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post May 19 2010, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ May 19 2010, 04:50 PM)
composition, lighting etc are subjective to me.. hard to measure..
i would just assume the pic taken was in the daylight and in the normal situation not at night or totally out of sight..

i saw his using iso 800.. so i can just assume it's a late evening or early morning then..
how can i measure the sunlight @ that time there..

so those 3 figures would give more benefit for my brain to interpret..

i would just say the result..
can get the similar result with a different ways of path..
i'm not to techy just for hobby..
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hi 8tvt,

the iso800 is triggered,

i. he zoomed to max, let it be 55mm kitlens ot 70mm oldkitlens or 80mm cz, the min shutter speed will not be less then 1/60
ii. as long as the iso can be auto-bump before it maxed out at the default setting (1600 for A550)
iii. orchid hates direct sun whole day, assume its under a big shade, F5.6 is dark under shade.

smile.gif some new info for u to interpret.
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post May 19 2010, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ May 19 2010, 05:18 PM)
under the rain, i use a shower cap taken from hotels laaaaa...

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wow, good idea! why i never think of that??? hahah hotel shower cap is packed so small, easy to carry biggrin.gif
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post May 19 2010, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 19 2010, 05:45 PM)
but the density of sand is definitely higher than air..it will definitely drop back down to the ground...unless there's a sandstorm or a very big win..

so i still dun quite understand how it will get into ur sensor...furthermore with ur lens attached on the body..

unless u changing lens then its another circumstances la.. laugh.gif
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easy way to answer u, everytime u go to the beach and come back, do u felt ur Hair is rougher? that is cause by sand particle...

the word particle is the keyword... its smaller then grain

beach, which has No Tree On the SEA, mean expose to sun, heats up, sea water become vapour+sand particle. add wind,... u get sand particle in ur camera.

(not to screw up everyone, but its actually salt particle, but seem everyone call it sand particle, i follow along...)
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post May 19 2010, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 19 2010, 06:12 PM)
ermmm...how does vaporated sea water contains sand particles?

the sand particles only come from the beach.

if salt then yes la...
i dun quite catch this part.beach is beach.sea is sea.beach usually got trees one..=)

(not to screw anyone up too)
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hahaha, beach connect to sea ma~~ haha, then u ask how can a mroe dense sand particle can be 'flying' then falling down ma, so to explain, sea dont have tree (well sarcasm a bit), so the sun will make sea water into vapour (the reason wind is created too) hence, the wind blow blow till the beach, the wind contact 'salt' from sea water lor...

(i did quote, ppl use the word sand particle instead of salt particle, since everyone use sand particle, (not that i wan to correct anyone...) so i use 'sand particle' too... btw, beach sand contain 80% salt, not soil... hence, its sand partical still a lot of salt, but serious, i hope noone kesi kesi pin point ppl mistake, sendiri understand what we are talking about is good enough smile.gif peaceee)


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QUOTE(lwliam @ May 19 2010, 06:50 PM)
point is, tree, sand, sea, sun, salt... and chicks.. They're all there.. Go and enjoy and shoot... shoot d show us pics.. Everyone happy.. ^^
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most of us shoot beach beach before, some bad experience, some really enjoyed themself. anyhow, i wish ur trip is the great ones smile.gif jsut shoot, i use my kitty too when i go KK islands to shoot, i even walk 10 meter into the sea to shoot my sis and gf playing water... my A300 40k+ shutter and counting smile.gif

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haiyo, i didnt ask u walk into the sea >.< i say i did only ma... LOL!!!


Added on May 19, 2010, 9:52 pmsummore, after KK island, i go mountain area,... the moisture up 100% LOL... more then sea... where got chance to find drybox to put inside... and it was a year ago,... camera still running! biggrin.gif

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post May 19 2010, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(zeipher @ May 19 2010, 10:56 PM)
Hey guys, one quick question to those owning F58 out there. When you put on the stand thingie on your F58, does it comes out easily? Coz mine is quite lose. Dropped my unit because of this.  shocking.gif  Luckily its a short drop, just the height of a 1.5L water bottle and its still working. Also, I can easily take out the stand without pressing the release button. But thats not the case if I mount it onto my can though.
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go RMA, it suppose to 'lock' like putting on camera body hotshoe. sad.gif


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QUOTE(zstan @ May 19 2010, 10:00 PM)
but walk into the sea can take nice pics ma..if low angle even syok laugh.gif ..then u can try william's shower cap method.. brows.gif

yeala..our camera not that fragile la...sony not so easy get bullied one!!! cool2.gif
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i did took some low angle, summore i add CPL, can see inside water brows.gif brows.gif

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post May 20 2010, 12:32 PM

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william: congrats!


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post May 20 2010, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Banzai_san @ May 20 2010, 10:35 PM)
mau tanya sikit..
Im thinking of getting manfrotto 190XPROB + 488RC2 ... Any place recommended for online purchase (since Im in KKinabalu)... ?

Thanks.
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for that, the price, reconsider benro travel angel series, google it and utube it, very poisonessssss... i dislike how manfrotto is over priced because of the brand, quality and durability wise, they are same but benro cheaper.
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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ May 20 2010, 11:20 PM)
I've read the region (generalization) for portraiture. 50mm on cropped sensor would be tight and suited best for shoulder / head shot while the 85mm would be better for half body shoot. But then there's the 30mm where on a cropped body it is similar to 50mm (saw the calculation somewhere). But now most of them suggests to grab both (50 or 30) and 85. sweat.gif . The moolah is there but need to make sure its worth it.

Fisheye on the other hand is a fun lens laugh.gif
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urgg, u are a little misleading my brother.... but that generalization is bad. but u can apply to ur own ideal not everyone will follow.

i use F4 up to F8 on my 50mm for portraiture, half body, headshot and full body. i will do the same with i have 85, but 85 will increase the shallow-ness of the DOF
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QUOTE(noellee69 @ May 20 2010, 11:18 PM)
bro, how to judge the durability is the same? hehehe
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few months back (when i still have plenty of money) i was looking for tripod.. i've always been dislike manfrotto for their overprice stuff :/ one day, a close friend brought one set (all together rm900+ 8kg load max) and i got to play with it, and i am very very very dissapointed at the plasticky feeling of it... it got worst when i start using his 5dmkii (yea he is gearhead, i have plenty rich gearhead friends) and the 8kg load head cant swivel properly, it like 'choke choke' when i tighten lighty the 'friction', loosen a bit, the whole thing loosen up >.<

RM900...what can u do with that money....(i cant even imagine those who brought rm400 manfrotto!)

A-268m8+BH-1 around RM700.. 12 kg limit load, and google the video, u will be surprise. the BH-1, is decent size, and smoother IMHO. but u prepare another rm80-100 for the 'plate' the head dont come with plate.


Added on May 20, 2010, 11:35 pmthe durability also the locking machanism, every 3-4 month, need to check the bolt+nut to tighten it....

benro travel angle? it dont need the screw tighten monthly check... haha google it and u know the poison, and it is water resistant! tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Banzai_san @ May 21 2010, 12:44 AM)
OK... Im considering biggrin.gif

For DSLR + 70200F2.8 lens + VG + flash gun... which benro (tripod + head) should I look at?

FYI,
A550 ~ 599g (without battery)
70200G ~ 1500g (incl tripod mount)
VG-B50AM ~ 290g (without battery)
HVL-F58AM - ~440g (without battery)

Batteries:
NP-FM500H 2 pcs ~ 78g x 2 = 156g (2 pcs)
Eneloop AA 4 pcs ~ 150g (4 pcs) nb: I think should be 15g for 4 pcs... not sure.

Total weight ~ (599 + 1500 + 290 + 440 + 156 + 150)g
               = ~ 3135g  <--- maybe wrong as wrong AA battery weight... but roughly slightly above ~3kg
Hence, which Benro Tripod and Ballhead should I choose? and how much?

Also, can anyone suggest a good seller so that I can order via phone or email or private msg ?

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u see, when u get a tripod/head with 12kg load, not because of tahan the camera gear itself(as if a gear can go up to 12kg, a bag of rice),...
the uses ball head with 12kg load, so u can loosen the friction so u can swivel with ease.... if u have a 3kg gear on 4kg head, when u slang it at 80degree, it will fall itself to 90++ degree even at tighten friction/lock.
as for the tripod load limit, its not about the head+gear,... its about how u wan to stabilize the pod too, by adding weight to the pod, (yes, add weight, not during u carry, when u deploy it) by hooking ur BAG (more heavy then ur gear i believe), hence the 12kg limit~~ wink.gif u wont wan ur 3kg gear on top of the pod making the pod unstable and fall right? wink.gif

i always advise ppl to jump to 12kg load, coz, alang alang u buy 8kg, next time spend money to upgrade summore. tripod is something u can do just 1 time investment instead of repeating investment, pick a right one, it last for generations (seriously,... generations) tongue.gif


Banzai_san, wingster: hahaha CF of coz light lor, but lighter by 30% but spend 2-3 times the amount yo! so comes the next question, does it really worth it? if u goes mountain hiking, yes, coz u will be walking with it for 2-7 hours, lighter better. but, 90% of us here, throw in car bah... LOL!
i aaallmmmoosttt brought this (rm1.8k), CF version of Travel Angel
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lucky didnt, coz it'd burn deep my pocket hahaha, but still, my dream tripod tongue.gif

zeipher: read my reply for banzai san above... why 12kg, or some ppl can settle for 8kg

guys, u have to understand, tripod itself, when u buy those manfrotto or benro, which are designed much lighter then china ones hehe, they are so light, when u mount 2kg stuff at 1 meter height, it will still becomes unstable~ do u wan to risk ur gears??? hence, the 'hook' for u to hook ur bags, but if u bag is 5kg(with all the other toys inside), will u still get a 4kg pod?

if u have the money, straight go for rm600-700 12kg load pod (A-268m8+BH-1 is less then 700 actually) .... there is a reason i like to promote the travel angel series, its compact and nice for ppl like me... i wan to bring my tripod in flight, not check in, 3 of my friend who fly, required to check in their tripod due to too big, and 2 of them vmad.gif vmad.gif coz the airline broke their tripod!

if u dont have the money, and need a pod or something to stable it, u can
i) buy a cheap pod under rm200 for temporary use until u can afford pod like A-268m8+BH-1
ii) get a beanbag, its less then rm20, and u can get 10 of them with rm200 tongue.gif

somehow, i felt like i just shared a gearhead opinion... LOL, but its a humble 2 cent. getting a proper gear is important, but many still survive with what they have in their hand... i am still using my gf's father tripod which is older then me.


Added on May 21, 2010, 2:23 am
QUOTE(albnok @ May 21 2010, 02:04 AM)
ieR: The highlight from the left could be just a bit lower.

cassplayer: Nice uh... green/pink/yellow-casted girl!

Kul | Mo0: Oh man, the blue stripe is pretty, though maybe reminiscent of Olympus Four-Thirds lenses...
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hey albert, hehehe, well, its was a good experience to shoot like that. learn a lot bout how light/flash react at diff angle smile.gif

hey i called u just now for 2 very crazy idea/question i have in my head (u know i have all the hardest to answer question tongue.gif)

i) if i snoot my flash, does the distance increase? or its still the same? (i think it suppose to stay the same right?) just wondering, if i can boost the 105mm flash head zoom to even further distance by adding snot. (of coz a careful designed snoot, wont wan to risk overheating the head... lol)

ii)if i add a 1.4x (or 1.7x) tc to crop lens, and attach to FF. let say tamron 17-50mm, (1.4x) it becomes ~24-70, but, does it works like 24-70FF lens(more or less)? F stop sure will increase by 1 stop, and how will the vigneting be? will it be like crop sensor on 35mm(FF) where the barrel still show up, or it will have FF view without barrel or some minor barrel/vignetting? i mean, the possible of the idea?

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hazril: YUP. ^^; hence, 85mm F1.4 has higher bokeh(shallow dof) then 50mm F1.4


Added on May 21, 2010, 2:54 am
QUOTE(noellee69 @ May 20 2010, 11:46 PM)
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Bro, i think the manfrotto u mentioned is BH problem probably la, since u mentioned tat it choke when try to swivel around.. because the 190XPROB is like batu d woah.. should be lasting for quite some time, IMHO. But my prob with tat tripod is the weight and length.. Tats why i choose 190CXPRO4, working fine smile.gif But yeah, as u mentioned, need to check the screw once a while  sweat.gif
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well, that is the sad part... rm400 BH from manfrotto chokes? =.= might as well get the benro that dont choke right? (dare not to compare with photoclam or arca swiss la... those are like buying aeroplane parts... haha super expensive) but some ppl advise to put rm100 more to go from benro to photoclam (the cheapest is rm5xx i think, with 30kg load if i recall)

*edit: i mean my friends rm400 BH... if size and weight is problem, really, travel angel ^^ ~~ hahaha i spread poison like crazy tongue.gif

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QUOTE(albnok @ May 21 2010, 12:47 PM)
ieR: Snooting, depends - if it's the proper reflective barn door type then you should be getting the wide-angle light going forward. If it's just the straws then you lose light.

Yes, I have used a 1.4x teleconverter with APS-C lenses to get full-frame coverage, at the penalty of 1 stop. No vignetting shows.

hazril: F4 at 50mm and 200mm will have the same DOF at the same distance. It's when you move 4 times further away from the subject, to get the 200mm shot framing the same subject and same size, that DOF becomes deeper on the subject.

You can try this easily - shoot something at close range with the 18mm at F5.6. Do the same at 70mm F5.6 at the same distance. Crop the 18mm to the angle of view of the 70mm and change the resolution of the 70mm shot to match the cropped 18mm shot.

You will find that both have the same DOF. So ieR is not completely correct on this one.

Perspective and scale of the background to foreground is what gives the idea that the 85mm F1.4 has more bokeh than the 50mm F1.4. Due to the narrower angle of view of the 85mm, it enlarges the background more than the 50mm does.
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snoot design, i will do a little study.

and yay for the tc concept! so it does works... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(albnok @ May 21 2010, 12:47 PM)
ieR: Snooting, depends - if it's the proper reflective barn door type then you should be getting the wide-angle light going forward. If it's just the straws then you lose light.

Yes, I have used a 1.4x teleconverter with APS-C lenses to get full-frame coverage, at the penalty of 1 stop. No vignetting shows.

hazril: F4 at 50mm and 200mm will have the same DOF at the same distance. It's when you move 4 times further away from the subject, to get the 200mm shot framing the same subject and same size, that DOF becomes deeper on the subject.

You can try this easily - shoot something at close range with the 18mm at F5.6. Do the same at 70mm F5.6 at the same distance. Crop the 18mm to the angle of view of the 70mm and change the resolution of the 70mm shot to match the cropped 18mm shot.

You will find that both have the same DOF. So ieR is not completely correct on this one.

Perspective and scale of the background to foreground is what gives the idea that the 85mm F1.4 has more bokeh than the 50mm F1.4. Due to the narrower angle of view of the 85mm, it enlarges the background more than the 50mm does.
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opps: now i am confuse, F4 at 18mm same frame with 50mm, will have same DOF? this i really need to try, if like that, then i dont need to zoom to 50 to get bokeh lor? later i do a test... hahaha...

eh, i tested it now, and find out, at zoom, the bokeh is stronger (as in more blurer, because i put text behind the subject, the text is more unreadable at zoom at same F)... i agree the amount of DOF is the same. but bokeh is nicer at zoom? confuse myself... mean, with a longer length zoom, u get nicer bokeh?(then wide angle)

can i conclude the DOF is the same, but bokeh is nicer? i going to test with 18/50/100/200/400mm later... shower first hahahaha
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QUOTE(prazole @ May 22 2010, 06:15 PM)
Hey ppl..
i m going to shoot during a friends wedding next month..
i only got a 50mm1.8 lens & kit lens
i know i need a zoom lens
but which one u guys recommend?
considering i will not spend for >1k
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hello, i am a wedding shooter, i only use kitlens, and it works wonderfully. go online to flips through weddings photo... that way, it gives u idea what to shoot. not which lens to use.
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mike, it snoot the flash, meaning, make the flash fires at tigher angle, hence, it travel futher.
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if u are official photog, go front! well because

1. dinner room always dark
2. ur flash dont really work like charm at pass 100mm zoom's photo.
3. flash preferable if its working distance of 3meter - 8meter, 55-200 let u shoot headshot of 3 meter @55, but wouldnt allow u to shoot group photo.
4. u wont like keep changing of lens
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the wedding common photog setup is,

1st photoG use wide-short tele, or kitlens range
2nd photog use bright lens (28/35/50/85mm)
3rd photog use tele.

so, u get the idea, tele is the last options choice of lens? (the photoG can be replace as 'camera body' if u have 3 bodies)
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QUOTE(albnok @ May 23 2010, 01:08 AM)
ieR: Same framing, different focal length, (therefore, different distance) then you'll have different DOF.

wingster: Perhaps for a model you would not suffer from the effect of shallow DOF on FF - but you'd feel it when shooting crowds!

cassplayer: Thumbs up for always pushing what the kit lens can do before we all forget!

mastering89: Could use deeper DOF even if the background is not as out-of-focus - try it, you'll find it might have a more 3D look because the subject is in focus while the background is flat.

How did you get the SSS mechanism?

Kul | Mo0: Excellent graphic!

fansoption: The flowers are getting too familiar so I was glad to see the ice.

prazole: Lovely edits. I like the dog shot!
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oh? now i think i get it.

same distance, diff zoom length, but same DOF? confuse confuse LOL, but nevermind, wan nicer bokeh, go zoom? tongue.gif haha, btw, would u be free next week end?
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QUOTE(Gouki @ May 24 2010, 05:13 PM)
aiseh~ how much ler? share some sos ler~ dun so stingy for good deals mar~ smile.gif
yeah~ poisoning them to get alpha~ went to Boeing in sg wang~ and the guy bullshit my fren to buy Canon~ say Nikon use sony sensor lar~ sony use canon lens lar~ and canon all done by themself~ then promote how good is the digic processor lar~ doh.gif Then promote 550d kao kao~ then my fren try~ he say~ why so light n cheap feel? especially the scroll~ hard and sound harsh~ lol~ tongue.gif
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canon PNS uses sony sensors too.
canon flash is built by panasonic (same as our alpha flash head)

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