tl; dr version: It's not worth scrimping on the quality of your dog's food, you risk chronic health problems and might end up paying more in vet bills in the long run.

Long version:
@TS: Do a search for the brands you're interested in at Dog Food Analysis to get a general idea. Even for premium brands usually rated among the best of the best like Orijen, Innova etc. don't necessarily suit all dogs for a variety of reasons (dog is allergic to certain kinds of meat/high levels of protein stress the kidneys esp older dogs and could cause shedding etc.). Generally try out brands from the mid to upper range and find out which food suits your dog best (anywhere from 2 weeks to 1 month to see effects).

If you're on a budget Avoderm is acceptable. Some dogs can't take avocado which is in its ingredients list tho, so be careful about that. I've also tried California Natural canned food with good results (cheaper than premium brands by RM2 per can) when I was looking for a good food with lower protein content to suit an elderly dog with kidney issues I'm fostering. Not sure about California Natural kibbles and pricing but they're available at Sea Park pet supplies in SS2.

As for Purina and Eukanuba, personally would never feed either brand to my dogs. Bad bad food with too much grain and additives, plus the company that makes Eukanuba/IAMS is well known for cruelty in animal testing (for the record I don't support PETA and never will, they're hypocritical jackasses but at least their immense publicity budget enables them to highlight animal cruelty cases).

You're probably going to get quite a few people telling you "but I fed my dog XYZ brand dog food (with crappy ingredients and harmful additives) for years and he/she was fine", but bear in mind that 1) Their dog could have been an exceptionally lucky genetic freak of nature (like my bf's first dog he had as a kid, he was fed whatever the family ate including harmful stuff that contained chocolate and lived up to 15 years lol), 2) Their dog was fine for the first few years of its life when it was still young and able to withstand a bad diet - then their digestive systems started failing when they got older/other diet-related problems came up but the owners blamed it on bad genes/other factors, 3) To paraphrase a quote from here: "My dog ate ______ lots of times and was fine, so ______ isn't bad food for dogs." That logic is no better than "My dog runs in the street all the time and has never been hit by a car, so dogs never get hit by cars."

For those who asked about Pedigree/Alpo, what Divas said, it's super mega bad food lol. Basically the human equivalent of eating nothing but Twisties/cheese rings everyday.

I suspect Natural Balance doesn't taste too good so it'll put off fussier dogs. Tried the canned food (Duck and Potato) and my adult mutt and elderly foster dog sniffed then refused to eat it. My neighbour's border collie (also quite picky) didn't want to eat his Natural Balance kibble either. It's supposed to be one of the better brands but my bf's sheltie, my lab pup and foster beagle pup all got really runny poo on it - I wonder what ingredient wreaks havoc with their digestive system! I've heard of other dogs that do well on NB but for some reason it's Kryptonite to all my dogs lol.


Cheers, I actually had to learn the hard way when I got my first dog who was a picky eater His pickiness turned out to be a good thing cos it made me do my own research about proper dog nutrition after he refused to eat rubbish food a vet recommended (Science Plan). Most vets will push Science Plan as they have dealerships with them, it's pretty ironic how a lot of vets here will push inferior food when their profession is dedicated to pet health! I have a vet friend who tells it like it is and frankly wouldn't feed his own dogs stuff that's on the shelves of most vet practices here, which is something to think about.


Science Plan is rubbish IMO. Quite pricey yet full of crap. Vets and pet shops love to recommend it for some reason, maybe the profit margin is high or something lol. It was one of the first brands I tried based on a vet's recommendation, I was ignorant about dog food then and figured if a vet says it's good it should be good right? My dog refused to eat it! My neighbour's border collie was recently recommended Science Plan - and my neighbour was stunned to find ants crawling all over his poop! Makes you wonder what stuff they put in it that a dog isn't able to digest, comes out in poop and attracts ants

Not tried Canidae but the ingredients list is quite good. It should be one of the better foods out there. Whether Canidae will work out better for your dog depends on her dietary needs - what's your main priority? If you're sure that high protein levels is causing "heatiness" in your dog then Canidae might be a better option as most of their food has lower protein compared to Orijen. In general, a high protein diet is great for most dogs and shouldn't cause stress on the organs. A notable exception is when a dog already has a preexisting liver/kidney problem, then you'd go for a diet with less protein which is the case with an elderly dog I'm fostering.

If your main concern is weight gain, then Canidae will actually be more likely to fatten up your dog compared to Orijen as most of their food contains grain. More grain = more carbohydrates. Protein doesn't fatten up dogs, carbs + fat content are what you should be looking at in the ingredients list if you want to figure out how fattening a dog food is. Canidae has two grain-free types of food which look very good (Salmon Meal; All Life Stages) but they're very high protein like Orijen so you might get a similar result. If you feed the Canidae varieties with grain - on one hand there's significantly less protein, on the other there are a lot more carbs.

Here's a nutritional comparison between Orijen and Canidae food (grabbed the ingredients list off Dog Food Analysis) which might help you understand better what I'm talking about:



See how much higher the carb content is in Canidae's Chicken & Rice/Lamb & Rice/Beef & Fish varieties compared to their grain-free types and Orijen's? One possible solution is if you want lower protein content yet don't want your dog to gain a lot of weight, you can try feeding your dog less if you switch to Canidae food with grain (perhaps the Lamb & Rice or Beef & Fish variety which is lower in fat).

@karwaidotnet: I've fed Addiction's canned food with good results for my adult mutt. Bf's sheltie sheds when on it though (hardly sheds when on Innova canned food). For the kibble I've fed the Kangaroo & Apple variety, adult mutt didn't seem to like the taste (he would eat grudginglylah, compared to Orijen where he'll happily eat). Pooped more and shed more. Ingredients-wise I'd rate their canned food really well, the kibble above average. Only fed Addiction kibble once since my mutt didn't like the taste so not sure what the price range is now, but at the time I bought it it cost significantly less than Orijen, Acana and Innova.

Also fed Acana to same dog, can't remember which type I fed but it had grain in it. He pooped a lot more, smellier too. This dog's tolerance for food with grain is especially bad so I just eliminate grain from his diet altogether. Some people's dogs do really well on it though.

Haha likewise, it's always great meeting someone who's really passionate about the wellbeing of their pets! Good to know you find Science Plan's prescription diet for dogs with kidney issues is an exception to their generally crappy food, the elderly dog I'm fostering w kidney issues might have to give that a try if her 2nd blood test results don't improve after a month on medication + reduced protein diet. Really really hope it doesn't come to that as she's quite a picky eater, laaaawd help me if I have to regress to force-feeding her like in the beginning =_=;;

As far as I understand from vet friends and reading up on commercial pet food, the main reason Science Plan/Hill's is so ubiquitous in vet practices is because they've got a lot of sponsorships/dealerships with vet schools (here's a lengthy article which mentions this for those of you interested in reading). The relationship continues when vets open their own practices and hook up with Hill's for lucrative dealerships. Same deal for breeders. I can only guess a lot of local pet shops push Hill's because the profit margin is really good (considering there are other crappy foods they can push but walk into a pet shop, act clueless and ask what's a good quality pet food and chances are the salesperson will direct you to the aisle with those oh so familiar shiny white bags of Science Plan kibble). I've had to shut my mouth often and stop myself from giving shoppers unsolicited advice when I overhear a salesperson tell innocently clueless shopper #214 how great Science Plan is. >_>

And yeah, thankfully there are good vets out there who are honest about what food to get or stock better quality selections. Can really empathise with you on encountering vets who prescribe Science Plan for everything under the sun (ringworm? srsly? lol). Parvo, picky eater, skin problems, mild infection - oh hey here's this really good prescription diet, I'm not going to justify or explain why it's good, trust me I'm a vet! (I'm a bit of a prat when interacting with not-so-great vets and clueless pet shop salespeople, I feign ignorance to see what kind of BS they feed me )


Wow, that really sucks. Orijen isn't made by Natura though. Hill's is owned by Colgate-Palmolive AFAIK.

Anyway P & G's acquisition's still a blow to me, I really like Natura's Innova/EVO/California Natural lines. What happens really depends on how much operational independence Natura retains after the acquisition. AP reported "Procter & Gamble said the acquisition gives it access to the holistic and naturals pet food segment, which will complement its existing Iams and Eukanuba brands." So it looks as if P & G is basically looking to own a line of "good" pet food alongside its crappy IAMS/Eukanuba lines so they've got both segments of the market covered - wouldn't make sense for them to mess with the good thing Natura's already got going.

Currently they claim to perform humane, non-invasive animal testing (@ What type of testing does Natura do?. If P & G's involvement is going to change that or if I see ingredient changes for the worse, adios.

I've actually got quite a bit to talk about regarding interpreting the guaranteed analysis section of dog food labels especially the crude protein content (what you see isn't necessarily what your dog will get) but have to keep this quick as I'm headed out for dinner. Writing this so I'll remember otherwise I'll probably never get to it lololol. Another issue - high protein (>30%) being a problem for your average healthy dog is a myth (my opinion based on experience and supported by research).

If you don't mind me asking, did you get your corgi from a petshop or reputable breeder? Based on the recommendations your vet gave, would he be ok with eating fish, lamb and duck? If so you could try something from Solid Gold's range (I believe they have formulas with fish or lamb) available at Pet Lovers Centre or Evangers (Whitefish and Sweet Potato) which is stocked at Sea Park Pet Supplies in SS2. From their ingredients' list I wouldn't rate their products as particularly spectacular but they are decent-above average depending on which variety. If you're running out of options they're worth a try. Have you tried feeding home cooked food or even BARF or is the prep time involved an issue?

Petsmore outlets stock Innova Puppy and Adult kibbles but the supply is pretty erratic so you might want to call in advance to check to prevent a wasted trip. I see Innova kibbles at Pet Lovers Centre but supply is scarce and infrequent as well. If anyone knows of a place in KL/PJ where Innova kibble is regularly brought in I'd love to know too

As for Artemis, Pet Lovers Centre started carrying almost the whole range recently. I've not tried Artemis kibbles, but I did try out their Chicken & Rice and Lamb & Rice canned food on my adult dogs with poor results (one 3-4 yr old mutt, one old dog w kidney issues) - after eating they produced green (!) sludgy vomit. My bf tried out the same food with his sheltie which resulted in diarrhea and similar green vomit. I can only hope their kibble range is better

@Gavin_TYL: Was at a Petsmore in Desa Park City last weekend, they just brought in a wide range of Go! and Now! products from kibbles to canned food. These are their locations in Cheras, perhaps you can give one of the stores near your area a call to check if they have Go! in stock:
http://www.petsmore.com.my/storelocator.asp#Cheras Area

Bloody expensive food though, a 6lb bag costs over RM80, can't remember exact price. Comparatively, a 5.5lb bag of Orijen (with a more meat-heavy ingredients list = higher cost) retails at RM65. But what I like is that they sell 1lb bags which range from RM14-17 which is a great size for just buying to try out so you don't get stuck with a huge bag of food if your dog hates it

Bought a trial-size pack of Now! Senior Formula to try out with an old spitz with kidney issues I'm fostering. Honestly I'm not too happy with certain ingredients like potato flour (pretty filler-y ingredient) and the kibble doesn't smell anywhere near as good as Orijen but I'm willing to give it a shot to see if a supposedly age-appropriate formula will suit her more. Her previous diet was Orijen kibble for morning meals and California Natural canned food or raw food for evenings - her second blood test results showed great improvement (kidney readings almost normal!) compared to her test results when she first came from being boarded at a vet (not sure what kibble she was fed, guessing probably Science Plan). Her improved kidney readings support research findings that a high protein diet (>30%) doesn't cause kidney issues, in this dog's case it didn't even aggravate her kidney problems, instead the function improved! Only thing I'm not happy about is that she sheds a lot - so I'm in the market for a preferably grain-free lower protein kibble to see if tuning down the protein helps lessen the shedding. Either that or she's allergic to chicken lol, it's a main ingredient in all her meals.

No worries glad for any suggestions that might help! Do you know which vets have the meds you suggested? How much do they cost? She was actually prescribed Fortekor by the vet (a med to improve heart circulation, not kidney-specific - my neighbourhood vet claimed there are no kidney specific meds, translation - they don't stock it lol). The idea was that improved heart circulation would improve blood flow to her kidneys. However when her blood was retested while the kidney readings improved to almost normal (might not even be due to the meds, could be more attributable to her diet), her liver readings which used to be good became elevated! My first instinct was that the stress of the liver processing her meds caused the liver readings to go up but the vet claimed it was unlikely - I then double-checked with a pharmacist who disagreed with the vet and thinks it's likely the meds (incidentally, the meds cost RM270 for 2 months' supply so perhaps the vet had a vested interest in assuring me they didn't affect her liver, hmmmm).

She's been med-free for a couple of weeks and there's been no decline in health or activity levels so I'm hoping a third blood test will confirm that all she needs is a good diet for normal kidney function. However if she does need kidney meds info on where to get the meds would be great, my neighbourhood vet is little help with this unfortunately.

Great vids, thanks for sharing! As an addendum to the lovely ethics of pet food companies that manufacture crap, this landed in my mailbox today:
http://smartdogs.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/...soul-to-purina/
Stay classy Purina

Also the first vid reminded me, wanted to mention how to figure out the guaranteed analysis section of food labels when I posted this eons back (fat lot of good that post did to remind me hahaha, luckily you posted that vid):



Like the guy in the vid mentioned, some dog food companies use cheap fillers which not only save them cost but also bump up the crude protein figures in the nutrient analysis section.The Dog Food Project explains this very well: "Crude" means the content regardless of quality or digestibility, leaving you without any means to determine the true quality of the product from this analysis. A chunk of meat and a handful of ground up feathers are both sources of protein, chicken fat and discarded restaurant grease both provide fat. Which would you rather pay for, but much more important - which would you rather feed your dog day in and day out?

The Dog Food Project page I linked is an excellent read for learning how to interpret food labels, lengthy but worth the time. For those of you concerned about protein content go to the Guaranteed Analysis section of the page where there's a handy guide on how digestible (and hence how much protein your dog is actually able to absorb from a certain ingredient) some common ingredients are:

Egg whites and whey protein 100%
Muscle meats (chicken slightly higher than beef or lamb) 92%
Organ meats (heart, kidney, liver) 90%
Fish, whole soybeans (not leftover fragments!) 75%,
Rice 72%
Oats 66%
Yeast 63%
Wheat 60%
Corn 54%
Note: The above does not refer to the total digestibility of the item, but specifically to the percentage to which the protein part can be utilized.
Various meat and bone meals and byproduct meals range from about 45% to 80%, depending on the content of bone vs. more digestible parts.

So when I look at say, the crude protein content of a pack of Orijen kibble and it says 40%, I'm pretty confident that most of the protein is actually digestible since the main ingredients used are quality meats. Whereas crappy brand ABC which displays a crude protein content of say 25% but is filled with mostly corn and wheat? Your dog is probably absorbing a much lower protein percentage than 25% because most of the protein is not digestible. Scary isn't it? So the important thing to remember is: Don't just look at the crude nutrient figures - it's also important to account for the type of ingredients used and figure out from there how much actual protein is usable by your dog.

As for the high protein = bad for dogs myth, this article explains things pretty well: http://www.thepetcenter.com/article.aspx?id=3408
For those who want to read the actual studies that dispel the high protein myth, Orijen links them: http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/orijen/highProtein.aspx

In terms of own experience, my dogs are on high protein diets. Healthy and very active buggers. An old spitz I'm fostering with kidney issues that's on the higher side of protein (separate meals of kibbles with protein content ranging from 30-40% and raw diet) actually showed improvement in kidney readings. If your dogs aren't active like mine, feed less or go for a moderate protein diet to be safe.


Thanks for the price estimate! nezumitaro who suggested Azodyl was kind enough to PM me a vet in Selangor who stocks it. This spitz is fortunately pretty good when it comes to feeding meds, obedient and takes them without complaint. I'll find out during her next blood test if she still needs kidney meds or if a quality diet has sorted her out. I'd rather avoid Hill's as most of their food is really bad. Looked for a lower protein diet to be safe so I switched her to Now! Grain Free Senior Formula for a while then noticed her ears had a lot more waxy discharge than usual, not sure if it was related to the food. She's now on Evanger's Chicken and Rice (almost a month now I think) and she seems to be shedding less compared to when she was on Orijen/Now! and ears are back to normal. In the past 2 weeks she started running and jumping when excited which made me so happy, the first vet she saw said she had a hip problem and would probably spend her life just walking around slowly but she proved him wrong

This post has been edited by byaku-chan: Jul 20 2010, 12:29 PM

I got TotW samples (the Pacific Stream variety) from HappieNJovie (the shop is located at Centrepoint, Bandar Utama if anyone wants to try out TotW). The samples were enough for two meals for two dogs in my case (fed to my adult mutt and an elderly spitz foster). They seemed to like the taste and stools were quite solid (though a bit softer than usual stools for both dogs - adult mutt is on Orijen Turkey & Chicken variety, elderly spitz is on Evanger's Chicken & Rice, the slightly softer stools might just be a food adjustment issue as I gave them TotW immediately, no gradual mixing). Can't tell the effect of the food based on just samples so I intend to buy a bag and see how the two dogs do on it after a few weeks. Have to agree about Orijen getting more and more expensive which is part of the reason I'm considering switching to TotW for the adult dogs. If both do well on it at least I can use one food for 2 dogs and Orijen Puppy for my lab, otherwise 3 diff brands for 3 diff dogs is a bit of a headache

I think if you're concerned about overly high protein levels TotW would be a good option as it's grain-free like Orijen but has lower protein. It seems like the perfect option for my spitz foster with kidney issues (her current Evanger's diet is moderate protein but has grain which isn't ideal IMO). Will check back once my dogs have been on TotW for a while, if you put your GSD on it I'd be interested to know the results too

Thanks for your feedback! Good sign that your boy who's a picky eater likes the kibbles. Which type did you give him? Just bought a bag of the Roasted Wild Fowl variety for my adult dogs since they're used to turkey/chicken ingredients from their current kibbles. Will feedback on results.

As for nutritional needs, for me it's more important to assess in terms of the dog's individual activity level/health concerns etc. rather than generalising by life stages. For example here's my thought process when choosing food for my dogs: I read the nutritional analysis and assess the quality of the ingredients. Then I think about my dogs' lifestyles, health issues/concerns for a particular dog etc. I'd rather keep my year-old lab on Orijen Puppy because it has glucosamine and chondroitin considering hip dysplasia is a common concern for dogs of his size. TotW doesn't have those supplements in its food, and I'm not too worried about the high protein in Orijen since my lab is an active dog. There's a roughly 10% (crude) protein difference between Orijen and TotW and I'm not too worried about what this means for my adult mutt as he and the lab get raw food for evening meals often which will balance things out for him. He's active, but not as rambunctious as my lab so the slightly lower protein should work fine for him in theory. Then I have to think about my old spitz foster with kidney issues - her ideal diet would be a moderate protein one with high quality protein sources (bad/indigestible protein sources will just stress her kidneys after all) and preferably no grain as she doesn't need the extra carbs/potential allergens with her low activity level/tendency to shed.

In your boy's case I guess the important thing to consider would be activity level and his size (GSDs especially locally bred ones are especially prone to HD right?). If he really likes TotW and you're concerned about nutritional needs you can always supplement his diet with whatever you think is lacking (with advice from a trusted vet or good GSD breeder).


These are the RRPs according to an ad in PETSTER mag:

Pacific Stream Canine Formula with Smoked Salmon: 2.27kg RM60 / 6.81kg RM151 / 13.63kg RM248

Wetlands Canine Formula with Roasted Wild Fowl: 2.27kg RM50 / 6.81kg RM128 / 13.63kg RM225

They're also having a promo while stocks last where you get free 500g / 1kg / 1.5kg depending on which size you buy. Depending on which retailer you buy from you can get 5-10% off the RRP too.

You're welcome Divas, good luck with the imminent litter! Puppies are so cute, aaah :love:

The TotW ad in Petster Mag lists the distributor info as:

Gillchal Sdn. Bhd.
Tel: 03-61572297
7, Jalan U9/8, Taman Sri Buluh, 47000 Sungai Buloh, Selangor.

The standard 8oz measuring cup you use for baking/cooking, something like this:
http://www.restaurantsource.com/FetchImage...dth_300x300.jpg

But in my experience most feeding guides on dog food labels are a bit more than necessary (especially if you have a dog that isn't very active). Best way to find out is to feed according to guides first, then adjust if you see your dog gaining/losing more weight than is appropriate

'Grats on your new puppy You should have ideally gotten your pup at 8 weeks of age, 7 weeks is a bit early - sadly I find it's the norm for breeders/petshops here to disregard the importance of adequate socialisation of the pup with mom/littermates for up to at least 8 weeks. Anyway, hope there's no harm done, he should be fine if you're a dedicated owner Back to the issues at hand: For toilet training it's best to set aside a few days to basically do nothing but watch over your pup so you can guide him to the potty spot whenever he looks like he's going to go. Basically the idea is to set him up for success (i.e. if you're usually around to show him where to pee/poo then praise, the faster he'll get it), rather than taking him out at allocated times then being disappointed when accidents occur. Of course this isn't always possible if you have work/study commitments (which is why IMO when you get a pup it's a good idea to get it on a Fri night/early Sat so you at least have the weekend to focus on potty training). It's normal for young pups to poo 4-6 times a day so sometimes accidents do occur if you can't be around. As for the poo the food might not suit him if it tends to be watery, or he could just have a sensitive stomach which would make it all the more important to get him on decent food.

Fish is usually recommended for skin/coat benefits but bear in mind just like how some dogs are allergic to chicken, there are dogs who are allergic to fish as well (incidentally, beef is the meat that most commonly triggers allergies in dogs - one of my dogs is in that unhappy majority). So it's up to you as the owner to see how your pup reacts to different types of ingredients. For example I discovered my labrador gets the runs when fed too much potato (sometimes we have extra wedges, chips etc. and I'd give him a small handful - within half an hour there'll be runny poop on the lawn lol), so I keep this in mind when reading the ingredients list of dog food (potato is fine, as long as it doesn't make up a major portion of the ingredients). Grain which makes up the bulk of ingredients of many dog kibbles is not recommended for dogs as it's not a necessary part of their diet, but some dogs have better tolerance of grain than others, plus some grains are better digested than others (most dogs do OK with brown rice, not so much with corn).

If you can find the time to read and learn about dog food in a bit more detail, I highly recommend taking a look at The Dog Food Project. Very comprehensive and a good place to start. In general you want a food that has more meat than grain (my personal preference is grainless) and the meat should be named meat sources (i.e. chicken, fish as opposed to "meat and bone meal" which could well include roadkill and euthanised animals, ick). For a list of ingredients to avoid go here.

As for the list of food you're considering, I can only share what I've seen. I've cared for dogs on Royal Canin food (pet-sitting for other people) and have never seen good results. One beagle came to me overweight, lacklustre coat with runny, goopy-looking stools and mealtimes were difficult as she just wasn't very interested in the food. Owner switched her to Orijen and was impressed with the effect on her coat (softer and shinier) and her stools looked much better. Currently have an Irish setter boarding with me on Royal Canin (this variety) and it has some of the worst ingredients I've ever seen. She's extremely underweight (owner says not interested in food, am not surprised), has excessive mucous-y eye discharge which requires weekly treatment, dry and flaky skin and immediately after she eats, she goes into a scratching frenzy - probably an allergic reaction to the food. The only good thing she has going for her is a shiny coat - which could be attributed more to her cooked chicken meat dinners. Trying to convince the owner to switch to a better food, sigh.

Of the food on your list Acana has the best ingredients which is reflected in the price (yikes, didn't know it cost that much!). Took a look at the Nutri-edge ingredients and they are ok if you're on a budget. Natural Balance - supposed to be among the better range of kibbles but none of my dogs have done well on it (diarrhea) but I've heard of other dogs that have done great with it. As for Eukanuba I'd never buy that brand or IAMS on principle due to their cruel animal testing practices (their kibbles are crap anyway).

As for recs I'm hesitant to push specific brands over others since food can be a very individual thing. There's no magic kibble that will suit all dogs simply because it gets lots of rave reviews etc. A general place to start would be to look at better rated kibbles (try here and here for guides. After that it's basically trial and error - find out what food your dog digests well, if any gives him allergies/diarrhea, observe his skin/coat/breath/muscle tone etc If you're pressed for ideas, there's a GSD owner a few pages back whose dog is on Taste of the Wild with positive results - maybe you can contact him and ask if his dog is still doing well on the food

I've seen the Fish4Dogs range at Pet Lovers Centre but not tried it. The ingredients look good in theory though (mostly meat, no grain, mid-level protein percentage which should suit most dogs). Fish oil is great for skin and coat among other things - I supplement my dogs' diet with fish oil if their main diet lacks it. Let us know how your dog does on this kibble

Hi Calvin, I don't know of any place which sells Wellness. But for Evo, the grainless chicken and turkey canned food retails for about RM10/can. You can get Evo canned food at: Seapark Pet Supplies, Uptown Pet Centre at Damansara Utama, Petsmore outlets and Pet Lover Centre outlets (PLC sometimes runs out of stock though).

For Evo chicken and turkey dry food I got the 13kg bag at Seapark Pet Supplies a few weeks ago at er ... can't remember if it was RM218 or RM228 after discount. They had the variety with grain also which should be cheaper but don't know the price.

Uptown Pet Centre and Petsmore sell smaller bags of the turkey and chicken small bites if that's what you're looking for, not seen 6/13kg bags though. Hope this helps!

EDIT: Sunway Pyramid has a Pet Lovers Centre at the lower ground floor opposite Giant, they occasionally stock Evo canned food and more seldomly small bags of Evo dry food.

This post has been edited by byaku-chan: Jan 29 2011, 01:37 AM

Best price I've found so far for Innova is Sea Park Pet Supplies in SS2. Since you have a golden buying the big pack would make most sense. Slightly under RM210 after discount IIRC (10% off if you ask). When my 2 boys (med size mutt of some sort of hound mix / labrador) went through 2 big bags of the chicken and turkey grain free variety they had good muscle tone and good poop, but I found my lab started getting tartar on the back of his teeth (his chompers were pristine for 2 years prior to this). Your mileage may vary

You can also find Innova at most Petsmore and Pet Lovers Centre outlets if location convenience is a factor (personally I try to buy from pet stores that don't sell livestock for ethical reasons).

I actually meant their EVO range sorry (Innova contains grain, EVO is grain-free, both made by Natura). 13kg bag for RM210-238 depending where you buy. If it's the Innova range should be cheaper due to lower meat content.

I find with high meat/protein content food I feed significantly less, my 28-30kg lab eats half the amount my friend's similarly sized dog consumes on Pro Plan. No issues feeding high protein that some people get worried about without actually trying it on their (healthy) dogs or reading studies debunking the high protein = bad myth first, my 2 dogs on 30%+ protein diets have perfect blood work (again, your mileage may vary). If your dog has kidney issues then avoid high protein foods.