Just my observation on your pics. to share,

As for plank information, since your friend is in D buz, then he shall be a better guy to tell you and I am not an expert in wood grading so maybe someone here maybe able to assist you.

1. As to your pics, my layman experience tell me that the white patches at the plank are of so sort of fungus or excrete from the wood which is not good. Possibility due to dead wood or someone care to explain. So, what you have aren't quality planks....to my unprofessional eyes.


2, Second look at D pictures tell me that incorrect installation of tweeters at the BH.........so, if got nests, it maybe only localised and I hope that I am wrong...........hope Sifu here can help.

3. Wasteful of space in your spacing of planks although I personally like wider spacing of planks but not to that extend. If such big spacing, I would go for at least 8 inches planks. Comments pls??

You do take good picture and till today, I still don't know how to take good pictures in the BH.

Above are only my own little beliefs and hopefully, others may want to share what they believe, think or know.

Need to see the planks to be sure of the problem as I have seen planks that have similar white patches and feel like rubber and they occurred after a year or two. You can almost remove part of it off with your fingers nails. According to my sawmill friend, those planks are dead and I did K chop 2 pieces in one chop with my bare hand....... and I am no Karate expert lah.

As for Do and Don't, it very difficult to enforce like long ago, we used to tell workers not to smoke in the BH and all food must be taken outside....what you get, smell of urine in the BH........those are labourers and "tak Sekolah" . Just my 2sen opinions.

Yesterday, a gang of 4 thieves tried to break into some BHs and one was caught. He was kicked and beaten and then Police came and took him away.

Someone in the crowd recognized the thief. He and his gang have broken into many BHs @ Kuantan so there isn't any use to forgive or pardon such people as they never change and they will be at their buz again very soon when he recover from the beating.

From what I heard, this is how they operate. They are all chinese and 4 are men and one is a woman. The woman is responsible for selling the stolen nests and the rest will steal. One thing that I am surprised when I saw their harvesting tools, they are the same as what we used and they even use water so that the harvested nests can fetch high price. Seem like they take their time to harvest your nests so be careful during the CNY.


So, best break a leg or hand to prevent them from committing the crime again and I am not being cruel as these aren't human but devils in human clothing only....and they never repent....may God forgive me for saying so.

They are from Kuantan and since Kuantan BH owners are watching over them very closely, they have begin their Buz in Kmn and since they are caught, they will be very soon move to Dungun or K.T, or maybe to Pekan, Gambang or Rompin, I guess. So, my friends in these area will need to be careful.

Just my opinion only........Have a happy and good Chinese New Year.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 26 2011, 01:22 PM

Bro,

Gong Xi Fa Cai

What is saturation, hundred or thousand and we shall let the birds decide that it time to stop as for now, we don't do it, other will and while we wait, other become rich and although the chances is lesser now but its still much better than any ventures or buz you can think off. when the good is running, we fish and also if all present BH owners cooperatem and believe in God ( God fearing) and breed the swiftlets, then all will have better chances to success sooner than we thought otherwise, a 3 years wait may prospone to 10 years. Good location and be patient will see the moon appearing.

Where is the Malaysia Boleh spirit and if other can,we can, too and may all of us be blessed with the riches from our God......IshaAllah, we all will be blessed.

Last year has been a good year for most of us and God has been kind and the new year shall bring more goodies as Rabbit year is a blessed year for all....so open all your pockets ( make sure that you do have trouser with many pockets) and stay in the line of CSY, the God of Wealth (swiftlets path) and you shall soon see white gold hanging up @ ceiling top even the walls so much that there is no more space for white gold nuggets to hang.

I wish all the above for all of you here.

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Added on February 7, 2011, 12:41 pmLet discuss the pro and con of having BH @ BHs populated area and isolate area and which is better as many have defferent opinion ove the matter.
My opinions to share.
1. To build a BH @ populated area must have the follow criteria

a.If there are many successful BHs in the area, then go ahead as your chances of success is far greater than trying out in a no BH area. If not and should all are all new BHs, you will find it rather very difficult to attract birds. So, to attract birds is very strong competition and each one owner will try to outdo the others so do it only if you are “not think but confident that you are better than the rest.

b. Here, some experts advice may be seek to booster your chances of success…..but make sure that the Consultant is real Sifu and not a fake like a guy I heard that for the past few years engaged more than 6 CONs for the job and till today, have less than 10 nests …….my apologies if hurt any feeling…..as it’s still CNY.

2. To build a BH @ agriland or no BH area.

a. Here, you need to do case study to determine if the area is a suitable area for BH construction but bear in mind that even if someone has done a study there before many years ago and find it unsuitable doesn’t mean that now is the same as the birds area will spread so do a new study on the matter. Do it only when you have position reading and not otherwise. If the land belongs to you, then do a study on the land every year or two.

b. At such area, you do have the advantage of not having to compete with other to attract birds and if you do it OK, birds will fly in and build nest as I have seen successful BHs in such remote areas and even just one storey and very small due to lack of capital, the BH is full with nests……only if you are staying at the location or very remote or else, you plant the trees, monkeys steal the fruits.

c. Obviously, a Sifu’s help in the construction of BH is better as it speed up your success rate in all cases provided of course, that the Sifu engaged is Sifu in D trade and not of another type of trade.

d. Unlike in town's BHs where most of the owners do allow the birds to breed, most successful Agriland BHs owners don't for the very reason known to us and that's the reason that I objected to the 36fts. building height limitation. So, in agriland, concentration of BHs are not good for new BH as no new fledged bird will come from these nearby BHs...and the incoming migrating new birds will obviously choose the old BHs instead of your new BH unless you are a superSifu.... .a sad but true story and hope that I am wrong.

e. Sometime in such isolated standalone area, you can’t believe your own eyes as what you see in your new BH is surprising wonderful and no new BH in populated area can beat such standard. There may be some here but they are not going to share for fear of other rushing to build BH in the area and also for other reasons. I have such experience before as a friend invited me to go to his land to see if the area is good for BH and it happened to be next to another friend’s new BH. When I phoned up this friend to ask about the BH and was told that the BH has very little nests but when I talked to his workers about the BH and was inform that the last harvest is about 4 K nests……….wonder if 4 K nests is very little for a BH of less than a year.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 7 2011, 04:22 PM

In 1GP, new BHs in town is mostly a No NO so be careful and one friend has gone to the Majlis @ Sepang to check and was informed that there is no guildline over the matter so there is no problem in building @ town but the suggestion is still the same" Best do it @ agriland and be safe". As in the above shoplot designed for BH, why not get the developer to apply the shoplots to be converted to BH lots and save all the future problems. The developer may even mark up the price as BH investors will pay more for the assurance that what sweat they put in will not go up in smoke.

Having said so, I have check it out with the Fed Swiftlets Association and was informed that the present ones can remain and new ones are not allowed so you determine and decide your own destination on the matter. Here, we are again blurred by what "present" stand for; Today as present or effective from a certain date like 01/01/2001 or other date!!!!!

I support town's BHs and has no liking for agriland BHs as it is very risky to build one @ agriland but no choice, I also have to think of agriland for my future expansion of BHs. My very first BH @ Agriland is just starting and I hope that I will be successful but I really do not have the confidence like I have for town.

Reason why.

1. To build one, one must consider the suitability of the area and that I did.
2. One must think of how to build a good BH for the birds but then also must think how to make the BH safe and sound. These two contradicted each other in so many ways and to build one really crack my tiny head ( although I have a large head).
3. For their safety, I hope that the birds do like what I design and create just for them as my cost of building it exceed 500K which normally cost 300K.
4. Anyway, I still proceed even if my coffer run dry as what's derive from them, go back to them to safeguard their offspring and may my noble deed be repaid with nests..........IshaAllah, I will success or else....I shall have a palace of my own to live alone.....

Even in town, row and row of BHs been broken in esp. 2S BH so what about the agriland?

Maybe, Friends here has some answer to my worries.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 9 2011, 12:55 PM

Sad news after CGM, the 15th. as we are still in new year so everybody be Happy and smile cos God is watching us.

as the drum beat "Thong Thong Dong Chang, Dong Chang" ......... sound like stealing every thing!!!!!!! Hahahaha, Have a happy New Year and may the Majlis be kind to us.

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Added on February 10, 2011, 12:16 pmJust saw a utube on "integrated farming concept, swiftlet captive breeding system, aqualculture" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1R0yuhMKII and they put the swiftlets farming next to their chicken farm.......it's just like placing petrol near the fire and it may explode anytime. If any of the chicken is to get flu, then there is always a possibility that the swiftlets may get it as these swiftlets are hand feed and their workers hands or food maybe contaminated with chicken flu and spread it to the swiftlets. While free flying swiftlets will not get the flu, there are no assurance that the swiftlet captive breeding concept may not expose to the flu....then mati kita semus juga due to the ignorance of those big time guys coming in with their so called Integrated Swiftlets farming or captive breeding and they don't even bother to isolate the swiftlets away from the source of the prime problem facing the industry.

Although the swiftlets are Free from any diseases and maybe immune to the bird flu but these people are infact trying to make the swiftlet gets the flu by their methods of farming swiftlets. Hope the swiftlet are immune to chicken's flu as we know that the flu do mutate and can now spread to human.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 10 2011, 12:16 PM

Many years ago, a friend of mine just returned from Thailand and informed me that the Thai Authorities burned down a BH because of Bird Flu and he was looking for sign from my face...."Why aren't you scare that the authorities here will destroy your BH because of bird Flu/"

I answered that swiftlets never get bird Flu as they never touch the ground and only birds that have contact with the ground will get bird flu. Secondly, the Thailand case was because the BH happened to be in the 5kilmetre circumference, all birds in the area will need to be destroyed including the swiftlets although swiftlet never touch the ground to contact with the virus.....

So, I am really scare that if the chicken near the BH happen to get H1N1 or worst H5N1, then 5 kilometer radius, all birds must be destroyed include our precious swiftlets......although the mature birds can fly away, all chicks and eggs must be destroyed and all the BH disinfected.....that will leave you bankrupt or heart broken.

So, the best way is to be careful and never rear chicken or other fowls near your BH or else........all your years of sweat and hardship all gone.

Better grow other even earth worm will be good and you may feed the BS to the worms and maybe make alot of cash from it......I know that fishes like the BS but do worms like BS, too.

One thing that I know is that don't plant fruit trees near BH as these attract bats and other animals to the area. Oil palm is good as swiftlets like those insect living on oil palm and there are lots of insects. Rubber trees aren't good for BH. Maybe, expired infos but just write something to share.....

Any disagreement, kindly post it here to share.

I may be wrong and hope that I am wrong as the new GP disallow open window type and also DK face some problems with the local authorities due to the changes in the structure of the building only if your BH @ town only. Agriland, no problem lah.

Personally, I never like to change entrance if the entrance is good. Changing of entrance will effect the population of swiftlets although the most of the old faithful will slowly returning back after some assurance that there is no problem with the new entrance. During initial period, you may see alot of swiftlets flying over your BH not knowing what to do and many even loiter and stay nearby. It may take a few days for them to settle down.

Just my observation and if others wish to share their experience.

One very rich man from Sabah wanted to build some BHs on his land in Sabah ( Near KK, I presumed) but then according to what I heard and understand that Sabah isn't a good state for Swiftlets. He wants some advices from me and I wish to help him although without any personal gain but as a friend. Maybe, I may gain some knowledge here from readers @ forum.

I know that Sarawak is excellent place for BHs so if there is anyone @ forum can give me some ideas on Sabah's potential for BHs before I go there to help this guy with his new venture. If all goes well, I may be visiting Sabah during the month of March.......


Looking at the map of Sabah and that's there is a hugh swiftlets sanctuary in the state, there is no reason for the poor increment of swiftlets. I do urge the Sabah authorities look in to the matter so that all Sabah BHs can be plentiful.

Possible reason that I may think are,

1. Even without the migration of the wild swifltets from the caves, the present ones shall be able to produce large offsprings to fill most of the BH in short time as Sabah do have plentiful food resources. Allow all chicks to fledged and support the industry and look far ahead instead of present financial rewards. For one thing that I know is that Sabah do have alot of swallows and other swiftlets, so Edible nest swiftlets shouldn't be a problem at all.

Above is just my feeling on the matter and the furthest that I have been to the East Malaysia is Miri and that's for Lions Convention and not on swiftlets matter. So, my comments on the matter isn't conclusive but I hope that I do have your advice for me on Sabah's Swiftlets, anything is better than nothing as I am blurred as Sabah is concerned and what I heard are from friends having swiftlets connection from East Malaysia and from the mouth of East Malaysia participants @ Seremban Swiftlets Workshop few years ago.

Anyone having SWIFIN president, Mr. Geoge Ng HP no will be appreciated............PM me or email me also OK.( email: wwoptic@gmail.com)

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 15 2011, 07:03 PM

The bible of Good Animal Husbandry Practises (GAPH) for swiftlets must be rewritten all over again as by just changing or modifying afew pages doesn't make sense as the book was first written long tim ago when our good Doctor was new to the swiftlets management and that's why many readers then commented that the book sound like or similar to chicken farming which is totally different to swiftlets management.

A total new GAPH on swiflets will be more appropriate and since the writer has now gain so much experience and pratical knowledge plus all scientific study done; I presume that she now be a better man (woman) to tackle the new book.

Many new found informations and understanding on the swiftlets so I beleive that it's about time that we come to a new chapter in Swiftlets management although I always prefer to call it " Swiftlets Sanctuaries Management" SSM in short form.

Just speaking from my heart with no intention of hurting anyone esp. our good friend, Dr.F....who has always been very helpful and really kind to the swiftlets.

Oyes, Ben Chai, you are from Sabah so can I have your contact or email.
PM me if OK with you, my friend cos we never met each other and maybe some good thing may come over a long coffee talk.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 16 2011, 08:28 PM

I have heard of many Consultants and Expert in Swiftlets farming giving lecture in KK and I do beleive that there are many readers here that might have attended their lectures and seminars on swiftlets. Topics like "How to be a millionair" " imagine everyday the owner can harvest a kilogram for the rest of his life !" stories. Really, how many have succeed and how many have fail even after attending these lectures.

I asked because I am sincerely concerned and I wish and want all well.....even not to the extend to become a millionaire overnight or over a year; at least, be able to pay for the bank interest and still have some to makan.

Please do remember that everything that I did and said are for the good of the swiftlets and to ensure that swiftlets be protected, I need to first ensure that the breeders can make profit from protecting the birds..

Long ago, swifltets are only found in lime caves and the only reason that they migrated to our deserted buildings are to find safety from predators esp. Man. Here, we have a group of people willing to save them by providing these helpless birds with sanctuaries but obviously on certain condititions and terms......providing that there is rewards in doing so. Now, the birds maybe becomign so used to us that they have become AF Domesticated. If so, they can no longer return to the lime caves anymore, else, they will die.

This is a money world and as so, there must be a reason for us to do anything no matter what we did. Like we pray, we did it so that our life be better and our family be healthy and happy. We pray for all the goodness and our donations are no purely for unselfishness but that, we believe by giving goodness to others, goodness will come to us...... be money conscious good but no greedy as too fast and too much gold can kill you.

So, I am not special, too as I also gain from swiftlets and for that, I need to repay their kindness and wealth so I did my best to help others to be succssful...the chances for the swiftlet to populate and expand......

So, for Sabahan BH owners, if you are successful and do make from BH investment, I ama very happy for you and if you failed...Failed or SUccess, we wish to know all and maybe iby knowing more there, we be able to help all to sustain and improve your abilities to make enough money to stay and provide the swiftlets with safe sanctuaries.


So, Sabahan BH owners esp. failed ones, nothing to loss but all to gain if any........ We can all share and study and hopefully be able to provide you with a solution to your problems if any. ...or best if successful, be able to help new comers to overcome teething problems which may affect my friend if he started his BHs which honestly, I just agreed and provide my tiny understandings of swiftlets for free....and even sacrifice 3 days buz income for him.

Hope that he provides me with free makan and logging....hahaha. Hope to hear from friends from Sabah.

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Added on February 17, 2011, 10:25 amYes, agree cos swiftlets are the same....if you move too fast, accidents with swiftlets occur so you need to move slowly to ensure that the swiftlets can detect your location in darkness. So, with swift and fast movement of the nets, you can catch bats....and relocate them far away......remember these bats shouldn't be on your dinner plate...hahaha

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 17 2011, 10:27 AM

[quote=Rangnok,Feb 17 2011, 12:57 PM]Turn on the light while harvesting and or cleaning the BH.

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Added on February 17, 2011, 4:15 pm
So far i never any thailand authorities that burn down any BH. Our BH spread in southen thailand but never heard of it. Is it possible to find out the exact location, so that i get prepare for the worst. thanks.

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Don't you worry, the news was about 15 years ago from a BH consultant but it's not a matter if the news is real or fake at that time but the warning still remain. That is if a chicken farm next to your BH happened to get H1n1 or worst H5N1, the possibility of the swiftlet getting the disease increase, then the authorities will destroy every birds in the BH and all birds including chicks and eggs in the 5 km radius and maybe, my friend must be talking about a wooden BH at some remote area and the Thai authorities must have burned it down....15 years ago.

So, in our trade, we really need to be very careful and take all precaution to prevent any such incident from happening even we all know that swiftlets @ present will not get the disease but with the new method of farming swiftlets, anything can happened if not careful. With our free to come, free to go swiftlets, there isn't a reason to be afraid cos our swiftlets will not get the deadly diseases unless thru human intervention. (Presently, we only provide the swiftlets with a safe sanctuary to breed). Be Happy

By the way, how much can I get for a kilo of nests in Thailand?

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Added on February 17, 2011, 5:05 pm

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Added on February 17, 2011, 4:26 pm
i. Sabah has cold season, therefore, not that suitable for bird nest farming. Unless your BH can design in a way that esp. at night maintaining the temperature max. not lower than 24'C. Anything below that, not able to breed i.e. can not hatch (incubation fail).
ii. Must be far enough from cave cos so far noone can design BH that better than cave.

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TQ and if it's the only problem then there is no problem. If we human can even stay alive @ North or South Poles...so, with some modifications in BH and some try and errors, we will overcome the night dropping of temperature.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 17 2011, 05:05 PM

From my experience,

1. I have in thousands of nests BH regularly and the smell is serious but I am still alive and well and worst, I don't wear any mask as I can't breath thru mask and feel very uncomfortable with them. That's proved that it's harmless but then, if you not healthy, you may faint so try to clean your BH more regularly to prevent the ammonia from BS as according to doctors, it's dangerous and bad for health to inhale too much of ammonia gasses. Oyes, in my BH, I would aften have s closed window in every floor so that when I am in the BH, I would open the window and let fresh air in.

2. By the way you describe the situation, you must have wet floor to create so much of gasses or otherwise you must have thousands of birds to produce similar effect.
3. Comparison with last year or any year is wrong as different time, different climate and almost everything can make a difference and the worst is the way you manage your BH. As I always mentioned, when the good is going, maintain the way and don't be stupid to follow blindly to any consultant's advice....not even mine!!!!
4. I have lizard problem, too but then, we manage to kill them so we need not use any chemical but I do heat that there is lizard stick and food to eliminate the pest...

5. Ultrasonic Humidifier has its problem like you need very clean water and maintenance is rather high. Break down more regularly but I do like the mist and not wet floor...feeling like you are in heaven ..hahaha. Furthermore, birds don't mind the ultrasound create by the UH.....honest
remarks by me!!!

6. As for the danger of UH posted by CoolAndy, you need to check it out. Best of luck to you , my friend.

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Added on February 20, 2011, 11:11 amFor a new BH, in my opinion, it is best not to use any chemical even that the products seller may tell you that it's safe cos the seller may not know anything about BH or just pure good salesmanship. In the end, you lose or win but he still gain no matter what the outcome so beware....

Last Friday, I just went to visit 2 3S BHs (25x80) for sales @ RM520 K each with an acre of wet land @ Pekan. Over 6 months and after viewing the BH, I feel sad for the owners as the conditions and methods are not to my expectation of BH sanctuary specifications. On the way to the location, over 50 BHs can be seen by the lane and what about the interior which is not visible to my eyes......I went into the BH, the smell is not what I expect a BH should smell and too many even to comment.

If he is selling @ cost, then I will buy and try my luck but at the price quoted then I need to consider or recommending them to my friends to invest there as we will need to spend alot of money and also the location is too far and also at that area over 10 BHs, all not succefull.....so the competition to lure swiftlets is very high and difficult. Area suitable but everybody fighting for survival and that why I am against Eco Park concept in the first place for if too many BHs at ond location it's itself create a difficulty to gather enough birds to sustain and generate enough income to justified investment. The older BHs at the location will be better as they have an early start in the race.

Any buyers here interested, I can introduce the broker to you without any commission or kickback to me. There are many sellers @ Pekan and even failed BHs, some sellers are offering high prices for their BHs. One BH (3years) with just 200 nests is asking for 1.2M.

So, before you jump the Gun, make sure that your money is well invested at good location and with good consultant or contractor. Even if you failed, then you will get back all your money invested but don't expect to make alot of money for a failed BH unless the new intended buyer is a Fool.

Above is just my opinions on the matter concerning BH investment.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 20 2011, 11:11 AM

With the mask on, the max. time I last is approximate less than 1 hour then I feel heavy in the head maybe due to shortage of breath but without the mask, I am totally at home with the swiftlets but not the ticks. I can last 5 hours without problems.

Now, we don't swipe the BS, we drag it along with our home made tool to pull all BS to a location closed to the entrance when there is free flow of air. Here, we scope up the BS into bags and roll them down the stairs, saving alot of energy. Long ago, the most difficult work is to carry the used fertilizer bags down the stairs and now with the new method off rolling them down the stairs, more of fun than of work....just like doing bowling them down the stairs.

We have gone thru all the sufferings during the years and nowaday, the newbizs can learn from our mistakes and ways so it's easier for them. Long ago, I need to blow my nose under the water to clear the dust accumulated in the nose but I am still alive and well. The last X ray show nothing. So, you see how safe but maybe I am the lucky one so don't try my way, use good mask.

Oh D smell....just say that when you are used to it like me, you learn to like it and that's why I can say if your BH don't smell like a BH hahahaha
Honestly, the smell isn't a problem but be careful when you sweat and if the BS dust get to your tight pant, your thigh burns when sweat mix with BS to create acid and burn under your pant. So,, do wear a loose pant in the BH and forget about all pests if any, they aren't dangerous to you....That's my X-periance. Pedas is when you get the BS dust into your eyes and mix with your tear like the above reason .....acidic lah.

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[quote=swiftcurrent,Feb 21 2011, 05:20 PM]
Any disagreement, kindly post it here to share.

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Rubber plantations produces swarms of mosquitoes as they breed in the rain water collected in the clay cups or plastic bags used to collect latex. Mosquitoes are good food for swiftlets but not too good for humans. Millions of human are killed by mosquitoes every year. So one can safely claim that swiftlet faming is safer than rubber plantations.

There is almost zero mosquitoes in oil palm plantations.... no breeding places for them and as you said there are lots of other insects for the switlet. So imho BH & oil palm plantation is good combination.

Fruit trees are great eco systems - attracting ants, musang, bats, flying fox, squirels etc etc that in turn attracts snakes, owl, eagles etc etc quite interesting if you like to observe wild life but can be distressing when some of them starts to make their way into your BH.

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Hi Jackie,

From what I see so far, BH @ rubber plantation aren't doing well although initially, I do feel that rubber plantation and BH can mix well and should be encourage but then after abserving many failures @ rubber plantation, I feel that it must be the tapping of the rubber trees causing a very negative smell and unknown that the swiftlets don't like. Here, is for you guys to find out why or if I am wrong cos some place, rubber plantation BHs has thousand of nests due to the availability of mosquitoes in the rubber estate. Anyway, as long as mosquitoes stay in among the rubber trees, there isn't a way for the swiftlets to get to the mosquitoes.

Fruits trees like rambutan attract ants and red giant ants and bats. Tall fruit trees are good place for predators of swiftlets to wait and prey on the swiftlets in the BH. The swiftlets are helpless once they are inside the BH and are sitting ducks for the predators.

Hopefully, we can many forum friends discussing here and hope to receive feedback from all. Below are all my opinions only.

1) There isn't a specifications on how much is needed but rather if you need it or not. If you need it, then get the best of it and that's fresh BS for performance or you may want to use processed BS......
2) Again, there is no standard for it and if your BS is really good and there are lots of birds in the sky, with good sound, immediate result may occur and birds will rush it and check out your BH. Checking it out doesn't mean they will be staying cos it need more that BS to do the trick. Other factors are needed and pls. read V1, V2 and V3. Many books on swiftlets although most are for newbizs will give you the information you need.
3) Lizards???? I can't help you on this as I don't have this problem as all L are either dead or disappear in my BHs. Someone pls. help here.

May we have other view or comments on the matters.

If you are from Kmn. then it shouldn't be a problem at all. Phone up your friends in the BH Buz and they will gladly get BS when they do the cleaning..............Kmn. BH owners are all friends and can share many others including BS.. Hope that help.

As the Adv for my Club, we are always happy if anyone wishes to promote their product to give talk on it at our Club and we have over hundred over practicing members and many have a few BHs each and always expanding. Forward your proposal to our secretary to make arrangement if you wish to explain why and how your products serve the industry and why we should shift to using your products and why your products are better than the old method or materials used in Q&A session with members.

This way, you can make good honest money and our members will be happy and also appreciate our Club's commitment of providing the members with the latest technologies and methods of BH management. But, remember yo promote and explain the truth about your products cos if you lie, we know because many of us, are pioneer in the industry. I for one don't let you go easily with my line of questioning. "Sian Sia Ren, Hou Chin Cher" is one of my principles and I hate people who lie.....again, that my way of life and other may not.

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Added on February 23, 2011, 2:50 pmBro,

Looking at your planks and these are real heavy weight, abit wastage for birds to build their nests. What I think you may have problem because you didn't have groove on the plank for the birds to have grip on the plank in order to make nests so most of the nest are very close to the ceiling top. But your BH must be good for the birds by looking at the picture and with that, my opinion, you got very good potential in this BH to be very successful. Use a sharp object like knife to make groove for the birds to grip and you will see wonder in your BH in very near future.

Gong XI Fa Tar Cai


Regards,
FongSui West Wing.


This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 23 2011, 02:50 PM

Hi TF,



In my sincere opinion, BH should be water proof as allowing water seep or absorp into the wall will cause deterioration to the BH and many others.

Pls. correct me if I am wrong,

1. We want high humidity but we don't the planks to be moist and having said so, a friend just renovate his 3 years. Agriland BH because of very poor quality nests due to too wet and for the last 3 years, he didn't use any humidifier and still his walls are all moist from the rain water accumulating in the wall.

I still prefer to use humidifier to control humidity than to leave them to nature. Water that seep into the walls will slowly break down the structure of compound material.

2. I was infact advising others to paint their external wall with water based lime paint to prevent such incident and here, your intention to allow wetness. It's good if you have lower half wet wall and the upper half dry, maybe this way, we can have the best of both worlds.

TF, only difference opinion and maybe, you can correct me if I am mistaken or wrong and to share with us and hope to hear others comment on this interesting topic.


All comments are in the interest of Swiftlets BH management and maybe, Sifu like Ben ( now a BH builder/contractor) and other Sifus may want to share their experance and knowledge with us.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 26 2011, 12:41 PM