Thanks sifu ck77 and patryn...

am in dilemma....Sinn is cheaper by USD 100 but the discount by Fortis is massive...almost 50%....

so value for money in terms of price...Fortis

value for money in terms of name/technology...Sinn..


Panerai...i love the design.....simple and attractive...
but Sly and Arnie made them too expensive for me....

This post has been edited by nando: Jul 8 2010, 08:48 PM

You forgot Richemont Group

wow...new Ball to be announced...looks clean and nice...GMT some more....






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Oops.. I didn't put much research into Sinn Tech for that watch..
lets take a 2nd look.

Fortis B-42 Diver Gmt Series Men's Watch 650.10.12M
- ETA 2893-2
- 44mm brushed stainless steel case
- Sapphire crystal with anti-reflective coating on both sides
- Brushed stainless steel bracelet with fold-over deployment clasp with safety latch
- Water / pressure resistant to 200 meters (20 ATM)
- Screwdown see thru case back (mineral Glass)

Sinn 857 UTC Tegimented on Strap
- ETA 2893-2
- 43mm Tegimented case
- Solid case back
- Antimagnetic: 80,000 A/m
- Water / pressure resistant to 200 meters (20 ATM)
- sapphire crystal with anti-reflective coating on both sides.

I have to say given the specs. Fortis is over charging, its not really value for money.
Sinn 857 would be value for money for US$100 cheaper u are getting Antimagnetic and Tegimented case.

what is the Ball GMT model? any specs? U looking at GMT now? giving up on Pwr Res?

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 9 2010, 05:40 AM

Hey watch sifus

Just wondering where to get a Welder watch in Msia?

I like this one



How much do you reckon the price will be?

Thanks in advance

thanks bro..

1. after survey, the Power Res models i like are mostly beyond my budget..so thought of saving longer and get a one a really like

2. yeah, thought GMT will be useful. but not really a major criteria. handphone got Worldmate software, so quite useful there...the Ball is yet to release. Its only found in Bal's official Facebook website. Its called engineer Hydrocarbon magnate GMT....

3. thanks...yeah, looks like Fortis is over charging at bit

collectors time even has more fortis going cheaper....check it out...http://www.collectorstime.com/new-watches.php


what about this one? B-42 Flieger Chrono
nice blue hands and clean white dial...chronograph quite useful (i think..hehehehe)
retail USD 3200 or RM 9000 (checked with a local AD here...that's the best price)
Collectors time is selling at almost 50% of price.....

Fortis B42 Flieger Chronograph Day Date (NIB)
(pics from collectors time and watchuseek)



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guys, i guess you guys have misintepret me, and sorry bout not making my statement clear...
when i said complicated + history, not due to their tech which compare with other big time watch makers...



it just that my personal preference that i like its complicated design(car speedometer)(emphasize on the outlook only) + history of the frogmen used it for war...
nothing much, it just plain personal perference...pls don flame me =.="

i guess everyone reserved the right to like whichever watch they love, despite the tech and engineering adopted in making the timepiece...

hey bro...no apologies la....patryn and ck77 not flaming you...they are just honest watch lovers....you'll learn a lot from them...trust me...from movement to price to best place to buy...i think its just a matter of phrase....to you, complicated is what you explained above ...to them...complicated is what watch lovers term as complications (loads of functions, moonphase, etc...)...

i also still learning....


yes....thats the beauty of watch loving..some emphasize on dial, some on brand, others on history and many on movements....

luckily there's someone understand me(lova ya nando)... i do admit that i admire the dial + how they design for the outlook in details rather than the watch itself...especially when they did something on the crown haha, i'm cheap

i know most of the "real" watch collectors would prefer on the movements, functionality and the materials they used in producing watch :-)

just my 2 cents

there is no such thing making one collector more bona fide than another. people can choose to collect watches for different criteria and these criteria don't make him or her a more 'real' collector than another.

This post has been edited by lanatir: Jul 9 2010, 09:58 AM

No worries Mave[rick], watch purchasing is very personal and subjective. Buy what you like and enjoy wearing.

thx guys...apologies on my naive on the definition of "real" watch collector
well, i guess everyone/anyone is fit into this thread to discuss bout watch isn't it?
here goes, 2 weeks ago i went pavilion with my boss, and he's eagerly wanted to own 1 of the chopard...
he wanted to get an white gold classic instead...but unavailable in the chopard pavi...therefore they recommend another 1 which looks similiar with the 1 he's looking for...

(the one he's looking for is white dial)
but material wise, its only adopt stainless steel for its casing...
and the price on shelves, 19k! and able to get some discount, down to 17k, i was like...wth...17k for a stainless steel yet classic (with no function), does it overprice by high to heaven?
i can't imagine if it really the white gold chopard XPS, how much would that be...

feel free to enlighten me why would it be cost that much for a stainless steel yet classic model...

i have a feeling the sifus here will ask about the movement and comment if its worth it...

This post has been edited by nando: Jul 9 2010, 12:24 PM

Not a sifu nor a 'real' watch collector here, we all are just watch lovers, aren't we

Ok Mave[rick], am not so familiar with Chopard here, but I do believe they are using their own movement. In other words, Chopard is not using the norm ETA movement which 90% of siwss watchmakers are using. Thus, the price is high compared to the rest.

Worth it or not? Well, for each their own.

i can't find any similar with the one i spotted at there, so i adopt the similar 1 instead...
i not sure whether this would fit the specification or not, but nevertheless, it should tell us something

Movement: L.U.C 12.96 self-winding
Power Reserve: approximately 65 hours, L.U.C Twin Technology (two stacked barrels)
Frequency: 4 Hz (28,800 vibrations per hour)
Thickness (movement): 3.30 mm
Balance-spring: flat
Water-resistant up to: 30 metres
Case back: sapphire crystal
Straps: hand-stitched alligator (black or brown)
Certification(s): COSC

only the chopard LUC collection is using inhouse movement.
the rest uses ETA.
the LUC collection does cost more. its pretty normal for a inhouse movement in a steel watch to cost at that kind of price range.

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Added on July 9, 2010, 5:56 pmthats already sold.the diver still around and its for ~us$1390.
I like the blue hands and the white dial design but the 7750 isn't decorated.
I bet its the same grade as my Hamilton. not Top just Elaborated.
Guinand offer a cheaper deal, plus its 7750 is decorated with blue screws.
their series 20 do have blue hands, the color is similar to JLC blue.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 9 2010, 05:56 PM

yeah...sold...collectortime told me sold this morning...when i posted it last night it was still there...

where did U find the Ball Engineer Hydrocarbon Magnate GMT
can post a link?

Engineer Hydrocarbon Magnate GMT

here...if you read here, its new and those Ball fans are waiting for it...original picture is from Ball Watch Facebook..
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=182208&id=72137523923
http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/ori...eh-magnate.html
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.ph...954#post2995709

AboutTime also advertising it as coming soon...at USD2800...not cheap
http://www.abouttime.com/abouttime/ball-watches.invtc.html




but strangely, the Singapore Rolex forum have real life pics...
http://www.sg-roc.com/showthread.php?t=38189
You like it?

This post has been edited by nando: Jul 9 2010, 07:48 PM

wow, ball is getting more and more pricey