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post Jul 12 2010, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jul 12 2010, 07:43 AM)
U meant ever and especially right?

quality as in how long they can last? if thats the case they are equal.
Tag u are paying for brand esp with a quartz.
victorinox is more value for $$$.
with mechanical, Tag did put work into it unlike victorinox.
does it mean its better not necessary.
Roger dubuis watches have inhouse movement and cost over US$10K easy.. even some of their high end $100K watches suffer from quality issue.

looking for value for $$ watch, try page 1 post 1.
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hold both in your hands, personally i find Tag head and shoulders above Victorinox in terms of fit and finish. hold a Tag and a Maurice Lacroix or a Ball Hydrocarbon.. then its a different story.

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thoughts? need some input on what you guys think.. or maybe some suggestions.
for some reason I can't find good looking automatic ladies watch below Omega & Rolex pricing.
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post Jul 12 2010, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jul 12 2010, 07:23 PM)
well tsg_7 didn't ask about Fit and Finish just quality.  more expensive watches generally have better finish on the case and at times in the movement.
Fit usually not leaps and bounds apart, Finish I have to agree. getting a watch for daily use, a well finish case/bracelet also get scratches all over after sometime.

anyway, U looking for a ladies quartz watch? they are all quartz.
Tag WAH1210.BA0859 retails ~US$1.5k same as the Longines.
cost concern get the Longines.

ladies auto try Frederique Constant, Mido,  Baume & Mercier (maybe).
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tsg_7 was asking about comparing the quality between the two. fit and finish is a quality. maybe we have different perceptions on *quality* but as far as i know the oxford dictionary agrees with me

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quality |ˈkwälətē|
noun ( pl. -ties)
2 a distinctive attribute or characteristic possessed by someone or something : he shows strong leadership qualities | the plant's aphrodisiac qualities.
ck77: thanks for the heads up. i'll go check it out with the lady... but somehow most of the chicks i know dig Tag Heuer a lot.
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post Jul 14 2010, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Erictdl @ Jul 14 2010, 03:20 PM)
Dear all sifu here which is a better buy for an everyday watch among this 2:

Omega seamaster (with blue luminous) price around 10k
http://www.omegawatches.com/gents/seamaste.../21330424001001


Chopard around RM13K
1000 Miglia GMT Chrono 158992-3001 (black)
http://www.chopard.com/#/en/classicracing/...on/158992-3001/
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not an apples to apples comparison since the Miglia is "racing" inspired and the Seamaster is..well.. sea inspired. should be comparing it to the Speedmaster.. and I'm sure everyone will say the Speedmaster is the better buy, having reach cult watch status.

while Chopard have in house movements, if i am not mistaken this Miglia is based off ETA. and according to this review, the Chopard's front glass is a hybrid of Sapphire on top and Mineral on bottom. checking Chopard's site kinda confirms this since there's no mention of the front crystal being Sapphire, only mention the case back is Sapphire.

personally I'll pass on the Chopard.

as an alternative to the Omega seamaster chrono, may I suggest the Oris TT1 Titan Chronograph
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http://www.oris.ch/collections/collections...=en&modelid=156

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Went and check out the ladies watch today, the Tag Heuer Quartz Aquaracer with MOP dial is very feminine and oozes class.
man the Longines with automatic movements looked like fashion pieces, not exactly suitable for everyday wear. That being said I couldn't find the Longines Conquest w/Ceramic Bezel, anybody seen one in town?
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post Jul 15 2010, 12:41 PM

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Zenith is nice.. provided you avoid the bastardization era of Thierry Nataf.
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post Jul 15 2010, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(ck77 @ Jul 15 2010, 02:20 PM)
Guys, Emotus KLCC is having sales, feel free to check it out.
Zeno - 70%
ML, Ikepod - 60%
Fortis, Hamilton - 50%
and etc

Got 2 units of Fortis Lemania 5100 after discount RM5k+, good pick since is hard to come by nowdays.
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anything interesting for the fairer sex?
is Longines and Tag on sale as well.. ?

and I assume only 1 unit of Fortis Lemania 5100 left right? cause you picked one up rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(yijzen @ Jul 17 2010, 05:26 PM)
the emotus sales until???

all ML are on 60% dsicount?
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Just came back from emotus. Limited selection and while stocks lasts. ML is quite limited range. Fortis has quite a big range available.. I think cause its not a very well known brand here. Lots of Raymond Weil as well.
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post Aug 2 2010, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(beau @ Aug 1 2010, 07:49 AM)
In my mind, a watch should not only tell time but do so reliably & accurately.
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that sounds like a description for Quartz watches.
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post Aug 3 2010, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(ck77 @ Aug 2 2010, 05:44 PM)
Why? Mechanical watch is not reliable and accurate?
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no, just that a Quartz is more reliable and more accurate than a mechanical watch. and its not my opinion.
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a quartz watch is cheaper and more accurate than a mechanical watch. A good mechanical watch can typically be made no more accurate than 2-3 seconds per day. Your typical inexpensive quartz is usually good to 0.5 seconds per day or better.


http://www.timezone.com/library/wwatchfaq/...668591017665598

my personal opinion - if i needed a reliable and accurate time piece, i won't be taking my Carrera, it would be my solar powered Frogman. and if there's no sun and its the end of the world I've got more things to worry about than just my timepiece. lol.


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post Sep 4 2010, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(~Guyver~ @ Sep 2 2010, 03:59 PM)
Juz bak from central park and bought the longines hydroconquest http://www.longines.com/watches/longines-h...t/L3.644.4.56.2 at 3.6k+, i think it pretty good deal since the retailer price @ 6.2k, get around 41% discount. For oris, about 50% discount.
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!@#$ that's a STEAL! beautiful watch and at that price.. unbeatable. did you see any Oris TT1 Diver? at 50% discount I'll definitely pick that up.

its open to public right? can just walk in?

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post Sep 11 2010, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Sep 10 2010, 08:47 PM)
stowa can upgrade to steel. quality wise still win!


Added on September 10, 2010, 8:54 pm

the Miyota in Laco only cost US$30-40, whereas a 7750 would cost ~us$400.
I like Flieger with a swiss/german heart.
I think Laco moving to all swiss.
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stowa hands down. more pedigree..limited production.. only so many they can make a year.
tissot is just mass marketed consumer product.. similar to omega, rolex, tag.. lol.

don't get me wrong though, i own a piece of mass marketed consumer product as well.
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post Sep 30 2010, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Sep 30 2010, 06:47 AM)
not heard of Bonia Tesoro. Fashion brand I presume. Did a quick google on it no idea where its made in.
for rm1.5K I wouldn't go for a fashion house brand other than Cartier/Chanel/Bvlgari/Chopard/Montblanc
go to page 1 post 1, U can find lots of watches in the range of 1.5k
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totally agreed. some people buy watch for fashion, but I think its not worth paying so much for the design/looks or simply for the brand *cough cough B&R cough*
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QUOTE(cloner @ Oct 5 2010, 11:07 PM)
need recommendations & advise as buying my first watch ^^

working in banking  mortgage line... doing sales

prefer leather & black color

budget around 1k

so far had my eyes on below  hmm.gif

http://www.casio.com/products/images/MTP1227E-2AV/xlarge/
http://www.casio.com/products/images/MDV102-1AV/xlarge/
http://www.casio.com/products/images/MDV501-9AV/xlarge/
http://www.thongsia.com.my/content/product...?rid=9&pid=1515
http://www.thongsia.com.my/content/product...?rid=9&pid=1519
http://www.thongsia.com.my/content/product...?rid=9&pid=1514

all comments & feedback from all taiko is most needed...

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Banking mortgage line? I would suggest investing on something like a stowa antea, or maurice lacroix line for the long run. More of a serious watch for serious financial business.. Casio isn't really suitable imho...seiko is alright but its kinda common. The pieces I mentioned would make you stand out from the crowd, & show that you appreciate the finer things in life. Plus if you meet high rollers wearing rolex, iwc, and the likes..you can strike a topic on watches with them, leave an impression and hopefully close the deal. I would avoid common brands like tag or omega for this purpose as its common to the affluent and depending how rich they are it might be of no value to them...whereas a piece like stowa that they've never heard of..you can charm them with the rich history behind it. Always find common interest in the potential client to close the deal right. =) just my personal opinion.
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Oct 17 2010, 12:08 PM)
depends, like Seiko which has Seiko 5 like Fossil to Grand Seiko like Rolex.
Orient has Orient, Orient Star and Royal Orient.
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sadly, to 99% of the people a Seiko is still "just a Seiko", regardless if its Seiko 5 or Grand Seiko. for the investment banker, if the client is wearing a Rolex and you wear a Grand Seiko, and if he's ignorant, to him the GS is no different from a Seiko 5, and because he's the client you can't lecture him on it, nor would he learn to appreciate the GS.

QUOTE(zenhai88 @ Oct 17 2010, 03:37 PM)
recently found Fossil's price is very attractive.
the design is very nice also
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fashion watch, nothing great. buy it if you like the looks but don't spend too much on it.

between the Seiko and the Visodate, I'll take the Visodate, I feel its better value overall for the price. of course, always buy the piece that "speaks to you".
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i'm also on the hunt for a vintage.. a datejust 1603, fluted bezel with a silver roman dial or a silver stick dial..question is..where to find one?

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Nov 29 2010, 02:42 AM)
Jap: orient, citizen, seiko5
Chinese: http://www.alpha-watch.com/, http://store.taowatch.us/


Added on November 29, 2010, 2:45 am

U may have to hunt outside the local store. try forums

saw ppl posting it back in 30 Sept for US$1650
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-rolex-...3-a-455347.html
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=145441&drgn=1
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thanks for the heads up..i wonder where ck77 gets his stash from..
to make the challenge more fun.. i'm looking for one with serial 75*~8*

i looked at the submariner..and there are too many watches like it, or tries to look like it, and its a design that has been beaten to death.. plus i already have a sporty watch.. so imma settle on the Datejust..afterall..its good enough for presidents.. what you think on the datejust vs submariner front? arguably the 2 most popular rolex of all time.

diver's: gshock frogman..
casual: tag carrera chrono
dress: rolex datejust?

a diver i really like is the Oris TT1..it doesn't try to look like the submariner at all.. but the bracelet..omg really cheap.. Tag and Ball's bracelet both disintegrate the Oris bracelet.. this is on the SS model..
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Nov 30 2010, 10:10 PM)
interestingly Oris? show off? a brand that focus on outsourcing cases to far east and keeping profit up.
I would get a Bvlgari or Longines. Tag ya... esp the marketing.

just send my spouse oris to get it service thru AD, it cost me US$350!
oris gasket on the crown is attached it the steam, no way to replace gasket alone, need to replace crown and stem that cost ~US$100.
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wah oris ridiculous pricing for service.. i was interested in Oris TT1 due to its unique shape.. the examples you posted earlier were unique as well but didn't rock my boat..

someone asked about G-Shock right.. i got the Frogman Black Dawn edition.. i wouldn't go diving with any mechanical watch..simply cause G-Shock EL Backlight will kill ANY lume.. even Ball..lol. just and it auto lights up.. big ass buttons and timers to time your dive..
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why i'm seeing boxes of Graham but not a watch?

i think lots of CW owners here because a lot of promotion by a few members here smile.gif not my cup of tea but its definitely value for money.
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QUOTE(Bevan @ Dec 10 2010, 01:50 AM)
Hehe thats cause i fell in love at this Valjoux masterpiece https://shop.laco.de/en/pilot-watch/valjoux-gold.html

Euro$ 190.00 you want me buy quartz meh? Cannot wei.. Lol. Ok serious question. These has been playing on my mind for far too long.
Choose between :

1)Mido Multifort (Black Face)

2)Maurice Lacroix Pontos (Grey Face)

3)Stowa Marine Original Romeon Black

Sorry no pictures. Tried to post for 1 hour already but just cant figure out how to.
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out of that list, I'll choose Maurice Lacroix Pontos.. i like the day-date one..

QUOTE(Prometric @ Dec 10 2010, 11:27 AM)
Thank you, PMed you the price.
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beautiful piece.. i'm curious too.. how much discount you got for it?


QUOTE(yijzen @ Dec 10 2010, 01:44 PM)
you mean ML pontos day date grey dial? i'm getting it for chrismast as well =D
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i am jealous! i think out of all the new mass marketed brands without a rich history & heritage, ML is the most appealing of all. Better than Perrelet with a fabricated history and heritage.. (sorry Perrelet fans, but that watch brand has nothing to do with Mr.Perrelet other than licensing the name)

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Dec 11 2010, 12:34 PM)
no one here really comparing ML to Perrelet (really starts in 1993 and got acquire by Festina in 2004).
moreover for those that get it grey are getting alot of money for their watch. mod ETA 2892 for ~US$1k. I think its not right to say they fabricated a history and heritage, according to wiki it did state Festina acquire the factory that claims to have been in continuous production since the late eighteenth century. pretty sure that is hard to trace, I have to say ya weak link. Wants a history and rich heritage no the brand of choice.

rich history/heritage do not always translate into top quality watches. with ML I only like their masterpiece collection.
I would put the money on Stowa.

anyway: many young brands are making it these days
eg
Roger Dubuis  1995.
Frederique constant 1992.

Gevril maybe another brand like Perrelet, but unlike Perrelet watches isn't that great.


Added on December 11, 2010, 12:36 pm

German-asia watch? u are aware its chinese movement. PTS resources Hangzhou to be exact.

according to WUS U could have got a similar movement on ebay for ~US$100!
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f72/theorema-...ton-366176.html
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i wasn't comparing the brands directly, just howthe new brands position themselves, ML don't try to pretend to have a history and heritage, whereas Perrelet does. as for the wiki about the factory.. well, put it this way, Mr.Perrelet never really assembled and sold any watches under the "Perrelet" name. thats fabrication to me. each to their own.

yes, quality have absolutely nothing to do with history/heritage. that i agree. for me, i think even the ML Pontos range is very solid.. the masterpiece collection.. i don't dig designs. subjective matter again.

stowa, i love the antea..now that's real heritage.. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Dec 15 2010, 07:46 PM)
i'm undecided between IWC Aquatimer Galapagos & Rolex Submariner. A few advised me to get the Submariner but i think it looks more 'mature' which i'm not.
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i think the Submariner is suitable at any age. can never be too young to own a crown. rclxms.gif

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