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Added on November 20, 2010, 10:14 am
In the GP1, under section 4.3.2 a) semua pengusaha menjalani aktiviti perladangan burung walit perlu mengikuti GASP sekali sahaja so what that mean????????????? So, that So and So must be lying when he said NO to you so F*** him!

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2 years ago, 1GP or Melaka GP not even approved by cabinet. According to the officer, the latest GAPH explain the latest Melaka GP guideline. So we need to attend to understand what is the guideline for license application. Although is waste of time and money for me as I attended before, but at least I can see that Melaka government is seriously want to legalize the swiftlet farming.

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As I see it, there is nothing illegal about providing sanctuaries for swifltets but then again, there should be some form of guildlines and standards that all must adhere to so that in future, there shall be no problem facing the industry like sound complaints from the public which infact, I am also a victim of the noise polution .

We, human are all greedy and selfish when come to $$$$$$$$ and only when problem arises like summon served, will run to the Association to seek help. Here, we have similar problem and that the YTP has issued one month notice to more than 10 BH owners to return the building to as original within a month or face a fine up to 25,000 and the Association has taken up the case and things seem OK until today, one BH owner again ran me up to tell me that the bandaran people has just enter his bh as his workers are doing renovation....why do it now and not stay low as advised until the storm is over for good. This storm just died and here you start another crisis.

So, everyone in the trade, be a nice guy and be good and hope all well for all of us.

I don't know about Thailand but in Singapore, my sis need to have a Singaporean partner. The problem is that you cannot do any work in your company and you will be fine if the authorities find you helping in the company. My sis was fined and warned not to do it again and Singapore enforcers just typical Singaporean are "KS" and you will be caught so beware.

Now, my sis is OK because she apply for PR and she paid heavily for the PR running into millions of ringgit investment..... Worst of all, now she must use Singapore car which cost many times more.

I just found out from a Malaysian living in China that we can lease properties in China and all commercial properties in China are lease anyway and once the property change hand, it's again a new 75 years old lease so go ahead and invest in China and even after 50 years, you will get many times as the market is growing very fast in China as the new buyer will have a new lease of 75 years. Unlike in Malaysia, when the lease end, you need to apply and the authority may not grant you an extension and if they do, you need to pay a percentage of the valuation price. Am I right cos my friend told me so.........

Dear Andy,

I heard about how good your products are and friends from Singapore also told me about the good insulating properties but I haven't heard of one fellow here using your products on a BH.

Secondly, the contractor you introduced to me gave a high quotation for the BH..........so, I just stick to old way of doing BH. No offence as cost is definitely a big consideration in BH construction. If you have provided more BH contractors using your products, then, maybe, we maybe able to see results in using EPS in BH construction.

BERITA SAHAM KINI

GOOD NEWS..............QUALITY EBN @ RM5600!!!! So don't sell low but must sell one month before CNY to get best price !!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, TuckFook. Appreciated, you learned well.... hope I do remember well.

May I add alittle, most importance of all place to maintain temperature is the ceiling where the birds shall make their nests. Secure the area well, you may be rewarded. Also, a roof over the ceiling top may also do the job of preventing overheating of the ceiling area.

Only yesterday, one of my friend sold his small and feathered nests for Rm4900 and mind you.........less than 2 fingers. THe buyer want only white nests and mine, brown bigger than 3 fingers as I never harvest my nest with eggs nor chicks and allow them to breed so if mine cannot get best price, so be it and I am happy with Rm4K+ for my brown and heavy weight BN. Here, Processed nest are sold at Rm6800 and I helped my friend to sell to some Chinese men here on project Study @ Rm8K per kilo processed EBN. So, if any seller want to sell at RM4000 for white and big nest, I buy and resell at a profit of more than 1K......now only as prices fluctuate fast.

If CNY EBN sales in China is good, then we expect the price will go higher but otherwise, then down..............

Come any month and if any buyer want nests, I have it even during monsoon time.......but fair price!!!!

As for EBN in China, most of the EBN are smuggled into china by runners from HK for a fee and it has been going for century. So, for us to compete with them will be very difficult as their cost is cheaper than us without having to pay any tax and to make it worst, our own departments are creating so much difficulties to export legally so don't blame people who want to export sell it to the Indo who have contacts in HK to smuggled EBN into China. Even in China, the situation isn't easy cos you need good contact to sell your EBN or else, you end up selling them @ chinese pasar malam or cheap price.

A little about China marker, , EBN is cheap in Guangzhou as most of the nest are of Indonesian type but in other region like Shanghai, EBN can go from CNY20K to CNY60K at outlets.

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Added on December 6, 2010, 12:39 pmHey, no wonder that they say, birds of the same feather fly together. Like me and you, because a few days ago, I was toying with the idea of using heater in the BH during monsoon time and what best way to do it without overheating the BH.

Any bright idea.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 6 2010, 12:39 PM

As far as I know,

There isn't any Godfather controlling the EBN sales but that the big timers in China aren't happy when we tried to undercut their price and you may ask some of those Malaysians exporting EBN to China and they will have stories to tell. Do it quietly without disturbing the Big Guys and they may leave you at peace or otherwise, they may get the authorities to charge you. The big guys there have millions to spend and EBN is a lucrative buz and they are not going to let afew Malaysians trying to spoil their market.

Wanna sell directly to China; you need contacts in China like my friend who happen to meet his old school mate in China and recommended him some buyers in China and once, the Chinamen KOK with you and make friend, then the climate and situation became totally difference.

The buyers in Guangzhou know our price in Malaysia better than some of us so only thru good connection, you may make profit and in volume, you, too will prosper....be be careful, all must be done in cash and never be too greedy to do big and make rich quickly.

My knowledge on Exporting EBN to China to share.

When you want to JV, I believe for the follow reasons.

!. You have land and don't have money and you have money but no land. Either way, it's for win win situation. Here, a very long partnership as high investment is involved.

2. You have both but no time to take care of BH and need someone to do and take care of the BH so that you can make money. This method is like getting a caretaker and pay him in the form of EBN. Here, a very small percentage is taken as payment and the contract is limited to a lesser than 10 years.

3. The land belong to both and so there is no alternative but to JV.

4. For failed BH or new BH, it's very stupid to JV, dividing earning just to get birds and method of doing so can be easily obtain and need not go into extreme in giving into partnership with consultants.

I do provided suggestion and solved problems for friends without consultation charges nor fees but occasionally get hampers and XO....taking the gifts is knowing that you have make another man happy and not that I cannot afford hampers or XO as we are all in the same trade and maybe in future, I too may need their help. By helping, they also make me richer as there are more fledged birds, my BHs increment will also prosper......God's wealth is to share and by sharing may bring health, peace and long life.

So, my sincere advice to all who have succeed, do share your experience with new biz as nothing is really so secretive about BH management at all.

I share and everyone that I share my knowledge, are my best of friends till today. Do share as when everyone around you are happy, so will you........talk too much again...sori

Talking about dead chicks, it is expected that during this period, there shall be dead chicks. Many Consultants and esp. Buyers will tell you to throw away all eggs and chicks as they are interested in getting to your nests.....telling you that all eggs and chicks will die anyway. This, I will emphasis again again if needed to that only a handful will die or maybe alittle more but majorities will survive to see the day. In one of my BH, about 30 dead chicks counted but then there are thousand of chicks and what 30 chicks to a thousand chicks.......

If all BH owners have hearts, those thousand or maybe million of chicks that live through the monsoon will start very soon start new families and producing nests and your dream of having thousand of nests or maybe 10k or 20K nests will not be just a dream.

IshaAllah, we shall all succeed.

Till today, there is nothing can beat our old Chicken Coop Humidifiers as they are cheap and easy to maintain; not that other type are no good but many are expensive and difficult to maintain. Concerning your old chicken coop Humidifier, don't throw them away if they fail because they are easily repair and cost very cheap. You can do the repair yourself if you understand how... if a seniorman like me can do it then there should be no problem for you all.

Talking about RED nests, you need to see it in order to believe it cos it do happened but not because the bird make red nest, we caused it.

Just like my friend's BH, his Consultant sealed the roof with a sheet of steel to prevent burglary. Good luck and no break in for the last 5 years but then leakage in the roof and rain water seep in and cause the metal to rust and in the process, create red nests, dull red nests.

So, if you want white nest, never use metal near nests or else, you may get red nests if the metal become rusty and spread to the plank and nest.

A suggestion, you may put wet copper sheet near your nests to create green nest and other colors if you use different metal..........not recommended but maybe for the fun of producing multicolor nests to show off. hahaha

I never knew that we do have so many experts/ consultants at this forum or otherwise, I should have taken precaution in posting otherwise, I may be shot like a turkey or should I say, an Owl in BH terms.

Good to have many consultants in the forum and hopefully, they do contribute to the learning of all in the trade but can make money but don't cheat. If you do have good way or good thing to sell, by all mean, sell and make clean and honest profit.

Please do forgive me if I make mistake as there are so many Sifus watching and I am just an average amateur dicussing what I think is the best way.

Hopefully, do let us know that you are a consultant or a contractor in the field so that we may have better understanding. Be proud of what you are and I for one do appreciate good experts, consultants and contractors providing support in this field as they do play very important role in the development of the industry as a whole.

Introducing myself, I am just a plain simple swiftlets sanctuary provider with no hidden interest but to make swiftlets happy and by doing so, make me richer and live linger.

I just happy to see other BH owners succeed in the field and by doing so, sometime do make some commission if provided like introducing consultant (honest ones) or introducing buyers to seller ( if buyer want to put angpow into my pocket.... aha).

Where will most of us be without the advice of consultants and contractors but we shall be looking for are the good apples and not the bad ones or the unripe ones and so, this forum is also for the sharing information on who what and who not.

Again, talk too much and so shameful to post in front of so many consultants and experts. Lastly, hope that all experts do share and you gain, the newbiz also gain. Just like a new factory producing goods and if you sell him some new machinery and it's faster and produces more, then why not....

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Added on December 15, 2010, 3:31 pmJust my point of view:

1. Just by counting the number of birds entering isn't very importance but the gradual increment of nests is. but but but the fun of counting is really very enticing and you really find peace and happiness in doing so like me long long ago.

2. Yesterday, in your new build BH, you saw hundred but that doesn't mean that today, no birds.....you lose hundreds. For new BH, you may see hundreds birds today but that group may not retun tomorrow but in afew days time. So, you need time to determine if you fail or succeed....so need to be patient. Just like fishing and if you disturb too much, you end up kosong like fishing also.

3. Take a note of all you see and then do evaluation only after a month or two. Then, you decide on your next action. Don't try to out smart yourself and keep on renovating and re renovating until the very few birds that stay also leave...then you are back to square one, kosong with afew expired nests.

I speak from my experience and hope if others may wish to post their difference views to share so that I like we can also learn.

For new biz, you must look at all angles if you fail to have birds staying but the wise words is to be patient like a father waiting for your first baby to be born. Don't rush and make silly mistake and in the end, you did not get birds and worst you lose alot of money unnecessary that you may not be able to afford. In that case, you may want to sell and I may want to buy if it's cheap and in swiftlets' care area..

Just my humble experience and understanding of swiftlets to share and only if you agree.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 15 2010, 03:31 PM

Mois,

from the above,

1. Your BH was 1.3K nests ( approximated 180 nests then 800 nests (6 kgs) @ 1st.Floor after 4months and you said only increment to 1 Kg, so how many nests of your's is 1Kg? Your information isn't correct or I am fooled.

2. To me, any increment @ lower floor is normal and if the increment is @ upper floor, then you may need to correct your entrance to your lower floor so that you may experience the same increment for the upper floor or maybe your sound isn't doing it's job.

3. If 4 months, increment of 200 nests is very good as most of the present new BHs don't have this story to tell. Congratulation!

4. You harvest every 20 days, from that I believe that you must be doing selective harvesting but some time of the year, it's impossible to do 20 days harvesting as there will be no fledged bird nests to harvest.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 16 2010, 11:46 AM

[today only u know u sound too much ah...me years back aready see see ******* know who i,m la
malaysia nest industrail many things many people donno yet even u also same i dare to say,,,perli ..

consultant ah??if he is good ah he him self should be harvesting 50kg abouve n every month dancing in chang ping aready...still have to stay at hot sun n nail yr bird house mea????]

Got the above personal PM. So, may I just add what I believe..

Just like fortune teller and if he is really good, he should be super rich and need not give consultation. What the writer mean is that if the Consultant is really good, he is already a very wealthy man, with billions and why need to stand under the hot sun to help you make your million dollars dream comes true. Like D.B and J.C, they should make very good consultants but they aren’t and why???? Because they are super rich BHs owners to even consider teaching you or should I say “wasting time on you” to earn peanuts. I also will not do consultation work but just loiter around here to try to help if I can for the birds, I would say.

So, to the above gentleman, I will say, the consultant may not have the money or the consultant know the trade only or worst, if the consultant is really good but luckless like a professional gamble who know every tricks in the buz and know his chance well and still lose because even if hundreds to one chance that he lose, he still lose.

Good Consultants/contractors are a contributing factor for the newbuz who know nothing or every little of the trade. So, Newbiz pay to learn and hopefully, he has been guided well to success. Also, for the failed ones, a good consultant who know his job can help alot as in most cases @ good location, it's the every small thng that we missed out.

What I like the most is a good contractor who know his BH well to build you one that is what I call, “Swiftlets Friendly”, a true sanctuary for swiftlets……that way, your chance of getting swiftlets better, faster and more. Thing like location, surrounding, nature forces to the type of material used are really very importance to building a successful BH.

Lastly, since the writer is reading our postings and he know “ Exporting EBN” very well and he maybe able to help those who want to sell EBN oversea by posting what he experianced or maybe if he is going to take you all for a study trip to learn “How To Exporting EBN” and if he is conducting it, I shall recommend to join his study group as you all will surely learn the right ways as well as the wrong ways of exporting EBN.

So, first to Indo, HK and Can to learn, then to CP to dance and relax and that’s life according to the writer above ???????

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Added on December 19, 2010, 5:38 pmBH'e entrance is very important to the success of a BH as recently, a friend of mine has decided to do what I recommended to him a year ago after my visit to his BH. Then, his BH has 2 hundreds nests after 2 years.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 19 2010, 05:41 PM

BH Entrance is very important to the success of a BH as recently, a friend of mine has decided to do what I recommended to him after my visit to his BH a year ago. Then, his BH has 2 hundreds nests after 2 years.

On inspection, I found that the area was very good but his BH's entrance was really bad, so bad that the birds need to do " S " to enter..............but he was happy with the birds population of 200 birds. What I told him was that his result was because his area is good and that he is very lucky person.

After another year, his increment is very low and so he decide to improve his entrance hole with the help of a contractor and walao, immediately, to his surprise, he saw the birds rushing into his BH and he is very please with the outcome.

Here, we learn that how success is your BH must also depend on location and time of the year so never compare with BH with another area. Base your success with nearby BH will be a more appropriate scale or judgment.

My view to share.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 20 2010, 02:07 PM

There is a cover for the Taiwanese humidifier that you may want to use for the wet floor problem and should be good according to friends using them. The cost for the plastic cover having 4 outlets is approximate Rm80 per pc and you may DIY..... which I did costing RM15 but surely crude lah.

By all mean, buy and many sites are selling them and I believe where you buy your humidifier, you may get them there, too.

Case study on the cover, it solve the problem of wet floor as well as birds accidentally hit by the humidifier but lesser mist.... remember to buy the latest model, the one with a "J" outlets.

After some years of using the humidifier, you may need to change the noisy bearing or the condenser of the unit but the cost is cheap, just a few ringgit each and you may DIY.

Sad story to tell, for the last few days, a few BH in the town has been broken into and lost of birds life and eggs.

So, you need to take precaution if your BH is in the same roll as a hotel or workers residence. Build up a dividing wall, better safe than sorry later.

All 2 storey BH @ town is never safe and some of my friends having such BHs are harvesting their nests like nobody business but that never solve the problem. They must prevent the stealing of nests instate of trying to harvesting earlier than the thieves cos this will only damage to the population of the BH.

If you don't want or can't solve the problem, better sell off the BH @ good price and let someone handle the problem as you surely have no future with such harvesting of nests....I would say a waste of good Fong Sui....

Just last month, one BH owner sell a few Kilos of mostly 1 finger nests and what's a shame; so wasteful and his reply was that if he doesn't harvest, someone else will do it for him. Why not try to prevent it rather than to steal your own nests from the rightful owners, the swiftlets themselves.

By doing so, you are just like having cancer and although you may not die now but then, how many years you think you can harvest....3 or 10 years or until most of your old birds die or migrate......they do but seldom and reluctantly, I assure you.

People like me can only give advice but then, your future belong to you and only you alone can help yourself. The saying goes" God only help those who help themselves": and me, not even a fairy but a fellow human being.

Well, Coolandy,

We shall leave the Aroma Challenge to the Aroma Pros.......and in that way, we will seperate the good from the bad.......and the winner still walk away with Rm5K.

As far me, I will continue to post what I see and believe to be the truth and right for all to discuss. I would advice BH owners to have coffee break together and discuss about swiftlets ways and problems and in this way, all will learn from other experaince, mistakes and ideals.

One reader PM me on the subject on sound changes and my advice to him are as follow:

As for consultant telling you to change sound every 4 months is either is that he doesn't understand the reason why well or just to make money from you and I will advice you to use the sound as long as it pulls in the birds. Only change when the sound doesn't excite the new birds which you are hopping for right?? New Birds and not the old faithful ones who will be faithful to you even if you play MC Hammer. Luckily they didn't ask you to renovate your BH; maybe they told you that the birds will get fedup with the old look lah.

My advice is to change when require to and not every 4 months even if it's only 1 months or 1 years. If the sound doesn't work, then it's isn't a good sound even it's been tested well at another location cos' your location's birds maybe different. Like in Rome, don't speak Bahasa. Never look at the price tag of the sound, if it pull in the birds, then it's a good sound otherwise, it's bad even if it cost you a thousand ringgit to buy.

Anyone disagree with me, pls post it here so that we all will learn as even an old man like me also learn; " Live to Old, learn to Old" as the saying goes.

Good, Good but since the post address me than I shall reply to the best of my ability.

Fact 1. New sound draw in the birds but will the birds stay. As you already say that new sound will bring in birds but will reduce very quickly if the sound isn't good at all. Like one famous Blogger wrote in his site that the sound of dying chicks and the smell of broken eggs will instantly bring in birds but they are there to check out and save the chicks if possible. Didn't anyone tell you that once before, a consultant told one newbiz that he can draw in alot of birds and he did so by playing "Distress" sound and he got the job to renovated the BH because the newbiz just saw what is in the sky and he is happy of what he saw...... a super Consultant with a Super sound .......and honestly, the sound was played at the BH for over afew months until no more birds are interested in the sound and the few months old BH is still empty....... Do you know that in one very successful BH, the same sound was used for over 3 years and still strong as we are interested in new birds and not the old ones as I have said earlier. New birds haven't hear your old sound yet so the old sound still sound new to the new birds.....which we are seeking and not the old birds which are forever faithful to us.

Fact 2. When the good is going, why spoil the good running by changing sound. For that, let me tell you a true fact in one of my BHs, I didn't use any sound, internal or external for the past 2 years as I have already plenty of original good sound and till today, that BH's nests are still increasing to my satisfaction. Alot of new nests are observed each time I enter the BH, although I seldom enter unless necessary....so as not to disturb the birds.

Nice of you to share information here. Hopefully, more will join in the forum for discussion of creating a prefect way of maintaining BH. Only thru mutual exchange of ideas and knowledge can we all gain....... also will this forum lasts and of interest to all.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 22 2010, 08:29 PM

Dear All

Wishing you & your loved ones a Blessed Christmas & a Joyful, Peaceful,
Healthy New Year! May the New Year bring with it hope and peace on
earth esp. BH


This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 23 2010, 07:26 PM

Hey, here, someone so generously trying and provide the opportunity to advertise your Aroma....and to prove once and for all that your product is what you label them to be and you still ask for more.

If I am selling Aroma, even if I need to pay to participate, I will participate, unless your Aroma isn't what you preached it to be????? I cannot comment on which is the good Aroma and which isn't cos I didn't try on any of the present marketed Aromas and so our friend, Mr. Coolandy has generously contribute Rm5K to prove you right ( if you are selling the real thing) and to kick the ass of the competitors for selling fake product.

Not that I never use Prefume or Aroma for my BHs but that mine is my own special blended portion and never intended to sell or share........plus it's cheap to make. Market ones are selling a few hundred per bottle and for that price, it surely must work....

Good Aroma do help but not as advertised..........like bees to the queen bee's ??????

Thanks Coolandy.


Not that all recommendations on the sites are bad and some are good and should be commented and praised. Like the Styrofoam, it's really work , better than the fake nests, most sites are selling. By the way, who was the first one that recommended Styrofoam for fake nests, I thank you, Sir....