called high-tech consultants. I always believe in quality, not quantity. I only trust basic stuff and I have the reason to believe that a very successful BH depends very much on the designing. High tech is not necessary be applicable. Equipment used should only be adequate and appropriate. Do not overdo it[. Do not do something that may defeat the original intended purpose.

This is only my own personal views. You may ignore this if you think I am fooling around here."

I have seen today .... at not their expenses someone has overdoing it
if i am a Shaman or witch doctor (an american indian phrase for medicine man) and i will dissect his mind and tell you this
"this stupid bh owner, has the desire to have 1000 nests in one month, let me make believe that this is a reality and show before his eyes this is what you need to do to have 1K birds in one month, and of course am sure he will pay thru his back hole for this Masterpiece"

all i do : LMBFAO
tip: LESS IS MORE

semuga berhasil

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 22 2011, 03:35 PM

"Now somebody please tell me why I've got more birds on one side of the building than the other. New ideas welcome, old ideas only show that you've not been reading this forum ; )"



HA HA HA BIG Bro,
you cant be serious... !!!

let me try, maybe analyze "flying path" in road construction it is refer as "REROUTE" ooopss .. your toe, am sorry Bro

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 22 2011, 11:25 AM

Bro,
this much i can tell you from his own mouth.
"last 10 years i have constructed an average of 3 bhs per month with 100% success rate, and my best was 75 markings after 3 weeks, at kalimantan" believe it or not up to you.

can use anything as long as there will sound coming out,
as for the finer points,
look for the size of birds coming, if more young birds better chances
the numbers of birds ; they say min 200
Tip: i have acquired a place at anytime, thousands of birds.

1. flying route try morning 0700 - 0900, or evening 1600 - 1900
2. forging area . anytime.
3. central - no need testing just do it right the first time.

Bro TT,
i have not seen the river how you expect me to cross the bridge, anyway i love to see your 4 hrs video, please.
100m > 1 acre , next time you need to correct my grammar as well,, LOL
Thanks Bro.

TB,
sorry what i meant was foraging area. and central means - kawasan padat. an area full of successful birdhouses, not eco bird park lol...

True Bro WW,
this is to confirm that.. there was a research done, I would not disclose by whom, that swiftlet is like any other God's creation is polygamy by nature, and the ratio of the female birds is more than male..

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Added on July 26, 2011, 10:28 pm... there is also finding that the nest is being made mainly by the female..

and those results are from the research centre, ..

I read a blog earlier, the writer said that the male was the main maker of the nest,... such a conflicting facts, it doesnot bother me so much who makes what, but I just wanna make it clear , that in order to publish some facts you must be sure of it and not what you think what it would be in order to gain popularity. ..


alas it is a free world anyway.




This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Jul 26 2011, 10:28 PM

according to 1GP, the seller/expoter needs the permit. corerct me if am wrong.

How nice of you BRO !!

Every man has a right to life; and this means that he has also a right to make a comfortable living.

Dear TF,
Benchai is currently using it, you can ask from him the preview, if you must know I am the first malaysian to have used and ordered direct from Pecks ( I have followed his aroma progress and production from day 1 ), and it even not properly label for G3L0, and i have used both products, because of then the requirement for MSD sheets, i have to send someone to Jakarta to collect the products twice.

This is my personal recommendation.. G1L4 is good for new bird houses and for currently under production i would recommend G3L0 also from pecks. .

now you can buy from SAM.

more i cant comments..

This post has been edited by Ayah Embong: Aug 24 2011, 10:17 AM