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DarkForXe
post May 7 2010, 02:56 PM

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mo more argument. The correct data is in my hand.


Hokkien 36%
Hakka 21%
Cantonese 19%
Teo Chew 12%

And please bear in mind. Lots of ppl who speak cantonese are hakka. not cantonese ppl. For example, ppl in ipoh.
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post May 7 2010, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Panda @ May 7 2010, 02:59 PM)
I don't get it...

Why most Hakka ppl don't want to speak Hakka language?
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You have to understand the culture of hakka people. Even though they speak cantonese outside their home. They still speak hakka within their family. Because there is a long history behind hakka ppl. They need to fit in to survive. Thats why you find hakka ppl in both fujian and guangdong. It is their way to live with "others".
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post May 7 2010, 04:29 PM

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I can see what will happen in the future is that whatever dialect will become obsolete and only the elder generation will speak dialect. You can see parents are now speaking mandarin and/or english to their kids only. Actually you can observe this easily in Singapore as they banned dialect in media long time ago. Malaysia is just about the same.

There are some other special ancestry group like 龙岩/leng-nga as people who can speak leng-nga dialect are very rare but because they are in fujian, speaking hokkien is also native to them. But lots of leng-nga ppl in malaysia do not know how to speak leng-nga dialect anymore. Another one would be 广西/guang xi

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post May 7 2010, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ May 7 2010, 04:41 PM)
Cantonese is more commonly use in malaysia because of the media. We have MY FM that use cantonese. My dad is hakka and my mom is hokkien. too bad i can only speak cantonese and mandarin because those 2 language are not widely use in KL. Even when i go to JB/SG, i can still use cantonese here as the people here do understand cantonese.
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not really true. You feel that cantonese is more commonly used because you live in either KL, Ipoh and some other place. You have to remember KL is a small place in Malaysia and speaking of "commonly used dialect", you need to have a wider view. To be more exact, there is no single dominant chinese dialect in Malaysia. This depends on which area you are living in.

In SG, it is unlikely for you to find someone who can understand cantonese except when they are actually Malaysian, Hong Kong ppl or some really elder Singaporean. If you speak cantonese in JB, most of them will give you a stare, "har?". Mandarin is now the de facto language used in JB among chinese community due the influence of Singaporean media.
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post May 7 2010, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(calibre2001 @ May 7 2010, 06:46 PM)
Interesting I heard more mandarin in SG 10 years ago amongst youngsters. Today I hear far more English there.
Agree on cantonese and KL part.

On johor bit, it's true that hokkien and teochew look down on own dialect and therefore choose to pass on only mandarin to children. Johor is malaysia's mandarin speaking capital. Melaka is the same.....sad
100% agree.  To summarise

Hokkien-> mandarin speaking
Hokkien -> cantonese speaking (in Klang valley)
Hakka -> Cantonese (in Klang valley and canto speaking areas)

Hokkien and Hakka people not proud of own language?
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Is not about pride or what. Remember most of them speak their own dialect in their home. This is what we call as language assimilation. In penang there are lots of cantonese ppl who do not know how to speak cantonese properly but speak fluent hokkien. As i said, it regional and nothing to do with pride.

Most importantly, nowadays people don't really cares about their ancestry and its language. They care about $ and survival in a remote place.

QUOTE(cheerioet @ May 7 2010, 07:47 PM)
no offence, but i also experience some very rude hokkien people, so, i guess, cant say that all cantonese people lcly and i cant say that all hokkien very rude. so please respect
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This is something funny that people tends to label another bad person based on their appearance, ancestry etc.

If a chinese cheat another non chinese person money, the conman will be labeled as "chinese cheater" instead of conman.

Same to ancestry problem, people tends to label hakka and super stingy, selfish, hokkien as endless greed, cantonese as rude and noisy blah blah blah.

In the end, it is something individual and has nothing to do with our ancestry as a whole
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post May 8 2010, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(calibre2001 @ May 8 2010, 12:47 AM)
Your argument could apply to Hakka speaking cantonese case. What about the case of mandarin? We don;t have actually have a sizaeble stock of mandarin dialect group yet Johor is mandarin speaking. Mandarin is as alien as english when you think about it in a sense that they are official languages

There is the pride factor but it's probably more apparent in more affluent families. To chinese educated people, dialect = low class and mandarin = superior.
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See my earlier comment on mandarin. But i dont really understand your first statement though. Regarding the dialect=lowclass and mandarin=superior. This is happening in taiwan as well. The young taiwanese who dont understand tai yu will discriminate or look down to those who speak tai yu. This is a funny issue and should we blame our chinese education system which discouraged usage of any dialect? (The same thing happened in taiwan education system 20~30 years back when they disapprove usage of dialect in school)

QUOTE(dkk @ May 8 2010, 02:18 AM)
That's what I said.

Poor mom and pop speaks only the vernacular, works hard, send the kids to school. They come home showing the new language they learn and the parents praise them saying they're so smart.

You learn Mandarin in school. Using it shows that you're educated. I cannot read and write, and don't speak Mandarin. When people speak to me in Mandarin and I reply in Hokkien, they know I'm illiterate. If I reply in English instead. They think, "he knows English. Maybe he's not so dumb and uneducated."

It is happening with Malay as well. No matter where you come from, on important occasions like speeches, interviews on TV, etc, you try to use the standard BM we hear on TV. There's a guy on a talk show (TV9 IINM) that speaks with a very pronounced accent (Kedah/Penang I think). One day, my sister was at my home, we had the TV on, and when she saw that, she immediately say "so low class". This was just first impression. But it is what matters.
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Sad but true. Dialects are often regarded as lower class languages. But there is nothing much we can do about it.

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