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lamode
post Apr 25 2010, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(jefferey @ Apr 25 2010, 12:28 AM)
yes... but not by disclosing it to other bank as this is a PnC docs...  biggrin.gif
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how the customer would like to use the letter offer is another story, it has nothing to do with the fact that the bank refuse to give the customer to take a copy of letter offer. that is against consumer rights. even if the customer intention is compare with other offers, the bank should only take action when they have evidence that the customer took the offer letter to other banks.

to TS, if you really want the letter offer, then you try to ask them nicely again, tell them you know your rights, if still no go then request to speak to branch manager / manager in charge.

if all failed, ask for a black and white or record the conversation and file a complain against them to bank negara and FMB.
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post Apr 25 2010, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Apr 25 2010, 10:42 AM)
if a bank offers you offer letter you can take a copy of it home, sit on, smoke it, take it to another bank or do whatever you d*mn well please. you can get it checked by an independant lawyer, discuss it with friends, advisors or check with a competing bank etc. it's your right to do so. it is afterall a letter from the bank to you. you do not need to just listen to the obviously biased bank. who in his right mind would enter a contract or an agreement to engage into a contract just like that? that's pretty insane.

i ran into an rhb bank officer who tried to refuse me the letter. a simple check with BNM complaints unit and i was told it's a letter addressed to me from the bank and i can take a copy anytime i want anywhere i want. i told RHB and got the letter immediately. BNM is extremely active on such complaints and i have filed a few against several banks in the past. just because banks feel they can act like they own the consumer doesnt mean its true. its the other way around. our interest charges are paying their salary - so they should treat the consumer better. they just dont, because people like be quiet and take it. personally i recommend to always make a lot of noise to let them know this behaviour doesnt work anymore. call the banks complaints department. they dont want to solve the issue at once (i.e. within say 1 hour or so) for you then call up BNM also. i found this course of action very very effective when handling banks and insurances.
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well very said... had similar experience before thumbup.gif


Added on April 25, 2010, 11:58 am
QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 25 2010, 08:55 AM)
Ur answers are simply amusing.

1) U're confused about consumer rights. CR doesn't grant you the right to take bank's P&C document home with you.

2) So what course of action can the bank take against the customer? And why would the bank want to waste precious resources when the whole thing can be prevented in the 1st place?

3) C'mon, Bank Negara has more important things on hand than to entertain a complaint against a norm practice in the industry.
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1. that is an offer letter to me, why can't i take it home? i am not asking to take somebody's else offer letter. its like payslip is P&C thing, but i can get MY payslip / copy of payslip anytime from HR i wan, same things go to EFP statement, bank statement, tax statement etc etc...
2. if things are to be prevented, i would say first thing is prevent borrowing money to people or issuing credit card so prevent people can not afford to pay back. in that case they might also wan to prevent from kena rob, so close the bank would be the best.
3. they do have a dedicated department to deal with this kind of issue, their action is faster and efficient than you tot.

all of above are said from real exp, i used to work in a IT department for a very large SG bank in MY.

This post has been edited by lamode: Apr 25 2010, 12:01 PM
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post Apr 25 2010, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 25 2010, 12:42 PM)
For the benefit of the members here.

What kind of action can the bank take, if let say you take the offer letter, never return it or return it refusing the offer, head to another bank, got a slightly better offer & sign up there?


Oh, as for the phrases in bold. That's why they got Legal Dept, Panels of Lawyer, Recovery Dept, Security & Insurance.
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i said that because you mention it would be waste of resource, hence they dun give the offer letter to customer. but since they have legal department and other manpower within the organization then they shouldn't avoid customer to take the offer letter.

to answer your bold part, u said OL is a bank's P&C doc, then the bank can sue customer for leaking bank's P&C document to other parties, but i don't think this is the case.
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post Apr 26 2010, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 25 2010, 06:33 PM)
U may had worked in the IT Dept of a Bank, but I guess you don't have much of a clue regarding the admin part.

It's bcos the bank can't do much, if a potential borrower take the OL to another bank & didn't return. So? Scramble the legal dept, lawyers to take action? That's a f**king waste of the organization's resources (human, time, effort). And what remedy should the Bank seek? Lost of papers? Thus, in that case, why let it happen in the 1st place?

"It's bcos the bank can't do much, if a potential borrower take the OL to another bank & didn't return. So? Scramble the legal dept, lawyers to take action? That's a f**king waste of the organization's resources (human, time, effort). And what remedy should the Bank seek? Lost of papers?"

that is because you said its a P&C things and the bank shouldn't simply let customer take it home, if it is as important as you said, why not?
if it is not so important why bother whether customer wan to take home or not. and there is no waste of resources in here, no matter you sign up with the bank or not, the hardcopy already printed and in there.

you dun tell me they let you read the softcopy on their screen, once you confirm wanna sign then they only print out.


you said they have Recovery Dept, Security & Insurance to prevent getting rob or stuff like that, the reason they have admin kind of departments is because its necessary for customer to take the LO home if they wish, and that is why those departments are there. if it is too much work or waste of resource, then they might just close shop, giving LO / wasting LO is inevitable. its like you gonna run a business, but you never give black and white quotation to customer. how funny...

no offense to cheahcw2003, in fact, the bank with yellow tiger logo deserve that cuz they choose the hardway themselves.. so now do you think everyone has to do like what he did to get the LO home? wouldn't it be easier / more efficient / less trouble than just giving customer the offer letter?


Added on April 26, 2010, 12:13 pm
QUOTE(scorgio @ Apr 25 2010, 10:04 PM)
Possibility of info leakage is part of it.
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and i will say it for one final time, there is not much of reason they keep it as world class top secret, simply because it is not as other banks already has that info on hands.

taking a quotation from company A to company B for a better offer is very common, it happens every second in the business world.

This post has been edited by lamode: Apr 27 2010, 10:51 AM

 

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