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paranoid_tw
post Jan 14 2011, 11:56 PM

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Hi Divas or other nice ppl out thr...i have a min schnauzer 5months old.currently feeding wif go! salmon..bt i stil found out sum small part of dry skin at sum of his body part..y tat???i mean da dog food is subject for skin sensitive prone dog like schnauzer..y i stil found out tat still gt dis prob occured?if nt for min schnauzer which dog food brand i shud go for???
thanks so much!!!
paranoid_tw
post Jan 17 2011, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(suann821 @ Jan 17 2011, 12:03 AM)
hey, why not try out fish4dogs? get the one for puppy. i got the one for adult as bailey's 6 year-old now. it's been almost a week now and i thought it works super with her. she loves the kibbles, i feed it to her twice a day, morning and night, about 3/4 cups each time. small differences i realised from fish4dogs from the other kibbles is that
(1) she now isnt hungry all the time (even though i have not changed her feeding amount)
(2) her poo looks healthy (in my own opinion) and she poos once daily. on other brand, she sometimes skip her poo session by a day!
(3) her poo doesnt stink so badly

the brand she's tried (in order) natural balance > artemis > canidae > addiction > fish4dogs

give the brand a try and if your dog doesnt like it at all, you can exchange it for another brand (at pet safari). smile.gif
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fish4dogs??hw much for tat??laztime da breeder was using eukanuba which i totally dun prefer at all thn i chnge wif go ! salmon stil find out tat gt skin problems for him althou nt tat serious compare to eukanuba time....i actually want to find one ideal food so tat i cn stick wif da brand..pet safari in ikano??oni one type for puppy???
Bsides..hw much shud i feed my min schnauzer???he is 5months old...currently feedin twice...once is about 2 and half teaspoon...i heard all da pets shop tellin me tat 2 teaspoon wil b enuf thn until 8months or 1yr old one meal per day wil b enuf???izit true???

THANKS SO MUCH!!

paranoid_tw
post Jan 17 2011, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Divas @ Jan 17 2011, 09:43 PM)
Sometimes skin issues cannot be fully controlled with diet alone (although a good diet will go a long way to controlling skin issues). Schnauzers (especially ones that aren't bred so carefully) are especially prone to a number of skin issues and are notorious for sensitive skin and allergies.
The food may not be 100% effective because there is still an underlying issue that needs to be resolved (fungus, environmental allergy, hot spots etc). Also it sometimes takes a long time (up to 6months in some cases) for the negative impacts of a not so great food to fully filter out of the system (and so stop affecting the body). It could just be that the initial change in food gave the skin a boost, but the lingering dry skin is just caused by the old food still working its way out of the system.

Some useful things to know to better assess the system include:
What shampoo you use and how often you bath him.
How long you have been feeding the new food.
What the dry skin looks like (is it flaky, red, oily, itchy, broken skin, bumpy).
Where the dogs stays (is it dusty, type of flooring, what the floor is cleaned with, possible access to other animals).
When the dry skin started (and if anything changed at that time, when you brought him home, changed bed, changed shampoo anything new that could cause stress or allergies).

You can try changing food again, but if you found something that made an obvious improvement i would stick with it for at least 4 months to see if there is more improvement to come before switching again.
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currently im using PET ESTHE for bathin my schnauzer...erm once per week and bout 15min each time...da food i chnge for bout 2months n i jx bought go! duck formula which is higher grade recommend by da pet shop ppl.....hopefully it works!
da dry skin is sum part flaky and oso gt tiny red spot..nt oily or bumpy...erm i guess nt reali itchy coz seldom saw my dog gatal..
my dog gt his own dog bed n oso slip inside my room which is tiles floor and wil mop once per week..shud b very clean environment..
da dry skin laztime while using eukanuba by da breeder is started ady..bt after i chnge it act gt bit better la..bt stil gt i tot wil b gone...
bsides is it bcoz i was using frontline spray everyweek for ticks prevention???

and divas,cn i ask hw much shud i feed my dog???he is 5months old..currently feed twice per day and 2 and half teaspoon each time...

THANKS SO MUCH!!!
paranoid_tw
post Jan 18 2011, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(Divas @ Jan 17 2011, 11:04 PM)
Ok in order:
Pet Esthe should be fine. Consider changing if nothing else works just as a test, but i would highly doubt it would cause the problems.
Once per week is fine. Make sure you dry him off really well (you can use a hairdryer but make sure the hot wind doesn't blow too close to the skin as it can burn/irritate.
I would definitely stick with the same food for another 2 months to see if the skin heals fully. If you want to switch after that, you can but at least you know 1 brand which fully clears up his skin in case the problem comes back.
The small red spots sound like hot spots (are they quite spread out like bug bites or more clumped together like a rash?), and the dry flaky skin could just be dandruff or where the skin is healing. Sounds like quite a minor thing at the moment but still best to get it fully cleared up.
The area sounds fine, if you use strong chemical floor cleaners/detergent to clean his bed it could be causing him some irritation but you would most likely see localized irritation from that, usually on the belly, feet and underside of the legs, with very little or none on the back and head (basically only on areas that come in a lot of contact with whatever is causing the irritation).

Random question: why would you buy a puppy who already has skin problems? it is something i come across quite often (well more often that i ever expected when i started out in the pet world), people who would never (for example) buy a car leaky gas tank or a washing machine that only works on one of its settings will happily shell out money for a dog with health issues...

Using the Frontline every week could definitely be adding to the problem. Fontline used very often can irritate and dry out the skin which could be keeping the initial skin problem from fully healing. It is usually only necessary to use once a month (make sure you apply it at least 2 days after AND before bathing). If you find that ticks are still sticking to your dog, try using one of the Spot-on products (Frontline-combo, Advantix, Revolution) for a while (they are easier to apply than the spray) to see if the skin clears up fully (again once a month is usually enough and make sure it is at least 2 days after a bath and 2days before the next one.

As far as amount of food is concerned. Every dog is slightly different. A page or so back (on this thread) is a chart/diagram showing the ideal 'look' for a dog (not too thin and not too fat), in line with that, i always say if you can feel the individual rib bones easily and see the pelvic/hip bones (sticking out above the hips) the dog should eat more, if you can't feel the ribs and your dog has no 'tuck up' (where the body slopes upwards towards the back legs) and has a belly hanging down or a stomach that constantly feels hard and bloated the dog should eat less (or be dewormed or checked for cushings disease). A dog that is the right weight will look heathy, you can feel their ribs but also feel that there is a layer of fat between the ribs and the skin. A healthy (and well fed dog) will have bright/shiny eyes (but not glazed which is a sign of illness) and pink gums.
You can also use your dog's reaction to food as a sign of how much to feed them (although some dogs will act starving no matter how much you give and others will appear disinterested/ full no matter how little they eat). In general, if your dog still begs for more and licks the bowl clean, he might do well with a little more food, if he leaves a few pieces in the bowl or plays with his food towards the end of his meal he could eat less.
What you are feeding sounds about right for your dog, but it can vary greatly from his size (as with a lot of breeds here some dogs are very small and some are very over-sized) and activity level.
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Hi Diva,
1.the red spots is very tiny red spot which is nt clumped together...bt can be found i means around my dog body especially near his belly there.
2. this dog i booked before the breeder have the litter which i totally do not know the condition at all..and this is my 1st dog as well...after having this dog i have lots of experience and definitely will go for puppies which is 2months old in the future.
3. the frontline spray i started to use after i found my dog have ticks after go for grooming and the problems is no more after 1month totally disaster...but still i was keep using it as prevention at all. then i guess i should use once per month.
4. my dog seem always hungry and never get full..he eat his meal so fast which i totally shocked..this is no good rite if eating his meal too fast??
and i heard other breeders and people telling me tat after getting 8months or 1yr old then 1meal per day will do.is it true??

thanks always patiently answer my questions..

 

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